Fit For Future Families - August 2011
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Hey just a quick post from me today, fairly new and have been trying since April since I had my IUD removed.Im currently in my fertile days and have been tring to be intimate every second day. I havent been really tracing my temp as Im not too sure on how that all works. I have been using test strips to try to find when Im ovulating but I havent been able to setect a surge in a while.
Anyways wishing everyone all the best, I just got back from holidays so Im really out of the loop.0 -
LOL I love you guys, but this board sure has gotten busy (which is a good thing!!!!) I'm going to sit with my notepad and write my comments after work......wow!!!
AFM: Two things....1. I forgot to weigh in today. I got breakfast in bed and it was only after I'd showered and come downstairs that I realized it was weigh in day :S So tomorrow for me. 2. We talked to the sperm bank today and have decided that we're going with attributes AFM.....LOL (A = dark hair, dark eyes; F = Type O blood; M = 6-6'4) which is the closest to DH.......but I had a giggle that AFM is playing such a big part in this...hopefully it's a sign0 -
Happy Monday everyone! And thanks for the welcome.
Pam - I was feeling that way for awhile and my doc told me to try drinking more water. Of course, that was about 6 wks before I started trying to be healthy and I was ridiculously dehydrated, so if you are doing okay there, then pay no attention to me.
Jalara - yeah, my hubby is 6ft3 and he's not super healthy, but he is literally underweight for his height. I, on the other hand, am 4ft9... so if I eat what/how much he eats... yeah, not such a good plan. That is part of what got me into this mess in the first place. That, and developing a habit of emotional eating in college. :-/
I actually did really well over this weekend (which is a huge first for me) AND I lost 2 lbs. I have never been so excited to step on a scale before! lol. This week, I want to continue with the no soda plan (I'm on day 3 right now), drink at least 64 oz of water a day, and do all 5 of my workouts. I have to workout at 7 am, and I am not a morning person, so convincing myself to wake up is always a chore. But, it's a better pick-me-up than a shower.0 -
Thank you for the warm welcome!
Well our first month TTC was not a success as AF arrived last night I did get a negative Preg test Thursday but I secretly hoped that we would hit a homerun first time up at bat! Lol It has motivated to kick the exercising into high gear this month as we continue to try. Took the recommendation on here about tcoyf and fertility friend and I'm starting to track bbt today, as last month we only used opk(never pos). Happy Monday everyone, I'm gonna get my butt to the gym now!0 -
Hey just a quick post from me today, fairly new and have been trying since April since I had my IUD removed.Im currently in my fertile days and have been tring to be intimate every second day. I havent been really tracing my temp as Im not too sure on how that all works. I have been using test strips to try to find when Im ovulating but I havent been able to setect a surge in a while.
Anyways wishing everyone all the best, I just got back from holidays so Im really out of the loop.
I'm in the same boat as you are...trying to be intimate every second day. :flowerforyou: :smooched: :blushing: Good luck to you!!0 -
Hey ladies just wondering if you adjust your work out schedules when you are fertile and TTC. Im usually a runner but am thinking of scaling back this week while Im fertile, thoughts?0
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Happy Monday, everyone!
Taldie01 - It is perfectly safe to continue whatever level of activity you're accustomed to while TTC. And good luck to you!!
9Honey16 - so sorry! :flowerforyou: Good luck with your charting and also exercising this week!
pixieofdoom - so sorry to you, too! Hope you are feeling better soon.
Newleafbeth - Way to go on 2lbs down this week! And no soda?! I couldn't do it. Good luck with your goals this week!
Fitterpam - breakfast in bed--good for you!
Julia - you're right--that's the best thing you can do. Hope all of the preparations go as well as they can go.
Alisa -- wow...WTG! 5lbs down!! Keep it up!
Stephanie -- so far I really like the Wii Zumba! I have been doing that, and also Wii tennis and bowling. It's great because, like you said, you can easily fit it in when you can't get the gym, etc. I like that there are 20 min workouts, or longer ones (45? 60?). It's a lot of fun, but I do feel a little silly!
Pantera - I can't think of a reason why you couldn't take the fish oil in addition to what you are taking? Are you also taking a prenatal, or just the folic acid & vit. D. There are at least a few prenatals out there that combine fish oil/DHA along with the vitamins.
kah - hope this week goes by very quickly for you! Best of luck!
(that's all I can remember at the moment)
AFM:
Weigh in:
1.2lbs down from last Monday! The previous week was my period, so I was sort of at a standstill for a week and a half, so I was happy to see the scales down a bit.
Goals for last week:
Work out 3x 40-45 min....done! I even fit in a few extra 20 minute workouts.
Water 64oz/day...done! I bought a new Nalgene water bottle last weekend, and it has helped me keep up with water intake.
Stay on track with eating while we had guests in town...done! I stuck very near my calorie goal.
This week:
Same goals, pretty much. I am still on vacation...tomorrow is my last day. Today DH and I made homemade gluten-free pizza for lunch, and then watched a movie at home together before he went to work. Very nice! Tomorrow we plan to go out to the movies (Harry Potter) and lunch. We rarely get to spend time alone together because we work pretty much opposite shifts (me: 6:30 - 3:00, and him 3:00 to 11:00). So we are trying to make the most of it! Also, I NEVER get time to myself, so this afternoon has been nice, too.
That's pretty much it for me. Hope you all have a great week! To all who are waiting on good news, best of luck!0 -
Hey ladies just wondering if you adjust your work out schedules when you are fertile and TTC. Im usually a runner but am thinking of scaling back this week while Im fertile, thoughts?
Oh yeah - good question - I've been wondering about this myself!0 -
Hey ladies just wondering if you adjust your work out schedules when you are fertile and TTC. Im usually a runner but am thinking of scaling back this week while Im fertile, thoughts?
Oh yeah - good question - I've been wondering about this myself!
Hey Ladies - I put this up on another board just the other day. Hope it answers your questions!
Here's the stitch: Unless you have PCOS or another reason to alter your lifestyle or diet while TTC, don't worry about it. If you want a drink, have a drink. If you want to go on the ATV - go! It will cause you undo stress to worry about everything, and if it take awhile for you to conceive you'll end up resenting the whole process if you continually changed your life each month and get no results.
The science behind it: the baby will not be sharing your bloodstream until the placenta takes over - which isn't until AT LEAST 4.5 weeks (some docs will even say 8 to 10 depending on the research the pay attention to). Since implantation happens between 7 and 14 days after conception (or 3-4 weeks in pregnancy time-line) you'll be fine until you notice your period is late and test. Until the placenta takes over, the baby gets nourishment from the yolk sac that develops along side the amniotic sac (and will be absorbed once it is no longer needed).
The only things that you do need to do to give the baby the best health possible (and I'm not saying this applies to you personally, just women in general) is to stop using street drugs when you are trying. They stay in your system long after use (despite what any dealer or teenage know-it-all might say, lol).
As for prenatal vitamins - it is BEST to take those before you get pregnant. Here's why: folic acid is important to prevent neural tube defects in the baby - but those are the first things that start forming after conception - so by the time you realize you are pregnant the MAIN (not only) need for folic acid may have already passed by. If you find that the pills make you feel ill (a lot of women do) cut them in 1/2 and take one 1/2 in the morning and the other with supper (your body will also absorb more this way).0 -
Hi ladies! I have a 17-month-old son. I've been married for 5 1/2 years, and essentially TTC the whole time except while pregnant. Recently, 3 friends of ours that have children my sons age have all gotten pregnant again. It irritates me a little when people ask when we will have another. We will have another whenever we do! We can't PLAN it. Well, I suppose if we could afford to pay for invasive infertility treatment, we might be able to plan. Anyway, I drives me crazy when someone who has been on birth control for years decides they want a baby. So they stop taking birth control and are pregnant the next month!
Okay, that's my introductory rant. I'll move on now.
When I got pregnant with Isaac, I was dieting to lose weight. I had lost about 20 lbs, if I remember correctly. I still had a lot to lose, but it was progress. I kept eating healthy during pregnancy and gained a mere 15 lbs. Lost it easily. I breastfed for a year and then gained it all back and then some as soon as I quit nursing.
So here I am, trying to lose weight for my health and hoping that it will again be the factor that helps us conceive.0 -
Hey everyone!
I want to welcome all the new people to our thread! We're so happy to have you! It seems this group is growing by leaps and bounds right now!
So in an effort to let everyone get to know everyone else, let's get to know each other!
Name: Jalara
Age: 30
Where you live: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Cananda
Job: Nursing student - was military for 12 years
Length of time on the board - 2.5 years - I started it! (It was renamed last year).
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 3 years
Do you have kids: No
Length of time TTC: 13 months
Diagnosis: Bicornuate uterus, endometriosis, 3 miscarriages, borderline LPD
Do you chart your BBT: Yes
Do you use OPKs: Yes
Are you on any meds for TTC: No
Height: 5ft1
Weight: 221
Goal Weight: 170ish...
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Weird fact about yourself: I still have 2 baby teeth!
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Name: Pam
Age: 32
Where you live: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Job: Business Analysis Project Manager
Length of time on the board - about 1 year - I joined the first month Jalara re-named it
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 13.5 years
Do you have kids: No
Length of time TTC: 13.5 years (well that's how long not preventing, but actively trying has been around 10 years
Diagnosis: PCOS for me, Acute Azoospermia for him
Do you chart your BBT: Yes
Do you use OPKs: Nope - they aren't too accurate for PCOS ladies
Are you on any meds for TTC: Not specifically yet, but will be starting Lupron at the end of the month (injectable)
Height: 5ft8
Weight: 238 (at last count and I don`t expect that it`s less now )
Goal Weight: 170ish...
and finally.........
Weird fact about yourself: I grew up in a house my friends called the zoo; we had (at any given time) 2 dogs, 2 cats, a cage full of birds, tank full of fish, cages with hamsters & guinea pigs....and of course about 10 kids....0 -
Name: Kimberly
Age: 33
Where you live: Arkansas
Job: Pharmacist - I supervise a chemotherapy pharmacy
Length of time on the board - just joined!
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 14.5 years
Do you have kids: yes, one
Length of time TTC: officially we are waiting to TTC, although we haven't been actively preventing for some years now. We plan to start actively TTC again this Spring, but we'd also be thrilled if it happened sooner.
Diagnosis:
Do you chart your BBT: No, but plan to start, because my cycles are sort of all over the place lately, and I'd like to better understand what's going on
Do you use OPKs: Not right now
Are you on any meds for TTC: No
Height: 5'0"
Weight: 137ish
Goal Weight: 115ish
and finally.........
Weird fact about yourself: Not necessarily weird, but the only thing I can think of right now...after college & before pharmacy school, I lived in Thailand for two years, teaching English at two universities. Loved it! Almost 10 years later, and I still have dreams about it almost every night.0 -
Name: dawn
Age: 33
Where you live: arvada colorado usa
Job: homemaker
Length of time on the board - i have been with myfitnesspal since nov 2009, on fit for future families 1 month
Marital Status: married for 11 years
Length of time you've been with SO: 14 years
Do you have kids: yes, 2 boys aged 8 and 9
Length of time TTC: 6ish years, but more seriously only two months (and only get one more shot)
Diagnosis: pcos, premature menopause
Do you chart your BBT: no
Do you use OPKs: yes
Are you on any meds for TTC: clomid, estrogen, progesterone
Height: 5 foot
Weight: 122
Goal Weight: 110
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Weird fact about yourself: i can't watch csi without having nightmares about something happening to my family. i used to love scary movies, but ever since i had kids, i can't watch them at all.0 -
Name: Beth
Age: 24
Where you live: Portland, Oregon
Job: Group Home Supervisor/Cashier (2nd job)
Length of time on the board - Like 5 days?
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 5.5 (married for just over 1 yr)
Do you have kids: Not yet.
Length of time TTC: Not actively trying, but we are also not doing much to prevent it either.
Diagnosis: Nothing that really relates, though I had a miscarriage at 10 wks about 3 years ago (though we WERE trying to prevent pregnancy at that point)
Do you chart your BBT: No
Do you use OPKs: No
Are you on any meds for TTC: No
Height: 4ft9 (I'm super short)
Weight: 179 lbs
Goal Weight: 106 lbs.
and finally.........
Weird fact about yourself: I hate this question... I'm so bad at it. Let's see... Um, I read EVERYTHING. From beach reads to chick lit to actual literature to memoirs and biographies to the encyclopedia. I'm mildly obsessed with psychology, so that tends to come up more often than anything else, but I basically just love to read, as often as humanly possible.0 -
Name: Alisa
Age: 25
Where you live: central California
Job: accounting assistant/student
Length of time on the board - 1 year-ish - I joined the first month Jalara re-named it (i think me Pam jalara and maybe Ashley are the only originals left!)
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 4 years next month (married 18 months next month)
Do you have kids: Yes one son from a previous relationship. He will be 6 yrs next month
Length of time TTC: went off BCP last October, tried dec-feb then Hubs left on deployment - starting again next cycle!!
Diagnosis: PCOS- I haven't ovulated on my own or had a natural cycle (meaning wo some medical intervention) since April
Do you chart your BBT: Yes
Do you use OPKs: Not anymore...
Are you on any meds for TTC: prenatals - provera starting this weekend and then clomid on CD1
Height: 5'5 1/2
Weight: 145
Goal Weight: 135
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Weird fact about yourself: I have an obsession with spreadsheets - if it can be organized I will spread sheet...I seriously get an "high" from budgeting on excel...it makes me feel better when I am having high stress/anxiety...0 -
Name: dcg8r (anonymous online)
Age: 31
Where you live: Washington DC
Job: Finance / Accounting field
Length of time on the board - 3 months!
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 10 years
Do you have kids: No
Length of time TTC: 5 months
Diagnosis: retroverted uterus, possible PCOS, 1 miscarriage (July 2011)
Do you chart your BBT: Yes
Do you use OPKs: Yes
Are you on any meds for TTC: No
Height: 5' 3"
Weight: 153
Goal Weight: 127-130ish
Weird fact about yourself: I don't have cable (personal choice) but my favorite show to watch online is Deadliest Catch!0 -
Hi everyone! I'm new here and interested to hear what you all say. I saw that this is "goal oriented" I don't know that I necessarily have a goal. My goal is to get pregnant and have a healthy pregnancy. Right now I am trying to figure out if I should try to stop losing weight, or work out less (I normally run a few miles a day and am about to start riding my bike to and from work which is 20 miles round trip) So I'm wondering if I should cut back on the running since I'll be getting so much activity with riding my bike.
A little about me, I'm 27. I have been married 2 months and this month my husband and I have decided we want to TTC. We are paying attention to ovulation but not doing much else. I think this week I might start taking folic acid. So I guess I'm a REAL new comer to this...this is the first time in my life that I have even considered kids beyond "I want kids some day"
I live in Cape May, NJ
In the Coast Guard
Been on the board 1 day
Married
8 months with my husband (2 months married)
No kids yet
1 month ttc
no diagnosis
I don't know what bbt or opks are
I'm 5'5" 140 lbs
I'd like to be 135 or so, but I'm happy and 140 and don't want to get too obcessive
Wierd Fact: (what used to be my bar trick) I can fit my whole fist in my mouth0 -
Name: Nancy
Age: Turning 29 in a couple of weeks
Where you live: Ontario, Canada
Job: Currently a purchaser.....used to be a child and youth worker in a group home! I miss it
Length of time on the board - Just under a month
Marital Status: Common law
Length of time you've been with SO: 3 years this September
Do you have kids: No
Length of time TTC: 1 month (July) onto the second month however not really tracking. Signed up for fertilityfriend.com (thanks Jalara)! So I will be learning about how track etc...in the mean time...just having some fun trying
Diagnosis: 2 spontaneous miscarriages which are common and we were some what preventing both times.
Do you chart your BBT: No
Do you use OPKs: No
Are you on any meds for TTC: Folic Acid as per doctor, I added Vitamin D, and thinking of adding fish oils as well. If I shouldn't please let me know
Height: 5'4
Weight: 160ish
Goal Weight: 135-140
Weird fact about yourself: Oh gosh....I have so many! My DB thinks I'm ssoooo weird because I could flare my nostrils on demand, and can curl my upper lip up more than Elvis!
Good to be meeting everyone!0 -
Name: Julia
Age: 27
Where you live: Tucson, Arizona
Job: science teacher 6th and 7th grade
Length of time on the board - 1 month
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 7 years
Do you have kids: yes 3.5 year boy
Length of time TTC: not until the end of the month
Diagnosis: none- according to doc, I should be a fertile turtle
Do you chart your BBT: none
Do you use OPKs: Yes
Are you on any meds for TTC: No
Height: 5ft5.5
Weight: 140
Goal Weight: 125ish
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Weird fact about yourself: I have a funnel chest0 -
Great Idea J to reintroduce ourselves!
And I see a few more newbies since yesterday, so WELCOME!
Here's my info...
Name: Stephanie
Age: 34
Where you live: Marietta, Georgia
Job: Account Director for a Global Printing Company
Length of time on the board: 5+ months
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: became best friends16 yrs ago, starting dating 12 years ago, we've been married for 8 1/2 years now
Do you have kids: No
Length of time TTC: almost 4 years
Diagnosis: PCOS with insulin resistance
Do you chart your BBT: I used to, but stopped because I got inconsistent measurements
Do you use OPKs: Yes
Are you on any meds for TTC: Metformin to regulate the insulin resistance & my cycle; I've taken Clomid & Femara, but right now I'm not on anything other than prenatals
Height: 5' 5.5"
Weight: 177
Goal Weight: initial goal <160 (because losing 50 lbs sounded like a good number when I started this journey); mid-term goal <150 (healthy BMI); long term goal ~136 & more toned (middle of the healthy BMI range for me)
and finally.........
Weird fact about yourself: My hobby & TV viewing preferences put me in the same demographic profile as most octogenarians: i.e. I knit, quilt, do crossword puzzles & like to watch reruns of Matlock & Murder She Wrote. My hubby is always calling me his little ol' lady.0 -
Question: Do you all recommend a prenatal when ttc or just folic acid? i'm sure everyone has a different openion, but what do you take and why?0
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Name: Ashlee
Age: 27
Where you live: Arizona
Job: Urban Planner
Length of time on the board - 1week
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 10 years (High school sweethearts )
Do you have kids: No
Length of time TTC: 28 months
Diagnosis: Fibroid
Do you chart your BBT: Yes
Do you use OPKs: No
Are you on any meds for TTC: No
Height: 5ft2
Weight: 130
Goal Weight: 120ish...
and finally.........
Weird fact about yourself: I won't shop at Khols because I think the name and the lettering style they use is too masculine...lol!0 -
Question: Do you all recommend a prenatal when ttc or just folic acid? i'm sure everyone has a different openion, but what do you take and why?
Hi I'm wondering the same thing. My doctor told me to just start with folic acid....but I ve added Vitamin D and thinking of adding fish oil......0 -
Question: Do you all recommend a prenatal when ttc or just folic acid? i'm sure everyone has a different openion, but what do you take and why?
Prenatal vitamin Our bodies don't always have the optimum levels of vitamins and nutrients so it's best to get the levels up before someone else is taking them from you. For example, Vitamin B6 is needed for your body to maintain healthy progesterone levels.
As for the question about working out, if you look a little higher on this page you'll see a post I wrote explaining why you don't need to change your lifestyle when TTC. And further to that - in a lot of cases you can maintain your activity level (running and all) until the 3rd trimester if you are healthy and fit. You may need to modify a few things but it can be done.0 -
Name: Karen
Age: 32--quickly approaching 33
Where you live: Northern VA, USA
Job: Part-time admin assistant/full-time chaser of my 2 year old
Length of time on the board - I don't know...it's been a while. I consider myself an "oldbie" by now.
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: Married since 2004, were together off and on for a long time before that.
Do you have kids: 1-a son, almost 3.
Length of time TTC: 17 months
Diagnosis: secondary infertility. I don't know the actual diagnoses, but HSG and sonograms indicate that I apparently have only one ovary that chooses to "participate". They couldn't even find the other one last time they looked! Other than that, unexplained. So, it makes the first try conception of my son look much more miraculous than we took it for back then, and also made the secondary infertility diagnosis all that much more of a shock. I have since learned that it is just as common as primary infertility. Not that it makes any of us feel much better!
Do you chart your BBT: Nope
Do you use OPKs: Not anymore
Are you on any meds for TTC: Am in the middle of my 2ww after an IUI cycle that was medicated. Currently on estrogen and progesterone during the 2ww.
Height: 5ft2.5 (I have to have the .5, durn it!)
Weight: 136
Goal Weight: 125--but I"m just trying to stay under 135 since that is considered a healthy BMI. The last 10 are vanity pounds. I don't have time for vanity right now, I'm trying to get prego, and when dealing with fertility treatment, vanity will get you nowhere!
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Weird fact about yourself: I can flip my tounge upside down. My mom used to make me do it at parties and stuff. So embarassing. My son seems to be flirting with the ability to do it too. One of the very few things I think he got from me! I'm still deciding whether or not to help him showcase his talent. (JK!)
AFM: The girls are very sore today. But, apparently, that's what Progesterone can do, so it's not necessarily a sign of pregnancy. Especially when I consider that I had NO symptoms with my first pregnancy till much further along. It's the meds messing with my mind. Normally, I'd be spotting by now, but the progesterone seems to be curtailing that as well. Just taking it a day at a time as best I can, resisting the urge to pee on any sticks. Last night I had a "splurge" meal--Fosters grilled cheese and french fries. It was totally worth it, except for the heartburn. Ugh. Tonight I'm getting a haircut. I totally need it (I'm a really short hair girl), and I'm really looking forward to it.0 -
Here's my info...
Name: Tara
Age: 30
Where you live: Airdrie, Alberta
Job: Inventory Control manager/dealer trades Country Hills Toyota
Length of time on the board:6ish mos
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: 4yrs
Do you have kids: Yes one awsome spunky 2 yr old lil girl
Length of time TTC: since April
Diagnosis: introvert, jk, none
Do you chart your BBT: no
Do you use OPKs: Yes, sometimes
Are you on any meds for TTC: no
Height: 6
Weight: 155
Goal Weight: ideally 145 but I dont think that will ever happen, learning to become happy at my current weight
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Weird fact about yourself: Ah man Im so lame I cant think of anything Im really just wierd in general0 -
There was an article in a womens fitness magazine recently about excercising and trying to concieve. Everyones body is different and reacts differently to excercising. It was basciclly saying that mabe you should switch it up or go a little less hardcore. Anyways it opened my eyes to the possibility of slowing it down a bit. For me I run sometimes for 2hrs at a time (once a week) This I'm avoiding while fertile. Im still excercising but avoiding jogging long distances.for now. I wish I had a link to the article. Its tough because its hard to pin point direct science of it all. Anyways Im just trying to focus on being healthy this week and relaxing! When did I become this stressed and full of anxiety??0
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Name: Lisa
Age: 33 later this month
Where you live: Texas
Job: Financial Planner
Length of time on the board: 2 weeks
Marital Status: Married
Length of time you've been with SO: dated for 5 years and married for 7 years
Do you have kids: No
Length of time TTC: 4 months
Diagnosis:
Do you chart your BBT: No
Do you use OPKs: No
Are you on any meds for TTC: No
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 173
Goal Weight: 1650 -
There was an article in a womens fitness magazine recently about excercising and trying to concieve. Everyones body is different and reacts differently to excercising. It was basciclly saying that mabe you should switch it up or go a little less hardcore. Anyways it opened my eyes to the possibility of slowing it down a bit. For me I run sometimes for 2hrs at a time (once a week) This I'm avoiding while fertile. Im still excercising but avoiding jogging long distances.for now. I wish I had a link to the article. Its tough because its hard to pin point direct science of it all. Anyways Im just trying to focus on being healthy this week and relaxing! When did I become this stressed and full of anxiety??
I feel the same way! It's like when you say you are "officially TTC" - everything changes. All of a sudden we get paranoid about everything, and stressed out - which is exactly what we should NOT do. Even with sex - you try to have this "scheduled" sex every other day, and when it doesn't work out as planned, we get all worked up about it. It's supposed to be fun! I worry about working out too hard too, but my trainer assures me it's fine. She said I could even keep my same workout schedule throughout pregnancy. So, to you and me, I say RELAX! :flowerforyou: I gotta chill out...it'll happen when it's meant to happen...0
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