Should People Be Allowed To Smoke In Public ?
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I quit smoking almost 17 months ago. I don't have to worry about smokers rights anymore, but after 45 years of smoking, I still tend to have a lot of sympathy for those who haven't quit yet.
So maybe the non-smokers screwed up. They knew they screwed up when they asked for smoking and non-smoking areas, deciding that it didn't really help as much as they thought it might. So they sent smokers outside, but now seem to realize that maybe they want to go outside too.
I'd give non-smokers one more stab at it. If they want new regulations restricting smoking to indoor places only, then I think smokers ought to go along with it. Give the non-smokers the outdoors. Sure, it'll suck in the warmer months, but it'll look like a pretty good trade off come November.
Unless I misunderstood and non-smokers are saying they want the indoors and the outdoors and every other place in between. If that's the case, I'd just tell them to shut up.
It sucks being a non-smoker. My group has a bad attitude.
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Sadly enough, I think a lot of this comes down to attitude.
I noticed a couple cigar smokers on here who have advocated "smoking courtesy", which is MUCH appreciated. Unfortunately, I personally have never met a considerate smoker, including my former best friend. I think that fact probably leads to the people that someone referred to as "militant" non-smokers (which yes, can be a bit ridiculous in their own way as well, but...). It's a rock and a hard place. Those who do "will be damned if anyone is going to tell them they can't", and those who don't are determined to squelch those who do.
Yes, we can all get along, but we have to be grown-ups first, and therein lies the rub. I'm not a smoker, but I'd much rather see them have places of their own to gather seperately and enjoy each other than to have someone tell them they "absolutely can't" do something. No one comes to my home and puts a cigarette in my mouth, and I don't go to theirs and try to take it out. Yes, public is different, but again, there are many definitions to "public". So until we come up with a good way for everyone to communicate and compromise (yeah, umm, I'm not holding my breath, but...) hopefully the few people on both sides of the coin that actually try to be courteous to each other will give hope to all.0 -
Sadly enough, I think a lot of this comes down to attitude.
I noticed a couple cigar smokers on here who have advocated "smoking courtesy", which is MUCH appreciated. Unfortunately, I personally have never met a considerate smoker, including my former best friend. I think that fact probably leads to the people that someone referred to as "militant" non-smokers (which yes, can be a bit ridiculous in their own way as well, but...). It's a rock and a hard place. Those who do "will be damned if anyone is going to tell them they can't", and those who don't are determined to squelch those who do.
Yes, we can all get along, but we have to be grown-ups first, and therein lies the rub. I'm not a smoker, but I'd much rather see them have places of their own to gather seperately and enjoy each other than to have someone tell them they "absolutely can't" do something. No one comes to my home and puts a cigarette in my mouth, and I don't go to theirs and try to take it out. Yes, public is different, but again, there are many definitions to "public". So until we come up with a good way for everyone to communicate and compromise (yeah, umm, I'm not holding my breath, but...) hopefully the few people on both sides of the coin that actually try to be courteous to each other will give hope to all.
You probably won't "meet" a considerate smoker because they are trying to be off the beaten path so they can smoke in peace without bothering others.
Not all smokers have the "I don't care" attitude. Some smokers make an effort to go around a building, walk away from people, not light up next to someone if there's even a hint that it might bother another person. If they are smoking in an area that does have foot traffic, they try to move as far away as possible.
These are the smokers that you won't meet because they are trying to avoid you as much as you are trying to avoid them...and it's not to be rude, it's trying to be as respectful as possible.0 -
My state already has regulations in place to curb public smoking. All restuarants, workplaces, business(public or private), and taverns are smoke free. I very much believe that public smoking should not be allowed except in specifically designated areas away from everyone else. Unlike other vices like drinking and drugs, smoking affects the people around the person smoking. An alcoholic and drug abuser is only(physically) hurting themselves but a smoker is harming everyone around them. You've never heard of second-hand liver cancer from being around an alcoholic but second-hand smoke can cause lung cancer in non-smokers. I had a co-worker who died due to lung cancer and didn't smoke a day in her life but had relatives that did.0
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I smoked when I was a teenager and quit successfully. Does it bother me when people around me smoke? Sometimes. Sometimes it makes me crave it, sometimes it makes me ill, but either I shift where I'm standing or their smoke break ends and it's not a big deal. The ONE thing that makes me a little nutty is at outdoor concerts. Yes there's etiquette of blowing smoke up, but I'm taller than most everyone, so it goes right in my face.
At Riot Fest over the weekend we were packed in like sardines and the kid next to me was smoking (alternating weed and normal tobacco) and it made me so ill I had to leave. Which was a bummer because I was soooo close to the stage. But hey, if you wanna smoke go for it, I guess is what I"m trying to say. I can move if it bothers me.0 -
I'm glad about our law that forbids smoking in bars, clubs, and restaurants these days. It works perfectly for those of us, who don't smoke and don't want to inhale it passively. The smokers have their spots outside next to the entrance.
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I do wish people would clean up their cigarette butts, though, rather than just throw them all over and forcing tax payers to pay someone to clean up after their lazy *kitten*.
<<<Confirmed non-smoker here. I go to bars (in OK people are still allowed to smoke in them) If the smoke gets to be too much I step outside for a few minutes...or simply leave. My choice.
I do hate seeing cigarette butts thrown on the ground. Wish more establishments provided outdoor ashtrays, then maybe there wouldn't be so many on the ground.
But why should I have to choose to either stay or leave because the smoke is so bad that I can't have a good time? That costs the establishment money. It's just as easy for a smoker to go outside and have their smoke.
I'm glad they passed that law everywhere as well. I no longer have to wake up feeling like I smoked 4 cartons of cigarettes, I don't have to put my clothes in another room when I get home because they reek of smoke, and I don't have to jump in the shower before bed because the stench is in my hair and skin. Not only that but when it's crowded -- be it a club or a bar -- I don't have to play "dodge the lit cigarette" in the hopes that I don't get a hole burned into my clothing or a nice, round burn mark on my skin from someone's cigarette. The law hasn't stopped people from smoking and it certainly hasn't hurt any of the businesses.0 -
Sadly enough, I think a lot of this comes down to attitude.
I noticed a couple cigar smokers on here who have advocated "smoking courtesy", which is MUCH appreciated. Unfortunately, I personally have never met a considerate smoker, including my former best friend. I think that fact probably leads to the people that someone referred to as "militant" non-smokers (which yes, can be a bit ridiculous in their own way as well, but...). It's a rock and a hard place. Those who do "will be damned if anyone is going to tell them they can't", and those who don't are determined to squelch those who do.
Yes, we can all get along, but we have to be grown-ups first, and therein lies the rub. I'm not a smoker, but I'd much rather see them have places of their own to gather seperately and enjoy each other than to have someone tell them they "absolutely can't" do something. No one comes to my home and puts a cigarette in my mouth, and I don't go to theirs and try to take it out. Yes, public is different, but again, there are many definitions to "public". So until we come up with a good way for everyone to communicate and compromise (yeah, umm, I'm not holding my breath, but...) hopefully the few people on both sides of the coin that actually try to be courteous to each other will give hope to all.
You probably won't "meet" a considerate smoker because they are trying to be off the beaten path so they can smoke in peace without bothering others.
Not all smokers have the "I don't care" attitude. Some smokers make an effort to go around a building, walk away from people, not light up next to someone if there's even a hint that it might bother another person. If they are smoking in an area that does have foot traffic, they try to move as far away as possible.
These are the smokers that you won't meet because they are trying to avoid you as much as you are trying to avoid them...and it's not to be rude, it's trying to be as respectful as possible.
Then "hello" courteous smoker.... nice to finally "meet" you! :flowerforyou:0 -
Sadly enough, I think a lot of this comes down to attitude.
I noticed a couple cigar smokers on here who have advocated "smoking courtesy", which is MUCH appreciated. Unfortunately, I personally have never met a considerate smoker, including my former best friend. I think that fact probably leads to the people that someone referred to as "militant" non-smokers (which yes, can be a bit ridiculous in their own way as well, but...). It's a rock and a hard place. Those who do "will be damned if anyone is going to tell them they can't", and those who don't are determined to squelch those who do.
Yes, we can all get along, but we have to be grown-ups first, and therein lies the rub. I'm not a smoker, but I'd much rather see them have places of their own to gather seperately and enjoy each other than to have someone tell them they "absolutely can't" do something. No one comes to my home and puts a cigarette in my mouth, and I don't go to theirs and try to take it out. Yes, public is different, but again, there are many definitions to "public". So until we come up with a good way for everyone to communicate and compromise (yeah, umm, I'm not holding my breath, but...) hopefully the few people on both sides of the coin that actually try to be courteous to each other will give hope to all.
You probably won't "meet" a considerate smoker because they are trying to be off the beaten path so they can smoke in peace without bothering others.
Not all smokers have the "I don't care" attitude. Some smokers make an effort to go around a building, walk away from people, not light up next to someone if there's even a hint that it might bother another person. If they are smoking in an area that does have foot traffic, they try to move as far away as possible.
These are the smokers that you won't meet because they are trying to avoid you as much as you are trying to avoid them...and it's not to be rude, it's trying to be as respectful as possible.
Then "hello" courteous smoker.... nice to finally "meet" you! :flowerforyou:
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I'm glad about our law that forbids smoking in bars, clubs, and restaurants these days. It works perfectly for those of us, who don't smoke and don't want to inhale it passively. The smokers have their spots outside next to the entrance.
ETA
I do wish people would clean up their cigarette butts, though, rather than just throw them all over and forcing tax payers to pay someone to clean up after their lazy *kitten*.
<<<Confirmed non-smoker here. I go to bars (in OK people are still allowed to smoke in them) If the smoke gets to be too much I step outside for a few minutes...or simply leave. My choice.
I do hate seeing cigarette butts thrown on the ground. Wish more establishments provided outdoor ashtrays, then maybe there wouldn't be so many on the ground.
But why should I have to choose to either stay or leave because the smoke is so bad that I can't have a good time? That costs the establishment money. It's just as easy for a smoker to go outside and have their smoke.
I'm glad they passed that law everywhere as well. I no longer have to wake up feeling like I smoked 4 cartons of cigarettes, I don't have to put my clothes in another room when I get home because they reek of smoke, and I don't have to jump in the shower before bed because the stench is in my hair and skin. Not only that but when it's crowded -- be it a club or a bar -- I don't have to play "dodge the lit cigarette" in the hopes that I don't get a hole burned into my clothing or a nice, round burn mark on my skin from someone's cigarette. The law hasn't stopped people from smoking and it certainly hasn't hurt any of the businesses.
Because you are in an establishment that allows smoking. Maybe they make better money allowing smoking in their establishment, go someplace else. If enough people start spending their money some place else then maybe they will adjust to serve their customers. I'm a smoker but I Idon't like going places where they smoke inside. So you know, I don't go to those places. Because the world doesn't revolve around me.
ETA: If my amazing husband reads this post... that last line is a lie.
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Tough call. If I had my preference I would say smoking only in designated areas anywhere, but that really is not realistic. Many smokers are considerate, but there are those who have little regards for anyone else and will light up in an elevator going 70 floors up without a second thought. Same with many things in life.
The questions becomes/is does someone smoking endanger the health or infringe on the non-smokers rights.0 -
Sadly enough, I think a lot of this comes down to attitude.
I noticed a couple cigar smokers on here who have advocated "smoking courtesy", which is MUCH appreciated. Unfortunately, I personally have never met a considerate smoker, including my former best friend. I think that fact probably leads to the people that someone referred to as "militant" non-smokers (which yes, can be a bit ridiculous in their own way as well, but...). It's a rock and a hard place. Those who do "will be damned if anyone is going to tell them they can't", and those who don't are determined to squelch those who do.
Yes, we can all get along, but we have to be grown-ups first, and therein lies the rub. I'm not a smoker, but I'd much rather see them have places of their own to gather seperately and enjoy each other than to have someone tell them they "absolutely can't" do something. No one comes to my home and puts a cigarette in my mouth, and I don't go to theirs and try to take it out. Yes, public is different, but again, there are many definitions to "public". So until we come up with a good way for everyone to communicate and compromise (yeah, umm, I'm not holding my breath, but...) hopefully the few people on both sides of the coin that actually try to be courteous to each other will give hope to all.
You probably won't "meet" a considerate smoker because they are trying to be off the beaten path so they can smoke in peace without bothering others.
Not all smokers have the "I don't care" attitude. Some smokers make an effort to go around a building, walk away from people, not light up next to someone if there's even a hint that it might bother another person. If they are smoking in an area that does have foot traffic, they try to move as far away as possible.
These are the smokers that you won't meet because they are trying to avoid you as much as you are trying to avoid them...and it's not to be rude, it's trying to be as respectful as possible.
This 100%, I am a smoker and I make sure not to light up around people that aren't smoking. i don't smake in my house or car because I have kids and smoking is my addiction not theirs so I keep it away from them.0 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_messages
Here's just a tid bit to sum that website up:
Smoking can kill
Smoking causes lung cancer
Protect children: do not let them breathe your smoke
Smoking can cause a slow and painful death
Smoking can slow blood flow and causes impotence(just in case you didn't know that already guys)
In case you didn't get that last line Smoking can cause your man parts to not work....super unattractive
There's literally pages and pages and pages and pages of the warnings and damages smoking can cause. Not just to yourself but others as well. Second hand smoke is just as bad.
Have you ever smoked inside of a care of room? And have seen it transform in color because of all the toxins in the smoke? Think about what it does to our world, our environment, THE CHILDREN.0 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_messages
Here's just a tid bit to sum that website up:
Smoking can kill
Smoking causes lung cancer
Protect children: do not let them breathe your smoke
Smoking can cause a slow and painful death
Smoking can slow blood flow and causes impotence(just in case you didn't know that already guys)
In case you didn't get that last line Smoking can cause your man parts to not work....super unattractive
There's literally pages and pages and pages and pages of the warnings and damages smoking can cause. Not just to yourself but others as well. Second hand smoke is just as bad.
Have you ever smoked inside of a care of room? And have seen it transform in color because of all the toxins in the smoke? Think about what it does to our world, our environment, THE CHILDREN.
"WON'T SOMEBODY PUH-LEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"
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LOL its all I can think about when I come back to this topic! 0
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LOL its all I can think about when I come back to this topic!
Funny, because I think the same when at the market and I see all the moms pushing shopping carts of Soda and Junk food around with there 3 - 5 obese children in tow, all trying to beg for candy bars....
Or when I see the young mother with kids in the back seat going 60 on the freeway trying to text and drive ...0 -
LOL its all I can think about when I come back to this topic!
Funny, because I think the same when at the market and I see all the moms pushing shopping carts of Soda and Junk food around with there 3 - 5 obese children in tow, all trying to beg for candy bars....
Or when I see the young mother with kids in the back seat going 60 on the freeway trying to text and drive ...
They had a topic about that a few months ago. Whether or not obese children should be taken away from their parents.
And in my honest opinion they should. HA but apparently I feel like the government should be MORE involved because we are surrounded by ignorant people.0 -
My state already has regulations in place to curb public smoking. All restuarants, workplaces, business(public or private), and taverns are smoke free. I very much believe that public smoking should not be allowed except in specifically designated areas away from everyone else. Unlike other vices like drinking and drugs, smoking affects the people around the person smoking. An alcoholic and drug abuser is only(physically) hurting themselves but a smoker is harming everyone around them. You've never heard of second-hand liver cancer from being around an alcoholic but second-hand smoke can cause lung cancer in non-smokers. I had a co-worker who died due to lung cancer and didn't smoke a day in her life but had relatives that did.
Please tell the families that have lost someone to a drunk driver or drug related violence how those vices do not physically hurt anyone other than the alcoholic or drug abuser... I am pretty sure being hurt,disfigured or dead is being physically hurt.
for those worried about second hand smoke you may want to include some respirator masks in yours and your kids wardrobes.
Ignorance is Bliss and I see many Blissful people around here0 -
Not to mention children having to eat in the smokey sections of restaurants just because their parents don't want to quit and save their own lives.:huh: :noway::grumble: Their poor little lungs should never have to deal with that, even when their immune systems grow.NOOOOOOO!!!
I'd rather my Children, my Grandchildren or anybody Else's children not have to be exposed to the smoke, just from walking on a public sidewalk! Thank You Very Much!0 -
My state already has regulations in place to curb public smoking. All restuarants, workplaces, business(public or private), and taverns are smoke free. I very much believe that public smoking should not be allowed except in specifically designated areas away from everyone else. Unlike other vices like drinking and drugs, smoking affects the people around the person smoking. An alcoholic and drug abuser is only(physically) hurting themselves but a smoker is harming everyone around them. You've never heard of second-hand liver cancer from being around an alcoholic but second-hand smoke can cause lung cancer in non-smokers. I had a co-worker who died due to lung cancer and didn't smoke a day in her life but had relatives that did.
Please tell the families that have lost someone to a drunk driver or drug related violence how those vices do not physically hurt anyone other than the alcoholic or drug abuser... I am pretty sure being hurt,disfigured or dead is being physically hurt.
for those worried about second hand smoke you may want to include some respirator masks in yours and your kids wardrobes.
Ignorance is Bliss and I see many Blissful people around here
Obviously you don't remember (or care) about flying several years ago when airplanes had "non smoking sections" right in front of the smokers. Tell people again how they can just move when you're on a full international flight. It was hell. In a democracy the majority rules, and since smokers are the minority (for now at least) the laws are protecting those who have had to put up with second hand smoke for years. You guys talk about smog, but when measures are taken to lessen it, you don't have all these passionate people saying it's their right to produce smog. I can't agree with your arguments--sorry about your mom, but at least (since she didn't smoke), she won't have people telling her it was her own fault she got the disease---as happens with smokers. By the way, my dad died from emphysema (a horrible way to die) but he never smoked much. That doesn't mean I think smoking is healthy and "relaxing", it is however an addiction and not necessary to live---as eating is, another argument that doesn't compare. Just my opinion, of course, but this thread has some of the strangest arguments I've ever seen. 0 -
Sorry to go off topic a little, but is it still legal to use your mobile phone and drive in the US??0
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Sorry to go off topic a little, but is it still legal to use your mobile phone and drive in the US??
I think it depends on the state/city/county. Where I live, it's not. People do it anyway, and I honestly don't know if many of them get caught, but in theory, it's not allowed here.0 -
I feel people should be able to choose if they want to smoke or not... In designated areas, I just wish that being a runner with asthma that if you are a smoker and go to cheer on a friend or loved one at a race, please refrain from smoking during the race, you never know if you will cause an asthma attack.... Have had that happen...:-(0
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Yes but in designated areas, same in bars and restaurants. I always sat in the smoking area to avoid people with their obnoxious kids so now we try to sit near the bar so they can't have the kids around. I'm sick of all this anti smoking crap, just another politically correct tool to crush personal freedom.
I'm sick of people that label all kids as obnoxious.0 -
Sorry to go off topic a little, but is it still legal to use your mobile phone and drive in the US??
I think it depends on the state/city/county. Where I live, it's not. People do it anyway, and I honestly don't know if many of them get caught, but in theory, it's not allowed here.
Thank you.
I just kinda assumed that it had been banned in the US, as it had here in the UK. It seems ludicrous that it hasn't. Doesn't mean that some people don't do it still, but at least it has been reduced drastically.0 -
Absolutely there are other fish to fry but this is what you responded to in the topic.
Yes drugs are outlawed. But people still get them. I highly doubt kids would smoke if they didn't already have them prepackaged and handed to them like candy. You don't see a lot of 14yrs old who can roll a zig zag.
I really think if they stopped making cigarettes that would solve the problem. Which has nothing to do with the government.
Yes, because abandoning production of an item that puritanical society disapproves of worked so well during prohibition. I am sick of being 'nanny-stated' by the government who think that they know what they are doing when in actual fact there are a heck of a lot of other problems out there they should be looking into (like the appalling state of our badly funded NHS and deplorable education system). You can choose not to smoke and not be around those that smoke but dictating to others is always a poor move when it comes to the freedom to choose that everyone has a right to.
Guess there is a good question to be had here; do you fancy paying more in taxes? If cigarettes, alcohol, fast-food and everything else bad for a person were banned then the general populace would be paying much higher taxes...
Oh, I am a non-smoker, have always been a non-smoker.0 -
I am all for freedom and for the government staying out of your choices, but when the consequences of your choice are put on other people who didn't have any say in the matter then those people should be protected. You want to smoke fine. But everyone else around you shouldn't be forced to breathe in your smoke. You want to get drunk, fine but don't get in a car and potentially endanger other people's lives.
Edit: I should be clear that I am talking about public places. In your own home, friends house, etc it's the person's rules and if I want to be there I will suck it up and ignore it or say sorry I'd love to come to your party but can't stand the smoke. Businesses often have their employees to think of even if the patrons don't mind.
mine will be the nth +1 on your post, it seems0 -
Absolutely there are other fish to fry but this is what you responded to in the topic.
Yes drugs are outlawed. But people still get them. I highly doubt kids would smoke if they didn't already have them prepackaged and handed to them like candy. You don't see a lot of 14yrs old who can roll a zig zag.
I really think if they stopped making cigarettes that would solve the problem. Which has nothing to do with the government.
Yes, because abandoning production of an item that puritanical society disapproves of worked so well during prohibition. I am sick of being 'nanny-stated' by the government who think that they know what they are doing when in actual fact there are a heck of a lot of other problems out there they should be looking into (like the appalling state of our badly funded NHS and deplorable education system). You can choose not to smoke and not be around those that smoke but dictating to others is always a poor move when it comes to the freedom to choose that everyone has a right to.
Guess there is a good question to be had here; do you fancy paying more in taxes? If cigarettes, alcohol, fast-food and everything else bad for a person were banned then the general populace would be paying much higher taxes...
Oh, I am a non-smoker, have always been a non-smoker.
I date a smoker. And unfortunately for him he knows exactly how I feel.
And being in a state full of smokers its hard to "get away from". I literally get bombarded with smoke while sitting in traffic. Its disgusting. I can just get out of my car and walk away. Or going into a movie theater or restaurant. Why should I have to walk away or change MY life because someone else wants to kill themselves in public???
And I would absolutely agree to pay more if it meant not being subjected to that awful smell.0 -
Absolutely there are other fish to fry but this is what you responded to in the topic.
Yes drugs are outlawed. But people still get them. I highly doubt kids would smoke if they didn't already have them prepackaged and handed to them like candy. You don't see a lot of 14yrs old who can roll a zig zag.
I really think if they stopped making cigarettes that would solve the problem. Which has nothing to do with the government.
Yes, because abandoning production of an item that puritanical society disapproves of worked so well during prohibition. I am sick of being 'nanny-stated' by the government who think that they know what they are doing when in actual fact there are a heck of a lot of other problems out there they should be looking into (like the appalling state of our badly funded NHS and deplorable education system). You can choose not to smoke and not be around those that smoke but dictating to others is always a poor move when it comes to the freedom to choose that everyone has a right to.
Guess there is a good question to be had here; do you fancy paying more in taxes? If cigarettes, alcohol, fast-food and everything else bad for a person were banned then the general populace would be paying much higher taxes...
Oh, I am a non-smoker, have always been a non-smoker.
I date a smoker. And unfortunately for him he knows exactly how I feel.
And being in a state full of smokers its hard to "get away from". I literally get bombarded with smoke while sitting in traffic. Its disgusting. I can just get out of my car and walk away. Or going into a movie theater or restaurant. Why should I have to walk away or change MY life because someone else wants to kill themselves in public???
And I would absolutely agree to pay more if it meant not being subjected to that awful smell.
So your man's parts don't work? That sucks.0 -
It'd probably be more humane to put 'em out before it gets that far...0
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I live in what USED to be a free nation. If I am outside in public I will do what I want. If someone doesn't like it, then they can move to another area and exercise their right to choose NOT to smoke. Call me a "jerk" but Someones right to NOT do something does not trump my right TO do something....I don't blow smoke at people, but If they are concerned that my cigarette smoke is going to harm them, then they should remove themselves from my presence.
Yeah...Yeah.....smoking is bad for you, but so are big mac's, donuts and soda....people still do it.
^ Right here ! I will not force my issue on some one and am considerate when I smoke. But I will also not have other peoples issued forced on me.0
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