Paleo Diet

Teemo

I have been toying with the idea of starting to try a paleo -ish lifestyle. I do crossfit (and totally love it) and a lot of people that crossfit eat paleo. To be honest, every time I see one of these threads talking about paleo it's the paleo people that turn me off. I agree with the one poster who said paleo people tend to bash everything else. I can see that it's not for everyone and everyone has different motivations/reasons for eating the way they do, but why do so many of these "paleo" eaters come off so elitist? You know you really put a bad taste out there for those that are considering doing paleo.

Personally, I'm most concerned about giving up so many things at once. I can do no grains, that's fine, but beans and dairy too, that's going to be rough. I try to eat clean most of the time (this past weekend, and the left overs this week have been an exception) so it won't be that much of a change, like I said, just restricting so many items at once will take some effort. I'd be open to some support from those of you that are paleo but I don't need anyone telling me this is best and everything else sucks. I don't believe in that, there's a plan for everyone and they don't have to all be the same. Just because one person is a vegatarian doesn't make them the devil, and by the same means, just becuase you're paleo doens't make you god. So any open minded paleo people that want to help me out, I'd be open to that!

I'm not an open-minded paleo person but if you want to become a paleodieter because it is convenient for you to achieve your goals then by all means you should give it a shot. In any case, the basic principles of avoiding processed foods, sugars, etc. are good ones in all circumstances... and no one has ever faulted the increased consumption of vegetables and fruits (more vegetables than fruits).

BR1986FB

Especially since paleodieters are the ones who trumpet how superior their method of dieting is, and are the ones who are promoting the (minimally-accepted) idea that grains are harmful.

Yet it's the anti-Paleo "know it all's" who are typically crashing OUR threads? :huh:

Teemo

Is honey allowed? And yes, I realize that ppl on this diet are "allowed" to eat what they want, but if the diet is followed strictly is honey allowed?

:laugh:

Cordain states that ALL sweeteners should be avoided... INCLUDING honey. Which makes sense. Honey might be the most nutritious of the sweeteners but the overall nutritive value is minimal. And being the best of the worst is hardly a reason to recommend it. (Much like diet soda may be better than regular soda but that doesn't mean we should all run out and drink diet soda).

Yet it's the anti-Paleo "know it all's" who are typically crashing OUR threads? :huh:

I thought this was a thread where the threadstarter wanted to know what people's thoughts were on the paleodiet. I didn't realize only paleodieters were allowed to talk about how great it was and a differing viewpoint was prohibited. :laugh:

You'll notice the first really disparaging remark in this thread came from you, in referring to people who eat grain as "zealots".

Plus I like arguing.

pyro13g

It's just a heck of a lot easier to go to the local grocer than source it from the wild, even if the nutritional elements of wild versus domestic vary.

Which it probably doesn't, in any case.

The nutritional value(profile) is different. Proven via simple testing.. You know, so they can put any required labeling on the packaging and get them into various online and local databases for people that want to track the nutritional values. Same goes for Organic. Often better nutrient values compared to non organic.

bcattoes

Is honey allowed? And yes, I realize that ppl on this diet are "allowed" to eat what they want, but if the diet is followed strictly is honey allowed?

:laugh:

Cordain states that ALL sweeteners should be avoided... INCLUDING honey. Which makes sense. Honey might be the most nutritious of the sweeteners but the overall nutritive value is minimal. And being the best of the worst is hardly a reason to recommend it. (Much like diet soda may be better than regular soda but that doesn't mean we should all run out and drink diet soda).

But the paleo dude probably wasn't thinking "wow, this stuff is so delicious but it might hurt my waistline so I'd better not eat it". He was more likely thinking "wow, this sweet stuff is yummy". I'll bet he ate honey.

dcmat

Another fad? Dieting should all be about moderation.

I agree. And why wouldn't sugar and beans be included? Those things can be gathered.

Beans are toxic and inedible in raw form. They contain antinutrients (also grains) that inhibit the absorption of necessary nutrients. And sugar is refined/processed.

As is the salt in salted butter

BR1986FB

I thought this was a thread where the threadstarter wanted to know what people's thoughts were on the paleodiet. I didn't realize only paleodieters were allowed to talk about how great it was and a differing viewpoint was prohibited. :laugh:

You'll notice the first really disparaging remark in this thread came from you, in referring to people who eat grain as "zealots".

Plus I like arguing.

Nope. First disparaging remark was when Paleo was referred to as a "fad." Look back at previous Paleo threads and you'll see. Like clockwork there's always someone jumping in to rip on the way of eating. It gets REALLY old. If they don't like it, don't open the thread.

And I know it's never safe to 'assume" but I will (for arguments sake) in believing that her request for "thoughts" probably were directed at people who had actually DONE Paleo.

dcmat

I thought this was a thread where the threadstarter wanted to know what people's thoughts were on the paleodiet. I didn't realize only paleodieters were allowed to talk about how great it was and a differing viewpoint was prohibited. :laugh:

You'll notice the first really disparaging remark in this thread came from you, in referring to people who eat grain as "zealots".

Plus I like arguing.

Nope. First disparaging remark was when Paleo was referred to as a "fad." Look back at previous Paleo threads and you'll see. Like clockwork there's always someone jumping in to rip on the way of eating. It gets REALLY old. If they don't like it, don't open the thread.

It wasn't referred to as a fad - it was a question, hence the question mark

Teemo

Nope. First disparaging remark was when Paleo was referred to as a "fad." Look back at previous Paleo threads and you'll see. Like clockwork there's always someone jumping in to rip on the way of eating. It gets REALLY old. If they don't like it, don't open the thread.

Because... it IS a fad?

"a temporary fashion, notion, manner of conduct, etc., especially one followed enthusiastically by a group."

When did paleo dieting, in its current incarnation, take off? Within the last 10-20 years. When did it begin gaining widespread practice? Within the last 10. The Paleo Diet was written in the 2000s. Is it temporary? Who knows. But given that it's relatively young, I don't have any problem considering it a fad like Atkins, or Keto, or any of the other dietary methods that have sprung up in the past decade.

And no, I don't consider the "hundreds of thousands of years of paleolithic man" supposedly eating this way to mean it's not a fad. That paleolithic man lacked the organizational means or mental wherewithal to develop agriculture doesn't impress.

And I know it's never safe to 'assume" but I will (for arguments sake) in believing that her request for "thoughts" probably were directed at people who had actually DONE Paleo.

Sure. Well, then I'm still qualified to chime in more or less. I've done keto (using paleo list foods) which is more in keeping with The Paleo Diet than her friend's bacon diet. :laugh:

PJRock7

I want to do this diet. Started yesterday. Really weight loss does come down to exercise and moderation.

thegoodner

Everything in moderation is what is making America fat. It's exactly what happened to me - my low fat, complex carb "diet" has left me with nothing but obesity, insulin resistence, and borderline metabolic syndrome. Someone recommended The Primal Blueprint to me to read, and I have watched the movie Fat Head (you can stream it on Netflix or Hulu) and the whole thing really pissed me off. YEARS of my life wasted dieting and struggling at the gym and still gaining weight. Which in turn led to giving up, depression, and binge eating. One week Primal/Paleo - and I lost 7 pounds of body fat. I maintain a 50-100 g of carbs a day and I am easily dropping fat, have a ton of energy and feel better than I ever have.

We don't need grains, they are actually toxic to the body - some people (like my daughter) have extreme reactions and we call this Celiac Disease - in others, we think we are just fine, but your intestines would tell you a different story. Grains and beans punch holes in the gut wall, carrying all kinds of nastiness directly to your blood stream, Primal is all about food=fuel. Excess blood glucose and excess insulin is the enemy of our body - organs tissues and cells suffer from this. By lowering our insulin response, we burn our fat which our body actually prefers, naturally lower our food intake to meet our body needs and that's it.

OP if you are seriously interested in it, reading The Primal Blueprint is IMO a great place to start. Stop believing the government version of healthy which was literally determined by politicians and not scientists. And it it is not "hard" at all. I work full time, have 5 kids, 4 dogs, 6 chickens, and a husband, and manage to make primal meals for all of us. How hard is it to saute some mushrooms, onions, and fry a couple of eggs in the morning. Yesterday we had pot roast that cooked itself in the crock pot all day with cauliflower, broccoli, and onions. You can make ANY meal primal/paleo by having protein (beef, chicken, fish, pork), vegetables (save starchy vegetables for treats and for intense work needs - remember insulin response), and a healthy fat (butter, coconut oil, nuts) and eat servings of fruit depending on your body mass goals. Your lipid profile will naturally improve, your body's systemic inflammation will improve, your body will become more insulin sensitive and less resistant, and you body will readily and easily burn fat.

The Standard American Diet is the fad here. A fad that has had disastrous consequences.

Teemo

Everything in moderation is what is making America fat.

Almost by definition that statement is impossible. If you're eating everything in moderation -- which, inherently, means within reasonable limits -- you're not going to get fat.

Everything in EXCESS is what is making America fat.

dcmat

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OP if you are seriously interested in it, reading The Primal Blueprint is IMO a great place to start. Stop believing the government version of healthy which was literally determined by politicians and not scientists. And it it is not "hard" at all. I work full time, have 5 kids, 4 dogs, 6 chickens, and a husband, and manage to make primal meals for all of us.

..is wondering how processed salami and 'Dunkin Donuts - Large Iced Coffee W/Cream and Splenda' fall into the primal format

Clew

And no, I don't consider the "hundreds of thousands of years of paleolithic man" supposedly eating this way to mean it's not a fad. That paleolithic man lacked the organizational means or mental wherewithal to develop agriculture doesn't impress.

A sound point. paleo man was eating whatever he could find in a pre-agriculture world, and got WAYYY more exercise than modern man just staying alive. Returning to older ways with our eating though (e.g. stepping away from mass produced/processed/stripped/refortified/hormoned food products) can't be a bad thing. :flowerforyou:

thegoodner

ugh I'm not even going to get into the 80/20 principle, or the fact the salami is dry aged, gluten and nitrate free or the fact that I threw out half of the coffee. I'm trying my best and that is all I can do. I don't have to prove myself to anyone, nor do you have to prove yourself to me! I'm simply learning, and will continue to refine. Thanks for your concern.

Pseudocyber

I recently talked to someone who was on a Paleo Diet - Paleolithic (Yep like the cave man) It sounds sort of interesting... You eat anything that you could hunt or gather. No dairy, sugar, beans, etc... Not really sure on the specifics.

The main interest to me was the amount of bacon that she eats and still looses weight. I mean, a lot of bacon. She has lost 18lbs.

Just wondering what peoples thoughts are.


Feel free to add me as a friend!!! - I need all of the motivation that I can get.

Kait

So, in other words, some but not a lot of fruit and vegetables (cause you know, cave men didn't farm), with a lot of exercise (to forage for food because of the no farming thing) with minimal cooking? Water from the spring? Meat, once in a Paleolithic blue moon? No bread, pasta (because I don't think they milled grains). No alcohol (because they didn't know about fermentation)

Sounds like most of the healthy, eat good (nutritious) diet's I'm aware of.

Go for it!

bcattoes

Everything in moderation is what is making America fat. It's exactly what happened to me - my low fat, complex carb "diet" has left me with nothing but obesity, insulin resistence, and borderline metabolic syndrome. Someone recommended The Primal Blueprint to me to read, and I have watched the movie Fat Head (you can stream it on Netflix or Hulu) and the whole thing really pissed me off. YEARS of my life wasted dieting and struggling at the gym and still gaining weight. Which in turn led to giving up, depression, and binge eating. One week Primal/Paleo - and I lost 7 pounds of body fat. I maintain a 50-100 g of carbs a day and I am easily dropping fat, have a ton of energy and feel better than I ever have.

We don't need grains, they are actually toxic to the body - some people (like my daughter) have extreme reactions and we call this Celiac Disease - in others, we think we are just fine, but your intestines would tell you a different story. Grains and beans punch holes in the gut wall, carrying all kinds of nastiness directly to your blood stream, Primal is all about food=fuel. Excess blood glucose and excess insulin is the enemy of our body - organs tissues and cells suffer from this. By lowering our insulin response, we burn our fat which our body actually prefers, naturally lower our food intake to meet our body needs and that's it.

OP if you are seriously interested in it, reading The Primal Blueprint is IMO a great place to start. Stop believing the government version of healthy which was literally determined by politicians and not scientists. And it it is not "hard" at all. I work full time, have 5 kids, 4 dogs, 6 chickens, and a husband, and manage to make primal meals for all of us. How hard is it to saute some mushrooms, onions, and fry a couple of eggs in the morning. Yesterday we had pot roast that cooked itself in the crock pot all day with cauliflower, broccoli, and onions. You can make ANY meal primal/paleo by having protein (beef, chicken, fish, pork), vegetables (save starchy vegetables for treats and for intense work needs - remember insulin response), and a healthy fat (butter, coconut oil, nuts) and eat servings of fruit depending on your body mass goals. Your lipid profile will naturally improve, your body's systemic inflammation will improve, your body will become more insulin sensitive and less resistant, and you body will readily and easily burn fat.

The Standard American Diet is the fad here. A fad that has had disastrous consequences.

I'm sorry but there is just so much untruth in this post. Whole grains and beans do NOT punch holes in your intenstines. Nor do they spike your insulin and make you insulin resistant or cause diabetes. Refined/simple sugars spike your insulin. Medical evidence supporting the fact that whole grains and beans are good for you does not all come from the government. It comes from hundreds of years of medical research and scientific studies. I am sorry that your body was damaged with food, and I'm sorry to hear that your daughter has Celiac disease. People with family members with Celiac disease are more prone to get it themselves, and though you don't mention having it that could account for your trouble own trouble with grains. But that does not equate to whole grains being unhealthy for everyone. It really doesn't.

mapexdrummer69

Everything in moderation is what is making America fat.

Almost by definition that statement is impossible. If you're eating everything in moderation -- which, inherently, means within reasonable limits -- you're not going to get fat.

Everything in EXCESS is what is making America fat.

This x2.

Clew

WTF, people!!! Can we not just be supportive and friendly? Do we have to be snotty little bags?

Not directed at all responses obviously - but everybody knows who.

Geez. :explode:

freerange

Another fad? Dieting should all be about moderation.

I agree. And why wouldn't sugar and beans be included? Those things can be gathered.

Really, so go gather some sugar, and get back to me when you have a 5 pound bag of the white stuff.

freerange

I have been toying with the idea of starting to try a paleo -ish lifestyle. I do crossfit (and totally love it) and a lot of people that crossfit eat paleo. To be honest, every time I see one of these threads talking about paleo it's the paleo people that turn me off. I agree with the one poster who said paleo people tend to bash everything else. I can see that it's not for everyone and everyone has different motivations/reasons for eating the way they do, but why do so many of these "paleo" eaters come off so elitist? You know you really put a bad taste out there for those that are considering doing paleo.

Personally, I'm most concerned about giving up so many things at once. I can do no grains, that's fine, but beans and dairy too, that's going to be rough. I try to eat clean most of the time (this past weekend, and the left overs this week have been an exception) so it won't be that much of a change, like I said, just restricting so many items at once will take some effort. I'd be open to some support from those of you that are paleo but I don't need anyone telling me this is best and everything else sucks. I don't believe in that, there's a plan for everyone and they don't have to all be the same. Just because one person is a vegatarian doesn't make them the devil, and by the same means, just becuase you're paleo doens't make you god. So any open minded paleo people that want to help me out, I'd be open to that!

I would be interested in examples. If you have followed the “paleo” threads you have seen me, I post on most of them when I see one. In all the threads I have seen about Paleo, I have never seen a “Paleo” person start the attacks, it has ALWAYS been in defense against the lies and misinformation and attacks by the, everything in moderation,,,,,,,,,, (I’ll be nice) people. I admit I have a bias and maybe I don’t see the elitist attitudes. Take this thread for example, the very first response was to question it as a “fad”, and fad carries the connotation that you must be easily duped to fall for that “fad”, in other words you are an idiot for falling for a fad, while I am so much smarter because I do everything in moderation.

And then we have the folks that will pick one thing out of the diet and assume that everyone is eating only that one thing and eating it until they can’t stand and say “See this diet sucks compared to my moderation diet”. Really? This is a back handed attack, this is elitist. We also have those that accuse us of being hypocrites if we dare to eat one thing that is not “on” the diet, and again hold up the everything in moderation moniker, well after all if you do “everything” in moderation then you can’t possibly go off your diet, or can you. Any of these “superior” human beings ever go over their moderation?

mapexdrummer69

I'm more of a "if you enjoy doing it, do it" person. I don't state that any diet is "superior" than another, I just choose to not follow a diet that tells me I can or cannot eat a certain thing. No hate, just personal preference.

BR1986FB

I would be interested in examples. If you have followed the “paleo” threads you have seen me, I post on most of them when I see one. In all the threads I have seen about Paleo, I have never seen a “Paleo” person start the attacks, it has ALWAYS been in defense against the lies and misinformation and attacks by the, everything in moderation,,,,,,,,,, (I’ll be nice) people. I admit I have a bias and maybe I don’t see the elitist attitudes. Take this thread for example, the very first response was to question it as a “fad”, and fad carries the connotation that you must be easily duped to fall for that “fad”, in other words you are an idiot for falling for a fad, while I am so much smarter because I do everything in moderation.

And then we have the folks that will pick one thing out of the diet and assume that everyone is eating only that one thing and eating it until they can’t stand and say “See this diet sucks compared to my moderation diet”. Really? This is a back handed attack, this is elitist. We also have those that accuse us of being hypocrites if we dare to eat one thing that is not “on” the diet, and again hold up the everything in moderation moniker, well after all if you do “everything” in moderation then you can’t possibly go off your diet, or can you. Any of these “superior” human beings ever go over their moderation?

Thank you !!! So much better than I tried to say it.

LdyGeko

Bump.

bcattoes

So I'm guessing you can't drink alcohol and follow a paleo diet, correct? I love my whole grains and beans (my diet staples) but no way I'm giving up my nightly wine!! :drinker:

pyro13g

Everything in moderation is what is making America fat. It's exactly what happened to me - my low fat, complex carb "diet" has left me with nothing but obesity, insulin resistence, and borderline metabolic syndrome. Someone recommended The Primal Blueprint to me to read, and I have watched the movie Fat Head (you can stream it on Netflix or Hulu) and the whole thing really pissed me off. YEARS of my life wasted dieting and struggling at the gym and still gaining weight. Which in turn led to giving up, depression, and binge eating. One week Primal/Paleo - and I lost 7 pounds of body fat. I maintain a 50-100 g of carbs a day and I am easily dropping fat, have a ton of energy and feel better than I ever have.

We don't need grains, they are actually toxic to the body - some people (like my daughter) have extreme reactions and we call this Celiac Disease - in others, we think we are just fine, but your intestines would tell you a different story. Grains and beans punch holes in the gut wall, carrying all kinds of nastiness directly to your blood stream, Primal is all about food=fuel. Excess blood glucose and excess insulin is the enemy of our body - organs tissues and cells suffer from this. By lowering our insulin response, we burn our fat which our body actually prefers, naturally lower our food intake to meet our body needs and that's it.

OP if you are seriously interested in it, reading The Primal Blueprint is IMO a great place to start. Stop believing the government version of healthy which was literally determined by politicians and not scientists. And it it is not "hard" at all. I work full time, have 5 kids, 4 dogs, 6 chickens, and a husband, and manage to make primal meals for all of us. How hard is it to saute some mushrooms, onions, and fry a couple of eggs in the morning. Yesterday we had pot roast that cooked itself in the crock pot all day with cauliflower, broccoli, and onions. You can make ANY meal primal/paleo by having protein (beef, chicken, fish, pork), vegetables (save starchy vegetables for treats and for intense work needs - remember insulin response), and a healthy fat (butter, coconut oil, nuts) and eat servings of fruit depending on your body mass goals. Your lipid profile will naturally improve, your body's systemic inflammation will improve, your body will become more insulin sensitive and less resistant, and you body will readily and easily burn fat.

The Standard American Diet is the fad here. A fad that has had disastrous consequences.

I'm sorry but there is just so much untruth in this post. Whole grains and beans do NOT punch holes in your intenstines. Nor do they spike your insulin and make you insulin resistant or cause diabetes. Refined/simple sugars spike your insulin. Medical evidence supporting the fact that whole grains and beans are good for you does not all come from the government. It comes from hundreds of years of medical research and scientific studies. I am sorry that your body was damaged with food, and I'm sorry to hear that your daughter has Celiac disease. People with family members with Celiac disease are more prone to get it themselves, and though you don't mention having it that could account for your trouble own trouble with grains. But that does not equate to whole grains being unhealthy for everyone. It really doesn't.

Do you understand glycemic index and load? Whole wheat/whole meal bread 74±2 White wheat bread* 75±2

pyro13g

Another fad? Dieting should all be about moderation.

I agree. And why wouldn't sugar and beans be included? Those things can be gathered.

Beans are toxic and inedible in raw form. They contain antinutrients (also grains) that inhibit the absorption of necessary nutrients. And sugar is refined/processed.

As is the salt in salted butter

Wrong. http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/how-is-salt-made

bcattoes

Everything in moderation is what is making America fat. It's exactly what happened to me - my low fat, complex carb "diet" has left me with nothing but obesity, insulin resistence, and borderline metabolic syndrome. Someone recommended The Primal Blueprint to me to read, and I have watched the movie Fat Head (you can stream it on Netflix or Hulu) and the whole thing really pissed me off. YEARS of my life wasted dieting and struggling at the gym and still gaining weight. Which in turn led to giving up, depression, and binge eating. One week Primal/Paleo - and I lost 7 pounds of body fat. I maintain a 50-100 g of carbs a day and I am easily dropping fat, have a ton of energy and feel better than I ever have.

We don't need grains, they are actually toxic to the body - some people (like my daughter) have extreme reactions and we call this Celiac Disease - in others, we think we are just fine, but your intestines would tell you a different story. Grains and beans punch holes in the gut wall, carrying all kinds of nastiness directly to your blood stream, Primal is all about food=fuel. Excess blood glucose and excess insulin is the enemy of our body - organs tissues and cells suffer from this. By lowering our insulin response, we burn our fat which our body actually prefers, naturally lower our food intake to meet our body needs and that's it.

OP if you are seriously interested in it, reading The Primal Blueprint is IMO a great place to start. Stop believing the government version of healthy which was literally determined by politicians and not scientists. And it it is not "hard" at all. I work full time, have 5 kids, 4 dogs, 6 chickens, and a husband, and manage to make primal meals for all of us. How hard is it to saute some mushrooms, onions, and fry a couple of eggs in the morning. Yesterday we had pot roast that cooked itself in the crock pot all day with cauliflower, broccoli, and onions. You can make ANY meal primal/paleo by having protein (beef, chicken, fish, pork), vegetables (save starchy vegetables for treats and for intense work needs - remember insulin response), and a healthy fat (butter, coconut oil, nuts) and eat servings of fruit depending on your body mass goals. Your lipid profile will naturally improve, your body's systemic inflammation will improve, your body will become more insulin sensitive and less resistant, and you body will readily and easily burn fat.

The Standard American Diet is the fad here. A fad that has had disastrous consequences.

I'm sorry but there is just so much untruth in this post. Whole grains and beans do NOT punch holes in your intenstines. Nor do they spike your insulin and make you insulin resistant or cause diabetes. Refined/simple sugars spike your insulin. Medical evidence supporting the fact that whole grains and beans are good for you does not all come from the government. It comes from hundreds of years of medical research and scientific studies. I am sorry that your body was damaged with food, and I'm sorry to hear that your daughter has Celiac disease. People with family members with Celiac disease are more prone to get it themselves, and though you don't mention having it that could account for your trouble own trouble with grains. But that does not equate to whole grains being unhealthy for everyone. It really doesn't.

Do you understand glycemic index and load? Whole wheat/whole meal bread 74±2 White wheat bread* 75±2

Actually, I understand both. Whole grains does not always = bread, ya know. I do eat whole grain bread occasionally but I'm talking more about brown rice, quinoa, barley, oats, bulgar wheat, etc. You know, grains.

SOOZIE429

bump

bcattoes

Another fad? Dieting should all be about moderation.

I agree. And why wouldn't sugar and beans be included? Those things can be gathered.

Beans are toxic and inedible in raw form. They contain antinutrients (also grains) that inhibit the absorption of necessary nutrients. And sugar is refined/processed.

As is the salt in salted butter

Wrong. http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/how-is-salt-made

Um, forget the salt. Butter is only made through processing.