If you think you gained muscle... Read this.

End6ame

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

I understand what your saying but a lb is the same as a lb...for example what weighs more a lb of feathers or a lb of steele? Obviously they are the same. However the mass of feathers is much greater...just as the mass of fat is much greater then the mass of muscle. A fat and muscular person may both weigh 200 lbs but obviously the mass of the "fat" person is much greater.

See my post at the top of the page. Weight has to be the variable, not the constant.

123456654321

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

1 lb = 1 lb, 1lb of fat will be larger than 1lb of muscle...

That is with anything...duh. A pound of feathers weigh the same as a pound of bricks but they are clearly not the same. When people use that analogy they are just over simplifying things. 1lb of fat takes up more space then 1lb of muscle. So it is correct to say that muscle weighs more then fat PER VOLUME.

**My bad, I'm too slow. Someone already said pretty much the same exact thing above me;P Sorry for the repeat.

ladyhawk00

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HoLLyZ82

Yeah.... I've heard people throw around the "you've probably gained muscle" a little too much around here.

Anyway, I am well aware that it's nearly impossible to gain muscle mass while on a calorie deficit, but is it is it possible to tone/gain strengthen your muscles while on a calorie deficit?

All toning refers to is muscle visibility, in other words the shrinking of body fat. And yes you can gain strength through the recruitment of additional muscle fibers, but this is limited.

IM ON A MAJOR CALORIE DEFICIT AND LOOK AT THE MUSCLE IVE GAINED I ONLY HAVE 1250 CAL/ DAY

End6ame

Yeah.... I've heard people throw around the "you've probably gained muscle" a little too much around here.

Anyway, I am well aware that it's nearly impossible to gain muscle mass while on a calorie deficit, but is it is it possible to tone/gain strengthen your muscles while on a calorie deficit?

All toning refers to is muscle visibility, in other words the shrinking of body fat. And yes you can gain strength through the recruitment of additional muscle fibers, but this is limited.

IM ON A MAJOR CALORIE DEFICIT AND LOOK AT THE MUSCLE IVE GAINED I ONLY HAVE 1250 CAL/ DAY

Are you being sarcastic? Just because you can see it now doesn’t mean that you gained it.

HoLLyZ82

touche

123456654321

Yeah.... I've heard people throw around the "you've probably gained muscle" a little too much around here.

Anyway, I am well aware that it's nearly impossible to gain muscle mass while on a calorie deficit, but is it is it possible to tone/gain strengthen your muscles while on a calorie deficit?

All toning refers to is muscle visibility, in other words the shrinking of body fat. And yes you can gain strength through the recruitment of additional muscle fibers, but this is limited.

Gotcha.

HoLLyZ82

by no means did i mean to come off sarcastic. i was seriously stating that what was said was possible. thats all.

therobinator

Good post.

Bump.

People are more lilkely than not experiencing salt/water weight issues, rather than muscle gain.

vypeters

Nope. A lb of anything weighs a lb.

One pound of butter weighs 1 lb
One pound of feathers weighs 1 lb
One pound of muscle weighs 1 lb
One pound of fat weighs 1 lb

That's what a pound means. A pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat. It just takes up less space (inches).

nickyevans

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

No no no no no - a pound of fat and a pound of muscle will always weight the same ONE POUND, it may take up less room but it weighs exactly the same. Just as a pound of lead and a pound of feathers weigh one pound but take up vastly different amounts of room.

TrainerRobin

by no means did i mean to come off sarcastic. i was seriously stating that what was said was possible. thats all.

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TrainerRobin

by no means did i mean to come off sarcastic. i was seriously stating that what was said was possible. thats all.

Looking good and it's clear you've been working hard. Yes, opposed to the old gym wisdom that you can't gain muscle while losing fat, we now know differently, but as the OP noted, it's not the most effective way for folks to dramatically add bulk/strength.

Good "trainer 101" information and glad the OP stated it, as its a good reminder to folks (or primer to others) about how "volume" is important. We trainers may break up and vary routines over time, but we don't lose sight of volume. Every day, after I finish training my clients, I enter all of their lifting data (reps/weight/sets) into a system I created that kicks out a volume number. Then I know where to set the next workout's numbers need to be. For those of you who aren't familiar with this, it's simple.

Volume (total pounds lifted) = weight (of what you're lifting) x repetitions (how many times you moved that weight in a set) x sets. E.g., If you lift 10 pounds ten times, rest, and then do that same thing two more times, the math is like this (10 x 10 x 3 = 300 pounds). Since you want to keep improving your volume (the 300 pound number), then you can up any of the elements (weight, reps or sets). The point is that you want to slowly but consistently push that volume number up. It makes a big difference.

The only thing I'd have to disagree with here is the notion that lifting a lighter weight for many repetitions yields much in the way of results. Generally speaking, without getting overly complicated, pushing harder for the average person, results in better results (building or retaining lean muscle mass, and building strength). But that's kind of the rule that fits most things in life, isn't it?

Good post, OP. Thanks!

bmontgomery87

thanks for the post!

Peep_chic

Thanks for the post! I was wondering about that. Now I just have to find out what setting I should put (range in carbs, calories etc.)so I can tone a bit. I always eat back my calories after workout. Is that enough?

anubis609

You, sir, have made my day. That is all.

End6ame

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

No no no no no - a pound of fat and a pound of muscle will always weight the same ONE POUND, it may take up less room but it weighs exactly the same. Just as a pound of lead and a pound of feathers weigh one pound but take up vastly different amounts of room.

STOP THIS! Of course it does, because you are comparing measurements of weight against measurements of weight. You need to have both a variable and a constant. i.e. comparing the weight of two volumes/areas, etc…

bmontgomery87

Just because you can see it now doesn’t mean that you gained it.

agreed.

I did gain a bit of muscle while cutting fat when i FIRST started lifting. For the first year or so, your body is able to do this.
After that, unless you're using an anabolic compound, it's pretty much one or the other. You aren't going to do both at once.

erickirb

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

No no no no no - a pound of fat and a pound of muscle will always weight the same ONE POUND, it may take up less room but it weighs exactly the same. Just as a pound of lead and a pound of feathers weigh one pound but take up vastly different amounts of room.

I beleive he missread the "a lb of muscle weighs the same as a lb of fat." and thought the person said that muscle and fat weight the same. Which they don't muscle, because it is denser weighs more than fat.

Saying muscle and fat weight the same is like saying butter and carrots have the same caloric content because 100 calories of butter = 100 calories of carrots, which is true, but misses the point of the fact that butter is more calories dense than carrots.

Lazyboy09

I dunno, I'm pretty sure I gained a few pounds of muscle at the Cheesecake Factory last weekend. Your "data" and "science" are cramping my style.

End6ame

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

No no no no no - a pound of fat and a pound of muscle will always weight the same ONE POUND, it may take up less room but it weighs exactly the same. Just as a pound of lead and a pound of feathers weigh one pound but take up vastly different amounts of room.

I beleive he missread the "a lb of muscle weighs the same as a lb of fat." and thought the person said that muscle and fat weight the same. Which they don't muscle, because it is denser weighs more than fat.

Saying muscle and fat weight the same is like saying butter and carrots have the same caloric content because 100 calories of butter = 100 calories of carrots, which is true, but misses the point of the fact that butter is more calories dense than carrots.

Thanks. I did miss read... just saw that. I apologize to anyone I yelled at on this topic.

123456654321

Saying muscle and fat weight the same is like saying butter and carrots have the same caloric content because 100 calories of butter = 100 calories of carrots, which is true, but misses the point of the fact that butter is more calories dense than carrots.

Good analogy.

Claudia007

I dunno, I'm pretty sure I gained a few pounds of muscle at the Cheesecake Factory last weekend. Your "data" and "science" are cramping my style.

:laugh: :laugh: :happy:

BigBoneSista

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

splitting hairs.

If you mean "by volume" - then, yes.

Exactly.

erickirb

Saying muscle and fat weight the same is like saying butter and carrots have the same caloric content because 100 calories of butter = 100 calories of carrots, which is true, but misses the point of the fact that butter is more calories dense than carrots.

Good analogy.

I stole that from someone but they use chocolate and carrots. Not my original idea, sad to say.

FL_Nettie

Thanks for the info. I also dislike when people say the gained weight because they "gained muscles". If it were that easy, we'd all look like Mr. Olympia in a few months!

sdickman

BUMP

123456654321

I dunno, I'm pretty sure I gained a few pounds of muscle at the Cheesecake Factory last weekend. Your "data" and "science" are cramping my style.

HELL YEAH! CHEESECAKE MUSCLE!

Neliel

This was really interesting. And somewhat of a relief to read. I'm always paranoid i'm going to bulk up like a man-hulk if I do too much strength exercise!

LuckyLeprechaun

Thank you! I hate it when people think that a lb of muscle weighs more than a lb of fat.

It does, because muscle is denser than fat.

NO

BAD LOGIC!


1lb=1lb=1lb

doesn't matter what it is, one pound ALWAYS equals one pound.

That established, because of DENSITY, 1 lb or fat takes up more space than 1 lb of muscle. However, THEY WEIGH THE SAME.



/rant