Processed Sugar
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Wait, huh? This genuinely confuses me.
Do you seriously think we're all just sitting around eating sugar-laden foods for their health benfefits?
That's a serious question, because if I'm understanding you right, this whole thing is moot. I haven't read the whole thread yet. Nobody's arguing that eating "all the sugar" is good for you.
It tastes nice. If I have calories left over to have a sugary snack, I will. But only if I've met my other dietary needs.0 -
This thread is a good example of context being both important and lacking.
If you can present evidence that sugar has harmful effects within a nutrient sufficient diet where energy intake is appropriate for the individual and his/her goals, then I'm all ears. And my first question will be "how much sugar is harmful" and "to whom".
When sugar either causes total calories to be in excess or it displaces needed nutrients in the diet then this is also problematic. But it DOESNT ALWAYS DO THIS as that depends on CONTEXT.
There is growing evidence that sugar increases diabetes in populations independent of calorie intake and other factors. But like tobacco it's going to be awhile before it's generally accepted. And the industry making so much of its money off white sugar and corn syrup will, like the tobacco industry, do its best to ensure that as many years as possible pass before the general public accepts the evidence.
http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/02/13591/quantity-sugar-food-supply-linked-diabetes-rates
"The researchers had to rely on food-availability data for this study instead of consumption data because no large-scale international databases exist to measure food consumption directly. "
That's right. Like I said, growing evidence, but it's going to take time. Not enough yet, and of course big money is fighting to muddy the waters just as much as they can.
But from everything I've read, it will eventually be accepted based on sufficient evidence, just like the cancer and tobacco link. And like human caused climate change, for that matter.
It will still come down to dose and context.
Sure it will. But how many smokers do you know who just have one? Some of us have the same issue with sugary foods. I know I do. And I am one of the rare people who can take or leave cigarettes.
That is a different issue. The ability to portion control certain foods. Same could be said for peanut butter.
No it isn't a different issue. If you consume more of something than you should for your health and you know it, who cares if it's nicotine or sugar? Obviously there is a pull there that counteracts our ability to look after our health properly. And it's not about just any food. I don't know about anyone else on here, but I've sure as hell never overeaten raw spinach. And I like spinach. Sugar does wonky things to the human body, that is well known. And it does very wonky things to the brains of rats. Addictive things. And that is well known.0 -
This thread is a good example of context being both important and lacking.
If you can present evidence that sugar has harmful effects within a nutrient sufficient diet where energy intake is appropriate for the individual and his/her goals, then I'm all ears. And my first question will be "how much sugar is harmful" and "to whom".
When sugar either causes total calories to be in excess or it displaces needed nutrients in the diet then this is also problematic. But it DOESNT ALWAYS DO THIS as that depends on CONTEXT.
There is growing evidence that sugar increases diabetes in populations independent of calorie intake and other factors. But like tobacco it's going to be awhile before it's generally accepted. And the industry making so much of its money off white sugar and corn syrup will, like the tobacco industry, do its best to ensure that as many years as possible pass before the general public accepts the evidence.
http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/02/13591/quantity-sugar-food-supply-linked-diabetes-rates
"The researchers had to rely on food-availability data for this study instead of consumption data because no large-scale international databases exist to measure food consumption directly. "
That's right. Like I said, growing evidence, but it's going to take time. Not enough yet, and of course big money is fighting to muddy the waters just as much as they can.
But from everything I've read, it will eventually be accepted based on sufficient evidence, just like the cancer and tobacco link. And like human caused climate change, for that matter.
It will still come down to dose and context.
Sure it will. But how many smokers do you know who just have one? Some of us have the same issue with sugary foods. I know I do. And I am one of the rare people who can take or leave cigarettes.
The question is a relevant, this topic is not about smoking. The evidence that smoking is harmful is overwhelming. We cannot say that about sugar.
My point is we didn't used to be able to say that about tobacco, either. It took decades. Why not be on the safe side now? Especially someone like me, with diabetes running heavily on one side of my family and that diabetes is not linked to obesity. Many of my family who suffer from it aren't even overweight.
Heh. I'm talking myself out of buying another jar of molasses now when this runs out. For sure I will stop buying it if I find myself going back to grab another tablespoonful too often.0 -
Hi everyone
I was wondering what if I ate sugar without crossing my calories goal ??0 -
I feel like we are slowly working up to this:
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Wait, huh? This genuinely confuses me.
Do you seriously think we're all just sitting around eating sugar-laden foods for their health benfefits?
That's a serious question, because if I'm understanding you right, this whole thing is moot. I haven't read the whole thread yet. Nobody's arguing that eating "all the sugar" is good for you.
It tastes nice. If I have calories left over to have a sugary snack, I will. But only if I've met my other dietary needs.
Why don't you just go ahead and eat rat poison. You will live longer. Sugar will kill ya quick.0 -
This thread is a good example of context being both important and lacking.
If you can present evidence that sugar has harmful effects within a nutrient sufficient diet where energy intake is appropriate for the individual and his/her goals, then I'm all ears. And my first question will be "how much sugar is harmful" and "to whom".
When sugar either causes total calories to be in excess or it displaces needed nutrients in the diet then this is also problematic. But it DOESNT ALWAYS DO THIS as that depends on CONTEXT.
There is growing evidence that sugar increases diabetes in populations independent of calorie intake and other factors. But like tobacco it's going to be awhile before it's generally accepted. And the industry making so much of its money off white sugar and corn syrup will, like the tobacco industry, do its best to ensure that as many years as possible pass before the general public accepts the evidence.
http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/02/13591/quantity-sugar-food-supply-linked-diabetes-rates
"The researchers had to rely on food-availability data for this study instead of consumption data because no large-scale international databases exist to measure food consumption directly. "
That's right. Like I said, growing evidence, but it's going to take time. Not enough yet, and of course big money is fighting to muddy the waters just as much as they can.
But from everything I've read, it will eventually be accepted based on sufficient evidence, just like the cancer and tobacco link. And like human caused climate change, for that matter.
It will still come down to dose and context.
Sure it will. But how many smokers do you know who just have one? Some of us have the same issue with sugary foods. I know I do. And I am one of the rare people who can take or leave cigarettes.
That is a different issue. The ability to portion control certain foods. Same could be said for peanut butter.
No it isn't a different issue. If you consume more of something than you should for your health and you know it, who cares if it's nicotine or sugar? Obviously there is a pull there that counteracts our ability to look after our health properly. And it's not about just any food. I don't know about anyone else on here, but I've sure as hell never overeaten raw spinach. And I like spinach. Sugar does wonky things to the human body, that is well known. And it does very wonky things to the brains of rats. Addictive things. And that is well known.
It is a different issue - you were noting behavioral issues - in that you over-consume. And no, it is not 'well known' that sugar does wonky things to the body.0 -
Flavor/Palatability.
Additionally, whether or not it has a benefit is not a counter argument to whether or not the inclusion of some amount of processed sugar is harmful or deleterious in a given context.
Still doesn't answer my question.They taste good. Nobody eats sugar for the nutritional benefits. Are you even serious right now?
Why would you think I'm not being serious? I believe when people are trying to achieve a fitness goal (weight loss, muscle gain, etc) they eat food based on a benefit they will get from what they're eating. If sugar doesn't provide any, then why people get bothered when others don't want to include sugar in their diets?
Flavor can be a benefit.
So is me not stabbing someone.0 -
This thread is a good example of context being both important and lacking.
If you can present evidence that sugar has harmful effects within a nutrient sufficient diet where energy intake is appropriate for the individual and his/her goals, then I'm all ears. And my first question will be "how much sugar is harmful" and "to whom".
When sugar either causes total calories to be in excess or it displaces needed nutrients in the diet then this is also problematic. But it DOESNT ALWAYS DO THIS as that depends on CONTEXT.
There is growing evidence that sugar increases diabetes in populations independent of calorie intake and other factors. But like tobacco it's going to be awhile before it's generally accepted. And the industry making so much of its money off white sugar and corn syrup will, like the tobacco industry, do its best to ensure that as many years as possible pass before the general public accepts the evidence.
http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/02/13591/quantity-sugar-food-supply-linked-diabetes-rates
"The researchers had to rely on food-availability data for this study instead of consumption data because no large-scale international databases exist to measure food consumption directly. "
That's right. Like I said, growing evidence, but it's going to take time. Not enough yet, and of course big money is fighting to muddy the waters just as much as they can.
But from everything I've read, it will eventually be accepted based on sufficient evidence, just like the cancer and tobacco link. And like human caused climate change, for that matter.
It will still come down to dose and context.
Sure it will. But how many smokers do you know who just have one? Some of us have the same issue with sugary foods. I know I do. And I am one of the rare people who can take or leave cigarettes.
The question is a relevant, this topic is not about smoking. The evidence that smoking is harmful is overwhelming. We cannot say that about sugar.
My point is we didn't used to be able to say that about tobacco, either. It took decades. Why not be on the safe side now?
Because at some point you have to ask yourself whether you're wearing a tinfoil hat. I don't believe we have evidence indicating that we need to entirely remove sugar from our diets. Back to dosage.Especially someone like me, with diabetes running heavily on one side of my family and that diabetes is not linked to obesity. Many of my family who suffer from it aren't even overweight.
Are you claiming that obesity is not a risk factor to diabetes?0 -
Nothing. You'll be fine as long as you're still getting your necessary nutrients and hitting your calorie goals.Hi everyone
I was wondering what if I ate sugar without crossing my calories goal ??0 -
This thread is a good example of context being both important and lacking.
If you can present evidence that sugar has harmful effects within a nutrient sufficient diet where energy intake is appropriate for the individual and his/her goals, then I'm all ears. And my first question will be "how much sugar is harmful" and "to whom".
When sugar either causes total calories to be in excess or it displaces needed nutrients in the diet then this is also problematic. But it DOESNT ALWAYS DO THIS as that depends on CONTEXT.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Logic....It has no place here.0 -
Wait, huh? This genuinely confuses me.
Do you seriously think we're all just sitting around eating sugar-laden foods for their health benfefits?
That's a serious question, because if I'm understanding you right, this whole thing is moot. I haven't read the whole thread yet. Nobody's arguing that eating "all the sugar" is good for you.
It tastes nice. If I have calories left over to have a sugary snack, I will. But only if I've met my other dietary needs.
Why don't you just go ahead and eat rat poison. You will live longer. Sugar will kill ya quick.
You don't know that rat poison will kill me.
Everything in moderation, sweetheart.0 -
I eat regular white granulated sugar and will continue to do so. I don't eat many sweets or drink sodas. I refuse to use sweeteners because they help in water retention which really doesn't make it much better than the sugar. I was looking into using brown sugar, but unless it says raw brown sugar, it is processed as white sugar and has molasses added to make it brown. So still, not a lot of benefit. Moderation is the best way to go and I am a firm believer that cutting things out completely that you love, usually is a big factor in quitting my weight loss journey.0
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Wait, huh? This genuinely confuses me.
Do you seriously think we're all just sitting around eating sugar-laden foods for their health benfefits?
That's a serious question, because if I'm understanding you right, this whole thing is moot. I haven't read the whole thread yet. Nobody's arguing that eating "all the sugar" is good for you.
It tastes nice. If I have calories left over to have a sugary snack, I will. But only if I've met my other dietary needs.
Why don't you just go ahead and eat rat poison. You will live longer. Sugar will kill ya quick.
You don't know that rat poison will kill me.
Everything in moderation, sweetheart.
Its PROCESSED rat poison. Dude, you're screwed.0 -
Just glanced over quickly, but one thing I don't think was mentioned was addictive qualities. Why would someone eat something with no nutritional benefit other than calories (energy)....what about addiction? Smoking, alcohol, and drugs are also addictive. Small amounts won't hurt you, with alcohol (specifically wine), it could can even be beneficial in moderate amounts....the moment you become addicted, it's hard to stop. I would argue that diet sweeteners, although they lack calories (which can be seen as a benefit) can ALSO be addicting...and are probably worse for your body...although they are also processed.
Addiction is just another excuse for self control!! People blame everything else, but themselves!!
Smoking, alcohol and drugs are totally different story!!0 -
Nothing. You'll be fine as long as you're still getting your necessary nutrients and hitting your calorie goals.Hi everyone
I was wondering what if I ate sugar without crossing my calories goal ??
that's great ... thanks alot .0 -
Plantation Unsulphered Blackstrap Molasses:
1 tbsp = 42 calories
%20 calcium
%20 iron
%17 potassium
That is a heck of a lot of nutrition in 42 calories. I use it for baking, I eat it off the spoon, yes I have to be careful because I will crave it, but not as bad as I'd crave something like cookies or cake.
I don't eat white sugar, but I sure as heck see no reason not to eat this type of sugar.
Wow....can I use it like brown sugar in recipes?0 -
Plantation Unsulphered Blackstrap Molasses:
1 tbsp = 42 calories
%20 calcium
%20 iron
%17 potassium
That is a heck of a lot of nutrition in 42 calories. I use it for baking, I eat it off the spoon, yes I have to be careful because I will crave it, but not as bad as I'd crave something like cookies or cake.
I don't eat white sugar, but I sure as heck see no reason not to eat this type of sugar.
Wow....can I use it like brown sugar in recipes?
No. It is expressly forbidden by the cooking gods.0 -
Shipwrecked sailors who ate and drank nothing but sugar and rum for nine days surely went through some of this trauma; the tales they had to tell created a big public relations problem for the sugar pushers. This incident occurred when a vessel carrying a cargo of sugar was shipwrecked in 1793. The five surviving sailors were finally rescued after being marooned for nine days. They were in a wasted condition due to starvation, having consumed nothing but sugar and rum. The eminent French physiologist F. Magendie was inspired by that incident to conduct a series of experiments with animals, the results of which he published in 1816. In the experiments, he fed dogs a diet of sugar or olive oil and water. All the dogs wasted and died. ...
For those who want to read more about this see:
http://www.whale.to/a/dufty.html0 -
And like human caused climate change, for that matter.
Pinko!
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Plantation Unsulphered Blackstrap Molasses:
1 tbsp = 42 calories
%20 calcium
%20 iron
%17 potassium
That is a heck of a lot of nutrition in 42 calories. I use it for baking, I eat it off the spoon, yes I have to be careful because I will crave it, but not as bad as I'd crave something like cookies or cake.
I don't eat white sugar, but I sure as heck see no reason not to eat this type of sugar.
Wow....can I use it like brown sugar in recipes?
No. It is expressly forbidden by the cooking gods.
They will smite you from the heavens above.0 -
Plantation Unsulphered Blackstrap Molasses:
1 tbsp = 42 calories
%20 calcium
%20 iron
%17 potassium
That is a heck of a lot of nutrition in 42 calories. I use it for baking, I eat it off the spoon, yes I have to be careful because I will crave it, but not as bad as I'd crave something like cookies or cake.
I don't eat white sugar, but I sure as heck see no reason not to eat this type of sugar.
Wow....can I use it like brown sugar in recipes?
No. It is expressly forbidden by the cooking gods.
What can I cook with it? I've always wanted to try molasses but it seems yucky.0 -
I eat sugar to irritate you.0
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Plantation Unsulphered Blackstrap Molasses:
1 tbsp = 42 calories
%20 calcium
%20 iron
%17 potassium
That is a heck of a lot of nutrition in 42 calories. I use it for baking, I eat it off the spoon, yes I have to be careful because I will crave it, but not as bad as I'd crave something like cookies or cake.
I don't eat white sugar, but I sure as heck see no reason not to eat this type of sugar.
Wow....can I use it like brown sugar in recipes?
No. It is expressly forbidden by the cooking gods.
What can I cook with it? I've always wanted to try molasses but it seems yucky.
Pretty much any baked goods you like. It goes well in gingerbread and I made a nice date & walnut loaf cake with it in last week.0 -
It's been decided. We all shall now go on the Dr. Oz Sugar & Rum diet.
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Plantation Unsulphered Blackstrap Molasses:
1 tbsp = 42 calories
%20 calcium
%20 iron
%17 potassium
That is a heck of a lot of nutrition in 42 calories. I use it for baking, I eat it off the spoon, yes I have to be careful because I will crave it, but not as bad as I'd crave something like cookies or cake.
I don't eat white sugar, but I sure as heck see no reason not to eat this type of sugar.
Wow....can I use it like brown sugar in recipes?
No. It is expressly forbidden by the cooking gods.
What can I cook with it? I've always wanted to try molasses but it seems yucky.
Sugar. White, processed sugar.
~This has been a public service announcement from the Dominican Republic Sugar Growers Association.~0 -
I use molasses in my red sauces (barbecue, sloppy joe, etc) instead of white or brown sugar. It comes out soooo smooth and it tastes freaking amazing.
I approve of using molasses.0 -
Shipwrecked sailors who ate and drank nothing but sugar and rum for nine days surely went through some of this trauma; the tales they had to tell created a big public relations problem for the sugar pushers. This incident occurred when a vessel carrying a cargo of sugar was shipwrecked in 1793. The five surviving sailors were finally rescued after being marooned for nine days. They were in a wasted condition due to starvation, having consumed nothing but sugar and rum. The eminent French physiologist F. Magendie was inspired by that incident to conduct a series of experiments with animals, the results of which he published in 1816. In the experiments, he fed dogs a diet of sugar or olive oil and water. All the dogs wasted and died. ...
For those who want to read more about this see:
http://www.whale.to/a/dufty.html
Why in God's name would ANYONE possibly want to read more about this? What I just read caused me to have a seizure and pass out.0 -
I eat sugar to irritate you.
I knew it!
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What can I cook with it? I've always wanted to try molasses but it seems yucky.
Definitely not yucky. Improves baked beans. Great in homemade multigrain bread. Lovely used to sweeten a balsamic vinegar/olive oil dressing. Required for good homemade ginger bread or ginger snaps. Good in a dark sweet barbecue sauce. Google "molasses recipes" for more.0
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