GMOs, arsenic, toxins

Some_Watery_Tart

There are many toxic chemicals produced by nature.

But hey! Go gather mushrooms in the woods if you want. :flowerforyou:

elleloch

I agree that organic/smaller produce tastes better, and I do enjoy it on occasion. But honestly, if you're looking to improve the quality of your diet, an apple is always going to be a better choice than a candy bar, whether its GMO or not. KWIM?

Besides. Pretty sure the world would starve without GMOs and modern farming processes.

toughmudderMN

Here is a study by the University of Florida that compares the toxicity of commonly consumed items to that of herbicides, including RoundUp.

"Table 1 demonstrates that herbicides often have higher LD50 values than many commonly used or consumed products. Why is this? Why are chemicals that are so effective on plant species not equally harmful to humans? The reason is two-fold. First, herbicides target highly specific biological or biochemical processes within plants, such as photosynthesis and production of branch-chain amino acids. However, mammals (humans included) do not photosynthesize or produce branch-chain amino acids. Therefore, herbicides that target photosynthesis or branch-chain amino acid production have no place to bind in our bodies and have very little impact."


http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pi170

SunofaBeach14

Find less opinionated friends

LiftAllThePizzas

I have friends who act like I should be in jail because I do not feed my kids 100% organic. Apparently I’m slowly killing them with GMOs :explode:

Choose better friends.

ETA: joffed.

WeepingAngel81

I have a friend who is super crazy about that kind of thing too. When we have BBQ's she will bring her own food for her family to eat separately. She even grounded her daughter because she snuck a can of country time lemonade. It drives me up a wall! She's constantly posting propaganda on her facebook and patting herself on the back for eating healthier than everyone else. To each their own, but those that choose to eat organic aren't any better than myself who chooses to eat what I can afford.
I live in Nebraska so farming is a big deal for us out here. When I do purchase organic it has nothing to do with believing that it is any better for me, and everything to do with supporting local farmers.

Veil5577

Find less opinionated friends

I like you.

odusgolp

Good thing Alcohol kills off all the toxins and brings everything back into perfect balance.

Some_Watery_Tart

Good thing Alcohol kills off all the toxins and brings everything back into perfect balance.

I have yet to meet a problem that alcohol can't fix. :drinker:

climbing_trees

I'm much more worried about the environmental consequences of GMOS and pesticides then I am about any consequence they have on my body.

Hey! I've been looking for a way to describe my opinion on GMOs for so long and you just summed it up perfectly.
Thanks yeah you're so right!!

jigsawxyouth

I have friends who act like I should be in jail because I do not feed my kids 100% organic. Apparently I’m slowly killing them with GMOs :explode:


Saw this on my Google+ feed = http://www.goldsgym.com/article/which-internet-food-rumors-are-true/

Sanctimommies...

just...
Ugh.

During my pregnancy and since I had my son, I've avoided any online forum about motherhood/parenting (Babycenter, more like the epicenter/birth of the Sanctimommy)

If you don't cloth-diaper your kid, you're a bad mom
If you don't breast feed your kid, you're a bad mom
If you don't make your own baby food from fresh, organic fruits and vegetables, you're a bad mom
If you feed your kid rice cereal, you're a bad mom

The fact that some of these moms get really mean (and by mean, I'm talking about wishing death on parents, making comments on how they should get their kids taken away, etc) is what blows my effing mind. Gross.

HanamiDango

But what about the toxins in your couch? o.O They are everywhere. It is like aliens planted all this to slowly kill us off so they can take over the planet once we are all dead. Okay, so yes, I prefer more natural products, but in no way do I force my opinion on others, nor comment on anything. I do not eat clean at all, anyways wearing food all over myself. :laugh:

Just let them know their opinions are not needed. :flowerforyou:

Oh and so this

I have friends who act like I should be in jail because I do not feed my kids 100% organic. Apparently I’m slowly killing them with GMOs :explode:


Saw this on my Google+ feed = http://www.goldsgym.com/article/which-internet-food-rumors-are-true/

Sanctimommies...

just...
Ugh.

During my pregnancy and since I had my son, I've avoided any online forum about motherhood/parenting (Babycenter, more like the epicenter/birth of the Sanctimommy)

If you don't cloth-diaper your kid, you're a bad mom
If you don't breast feed your kid, you're a bad mom
If you don't make your own baby food from fresh, organic fruits and vegetables, you're a bad mom
If you feed your kid rice cereal, you're a bad mom

The fact that some of these moms get really mean (and by mean, I'm talking about wishing death on parents, making comments on how they should get their kids taken away, etc) is what blows my effing mind. Gross.

shoneybabes

Do your own research. The only way to combat anyone is to do your own research and make sure you know who is behind the studies.

If you are interested in feeding your children healthy nutritious food and do not know what is true or not then start looking.

The answers may surprise you

Frayde

GMOs are just modified in the lab. Before that, farmers and scientists modified things in greenhouses. And with radiation and carcinogens. Only those weren't regulated. But whether they're GMOs modified by manipulating genetics or by manipulating with radiation and carcinogens, by the time it gets to the table, it's just organic material! The only problem is if you put pesticides and fertilizers on it. Take BIO 101 and you'll learn all this.

randomtai

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toughmudderMN

The reason production of food has gotten more economical, but food prices remain, or are more expensive is because of a few different factors.

1) population growth. This is exponential.
2) The land is running out of nutrients. We are over-farming. We are going to run out in about 50 years, they are predicting. I don't believe this at all, but that's what I just read. The good thing is, we can eat insects and bugs. So, we wont die, we just have to adapt.
3) Government subsidies have made your food cheap. You aren't paying the full cost. If you did, you'd be shocked at what it costs.

I don't think the food is bad as it is today. It's mostly fear mongering. But, in all this, there is a small glimmer of truth. And, there are small areas of concern. But, I leave all that to the scientists to figure out.

The land inst running our of nutrients. Farming is significantly more technologically advanced than most realize. We test the macro and micro nutrients after every crop and replace them. We also take advantage of rotational crops to naturally replenish some nutrients naturally. For example Soybeans plants are natural nitrogen producers and corn plants are huge nitrogen users.

k8blujay2

I have friends who act like I should be in jail because I do not feed my kids 100% organic. Apparently I’m slowly killing them with GMOs :explode:


Saw this on my Google+ feed = http://www.goldsgym.com/article/which-internet-food-rumors-are-true/

Sanctimommies...

just...
Ugh.

During my pregnancy and since I had my son, I've avoided any online forum about motherhood/parenting (Babycenter, more like the epicenter/birth of the Sanctimommy)

If you don't cloth-diaper your kid, you're a bad mom
If you don't breast feed your kid, you're a bad mom
If you don't make your own baby food from fresh, organic fruits and vegetables, you're a bad mom
If you feed your kid rice cereal, you're a bad mom

The fact that some of these moms get really mean (and by mean, I'm talking about wishing death on parents, making comments on how they should get their kids taken away, etc) is what blows my effing mind. Gross.

I have found some of my closest friends from Babycenter... we all do what we want and don't care about what others say or do...

Anyway... I want to garden for the satisfaction of doing so... not because I'm worried about roundup... My parents house is practically in the middle of west texas cotton fields... If I'm going to worry about it at anytime, it's when the center pivot would be going while I was outside enjoying the country air not when I'm ingesting minute amounts...

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CrunchyDad

Great information, thanks for posting as I do enjoy seeing all sides of the story.

Regardless, you can post all the studies you want to and it doesn't change the fact that I feel 100x better since I've switched to organic foods, and cut out processed foods (for the most part). That's the only evidence I need.

The overproduction of GMO crops like corn and soy are not necessary, and they do not help drive down the cost of producing foods other than those that are corn and soy based, which is virtually everything that's processed, and junk food.

Maybe if they focused all their efforts on finding a sustainable and economical way to farm real produce, not just stuff that you can process into junk, it would give America some healthier options they can actually afford.

mantium999

Good thing Alcohol kills off all the toxins and brings everything back into perfect balance.

I have yet to meet a problem that alcohol can't fix. :drinker:

I find I get sick more frequently when I reduce my weekly beer consumption. Coincidence? I think not.

doorki

Great information, thanks for posting as I do enjoy seeing all sides of the story.

Regardless, you can post all the studies you want to and it doesn't change the fact that I feel 100x better since I've switched to organic foods, and cut out processed foods (for the most part). That's the only evidence I need.

The overproduction of GMO crops like corn and soy are not necessary, and they do not help drive down the cost of producing foods other than those that are corn and soy based, which is virtually everything that's processed, and junk food.

Maybe if they focused all their efforts on finding a sustainable and economical way to farm real produce, not just stuff that you can process into junk, it would give America some healthier options they can actually afford.

Translation: thanks for the info but I am going to believe my anecdotal evidence anyway.

stephanieluvspb

Good thing Alcohol kills off all the toxins and brings everything back into perfect balance.

I have yet to meet a problem that alcohol can't fix. :drinker:

AMEN!!!

CrunchyDad

Translation: thanks for the info but I am going to believe my anecdotal evidence anyway.

I have not posted any evidence, nor have I made any claims that require it.

For you to assume any evidence I know of is anecdotal simply because you disagree with what I've said here is quite infantile.

doorki

Translation: thanks for the info but I am going to believe my anecdotal evidence anyway.

I have not posted any evidence, nor have I made any claims that require it.

For you to assume any evidence I know of is anecdotal simply because you disagree with what I've said here is quite infantile.

from your above post that I quoted:

"Regardless, you can post all the studies you want to and it doesn't change the fact that I feel 100x better since I've switched to organic foods, and cut out processed foods (for the most part). That's the only evidence I need. "

CrunchyDad

You're referring to the fact that I feel better? Yeah, that's about the only direct and true evidence you can get.

Not saying it's true for everyone, just works for me. Case closed.

odusgolp

Eat whatever you want.

RGv2

Great information, thanks for posting as I do enjoy seeing all sides of the story.

Regardless, you can post all the studies you want to and it doesn't change the fact that I feel 100x better since I've switched to organic foods, and cut out processed foods (for the most part). That's the only evidence I need.

The overproduction of GMO crops like corn and soy are not necessary, and they do not help drive down the cost of producing foods other than those that are corn and soy based, which is virtually everything that's processed, and junk food.

Maybe if they focused all their efforts on finding a sustainable and economical way to farm real produce, not just stuff that you can process into junk, it would give America some healthier options they can actually afford.

Translation: thanks for the info but I am going to believe my anecdotal evidence anyway.

I haven't figured out if it's ok to eat the Zestar apples from the tree in my backyard yet or not.... You know, because they're a GMO.

Edit for typo as I try to type over my Qdoba burrito.

leahraskie

<.< GMO's don't actually hurt people, the genes inserted to stop cross pollination hurt bees though. That's only like Monsanto though. Genes are inserted into plants and other organisms all the time, it's called horizontal gene transfer and it's actually a natural process among bacteria and viruses which can then transfer it to plants and animals. We've just found out how to do it manually, we've been doing selective breeding for a long time, so why can't we genetically pick the traits we want expressed?

And the amount of pollutants that come from the water and air kinda render organic useless, if organic uses the water supply it's infected with all kinds of crap. It's cool about reducing the amount of pesticides and chemicals via organic, but GMO's also help limit the amount of pesticides and fertilizers we have to use on crops as well.

>.> Just my undergrad biochemistry two cents.

4legsRbetterthan2

The overproduction of GMO crops like corn and soy are not necessary, and they do not help drive down the cost of producing foods other than those that are corn and soy based, which is virtually everything that's processed, and junk food.

Well its not as simple as just plant whatever you want where ever you want and we will magically have the same food source. The reason america has such a corn based diet is because we have the corn belt (most of the upper middle of the country) that has great conditions for growing corn, cooler temps, sunshine, water, and nitrogen in the soil. You can't just decide you are gonna throw a bunch or orange trees out there and have good results. Citrus grows better in Florida and California, lots and lots of sun, much warmer, totally different soil types.