How do you handle tantrums?
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Honesty may hurt, but I will not withhold it simply because you don't like what I have to say. The OP illustrates the point that NOBODY here (this includes parents) is an expert on raising children.
My point may have stung (ok, it definitely stung... a lot if someone didn't know themselves very well), yet it is absolutely valid.
Dude, you're giving parenting advice and your profile talks about hoping to find a girlfriend.
Honesty hurts.
Being childfree is a qualification for any girlfriend, and I'm up front about that from the beginning. I've turned down women who had or wanted kids in the past and will continue to do so.
Just out of curiosity...if you hate children so much, why come into a thread about children and then continue to post?
Since I also buy groceries, I'm as interested in getting children to stop throwing tantrums in a grocery store as anyone with or without kids.
You've also used this as a sounding block for how "good parents" are usually the ones with most problems, that there would be a holy war if there were child free restaurants, parents letting their "brats" get away with everything. You know, there really is only one issue that I had brought up...
I pointed out my observation. I never mentioned a "holy war" (who brought god into this?) but did bring up a specific circumstance with a bar/restaurant in GA that kicked out an unruly kid. You seem to be mischaracterizing what I've said.
I already responded to the original issue you brought up (as well as several others you brought up later). Many others (including lots of real parents, just like you) have also responded. So... after seeing all of the responses, what have you decided to try next time?
At the end of the day, no one took your advice seriously, parents or non parents. I sympathize with people who have to be there when my 18 month old loses her cool over bubbles. Do I appreciate it being insinuated that she is a brat? No. Do I think you are in any position to be giving advice? No. Do I think you came here for cheap validation that not having kids is way better and now you get to judge parents? Yes.
OK, but you didn't answer my question: After seeing all of the responses, what have you decided to try next time?
I haven't decided. That is my ultimate decision to make. Well, unless I happen to need to go grocery shopping in an area where you live. God forbid my child throws a fit in your mighty presence.
Please come back and share when you figure out what works.
BTW, It wouldn't necessarily be near where I live. I travel the US extensively and I even shop at grocery stores occasionally in other states. I've been in grocery stores from New York to California and in between.
For what it's worth: if you met me in person, you would think differently of me. I actually spare death stares for when it gets really over the top or the kid is throwing things towards me or is running into me or trying to talk directly to me... usually screams annoy me, but I do not visibly react. The most common response I get from parents when I do show annoyance is an apology. And then I try to be nice in their time of struggle and say "it's ok," but I won't lie here: It annoys me much more than I let on. So if you do see me in a store, and your kid is being a brat yet I do not look annoyed... you should remember that I AM actually annoyed; I'm just trying to be nice. That doesn't mean I don't want you to do something about it.
Oh my. I've read your comments, which are ignorant and uneducated at best. How "generous" of you to spare your death stares for the "over the top" behavior. If my child did something in a store that directly affected someone else, such as ran into them, messed with their shopping cart, or something like that I would apologize. Most conscientious parents would. However, if my child cries in the store because they're upset about something, you can be sure that no parent is going to get an apology from me because my child is doing something that a child of that age is neurologically wired to do. Are you also annoyed by special needs people who do not have control of their verbal utterances? Do their wheelchairs annoy you because you have to go around them? I have to wonder, because for all practical purposes little children can be like an older special needs person in that their emotional and cognitive functioning may be at a similar level. Young children's development is at a point where there is still a lot of growth necessary in order to control emotions, be considerate of others, etc...You are annoyed at children for being "brats" when they are behaving exactly as their developmental level would dictate them to behave.
Based on your posts midwesterner8, I question both your cognitive and emotional development in that you cannot seem to grasp such a simple concept as typical child development and reasonable expectations. Given your age you should be capable of a higher level of cognitive reasoning than what you have demonstrated.
I do hope you are serious in your intention to not reproduce. In fact, I would suggest you take care of that in a concrete manner as soon as possible. I'm sure we'd all be delighted if you'd report back and share the news once it's done!
All of that "it's impossible for kids to behave, so you should just let them throw a fit" garbage is what bothers me. I didn't throw stuff on the floor in the grocery store when I was 1, 2, or older. Don't tell me that kids are not capable of behaving.
There are adults that are just as annoying (*cough* *cough*)
So unless you plan on moving to Mars, I suggest you:
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Honesty may hurt, but I will not withhold it simply because you don't like what I have to say. The OP illustrates the point that NOBODY here (this includes parents) is an expert on raising children.
My point may have stung (ok, it definitely stung... a lot if someone didn't know themselves very well), yet it is absolutely valid.
Dude, you're giving parenting advice and your profile talks about hoping to find a girlfriend.
Honesty hurts.
Being childfree is a qualification for any girlfriend, and I'm up front about that from the beginning. I've turned down women who had or wanted kids in the past and will continue to do so.
Just out of curiosity...if you hate children so much, why come into a thread about children and then continue to post?
Since I also buy groceries, I'm as interested in getting children to stop throwing tantrums in a grocery store as anyone with or without kids.
You've also used this as a sounding block for how "good parents" are usually the ones with most problems, that there would be a holy war if there were child free restaurants, parents letting their "brats" get away with everything. You know, there really is only one issue that I had brought up...
I pointed out my observation. I never mentioned a "holy war" (who brought god into this?) but did bring up a specific circumstance with a bar/restaurant in GA that kicked out an unruly kid. You seem to be mischaracterizing what I've said.
I already responded to the original issue you brought up (as well as several others you brought up later). Many others (including lots of real parents, just like you) have also responded. So... after seeing all of the responses, what have you decided to try next time?
At the end of the day, no one took your advice seriously, parents or non parents. I sympathize with people who have to be there when my 18 month old loses her cool over bubbles. Do I appreciate it being insinuated that she is a brat? No. Do I think you are in any position to be giving advice? No. Do I think you came here for cheap validation that not having kids is way better and now you get to judge parents? Yes.
OK, but you didn't answer my question: After seeing all of the responses, what have you decided to try next time?
I haven't decided. That is my ultimate decision to make. Well, unless I happen to need to go grocery shopping in an area where you live. God forbid my child throws a fit in your mighty presence.
Please come back and share when you figure out what works.
BTW, It wouldn't necessarily be near where I live. I travel the US extensively and I even shop at grocery stores occasionally in other states. I've been in grocery stores from New York to California and in between.
For what it's worth: if you met me in person, you would think differently of me. I actually spare death stares for when it gets really over the top or the kid is throwing things towards me or is running into me or trying to talk directly to me... usually screams annoy me, but I do not visibly react. The most common response I get from parents when I do show annoyance is an apology. And then I try to be nice in their time of struggle and say "it's ok," but I won't lie here: It annoys me much more than I let on. So if you do see me in a store, and your kid is being a brat yet I do not look annoyed... you should remember that I AM actually annoyed; I'm just trying to be nice. That doesn't mean I don't want you to do something about it.
Oh my. I've read your comments, which are ignorant and uneducated at best. How "generous" of you to spare your death stares for the "over the top" behavior. If my child did something in a store that directly affected someone else, such as ran into them, messed with their shopping cart, or something like that I would apologize. Most conscientious parents would. However, if my child cries in the store because they're upset about something, you can be sure that no parent is going to get an apology from me because my child is doing something that a child of that age is neurologically wired to do. Are you also annoyed by special needs people who do not have control of their verbal utterances? Do their wheelchairs annoy you because you have to go around them? I have to wonder, because for all practical purposes little children can be like an older special needs person in that their emotional and cognitive functioning may be at a similar level. Young children's development is at a point where there is still a lot of growth necessary in order to control emotions, be considerate of others, etc...You are annoyed at children for being "brats" when they are behaving exactly as their developmental level would dictate them to behave.
Based on your posts midwesterner8, I question both your cognitive and emotional development in that you cannot seem to grasp such a simple concept as typical child development and reasonable expectations. Given your age you should be capable of a higher level of cognitive reasoning than what you have demonstrated.
I do hope you are serious in your intention to not reproduce. In fact, I would suggest you take care of that in a concrete manner as soon as possible. I'm sure we'd all be delighted if you'd report back and share the news once it's done!
All of that "it's impossible for kids to behave, so you should just let them throw a fit" garbage is what bothers me. I didn't throw stuff on the floor in the grocery store when I was 1, 2, or older. Don't tell me that kids are not capable of behaving.
Can you ask your parents what they did? Be very specific and detailed.
Because, the thing is, the end goal isn't the comfort of the other adults in the store, but raising a person who is well-rounded, able to enjoy their gifts, is disciplined and respectful of others.
I kind of want to avoid whatever they did.0 -
Oh snap.0
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Duct tape. Preferably over the mouth and nostrils.0
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Thank goodness we have a law that forbids any kind of physical abuse including smacking and spanking of children.
Spanking is not abuse! That's just keeping the kid in line. Dark closets with no food or water is abuse. Beating is abuse. Spanking is not abuse, and it works.0 -
Duct tape. Preferably over the mouth and nostrils.
Ya know, I tried really hard earlier. But this thread seems humor immune.
It's like parents are very passionate about their kids or somethin'. :noway:0 -
Is the phrase hell and a handbasket or IN a handbasket?0
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Ya know, I tried really hard earlier. But this thread seems humor immune.
It's like parents are very passionate about their kids or somethin'. noway0 -
I though it was IN.
As in....you're going to hell IN a handbasket0 -
Definitely "in".0
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I think you did exactly waht you should have. You did NOT give in and give her what she was crying over (good job, Mom!), and you got her out of there as quickly as you could. Most people completely understand toddler meltdowns - don't worry about her having them in public, they're normal. Distraction IS a great thing (Darkguardian - super point), but even when they're young doesn't always work the way we want it to. If you keep NOT giving in, you guys will get past this stage. :flowerforyou:0
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Honesty may hurt, but I will not withhold it simply because you don't like what I have to say. The OP illustrates the point that NOBODY here (this includes parents) is an expert on raising children.
My point may have stung (ok, it definitely stung... a lot if someone didn't know themselves very well), yet it is absolutely valid.
Dude, you're giving parenting advice and your profile talks about hoping to find a girlfriend.
Honesty hurts.
Being childfree is a qualification for any girlfriend, and I'm up front about that from the beginning. I've turned down women who had or wanted kids in the past and will continue to do so.
I'm sure you're a catch
For women who don't want kids - and there are plenty of us - he probably is.
Ya'll should link up.0 -
I handle them by not having kids. LOL0
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Spanking is not abuse! That's just keeping the kid in line. Dark closets with no food or water is abuse. Beating is abuse. Spanking is not abuse, and it works.
Your opinion.0 -
I'm a fan of delegation. I think I had them hold the list at the age, or the coupons. I gave them a pale colored crayon so they could draw lines through the items. and made a game of it..."We're heading into the shampoo aisle, we need X Shampoo, it's a red bottle, do you see it?" As i pushed, they would point out the bottle, it would go in the cart and they would draw a line through it. I chose pale crayons because it was easy enough to see through, in case they scribbled a bit.0
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Explain to your child BEFORE you leave home where you're going and what you're going to get - i.e. - 'We're going to the grocery store - ALL we are getting is healthy food for the week - NO toys, candy, or presents.'
Tell your daughter you KNOW she is a big girl, and she will behave herself on the trip.
If she has a melt-down - remind her of the trip - why you're there, what you're getting.
IF she continues - leave immediately - she gets a time-out at home.
My daughter had one melt-down in a Target when she was around 2 - I walked away from her.
I saw her get up - look around in disbelief - and run after me - no more tears.
Never happened again.
Ah tantrums - the bane of every parent's existence! Let me preface this by mentioning that I have 2 kids, now 7 and 8, and their step-dad is a preschool teacher with a Masters in ECE as well as a bunch of certifications I don't remember lol. That's not to say I'm an expert, but I will say I've learned a lot from him and what I know works. He's like the child whisperer I swear. Anyway, back to the point.
This (quoted above) is mostly good advice *except* for the time-out at home. I would really really advise against that. Based on the age of the child, any disciplinary action needs to be immediate. By the time you get home, they will not connect what happened in the store with the consequences, even if you remind them. And rationalization (explaining things beforehand) doesn't always work at this age either. This age is the epitome of living in the moment.
The one big thing I would mention (I apologize if someone else already said this, I didn't read through all the responses yet) is that at this age, children are starting to have some self-realization, are starting to understand cause-and-effect, and are beginning to understand what the concept of control is. What all of that leads to is that they want to control things themselves. Natural psychological development. What you can do is start to give her choices - you control the options, but allow her to choose one of them. And only present 2 choices, not more. For example - do you want to eat peas or carrots? Would you like to color or play with legos? Do you want me to help you put on your shoes or would you like to try it yourself?
As far as dealing with the situation in the store, try keeping her engaged while you shop. Talk about everything you're doing as it's happening. I like what teresamwhite said about delegation and having them involved in the shopping, helping look for items etc. And if none of that works, and it gets to the point of a tantrum, ignoring it is ultimately what you have to do. Keep talking in a calm voice, do not let any upset emotions show, and give her something to focus on.
Google "tantrums and the frontal lobe" if you want to get more in-depth... and here is one really informative article
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/the_kids/2013/02/why_does_my_kid_freak_out_the_science_behind_toddler_tantrums.html0 -
All of that "it's impossible for kids to behave, so you should just let them throw a fit" garbage is what bothers me. I didn't throw stuff on the floor in the grocery store when I was 1, 2, or older. Don't tell me that kids are not capable of behaving.I call bull.
you didn't throw stuff on the floor at 1 or 2. Really? bull.
Kids do that, and it's not misbehaving, they are figuring out how things work. It is very possible for kids to behave. But a child throwing a tantrum isn't necessarily misbehaving, they are just acting like a child. Again a child under 2 does not have a grasp of their emotions. Everything is horrible to them. Or great! They are like tiny bipolar people! Thats how they are, that's how they are supposed to be.
Why don't you just stop? You clearly do not understand how children grow and learn and develop. You clearly do not know developmental stages or how children and people naturally act. Because clearly you are perfect and have been an adult since you were 1 year old.
And as an adult you seem just super.
Had to go there. Tantrums are "normal" but only because parents are often uninformed and miseducated (not necessarily their fault... but that again is a completely different conversation) so it happens more often than it should. It seems you have a partial understanding of child development but it's incomplete.
My kids each only threw one tantrum. Ever. And they never did again. I didn't spank them (although I have swatted them once each for something else).0 -
I remember that before I had kids I had a lot stronger opinion about children's behavior than I do now. To those without kids - it's a lot harder than it looks and to those with kids - don't forget how annoyed you were by misbehaved kids before you had your own and found out its a lot harder than it looks.
HEAR HEAR
And it's also harder when you don't have a guidebook. I happen to lucky enough to have married one though lol
(I really need to figure out the multiple quotes thing)0 -
I hope my multiple posts aren't going to annoy anyone lol
Last thing I swear
We are a lot "harder" on our kids at home so we don't have to be so strict in public. Either of us can pretty much direct their behavior with looks and/or hand gestures. Of course they are much older now, but it helps to start forming habits when they are young.0 -
The tone changed with "contradict yourself much?" I followed the new tone.
Totally fair. You did contradict yourself.0 -
All of that "it's impossible for kids to behave, so you should just let them throw a fit" garbage is what bothers me. I didn't throw stuff on the floor in the grocery store when I was 1, 2, or older. Don't tell me that kids are not capable of behaving.I call bull.
you didn't throw stuff on the floor at 1 or 2. Really? bull.
Kids do that, and it's not misbehaving, they are figuring out how things work. It is very possible for kids to behave. But a child throwing a tantrum isn't necessarily misbehaving, they are just acting like a child. Again a child under 2 does not have a grasp of their emotions. Everything is horrible to them. Or great! They are like tiny bipolar people! Thats how they are, that's how they are supposed to be.
Why don't you just stop? You clearly do not understand how children grow and learn and develop. You clearly do not know developmental stages or how children and people naturally act. Because clearly you are perfect and have been an adult since you were 1 year old.
And as an adult you seem just super.
Had to go there. Tantrums are "normal" but only because parents are often uninformed and miseducated (not necessarily their fault... but that again is a completely different conversation) so it happens more often than it should. It seems you have a partial understanding of child development but it's incomplete.
My kids each only threw one tantrum. Ever. And they never did again. I didn't spank them (although I have swatted them once each for something else).
Your kids must be abnormal (in a good way ) then. I bet anything everyone's views on what exactly a tantrum is varies as well....
I still say tantrums are a normal part of a child's development, simply because they have no idea how to control their emotions and it's a parents job to walk them through it and to figure out why they feel that way and how to fix it. How to have the kid fix it, not the adult.
And i'm talking about the tantrums of children under 3....once you get over 3 things start to really change....but an 18 month old has no idea how the world works, they are generally having a tantrum because they are frustrated and can't express themselves. Kids understand a lot more than we think but their vocal skills aren't really up to par yet so they can't express themselves.
Imagine if someone controlled every aspect of your life and you couldn't talk? Or explain if you were unhappy? Or tired? Or hungry? You might get frustrated too, and you might just lose it. That's what's going on with young kids and tantrums...
http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/tantrums.html#0 -
I hope my multiple posts aren't going to annoy anyone lol
Last thing I swear
We are a lot "harder" on our kids at home so we don't have to be so strict in public. Either of us can pretty much direct their behavior with looks and/or hand gestures. Of course they are much older now, but it helps to start forming habits when they are young.
How about I farm out my youngest to you for the next 5 years. My older one responds to basic parenting. The little one is a whole 'nother ballgame.0 -
[quoteHad to go there. Tantrums are "normal" but only because parents are often uninformed and miseducated (not necessarily their fault... but that again is a completely different conversation) so it happens more often than it should. It seems you have a partial understanding of child development but it's incomplete.
My kids each only threw one tantrum. Ever. And they never did again. I didn't spank them (although I have swatted them once each for something else). [/quote]
Mine didn't throw a lot of tantrums, but when she did it usually indicated she was getting sick.
Not sure how you parent "getting sick" out.
Glad you were a perfect parent and the rest of us suck, though.0 -
Spanking is not abuse! That's just keeping the kid in line. Dark closets with no food or water is abuse. Beating is abuse. Spanking is not abuse, and it works.
Your opinion.0 -
All of that "it's impossible for kids to behave, so you should just let them throw a fit" garbage is what bothers me. I didn't throw stuff on the floor in the grocery store when I was 1, 2, or older. Don't tell me that kids are not capable of behaving.I call bull.
you didn't throw stuff on the floor at 1 or 2. Really? bull.
Kids do that, and it's not misbehaving, they are figuring out how things work. It is very possible for kids to behave. But a child throwing a tantrum isn't necessarily misbehaving, they are just acting like a child. Again a child under 2 does not have a grasp of their emotions. Everything is horrible to them. Or great! They are like tiny bipolar people! Thats how they are, that's how they are supposed to be.
Why don't you just stop? You clearly do not understand how children grow and learn and develop. You clearly do not know developmental stages or how children and people naturally act. Because clearly you are perfect and have been an adult since you were 1 year old.
And as an adult you seem just super.
Had to go there. Tantrums are "normal" but only because parents are often uninformed and miseducated (not necessarily their fault... but that again is a completely different conversation) so it happens more often than it should. It seems you have a partial understanding of child development but it's incomplete.
My kids each only threw one tantrum. Ever. And they never did again. I didn't spank them (although I have swatted them once each for something else).
Your kids must be abnormal (in a good way ) then. I bet anything everyone's views on what exactly a tantrum is varies as well....
I still say tantrums are a normal part of a child's development, simply because they have no idea how to control their emotions and it's a parents job to walk them through it and to figure out why they feel that way and how to fix it. How to have the kid fix it, not the adult.
And i'm talking about the tantrums of children under 3....once you get over 3 things start to really change....but an 18 month old has no idea how the world works, they are generally having a tantrum because they are frustrated and can't express themselves. Kids understand a lot more than we think but their vocal skills aren't really up to par yet so they can't express themselves.
Imagine if someone controlled every aspect of your life and you couldn't talk? Or explain if you were unhappy? Or tired? Or hungry? You might get frustrated too, and you might just lose it. That's what's going on with young kids and tantrums...
http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/tantrums.html#
She's right in that anxiety and physical distress seems to be the root of most tantrums. So, if you have a pretty laid back kid and have them on a rigorous schedule that meets their physical needs and provides them a high level of consistency and control, you're probably not going to see a lot of them.
Some kids are wired to be more anxious. Some have sensitivity issues. These kids will be harder to parent in that way.0 -
Had to go there. Tantrums are "normal" but only because parents are often uninformed and miseducated (not necessarily their fault... but that again is a completely different conversation) so it happens more often than it should. It seems you have a partial understanding of child development but it's incomplete.
My kids each only threw one tantrum. Ever. And they never did again. I didn't spank them (although I have swatted them once each for something else).
Mine didn't throw a lot of tantrums, but when she did it usually indicated she was getting sick.
Not sure how you parent "getting sick" out.
Glad you were a perfect parent and the rest of us suck, though.
I'm just waiting until all our kids are 30 and seeing who is the happiest.0 -
Had to go there. Tantrums are "normal" but only because parents are often uninformed and miseducated (not necessarily their fault... but that again is a completely different conversation) so it happens more often than it should. It seems you have a partial understanding of child development but it's incomplete.
My kids each only threw one tantrum. Ever. And they never did again. I didn't spank them (although I have swatted them once each for something else).
Mine didn't throw a lot of tantrums, but when she did it usually indicated she was getting sick.
Not sure how you parent "getting sick" out.
Glad you were a perfect parent and the rest of us suck, though.
I'm just waiting until all our kids are 30 and seeing who is the happiest.0 -
In the three times (maybe!) my son, who is now 7, has had a tantrum in the store I've placed him in timeout. Right in the middle of an (unused/out of the way) aisle. Do I care if I get judgmental stares? Nope. Is it better for me to give in so he learns that screaming will get him his way just to make some stranger I'm never going to see again happy? Nope. I even had a Walmart employee approach me once, nervously, asking if everything was okay. Like he thought I was beating my child or something. I calmly looked at him and said, "Nope. He's throwing a tantrum because he wants (whatever it was) so he's in timeout. We're good thanks." He didn't quite know what to do.
I definitely don't put up with tantrums and don't allow my child or society to control me with them. And this is why perhaps I've only had to deal with 3.
And for anyone who might get upset because people like me shouldn't subject others to their child's screaming... well do you want me to raise a productive member of society or do you want to be posting about him on Facebook 20 years from now when he's mooching off others because he expects to be handed everything he wants in life?
I'm primarily thankful that I can check out at the grocery store and if he asks me for a piece of candy from temptation station I can say No (if I need to) without worrying about him throwing a fit. He'll shrug his shoulders and say "Okay" and put it back. So, so thankful.0 -
I haven't read most of the replies. I know with my nephew who is 2.5 - distract, distract, distract. His parents are exceedingly calm with him when he has a tantrum. There have been times where we've been out in public and he has thrown such a tantrum that they've just had to take him home and let him cry and scream it out while they talk gently to him. Often times though, distracting him with their iphone is enough... I have a friend who puts her 1.5 year old in a time out in his crib when he has a tantrum. Honestly, I don't see a difference in the quantity of tantrums - just a different parenting style. It's going to happen and I think most people who have been around kids understand somewhat and feel for you...0
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My kids aren't abnormal, I definitely am not a perfect parent, and they have FAR from perfect lives. They have 2 different dads, 2 different schedules, only one is with me full time, one's dad is an alcoholic who treats her like a princess who can do no wrong (I wouldn't be surprised if she threw tantrums with him), and the other has a father who mostly uses video games to occupy his time so he often feels lonely and unsure of their relationship.
Yet despite all that, largely due to the fact that we have always provided them a loving, safe, stable home with very clear boundaries, they have not felt the need to "act out" as often as they probably could have, given their unusual circumstances. The youngest one in particular sometimes has severe mood swings, but when he comes up against a brick wall so to speak, it reassures him and often he is happiest and in the best mood immediately after that. Kids NEED boundaries to feel safe. They NEED someone to be firm, to show them that, although they can make their own choices in many areas, they are still children with a parent who will protect them. Because, essentially, that is what we are doing. We want our kids to listen so that (worst case scenario but it happens!) if they start running toward the street but they hear our voice say "STOP!!" they don't ignore it and get hit by a car.
It saddens me that so many people - even "experts" like pediatricians - think multiple tantrums are normal. There are so many ways to prevent them. Yes they will happen, but they don't have to, and certainly not frequently.
I honestly feel lucky to have learned as much as I have and all I hope to do is share what I've learned with anyone who cares to hear it.
Edited to say: I'm really confused why people think that kids who have tantrums "normally" will be happier than those that don't LOL0
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