Ladies...help us out here....
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**********************************Just to shake a stick in the lions cage a question.
What do all you ladies do for your guy every day or through the week?
EVERY DAMN THING!!!!!!!"
Problem is.....most men get a little too comfortable...they start "expecting" these things from us.....and forget that it takes TWO. Respect , and effort goes a very long way......we do these things because we love you and want you to be happy.......it's time you start realizing we need these things too. And puhleeeeze don't expect to be rewsrded for doing something every now and then..that we do everyday.
I am sorry if things are not what you like but have to say you seem very bitter and/or angry.
Just an observation from your posts and if true hope you can find a guy that doesn`t leave you feeling that way.:flowerforyou:
Now see, see what we go through?
A man asks a general question for the ladies......what can we do to be better?
The woman answers this question....
The man calls the woman "bitter"....
Guys..grow up...we can't be sweet and charming all the time....you certainly aren't. We put up with the most unbelievable crap from you....and the moment we say "uhh, excuse me, honey!!"......we're suddenly "bitter"....... Really!!!! Are you kiddin me???
Everyone can make their own assessment of things,was not trying to be insulting in any way.0 -
Oh and for the record...I agree it takes two...and a lot of effort on both sides. I also agree that most men rarely hold up their end. But on that note, most women rarely do either.
It's a fine mess...but it's what we've made our world into.0 -
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**********************************Just to shake a stick in the lions cage a question.
What do all you ladies do for your guy every day or through the week?
EVERY DAMN THING!!!!!!!"
Problem is.....most men get a little too comfortable...they start "expecting" these things from us.....and forget that it takes TWO. Respect , and effort goes a very long way......we do these things because we love you and want you to be happy.......it's time you start realizing we need these things too. And puhleeeeze don't expect to be rewsrded for doing something every now and then..that we do everyday.
I am sorry if things are not what you like but have to say you seem very bitter and/or angry.
Just an observation from your posts and if true hope you can find a guy that doesn`t leave you feeling that way.:flowerforyou:
Now see, see what we go through?
A man asks a general question for the ladies......what can we do to be better?
The woman answers this question....
The man calls the woman "bitter"....
Guys..grow up...we can't be sweet and charming all the time....you certainly aren't. We put up with the most unbelievable crap from you....and the moment we say "uhh, excuse me, honey!!"......we're suddenly "bitter"....... Really!!!! Are you kiddin me???
Well...not to continue baiting the lion...but 'EVERY DAMN THING!!!!!!!' does lend itself to the impression of bitterness.
Thing is, not all women are like you're describing yourself, and not all men are as unappreciative as your posts indicate. But...to be honest...I'd likely go out on a limb and say most women aren't, and most men are (meaning most woment AREN'T like you describe, and most men ARE unappreciative).
I can see why that would promote a bit of bitterness.
Now, in Carl's defense...he was saying much the same thing...that he's sorry you had to deal with whatever guy made you feel the way you do. He even offered flowers! Your response...might be PART of why men aren't reacting to all of what you're offering...the way you would like.
Good thing I have a leftover shark suit from that time I tried baiting sharks. I think this might get bloody lol.
I don`t intend to make this a flame war between guys and gals,was just trying to spur conversation and thought regarding how ladies say they want to be treated (which I respect and try to do) and how they interact with guys.
That was all and probably should not have responded to anything personal but do stand by what I said.0 -
Oh and for the record...I agree it takes two...and a lot of effort on both sides. I also agree that most men rarely hold up their end. But on that note, most women rarely do either.
It's a fine mess...but it's what we've made our world into.
but with two people who are willing to communicate and negotiate the sky is the limit! nobody goes into a relationship automatically knowing how to make the other satisfied/happy/fulfilled, but it's up to those two as a couple to tell the other things that they like, and how they want to be treated. and it's also up to those two to start making adjustments so that both people are getting what the need from one another. i don't believe that there will ever be two people that get EVERYTHING that they want, only because no one is perfect, and no one is a mind reader, even though both sides expect the other to be. it's all about talking and taking time to re-evaluate how we can make it better0 -
Oh and for the record...I agree it takes two...and a lot of effort on both sides. I also agree that most men rarely hold up their end. But on that note, most women rarely do either.
It's a fine mess...but it's what we've made our world into.
but with two people who are willing to communicate and negotiate the sky is the limit! nobody goes into a relationship automatically knowing how to make the other satisfied/happy/fulfilled, but it's up to those two as a couple to tell the other things that they like, and how they want to be treated. and it's also up to those two to start making adjustments so that both people are getting what the need from one another. i don't believe that there will ever be two people that get EVERYTHING that they want, only because no one is perfect, and no one is a mind reader, even though both sides expect the other to be. it's all about talking and taking time to re-evaluate how we can make it better
Perfectly said,communication and an openness to listen (that one being the hard part,especially for guys) is the key.0 -
All I'll say is.......if you can't handle the answers...don't ask the question. I'm certainly not "bitter".....maybe you are just a little too "sensitive".....and can't really handle a woman who can express her opinions freely. Your definition of "bitter".....is screwy......it's not bitterness....it's being openly expressive of one's feelings.....outspoken. I can handle my own..in any arena. You ask a question...be prepared for an answer.0
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Oh and for the record...I agree it takes two...and a lot of effort on both sides. I also agree that most men rarely hold up their end. But on that note, most women rarely do either.
It's a fine mess...but it's what we've made our world into.
but with two people who are willing to communicate and negotiate the sky is the limit! nobody goes into a relationship automatically knowing how to make the other satisfied/happy/fulfilled, but it's up to those two as a couple to tell the other things that they like, and how they want to be treated. and it's also up to those two to start making adjustments so that both people are getting what the need from one another. i don't believe that there will ever be two people that get EVERYTHING that they want, only because no one is perfect, and no one is a mind reader, even though both sides expect the other to be. it's all about talking and taking time to re-evaluate how we can make it better
Perfectly said,communication and an openness to listen (that one being the hard part,especially for guys) is the key.
Agree with both of you!All I'll say is.......if you can't handle the answers...don't ask the question. I'm certainly not "bitter".....maybe you are just a little too "sensitive".....and can't really handle a woman who can express her opinions freely. Your definition of "bitter".....is screwy......it's not bitterness....it's being openly expressive of one's feelings.....outspoken. I can handle my own..in any arena. You ask a question...be prepared for an answer.
I agree with this too...thing is, you should be prepared for a response as well. If you knew MY girlfriend, you'd never even breathe the suggestion that I can't handle a woman who can express her opinions freely lol.
And to set this straight...I think the humor in my initial reply was missed (probably my fault). I AGREE COMPLETELY with what you said in all your previous posts. I just also agreed with Carl, that the 'EVERY DAMN THING!!!' comment sounded a bit jaded (perhaps bitter was too strong a word). Very few women in fact do 'every damn thing' for their men. On top of that, very few men deserve it. That was the real point to my message.
Group hug guys? This shark suit chafes.0 -
Just be faithful.... :brokenheart:0
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**********************************Just to shake a stick in the lions cage a question.
What do all you ladies do for your guy every day or through the week?
EVERY DAMN THING!!!!!!!"
Problem is.....most men get a little too comfortable...they start "expecting" these things from us.....and forget that it takes TWO. Respect , and effort goes a very long way......we do these things because we love you and want you to be happy.......it's time you start realizing we need these things too. And puhleeeeze don't expect to be rewsrded for doing something every now and then..that we do everyday.
I am sorry if things are not what you like but have to say you seem very bitter and/or angry.
Just an observation from your posts and if true hope you can find a guy that doesn`t leave you feeling that way.:flowerforyou:
Now see, see what we go through?
A man asks a general question for the ladies......what can we do to be better?
The woman answers this question....
The man calls the woman "bitter"....
Guys..grow up...we can't be sweet and charming all the time....you certainly aren't. We put up with the most unbelievable crap from you....and the moment we say "uhh, excuse me, honey!!"......we're suddenly "bitter"....... Really!!!! Are you kiddin me???
Well...not to continue baiting the lion...but 'EVERY DAMN THING!!!!!!!' does lend itself to the impression of bitterness.
Thing is, not all women are like you're describing yourself, and not all men are as unappreciative as your posts indicate. But...to be honest...I'd likely go out on a limb and say most women aren't, and most men are (meaning most woment AREN'T like you describe, and most men ARE unappreciative).
I can see why that would promote a bit of bitterness.
Now, in Carl's defense...he was saying much the same thing...that he's sorry you had to deal with whatever guy made you feel the way you do. He even offered flowers! Your response...might be PART of why men aren't reacting to all of what you're offering...the way you would like.
Good thing I have a leftover shark suit from that time I tried baiting sharks. I think this might get bloody lol.0 -
I'm certainly not perfect......but when I say "every damn thing"........that means simplyI do everything possible to make my mate as happy, and as comfortable as possible........everything!!!!!
And another thing..my mama raised me to be an independent thinker..I don't roll with what everyone else says..just to go along and get along..I speak my mind..that way there is NO confusion. If you don't happen to agree with it..that's your perogative..my mind is set. But if you choose to minimize my opinions....a debate will usually ensue...and once that happens..."it's a wrap!!!". Bitter? No!! Opinionated? Very!!
A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.0 -
A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.
This goes for everyone...to be honest. But again, I agree with your post. I also agree that what you do, he should not only appreciate...but reciprocate.0 -
There is almost nothing that irritates me more than sentences which start "All girls like .............." or "all women ............."
BTW I hate shoes, I hate handbags, I hate underwear shopping, I have no interest in facials or manicures or hair straighteners or make up. I don't like gossiping, or gossip magazines or reality tv. In fact tv in general bores me.
We are all different, and have different interests and different reactions and different feelings. About everything. There is no one size fits all.
Ya, what she said. (except tv being boring, I wish it was to me) I will add that I also don't need a guy to buy me flowers for any reason. I appreciate much more when my husband picks one from our garden and brings it to me. (I wish he would stop buying me roses on valentines day, the most expensive day of the year. But I don't want to hurt his feelings by making an issue out of it)
And to the guy who said something about women liking men who treat them badly, I really dislike it when someone says that. In all my life I have only known one woman like that and I broke off the friendship. I don't know where this idea comes from.
One piece of advice that is true for SOME women is a line from a movie, "An unexpected gift at an unexpected time." I would think most people want to know they are thought of when they are not around and appreciate someone who makes the effort to let them know that.0 -
Oh and for the record...I agree it takes two...and a lot of effort on both sides. I also agree that most men rarely hold up their end. But on that note, most women rarely do either.
It's a fine mess...but it's what we've made our world into.
If it's a good relationship, major efforts are made by both sides. I've had to learn a LOT about "happy mediums" and compromise.
And to be blunt, in other relationships I didn't care as much to make that effort.
BUT in those other relationships I wasn't treated as well.
All in all you get what you give. And if you don't have somebody you truly love, you won't be willing to give everything. If they don't truly love you, neither will they and you need to GTFO.
**but I really do love flowers and we would like to be called beautiful more often. Especially when I came up with the fantastic nickname "sweet meat" it does go both ways and I make certain to let him know how attracted to him everyday (though it's an LDR so it's hard)0 -
***********************************A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.
This goes for everyone...to be honest. But again, I agree with your post. I also agree that what you do, he should not only appreciate...but reciprocate.
And on that note..I will say "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........finally..we agree!"
And thank you verryyyy much.. you're a smart guy..very wise..Kudos!!!!0 -
***********************************A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.
This goes for everyone...to be honest. But again, I agree with your post. I also agree that what you do, he should not only appreciate...but reciprocate.
And on that note..I will say "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........finally..we agree!"
And thank you verryyyy much.. you're a smart guy..very wise..Kudos!!!!
Yes, we do! Other than me being wise lol. I was just taught early on how to treat women...thankfully, that lesson stuck
.And to the guy who said something about women liking men who treat them badly, I really dislike it when someone says that. In all my life I have only known one woman like that and I broke off the friendship. I don't know where this idea comes from.
I can tell you where. It's one of those 'what women say' versus 'what women do' things. Every woman says they'll take the moderately homely guy who treats them like a queen, over the hot guy who has '*kitten*' written all over him.
How many times do you actually see that happen? The answer is almost never. How many guy friends...who are great guys...dream of being with the girl that 'just doesn't like him that way'? She doesn't like him that way because he's not 'Mr. Hot/Popular/Ripped. Even though he works hard, respects her, treats her annoying baby brother like his best friend, and us there for her to cry to every time the jerk cheats in her.
Get my point? This is not an uncommon thing.0 -
I think one important thing that this thread teaches us is that women aren't all the same and communication is essential. Women, we need to tell our man what we want and men need to ask!0
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***********************************A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.
This goes for everyone...to be honest. But again, I agree with your post. I also agree that what you do, he should not only appreciate...but reciprocate.
And on that note..I will say "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........finally..we agree!"
And thank you verryyyy much.. you're a smart guy..very wise..Kudos!!!!
Yes, we do! Other than me being wise lol. I was just taught early on how to treat women...thankfully, that lesson stuck.And to the guy who said something about women liking men who treat them badly, I really dislike it when someone says that. In all my life I have only known one woman like that and I broke off the friendship. I don't know where this idea comes from.
I can tell you where. It's one of those 'what women say' versus 'what women do' things. Every woman says they'll take the moderately homely guy who treats them like a queen, over the hot guy who has '*kitten*' written all over him.
How many times do you actually see that happen? The answer is almost never. How many guy friends...who are great guys...dream of being with the girl that 'just doesn't like him that way'? She doesn't like him that way because he's not 'Mr. Hot/Popular/Ripped. Even though he works hard, respects her, treats her annoying baby brother like his best friend, and us there for her to cry to every time the jerk cheats in her.
Get my point? This is not an uncommon thing.
^ ^ this ^^ Ladies always say they want a nice guy but what attracts is a fun guy even though he is not responsible and often the "fun" is just being stupid.0 -
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***********************************A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.
This goes for everyone...to be honest. But again, I agree with your post. I also agree that what you do, he should not only appreciate...but reciprocate.
And on that note..I will say "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........finally..we agree!"
And thank you verryyyy much.. you're a smart guy..very wise..Kudos!!!!
Yes, we do! Other than me being wise lol. I was just taught early on how to treat women...thankfully, that lesson stuck.And to the guy who said something about women liking men who treat them badly, I really dislike it when someone says that. In all my life I have only known one woman like that and I broke off the friendship. I don't know where this idea comes from.
I can tell you where. It's one of those 'what women say' versus 'what women do' things. Every woman says they'll take the moderately homely guy who treats them like a queen, over the hot guy who has '*kitten*' written all over him.
How many times do you actually see that happen? The answer is almost never. How many guy friends...who are great guys...dream of being with the girl that 'just doesn't like him that way'? She doesn't like him that way because he's not 'Mr. Hot/Popular/Ripped. Even though he works hard, respects her, treats her annoying baby brother like his best friend, and us there for her to cry to every time the jerk cheats in her.
Get my point? This is not an uncommon thing.
Well then, I guess I must be "strange"......because I am a sucker for George Costanza (Seinfeld).....Doug Heffernan (The King of Queens).....and Barney Fife ...good ole, adorable, skittle-brained, Barney (Andy Griffith Show)
Those guys are not typically considered hot....but they are sooooo cute and adorable it's almost ridiculous...but then again Brad Pitt makes my lashes curl. So...it's not just the looks that matter...it has alot to do with personality..likeability...and the ability to
make you laugh.........they're fun to be around. Looks fade.....personality is to the bone!!!0 -
Be random. Leave a cute little note somewhere, text/email a little love message, unexpected flowers, anything just because.0
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And to be honest the gripes about the women going for the hot "bad" guy instead of the average looking "nice" guy... bother me.
I've never gone for looks, I've always tried to pay attention to whom the person is and if they make me laugh.
But the fact is MEN will pull me aside and say "what are you doing, you could get somebody much better looking than that" blah blah blah, women do the same.. but a majority of it is men.
So I don't buy that line of BS.0 -
And to be honest the gripes about the women going for the hot "bad" guy instead of the average looking "nice" guy... bother me.
I've never gone for looks, I've always tried to pay attention to whom the person is and if they make me laugh.
But the fact is MEN will pull me aside and say "what are you doing, you could get somebody much better looking than that" blah blah blah, women do the same.. but a majority of it is men.
So I don't buy that line of BS.
I know it happens the other way too,a lot of guys want a trophy no matter how unpleasant and difficult a person she may be.
I just want a nice person that I find attractive in personality,character and looks.
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***********************************A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.
This goes for everyone...to be honest. But again, I agree with your post. I also agree that what you do, he should not only appreciate...but reciprocate.
And on that note..I will say "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........finally..we agree!"
And thank you verryyyy much.. you're a smart guy..very wise..Kudos!!!!
Yes, we do! Other than me being wise lol. I was just taught early on how to treat women...thankfully, that lesson stuck.And to the guy who said something about women liking men who treat them badly, I really dislike it when someone says that. In all my life I have only known one woman like that and I broke off the friendship. I don't know where this idea comes from.
I can tell you where. It's one of those 'what women say' versus 'what women do' things. Every woman says they'll take the moderately homely guy who treats them like a queen, over the hot guy who has '*kitten*' written all over him.
How many times do you actually see that happen? The answer is almost never. How many guy friends...who are great guys...dream of being with the girl that 'just doesn't like him that way'? She doesn't like him that way because he's not 'Mr. Hot/Popular/Ripped. Even though he works hard, respects her, treats her annoying baby brother like his best friend, and us there for her to cry to every time the jerk cheats in her.
Get my point? This is not an uncommon thing.
Well then, I guess I must be "strange"......because I am a sucker for George Costanza (Seinfeld).....Doug Heffernan (The King of Queens).....and Barney Fife ...good ole, adorable, skittle-brained, Barney (Andy Griffith Show)
Those guys are not typically considered hot....but they are sooooo cute and adorable it's almost ridiculous...but then again Brad Pitt makes my lashes curl. So...it's not just the looks that matter...it has alot to do with personality..likeability...and the ability to
make you laugh.........they're fun to be around. Looks fade.....personality is to the bone!!!
Call me strange too. I like tall and skinny/scrawny, funny, and highly intelligent. Of course he has to be attractive, to me. That doesn't mean he is attractive to everyone. But I also swoon over Johnny Depp too.I can tell you where. It's one of those 'what women say' versus 'what women do' things. Every woman says they'll take the moderately homely guy who treats them like a queen, over the hot guy who has '*kitten*' written all over him.
How many times do you actually see that happen? The answer is almost never. How many guy friends...who are great guys...dream of being with the girl that 'just doesn't like him that way'? She doesn't like him that way because he's not 'Mr. Hot/Popular/Ripped. Even though he works hard, respects her, treats her annoying baby brother like his best friend, and us there for her to cry to every time the jerk cheats in her.
Get my point? This is not an uncommon thing.
From that response (annoying baby brother) it sounds like you are talking about your personal experience with one person.0 -
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******************************A woman who does not speak her mind....has no right to expect change.
This goes for everyone...to be honest. But again, I agree with your post. I also agree that what you do, he should not only appreciate...but reciprocate.
I was just taught early on how to treat women...thankfully, that lesson stuck.And to the guy who said something about women liking men who treat them badly, I really dislike it when someone says that. In all my life I have only known one woman like that and I broke off the friendship. I don't know where this idea comes from.
I can tell you where. It's one of those 'what women say' versus 'what women do' things. Every woman says they'll take the moderately homely guy who treats them like a queen, over the hot guy who has '*kitten*' written all over him.
How many times do you actually see that happen? The answer is almost never. How many guy friends...who are great guys...dream of being with the girl that 'just doesn't like him that way'? She doesn't like him that way because he's not 'Mr. Hot/Popular/Ripped. Even though he works hard, respects her, treats her annoying baby brother like his best friend, and us there for her to cry to every time the jerk cheats in her.
Get my point? This is not an uncommon thing.
Well then, I guess I must be "strange"......because I am a sucker for George Costanza (Seinfeld).....Doug Heffernan (The King of Queens).....and Barney Fife ...good ole, adorable, skittle-brained, Barney (Andy Griffith Show)
Those guys are not typically considered hot....but they are sooooo cute and adorable it's almost ridiculous...but then again Brad Pitt makes my lashes curl. So...it's not just the looks that matter...it has alot to do with personality..likeability...and the ability to
make you laugh.........they're fun to be around. Looks fade.....personality is to the bone!!! But my baby is to me the most gorgeous guy in the world...and he's a goofball sometimes too. Sometimes we don't get along..but he loves me..and I adore him. I guess that's all that matters.
Call me strange too. I like tall and skinny/scrawny, funny, and highly intelligent. Of course he has to be attractive, to me. That doesn't mean he is attractive to everyone. But I also swoon over Johnny Depp too.I can tell you where. It's one of those 'what women say' versus 'what women do' things. Every woman says they'll take the moderately homely guy who treats them like a queen, over the hot guy who has '*kitten*' written all over him.
How many times do you actually see that happen? The answer is almost never. How many guy friends...who are great guys...dream of being with the girl that 'just doesn't like him that way'? She doesn't like him that way because he's not 'Mr. Hot/Popular/Ripped. Even though he works hard, respects her, treats her annoying baby brother like his best friend, and us there for her to cry to every time the jerk cheats in her.
Get my point? This is not an uncommon thing.
From that response (annoying baby brother) it sounds like you are talking about your personal experience with one person.
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(giggle)
To clarify, I wasn't calling him the annoying baby brother, using it as an example.0 -
oops, double post0
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I have definitely always gone for the nice guy. I may fancy the bad guys in films, but have never been even slightly tempted to date one. I married my best friend (from when we were 13).
Anyway, back to the subject, I know lots, LOTS of women, in fact, almost all the mothers I know who really do do every damn thing for their husbands, and it narks me off. Marriage should be a partnership, not one person treating the other like a slave.
And in reply to another question, what I do for my husband? I cook for him (he is a rubbish cook and I am a fussy eater), look after his children all day, do his washing, take him out for meals for his birthday, buy him tickets to see his best comedians, send him off on a week's Bushcraft course because he wanted to go and learn to live in the wild. But that stuff aside, mostly we just co-exist. Most of the things we do, we do because they need doing and someone has to. We don't do that much FOR each other. More WITH each other.0 -
One thing I know for sure..............make her upset and sex is out the window for sure.0
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One thing I know for sure..............make her upset and sex is out the window for sure.
That's true.0 -
As another person said, we aren't mind readers ^.^
I think just treat her well and you should be good to go.0 -
Just to shake a stick in the lions cage a question.
What do all you ladies do for your guy every day or through the week?
Every morning I kiss my husband goodbye when he's sleeping and make his lunch. Every night he rubs my back to help me fall asleep. He appreciates that I always buy him a specific candy that he loves when I go food shopping. The little things do get noticed and do matter. You don't need to give me the sun and the moon.
I appreciate my man paying attention to when I'm stressed...if you see me running around the house sweating and anxious about getting all laundry done, go ahead and do the dishes for me. Knowing you realize that these things need to be done and that I'm tired and helping me makes me feel absolutely wonderful.0
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