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Defining "clean eating" to me is simple. If you are following the Clean Eating program designed by Alejandro Junger, you are eating clean and you fell into a fad. If you are not following his program to the letter, you are not eating clean.
But, what if you're following Eat Clean by Tosca Reno? :laugh:
I give up. I refuse to use the term and from here on in, I refuse to discuss it. It is one of those terms that grates on me like nails on a chalkboard.0 -
You are exceedingly passive aggressive and 100% dedicated to your false "everyone is attacking me because I have an opinion" story.
It shows when you said that you "weren't going anywhere (even though some want that)". I paraphrase, of course...as I don't find that dreck worth quoting. You should be aware that this kind of behavior calls your claims of professionalism into question in every way possible.
You may not have outright said you were an expert, but you sure did teeter right on the edge of doing so. I cannot imagine how utterly condescending you are to clientele who disagree with you. I can't decide whether I want to ignore your insanity or watch your train derail off a cliff every time you hear a dissenting opinion.
This is YOUR thread that YOU started. YOU were making claims that people were attacking YOU. The onus to prove that is on YOU. YOUR words and YOUR continued outlandish behavior drew criticism from others. I saw the behavior of others: there was no name calling, no immature use of purposely misspelled words and emoji, no constant "lol" in the middle of thinly veiled insults, no logical failures and no calls for you to leave. If anyone had done any of that, I would've said so. I saw frustration and annoyance on the part of those who attempted to reason with you, not ill will.
In short, this is YOUR doing. I pointed out where things went wrong, and all you could possibly take away from it was that I didn't tell people who were politely disagreeing with you that they were "bullying" you?
I will not disrespect you, but I will not coddle you either. If dissent on an internet message board is "bullying", I cringe to think how impossible real life interactions with you are.
This is the point where you'll post some attempt at wit, throw in a bunch of "lols" and emoji, talk about how funny this all is and how people are mean and blah blah blah. Save it. Your projection is dull and I won't engage in it anymore. I wish you luck, but most of all I wish you clarity and a less easily bruised ego.
It's all a pack of cards, Alice.0 -
I feel like this could have gone in a completely different way, had OP not used the word clean.
Moderation. Now, that's something I can get behind.
For me it would have went differently if the OP didn't constantly equate healthy to clean in her prior posts and implying that anything that isn't clean is unhealthy or even just not healthy. I happen to think that someone could eat 100% unclean and still be just as healthy if they ate 100% clean.
Indeed.
OP did not *misspeak* in her assertion about "clean" eating. OP simply has an opinion that eating 100% "clean" is superior in re health to eating <100% "clean"...or said another way, that all else being equal the "cleaner" one eats, the "healthier" they will be.
In her defense, she certainly isn't the only one with this incorrect belief.
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:noway: That was not the post I was referring to... it was before that. But thank you for the lecture. :drinker:
And again... this is a message board and I take it as such. I am NOT worried about being "Scoffed at by those who saw this and see what you are about" I have legitimate tips and advice regarding fitness and health. I have made other comments on other posts and have had no negativity yet (Though I'm sure some of you are jumping at the chance :laugh: ). As I stated in a previous post. I had NO IDEA that "clean" was a buzzword. I have never heard that before until I came on here. I also stated above that I won't use it and be more careful which terms I use to make a point (even if that was NOT the point in the first place).
Your welcome, I typically pull out my mom voice when running into people who are acting like teenagers who have read the book of all...can't help it I have one at home.
As for your others posts do you mean on your "other" profile because on this profile you have 2 posts...this one you started and one you commented on about how people lose weight differently in which you didn't spout nonsense.That is the point I was trying to make. It is a simple word that SOME people use to generally mean healthy food. The word "healthy" can ALSO have multiple meanings since healthy means different things to different people. It's just a simple word to use to describe natural foods. It does NOT mean that all unnatural foods are dirty or unhealthy. Thank you for reading the post the way it was meant and not reading into something I never intended to. Unfortunately, reading things on the internet can easily be misconstrued and for that I do not blame others for disagreeing with that term. I do however disagree with those who got rude about it though to try and make a point... when we were pretty much saying the same thing. Once I explained that I did not mean it as a 100% thing, I would have thought they would back off. Persistence is key I guess. Thanks for your reply!
As for this...then that's the point you should have made...I read the words and take them for their meaning in context. We can't read minds and know what you "intended" we can only go by what is typed out and that doesn't mean it was misconstrued...
because even now you are spouting about "eating clean" even if it's 80% of the time which is well...what you just aren't getting.
There is no clean or dirty, no natural or unnatural food...it's all fuel and can be used for various things. Pizza is a good fuel, lean chicken breast is good fuel, heck a donut is good fuel and the fiber1 peanut butter brownie I am about to eat is good fuel...
So since persistence is key get this...clean eating and exercise is not the key to weight loss, eating in a calorie deficit is, eating nutrient dense foods and exercise is for health and you can still be fat eating "clean" and "exercising" if you are not in a calorie deficit
Well... sorry but I am going to completely disagree with you. I agree that I should have been more cautious with the chosen word and described myself better. So in that aspect you are right. But if you honestly tell me that health and losing weight is ONLY about being in a calorie deficit and you basically stated that ALL calories are created equal then I COMPLETELY utterly disagree. That is like telling people they can eat 2 donuts a day but since they are under their calorie amount they will lose weight. :noway: Anorexics lose weight because they obviously are in a calorie deficit. Does that make them healthy? Healthy does NOT always mean being in a calorie deficit. And YES a calorie is a calorie and to lose weight one must burn 3500. I get it. But some calories are "empty" and pose no nutritional value to help the cells in your body burn fat, metabolize food, and maintain muscle. Do you honestly believe that a slice of pizza is as healthy as a chicken breast? Is pizza a demon? NO... and people should be able to ENJOY pizza. But if your sake of argument is that to be healthy and lose weight, a person only has to eat less calories... then you are way off base.
Yes, a person can eat two donuts a day, be healthy, and lose weight if they are in a calorie deficit. Some people can even do it while also hitting their RDA for micronutrients and manage to hit all their macros. It all depends on your TDEE.
ETA: Take a look at the diet of Olympic athletes. Michael Phelps had an extremely high calorie requirement, openly admitted to eating fast food regularly, and he won how many medals? Are we going to call him unhealthy?
:noway: When I said about the eating two donuts a day... I was saying ONLY 2 donuts a day... So even though they are under their calorie allotment, they aren't getting their other nutrients so it is not considered healthy. If someone is getting there nutrients and under calories, then it would be different. Not everything is just about calories (Yes I know that to burn 1 lb of fat you need to burn 3500 calories) , there are also fats, carbs, sodium, protein etc that can change the shape of your body. It isn't all just about calories in vs. calories out if you care about overall health rather than just weight loss. For example: Muscle needs protein to rebuild and strengthen. 2 Donuts alone per day might equal say 1000 calories (just picking a number here) so while you may lose "weight" since you are under calories, you are still putting fatty foods in your body which affects glycogen, blood sugar, insulin,etc which all in turn can be stored as fat rather than energy. Its not so simple as just monitoring calories. I wouldn't want people to focus just on getting skinny or losing weight, but rather learning about portions, healthy whole foods, exercise, strength training etc.. Let's focus on feeling GOOD! :happy:
Yeah, I wasn't talking about it from the perspective of only two donuts a day, because that's an extreme and unrealistic example. Although I imagine they would be about as healthy as the person who only eats 1000 calories of broccoli a day. And I do understand about macros and micros, which is why I said due to TDEE there are people who can fits two donuts into their day on top of all the other food they are eating and still hit all their macros/micros and be healthy.
And no, eating fatty foods in a deficit will not cause those foods to be stored as fat due to glycogen, insulin, glucose levels, or any other reason with the exception of a medical condition. Fat storage comes from eating more calories than you burn, no matter where the calories come from.0 -
I looked at OP's history. Not once in the midst of all this, did she attempt to help anyone else on any of the numerous cleanse,fad, weight loss pill threads that came and went on the main board. She wants to help people so much with her expert advice. Right.0
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Any other day I would probably just let this thread die, but I'm on cold medicine today and the OP has rubbed me the wrong way. So, as this thread comes to an end, let's review some of the things the OP has said about us all, shall we? It's like a beautiful little snark poem:My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word!
They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad:
So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick:
its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response.
I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject.
I really figured with age people would grow out of mockery
Do you really listen/read what some of you are writing?
Right now all I hear is blah blah blah since so many of you are arguing and knit picking every little thing.
Ohhh I get it... YOU all are the experts... OOPS My bad lol. :::eye roll:::
Thank you for not just "attacking" like the herd and actually putting thought into your post even if we might have some disagreements on the content.
And now I'm due for another dose and a nap.0 -
Defining "clean eating" to me is simple. If you are following the Clean Eating program designed by Alejandro Junger, you are eating clean and you fell into a fad. If you are not following his program to the letter, you are not eating clean.
But, what if you're following Eat Clean by Tosca Reno? :laugh:
Heh. In one of the prior versions of this discussion I tried to figure out who coined the term and came up with her. Who can answer this important question?0 -
You are exceedingly passive aggressive and 100% dedicated to your false "everyone is attacking me because I have an opinion" story.
It shows when you said that you "weren't going anywhere (even though some want that)". I paraphrase, of course...as I don't find that dreck worth quoting. You should be aware that this kind of behavior calls your claims of professionalism into question in every way possible.
You may not have outright said you were an expert, but you sure did teeter right on the edge of doing so. I cannot imagine how utterly condescending you are to clientele who disagree with you. I can't decide whether I want to ignore your insanity or watch your train derail off a cliff every time you hear a dissenting opinion.
This is YOUR thread that YOU started. YOU were making claims that people were attacking YOU. The onus to prove that is on YOU. YOUR words and YOUR continued outlandish behavior drew criticism from others. I saw the behavior of others: there was no name calling, no immature use of purposely misspelled words and emoji, no constant "lol" in the middle of thinly veiled insults, no logical failures and no calls for you to leave. If anyone had done any of that, I would've said so. I saw frustration and annoyance on the part of those who attempted to reason with you, not ill will.
In short, this is YOUR doing. I pointed out where things went wrong, and all you could possibly take away from it was that I didn't tell people who were politely disagreeing with you that they were "bullying" you?
I will not disrespect you, but I will not coddle you either. If dissent on an internet message board is "bullying", I cringe to think how impossible real life interactions with you are.
This is the point where you'll post some attempt at wit, throw in a bunch of "lols" and emoji, talk about how funny this all is and how people are mean and blah blah blah. Save it. Your projection is dull and I won't engage in it anymore. I wish you luck, but most of all I wish you clarity and a less easily bruised ego.
It's all a pack of cards, Alice.
You say my opinion is false... I say it's not. Your opinion doesn't trump mine and vice versa... so this argument is already invalid. We BOTH have opinions and neither affects the other. Just smile! Things will be okay.
I have nothing to prove to you or anyone on here. I'm just here to join in conversations, help others, listen to others, get advice on various things people have tried etc. It's a message board... it's not so serious. This feels like Politics 101 more that an internet discussion board. Of course you left out all positives and respect I gave you in my previous reply. Look who got irritated that I did not agree with SOME of it? I thanked you for giving a thought out response. Do I have to agree with everything you said? No, I still don't. I do think you have made valid points and I am not taking that away from you.
You tell me to "save it" but no... I will say my peace and if you chose to ignore or post back that is your right.
You say you wonder how I act towards my clients. Well... obviously pretty well or I wouldn't have any. We get along great and they get results. You can't judge a true persons personalities based on an internet debate. Obviously everyone thinks they are right, and in my case... my mistake was not realizing and at first acknowledging about using a term that is not specific enough.
And I'm sorry you don't like my "lols" or emojis. I put LOL to signify that I'm smiling and trying to make this whole debate less serious. If I put a pissed off face then it would be more serious and what is the point of getting angry over text? I love using emoji, what can I say... I use Instagram! The only Gif I used was from Disneys Frozen lol, its funny.cute gif... not serious.
Lastly, trust me... my ego will never be bruised from a message board. I'm a happy girl. Maybe that bothers people that I haven't just gotten frustrated and quit replying. I do enjoy debates and conversation when they have merit. Some of this discussion I have enjoyed on here. Some... I have not. That is my opinion and right. You have yours.0 -
Any other day I would probably just let this thread die, but I'm on cold medicine today and the OP has rubbed me the wrong way. So, as this thread comes to an end, let's review some of the things the OP has said about us all, shall we? It's like a beautiful little snark poem:My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word!
They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad:
So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick:
its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response.
I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject.
I really figured with age people would grow out of mockery
Do you really listen/read what some of you are writing?
Right now all I hear is blah blah blah since so many of you are arguing and knit picking every little thing.
Ohhh I get it... YOU all are the experts... OOPS My bad lol. :::eye roll:::
Thank you for not just "attacking" like the herd and actually putting thought into your post even if we might have some disagreements on the content.
And now I'm due for another dose and a nap.
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I looked at OP's history. Not once in the midst of all this, did she attempt to help anyone else on any of the numerous cleanse,fad, weight loss pill threads that came and went on the main board. She wants to help people so much with her expert advice. Right.
um... I said early I just came back to MFP. I have only been on 3 other boards and posted so far.... give me time young grasshopper. I will
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Thank you for completely proving my point ^^^
Time to workout again!
"Hyenas don't take down lions."0 -
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Thank you for completely proving my point ^^^
Time to workout again!
"Hyenas don't take down lions."
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Thank you for completely proving my point ^^^
Time to workout again!
"Hyenas don't take down lions."
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The OP didn't just feel attacked.
The OP was attacked, mocked, insulted and patronized.
I saw it and I didn't even see a lot of the posts, so it's probably worse than I know.0 -
Let me preface this post by saying that I'm primarily a lurker, and always swore that I'd remain as such. But you, OP, are that ever so persistent internet creature that I cannot resist: the "expert". In my travels (professional and non), I've met many like you. The "fitness experts", the personal trainers, the "enthusiasts" with their anecdotal "evidence" that means less than zero...I could go on. Hard science matters, not personal experience.
I'll boil down the dissonance for you:
"Clean eating" doesn't inherently mean anything. It's a marketing term at best and worst. However, the individual can assign whatever definition they please. Many people do it for various reasons: to feel superior, to sound important and/or "educated" amongst their peers, and so forth. "Clean eating" can mean eating only organic foods, eating only GMO-free foods (not attempting to start a discussion on that, so let's not go there), eating no animal products, eating no processed foods, and so forth.
This is where the problem lies. You are using extremely broad terms to define what can only be determined by the individual. Perhaps in your professional community this is a common term. Fine. But when you are joining another community (even where there might be professional individuals similar to yourself) you CANNOT use the same broad terms and expect others to explicitly understand what you mean. This is the internet, where discussions are simply blocks of text and emoji. There is no nuance such as tone of voice, facial expression, etc. People cannot know your thought processes, even if they've had the same exact training and professional experience as you. This is where writing in a fashion that is clear, concise and appropriate to the group you're speaking to becomes essential. I would imagine what you meant by "clean eating" was eating foods that contain essential nutrients (if applicable to the individual): produce, lean meat/proteins, whole grains, dairy, etc. I think most rational people can agree on that point.
BUT.
Again, even if that's what you meant...it's not what was SAID. That's where everything went sideways. If you had seen that the initial problem was just a lack of written clarity, this would not have spiraled out of control the way it did.
Your next mistake was resorting to ad hominem, claims of "bullying", people "being sensitive"/"negative" and mocking people using emoji and generally being petulant. I recognize that these things happen to the best of us and come from places where we feel frustrated and attacked. That being said, we're all adults here. Disagreements happen, and they aren't personal. Someone disagreeing with what verbiage you choose isn't about your character as a person. It makes your argument appear illogical and you a person who isn't to be taken seriously.
The "debate" about pizza being better/worse than chicken is silly, and I think you know that. Chicken can be made "unhealthy" and pizza can be made "healthy" (in quotation marks purposely). No one is saying that one is inherently better than the other, as food dichotomies do everyone a disservice. The nonsense about 800 calories of donuts and candy bars made of kale is unnecessary, and you're attempting to have a laugh while being incredibly condescending to people who are attempting to discuss this topic with you. This tack is also not one that lends credence to your words. I think you initially meant well, weren't as clear as you should be (which is a forgivable mistake), things deteriorated rapidly and now here we are.
Start over. Be clear and type precisely what you mean. It'll help you avoid stuff like this from happening in the future.
That said, I'm going back to lurking.
Good luck.
I like you. Strong post for a lurker.0 -
The OP didn't just feel attacked.
The OP was attacked, mocked, insulted and patronized.
I saw it and I didn't even see a lot of the posts, so it's probably worse than I know.
No, she really wasn't. And if you scrolled up in this page a bit higher, you'll find a nice post about all the things OP said about those "bullying" her, which was quite a bit ruder than anything I read from the "bullies."0 -
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Any other day I would probably just let this thread die, but I'm on cold medicine today and the OP has rubbed me the wrong way. So, as this thread comes to an end, let's review some of the things the OP has said about us all, shall we? It's like a beautiful little snark poem:My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word!
They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad:
So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick:
its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response.
I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject.
I really figured with age people would grow out of mockery
Do you really listen/read what some of you are writing?
Right now all I hear is blah blah blah since so many of you are arguing and knit picking every little thing.
Ohhh I get it... YOU all are the experts... OOPS My bad lol. :::eye roll:::
Thank you for not just "attacking" like the herd and actually putting thought into your post even if we might have some disagreements on the content.
And now I'm due for another dose and a nap.
Haha, nice! Feel better :flowerforyou:
Thanks. Naps and cold medicine do wonders.0 -
Correct.I guess being a nationally certified trainer, fitness specialist, and working assistant to a doctor and nutritionist must mean I know nothing.0 -
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Nah......she wasn't.The OP didn't just feel attacked.
The OP was attacked, mocked, insulted and patronized.
I saw it and I didn't even see a lot of the posts, so it's probably worse than I know.0 -
Let me preface this post by saying that I'm primarily a lurker, and always swore that I'd remain as such. But you, OP, are that ever so persistent internet creature that I cannot resist: the "expert". In my travels (professional and non), I've met many like you. The "fitness experts", the personal trainers, the "enthusiasts" with their anecdotal "evidence" that means less than zero...I could go on. Hard science matters, not personal experience.
I'll boil down the dissonance for you:
"Clean eating" doesn't inherently mean anything. It's a marketing term at best and worst. However, the individual can assign whatever definition they please. Many people do it for various reasons: to feel superior, to sound important and/or "educated" amongst their peers, and so forth. "Clean eating" can mean eating only organic foods, eating only GMO-free foods (not attempting to start a discussion on that, so let's not go there), eating no animal products, eating no processed foods, and so forth.
This is where the problem lies. You are using extremely broad terms to define what can only be determined by the individual. Perhaps in your professional community this is a common term. Fine. But when you are joining another community (even where there might be professional individuals similar to yourself) you CANNOT use the same broad terms and expect others to explicitly understand what you mean. This is the internet, where discussions are simply blocks of text and emoji. There is no nuance such as tone of voice, facial expression, etc. People cannot know your thought processes, even if they've had the same exact training and professional experience as you. This is where writing in a fashion that is clear, concise and appropriate to the group you're speaking to becomes essential. I would imagine what you meant by "clean eating" was eating foods that contain essential nutrients (if applicable to the individual): produce, lean meat/proteins, whole grains, dairy, etc. I think most rational people can agree on that point.
BUT.
Again, even if that's what you meant...it's not what was SAID. That's where everything went sideways. If you had seen that the initial problem was just a lack of written clarity, this would not have spiraled out of control the way it did.
Your next mistake was resorting to ad hominem, claims of "bullying", people "being sensitive"/"negative" and mocking people using emoji and generally being petulant. I recognize that these things happen to the best of us and come from places where we feel frustrated and attacked. That being said, we're all adults here. Disagreements happen, and they aren't personal. Someone disagreeing with what verbiage you choose isn't about your character as a person. It makes your argument appear illogical and you a person who isn't to be taken seriously.
The "debate" about pizza being better/worse than chicken is silly, and I think you know that. Chicken can be made "unhealthy" and pizza can be made "healthy" (in quotation marks purposely). No one is saying that one is inherently better than the other, as food dichotomies do everyone a disservice. The nonsense about 800 calories of donuts and candy bars made of kale is unnecessary, and you're attempting to have a laugh while being incredibly condescending to people who are attempting to discuss this topic with you. This tack is also not one that lends credence to your words. I think you initially meant well, weren't as clear as you should be (which is a forgivable mistake), things deteriorated rapidly and now here we are.
Start over. Be clear and type precisely what you mean. It'll help you avoid stuff like this from happening in the future.
That said, I'm going back to lurking.
Good luck.
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Just as an FYI, the term "clean eating" has been around for decades. It's not a new buzz word but may feel that way due to the power of social media with regards to the insane amount of people it reaches. We used that term 25 years ago when I was heavy into weightlifting and was used years before that.0
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That's interesting. I've been around for 52 years and I've only heard it during the last few years. However, when I was a kid, my mother used to push us (her family) to eat sensibly:Just as an FYI, the term "clean eating" has been around for decades. It's not a new buzz word but may feel that way due to the power of social media with regards to the insane amount of people it reaches. We used that term 25 years ago when I was heavy into weightlifting and was used years before that.
^Square meals came first- meat, starch, vegetable.
^Snacks were okay in between, but they were mostly fruits. Chips, candy, ice creams were treats, and we indulged often (I was the only one who was overweight in my immediate family).
^Fresh vegetables and fruits when possible, hand canned when fresh was not available
^Meat we raised.
Finally, mother believed eating everything in moderation was important In regards to weight loss, she always told me it's not what you eat, it's how much you eat. She was very concerned when she saw me gravitating toward low fat, low sugar, etc. even though I was overweight.
Mom has been gone a long time, but I think she was spot on with what she tried to teach us. It's how I eat today, and what I ate to lose 44 pounds.0 -
I'm still guilty of saying "3 squares a day". Hehe. With regards to clean eating being used decades ago, I mostly heard it in the gym setting. I used to read it in the old Muscle Media magazines, etc.0
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Goooood Morning Everyone! :happy: 0
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Goooood Morning Everyone! :happy:
I'll throw out the ceremonial first cat picture.
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http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-but-ice-cream-and-subway-got-me-lean/
TL;DR:
"It’s not an attempt to bash anyone for following any type of restrictive, or rules-based diet, like Paleo, Atkins, Primal, Dukan, or whatever, and it’s certainly not meant to encourage people to base their diets around junk foods.
What it hopefully serves to do, however, is to make you realise that there’s much, much more to a diet than good vs. bad foods. You needn’t cut out any food when trying to lose fat"0 -
I haven't yet read the article, but anybody can get fat on a super duper clean eating and lose weight on a super duper high fat. It's all about the calorie deficit for weight loss. As for general health, there are too many factors to take into consideration, but I personally feel better with a dietary plan that is what I consider healthy most of the time with my lactose free ice cream almost every day. Of course, my idea of healthy might make someone else cringe. :bigsmile:http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-but-ice-cream-and-subway-got-me-lean/
TL;DR:
"It’s not an attempt to bash anyone for following any type of restrictive, or rules-based diet, like Paleo, Atkins, Primal, Dukan, or whatever, and it’s certainly not meant to encourage people to base their diets around junk foods.
What it hopefully serves to do, however, is to make you realise that there’s much, much more to a diet than good vs. bad foods. You needn’t cut out any food when trying to lose fat"0 -
I think the issue in the article is that diets like paleo (and "clean eating" and low carb) are often advertised as a replacement for calorie counting and pushed by people who insist that if you eat the right foods calories don't matter. There was some poster who was pushing this recently, and it's most recently making the rounds through that Jonathan Baylor book, I think.
Personally, as long as I stick strictly to something like paleo or low carb and have vaguely in the back of my mind that I'm dieting, so I don't go nuts with butter or indulge in any of the "paleo treats" with almond flour and the like, I would lose easily with one of those diets and not counting, but that's because I don't really believe you can eat as many calories as you want and so tend to eat more restrictively anyway and just have a notion of what serving size is with meat that I probably wouldn't exceed without pushing myself to. (I've learned that my tendency without counting if trying to lose weight is to overrestrict, particularly on carbs and fats.) But there's also a part of it related to the fact that for a lot of people (including me, but not everyone) you fill up really easily on lots of meat and veggies.
I don't at all disagree that for some people these diets work in that they help them cut calories more easily and work with their natural preferences or by avoiding trigger foods (although I think it's better to work on not having trigger foods). I just find it annoying when people pretend like it's not related to calories. I tried paleo briefly because I don't care much about grains (love dairy though), and found that I was eating like 900 calories a day when I started logging. (Once I realized, I stopped that.) Luckily, it was never really intended to be longterm--just wanted to see if I felt better like so many people claim. (I did not. I felt good, but just as good now eating a balanced healthy diet of "three squares" plus ice cream in moderation, etc).
I love podcasts and have listened to some paleo ones and at times you get people calling in with questions about not losing where they are clearly eating far too many calories, and the hosts won't acknowledge that's the issue. They just push keeping with it or finding hidden grains or some such, which is just ridiculous.0
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