"Starvation." (All opinions wanted!)
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The answer is neither. Even as a hypnothetical question it is just wrong! Why would you want peoples opinions on this? Your just asking people which way would they like to damage themselves or die?! I would rather talk 'hypothetically' about HEALTHY ways to lose weight rather than give my opinions on how I would like to strave myself to death.
Just my opinion but I just don't get why you would post this if you say you wouldn't do this and this is about you or anyone you know?!
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I would like to say the good thing that has come out of this post is people feeling they can share there own experiences, and clearly pointing out neither is a good idea. Thank you to those who have been able to share there experiences. I hope they can speak to others
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First off, this was way too full of spelling/grammatical errors for me to even attempt to edit.
Second, I asked this question because "starvation mode" is a term that gets thrown around a LOT here, so I was curious as to what individuals opinions were.
Your post was accusatory, rude, and completely uncalled for.0 -
There's a couple things wrong with this post. The OP asks if we *personally* think one is better than the other, then asks for research. It wouldn't be personal if there were research involved... just saying
second, someone mentioned 800 calorie diets for obese people. The OP says this isn't about her, but I'm willing to bet that whoever it is about isn't obese. any 800 calorie a day diet would be used under doctor supervision for someone morbidly obese. not someone who needs to lose a few pounds. It sounds like disordered eating.
thirdly, either way you pick, it's disordered eating. so it's not an answer but i pick neither. someone who isn't morbidly obese doesn't need to be limiting their intake/net to 500 calories a day.
that's my two cents.
Actually, it says "your opinions, researched or not."
Some people like to post research with their statements. I threw that in there to state that I would like to hear from people with solid research behind their opinions, and those without it.
Again, don't assume what you don't know.0 -
1200 plus 700 burned with exercise. I need food to function whether its to exercise or do daily tasks. 500 cals is not enough to eat for a day! I don't believe your net calories have to be 1200 or you'll starve. When you are hungry you know you are hungry. I personally gained weight not through feeding my hunger but through my affection for loving to taste food. I can eat when not hungry just for something tasty. Yes I was a Glutton. :blushing:
I'm the same way.0 -
As I thought, no one has even said "what starvation mode is."0
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Well I think both are a bad idea and things like having lap band surgery and doing the hcg diet restrict you to these kind of numbers at least temporarily.
I have days that net low numbers (in the hundreds) but they are few and far between. I usually look to see if the average of a couple days works it out.
The only other thing I will throw out there is everybody is different and I feel like we are condemning a person I don't know. Maybe there are circumstances that we don't know that makes them choose what they feel is the right way.0 -
I would rather do 1200 and burn the 700, if I had to choose between the 2. You need exercise in your everyday life to be healthy, whether you are doing it for weight loss or not.0
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The answer is neither. Even as a hypnothetical question it is just wrong! Why would you want peoples opinions on this? Your just asking people which way would they like to damage themselves or die?! I would rather talk 'hypothetically' about HEALTHY ways to lose weight rather than give my opinions on how I would like to strave myself to death.
Just my opinion but I just don't get why you would post this if you say you wouldn't do this and this is about you or anyone you know?!
ETA:
I would like to say the good thing that has come out of this post is people feeling they can share there own experiences, and clearly pointing out neither is a good idea. Thank you to those who have been able to share there experiences. I hope they can speak to others x
First off, this was way too full of spelling/grammatical errors for me to even attempt to edit.
Second, I asked this question because "starvation mode" is a term that gets thrown around a LOT here, so I was curious as to what individuals opinions were.
Your post was accusatory, rude, and completely uncalled for.
Agreed. They should not have even replied...0 -
As I thought, no one has even said "what starvation mode is."
When you regularly eat too little food to provide your body with the necessary nutrients, it perceives itself to be in danger from starvation. Since your body is wonderfully designed to protect you, it will slow down your metabolism to conserve energy so it can keep vital organs such as the brain and the heart going for as long as possible in the face of the perceived threat. While it will burn fat for fuel, it will also start burning lean muscle mass for fuel, which will slow down your metabolism even further.
Slow metabolism = slow/zero weightloss. You can seriously damage your kidney's with being in 'stravtion mode' for long periods of time, normally when you have an eating disorder.0 -
As I thought, no one has even said "what starvation mode is."
When you regularly eat too little food to provide your body with the necessary nutrients, it perceives itself to be in danger from starvation. Since your body is wonderfully designed to protect you, it will slow down your metabolism to conserve energy so it can keep vital organs such as the brain and the heart going for as long as possible in the face of the perceived threat. While it will burn fat for fuel, it will also start burning lean muscle mass for fuel, which will slow down your metabolism even further.
Slow metabolism = slow/zero weightloss. You can seriously damage your kidney's with being in 'stravtion mode' for long periods of time, normally when you have an eating disorder.
This happens on any diet with a caloric deficit. Anyone want to take a stab at it?0 -
If I had to choose, it'd be to eat 1200 and then exercise.
I wouldn't advise either option, even in a hypothetical situation, though.0 -
The answer is neither. Even as a hypnothetical question it is just wrong! Why would you want peoples opinions on this? Your just asking people which way would they like to damage themselves or die?! I would rather talk 'hypothetically' about HEALTHY ways to lose weight rather than give my opinions on how I would like to strave myself to death.
Just my opinion but I just don't get why you would post this if you say you wouldn't do this and this is about you or anyone you know?!
ETA:
I would like to say the good thing that has come out of this post is people feeling they can share there own experiences, and clearly pointing out neither is a good idea. Thank you to those who have been able to share there experiences. I hope they can speak to others x
First off, this was way too full of spelling/grammatical errors for me to even attempt to edit.
Second, I asked this question because "starvation mode" is a term that gets thrown around a LOT here, so I was curious as to what individuals opinions were.
Your post was accusatory, rude, and completely uncalled for.
Why ask for opinion if you can't accept the ones you don't like? And really...your going to be as childish as to say "First off, this was way too full of spelling/grammatical errors for me to even attempt to edit." Your as bad as me then really? Rude and uncalled for clearly
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As I thought, no one has even said "what starvation mode is."
When you regularly eat too little food to provide your body with the necessary nutrients, it perceives itself to be in danger from starvation. Since your body is wonderfully designed to protect you, it will slow down your metabolism to conserve energy so it can keep vital organs such as the brain and the heart going for as long as possible in the face of the perceived threat. While it will burn fat for fuel, it will also start burning lean muscle mass for fuel, which will slow down your metabolism even further.
Slow metabolism = slow/zero weightloss. You can seriously damage your kidney's with being in 'stravtion mode' for long periods of time, normally when you have an eating disorder.
This happens on any diet with a caloric deficit. Anyone want to take a stab at it?
A starvation diet may help you lose weight quite fast in the short term, you will pay a heavy price because you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of weight problems. Your metabolism gets progressively slower with each day you remain on a starvation diet (Less than 1200 cals net each day). This results in slower metabolism that needs less fuel, so you consistently have to eat less and less to lose weight! As your metabolism slows down even further and your lean muscle mass dwindles you will also find that you become more and more tired. This in turn means you will get less exercise, which leaves you with less lean muscle, and an even slower metabolism. You are literally wasting away. It really is a vicious cycle.0 -
Here's the thing. About a year ago, I started watching what I ate and working out heavily, but I wasn't tracking anything. I was absolutely horrified when I realized I was gaining weight. I went and saw a nutritionist and based on the food diary I gave her, I found out I was eating less than 1200 calories a day. Because of that, my body was taking every bit of food it got and holding on tight.
Medically, your body needs a certain amount of nutrition to survive. You need energy in the form of food to stand, to sit, to sleep, to breathe, to pump blood through your veins. So if you're not eating enough, your body will take what it gets and make it last as long as possible by storing it.
Eating such a low net caloric intake (regardless of whether you're eating 1200 and burning 700 or just eating 500) will result in weight loss, yes, eventually, when your body realizes it can't survive by storing those 500 calories. Your body will scavenge in any way it can, starting with your fat stores and eventually moving onto your muscles.
Not to mention that eating a net of 500 calories will probably leave you feeling weak, dizzy, and exhausted. And hungry, which means you're more likely to binge on something bad because it's right there or because you've fainted and someone is forcing you to eat a cookie to get your blood sugar back up.
Neither option is healthy, and debating which is healthier is neither here nor there. Will the scale show results? Maybe. Maybe you'll be like me and see an increase in body weight, or maybe you'll see the numbers drop, but neither case is a good scenario. You should be eating approximately 1200 NET calories a day. That should be enough for your body to get the nutrition it needs without adding to your fat stores.
Whoever this is being asked for should discuss their concerns and eating habits with a doctor or licensed nutritionist. Every body is different, but this is not a healthy long-term eating plan or mindset.0 -
As I thought, no one has even said "what starvation mode is."
When you regularly eat too little food to provide your body with the necessary nutrients, it perceives itself to be in danger from starvation. Since your body is wonderfully designed to protect you, it will slow down your metabolism to conserve energy so it can keep vital organs such as the brain and the heart going for as long as possible in the face of the perceived threat. While it will burn fat for fuel, it will also start burning lean muscle mass for fuel, which will slow down your metabolism even further.
Slow metabolism = slow/zero weightloss. You can seriously damage your kidney's with being in 'stravtion mode' for long periods of time, normally when you have an eating disorder.
This happens on any diet with a caloric deficit. Anyone want to take a stab at it?
A starvation diet may help you lose weight quite fast in the short term, you will pay a heavy price because you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of weight problems. Your metabolism gets progressively slower with each day you remain on a starvation diet (Less than 1200 cals net each day). This results in slower metabolism that needs less fuel, so you consistently have to eat less and less to lose weight! As your metabolism slows down even further and your lean muscle mass dwindles you will also find that you become more and more tired. This in turn means you will get less exercise, which leaves you with less lean muscle, and an even slower metabolism. You are literally wasting away. It really is a vicious cycle.
I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. ANY diet with reduce calories, would cause you to lose weight, even muscle mass and will slow down your metabolism to some degree. If i went from a 3,500 caloire diet, to a 2,500 calorie diet. I will lose weight bodyfat/muscle. If I went from 1500 to 500, same results, loss of muscle mass and bodyfat. How Can I be in starvation mode at 2,500 calories? In both cases metabolism will slow down.0 -
There's a couple things wrong with this post. The OP asks if we *personally* think one is better than the other, then asks for research. It wouldn't be personal if there were research involved... just saying
second, someone mentioned 800 calorie diets for obese people. The OP says this isn't about her, but I'm willing to bet that whoever it is about isn't obese. any 800 calorie a day diet would be used under doctor supervision for someone morbidly obese. not someone who needs to lose a few pounds. It sounds like disordered eating.
thirdly, either way you pick, it's disordered eating. so it's not an answer but i pick neither. someone who isn't morbidly obese doesn't need to be limiting their intake/net to 500 calories a day.
that's my two cents.
Actually, it says "your opinions, researched or not."
Some people like to post research with their statements. I threw that in there to state that I would like to hear from people with solid research behind their opinions, and those without it.
Again, don't assume what you don't know.
well, prove me wrong. how much does this hypothetical person weigh and how tall are they? if they're not morbidly obese and they don't have supervision from a doctor, there is no reason they should be limiting their intake/net to 500 calories a day0 -
I actually just blogged about this yesterday! http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/jess213tx
You can see how it worked for me.
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As I thought, no one has even said "what starvation mode is."
When you regularly eat too little food to provide your body with the necessary nutrients, it perceives itself to be in danger from starvation. Since your body is wonderfully designed to protect you, it will slow down your metabolism to conserve energy so it can keep vital organs such as the brain and the heart going for as long as possible in the face of the perceived threat. While it will burn fat for fuel, it will also start burning lean muscle mass for fuel, which will slow down your metabolism even further.
Slow metabolism = slow/zero weightloss. You can seriously damage your kidney's with being in 'stravtion mode' for long periods of time, normally when you have an eating disorder.
This happens on any diet with a caloric deficit. Anyone want to take a stab at it?
A starvation diet may help you lose weight quite fast in the short term, you will pay a heavy price because you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of weight problems. Your metabolism gets progressively slower with each day you remain on a starvation diet (Less than 1200 cals net each day). This results in slower metabolism that needs less fuel, so you consistently have to eat less and less to lose weight! As your metabolism slows down even further and your lean muscle mass dwindles you will also find that you become more and more tired. This in turn means you will get less exercise, which leaves you with less lean muscle, and an even slower metabolism. You are literally wasting away. It really is a vicious cycle.
I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. ANY diet with reduce calories, would cause you to lose weight, even muscle mass and will slow down your metabolism to some degree. If i went from a 3,500 caloire diet, to a 2,500 calorie diet. I will lose weight bodyfat/muscle. If I went from 1500 to 500, same results, loss of muscle mass and bodyfat. How Can I be in starvation mode at 2,500 calories? In both cases metabolism will slow down.
Starvation mode exists. Any calories deficite will slow down your metobolism, you are right there. But starvation mode occurs when you are eating so little your body can't fuel itself. This is different for everybody. Eating too little is unhealthy. It may give quick results but it creates bad eating habits and breeds eating disorders. Plateaus are natural parts of any weightloss plan, and we expect results quickly as it has been quick at the beginning. People mistake this period for starvation mode, when actually you just need to vary your diet and keep at it. Maybe re-think your goals and start focusing on inches, not pounds.
Starvation mode doesn't just affect your BMR. It affects your brain, your moods, reproductive system. Your organs are under immense pressure and the damage you are doing is just unthinkable. Also rather insulting to those poor people in under developed countries who are starving due famine, and some people do it through choice?! (Sorry I find it hard to comprehend eating disorders. That's just me though so please excuse my ignorance and opinion. Until something affects you, its hard to understand it).
You wouldn't be starving eating 2500. If you were eating only 500-800 you would get there eventually.0 -
I think people overstate the effects of eating less on one's metabolism. It's not a HUGE effect, unless you're getting down to essential levels of body fat (pretty darn low) and even then it doesn't last forever. As soon as you start eating more, metabolism will rebound.0
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By eating 2500 calories sugar.How Can I be in starvation mode at 2,500 calories?0 -
By eating 2500 calories sugar.How Can I be in starvation mode at 2,500 calories?
Lol! Sorry this made me giggle :laugh:0 -
my guess is that it would be about the same.0
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Sorry! :laugh:
I'm trying to type on my iphone, replied with "2500 calories of crap carbs and sugar", went back to edit and add to that and ended up losing a few words. I'll fix it up in a minute when I'm on my laptop.0 -
I still need to get to my laptop but wanted to add that there are many obese yet malnourished people that are in "starvation mode".
Ick...I don't like the term starvation mode. Anyway,0 -
As I thought, no one has even said "what starvation mode is."
When you regularly eat too little food to provide your body with the necessary nutrients, it perceives itself to be in danger from starvation. Since your body is wonderfully designed to protect you, it will slow down your metabolism to conserve energy so it can keep vital organs such as the brain and the heart going for as long as possible in the face of the perceived threat. While it will burn fat for fuel, it will also start burning lean muscle mass for fuel, which will slow down your metabolism even further.
Slow metabolism = slow/zero weightloss. You can seriously damage your kidney's with being in 'stravtion mode' for long periods of time, normally when you have an eating disorder.
This happens on any diet with a caloric deficit. Anyone want to take a stab at it?
A starvation diet may help you lose weight quite fast in the short term, you will pay a heavy price because you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of weight problems. Your metabolism gets progressively slower with each day you remain on a starvation diet (Less than 1200 cals net each day). This results in slower metabolism that needs less fuel, so you consistently have to eat less and less to lose weight! As your metabolism slows down even further and your lean muscle mass dwindles you will also find that you become more and more tired. This in turn means you will get less exercise, which leaves you with less lean muscle, and an even slower metabolism. You are literally wasting away. It really is a vicious cycle.
I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. ANY diet with reduce calories, would cause you to lose weight, even muscle mass and will slow down your metabolism to some degree. If i went from a 3,500 caloire diet, to a 2,500 calorie diet. I will lose weight bodyfat/muscle. If I went from 1500 to 500, same results, loss of muscle mass and bodyfat. How Can I be in starvation mode at 2,500 calories? In both cases metabolism will slow down.
Starvation mode exists. Any calories deficite will slow down your metobolism, you are right there. But starvation mode occurs when you are eating so little your body can't fuel itself. This is different for everybody. Eating too little is unhealthy. It may give quick results but it creates bad eating habits and breeds eating disorders. Plateaus are natural parts of any weightloss plan, and we expect results quickly as it has been quick at the beginning. People mistake this period for starvation mode, when actually you just need to vary your diet and keep at it. Maybe re-think your goals and start focusing on inches, not pounds.
Starvation mode doesn't just affect your BMR. It affects your brain, your moods, reproductive system. Your organs are under immense pressure and the damage you are doing is just unthinkable. Also rather insulting to those poor people in under developed countries who are starving due famine, and some people do it through choice?! (Sorry I find it hard to comprehend eating disorders. That's just me though so please excuse my ignorance and opinion. Until something affects you, its hard to understand it).
You wouldn't be starving eating 2500. If you were eating only 500-800 you would get there eventually.
Your body will use ketones for brain function, and break down protein for glucose in the process called gluconeogensis. You can accomplish this on a 3000 calorie a day diet.0 -
Your body will use ketones for brain function, and break down protein for glucose in the process called gluconeogensis. You can accomplish this on a 3000 calorie a day diet.
Yes, and to accomplish this, you are literally breaking down your body. Your system pulls the compounds needed to synthesize glucose from your fat stores, yes, but also from your muscles and your organs.0 -
Fat is used to produce ketones, if you're talking about gluconeogensis, yeah protein is used. This can still be done on a 3,000 calorie diet. So were is starvation mode? that's my ultimate question.Your body will use ketones for brain function, and break down protein for glucose in the process called gluconeogensis. You can accomplish this on a 3000 calorie a day diet.
Yes, and to accomplish this, you are literally breaking down your body. Your system pulls the compounds needed to synthesize glucose from your fat stores, yes, but also from your muscles and your organs.
No one has fully answered what it is, i dismissed a few theories already, still waiting for more..0 -
Fat is used to produce ketones, if you're talking about gluconeogensis, yeah protein is used. This can still be done on a 3,000 calorie diet. So were is starvation mode? that's my ultimate question.Your body will use ketones for brain function, and break down protein for glucose in the process called gluconeogensis. You can accomplish this on a 3000 calorie a day diet.
Yes, and to accomplish this, you are literally breaking down your body. Your system pulls the compounds needed to synthesize glucose from your fat stores, yes, but also from your muscles and your organs.
No one has fully answered what it is, i dismissed a few theories already, still waiting for more..
You have dismissed no theories at all. You have replaced them with your own theories as you believe your diet is the right one. Others disagree. And rightly so. This is all all your opinion based on the research you have read which speaks best to you.
You are just so wrapped up in yourself and that your opinion is right and everyone elses in wrong that you refuse to see anyone elses point of view. You will counter any theory anyone gives because you believe starvation mode doesn't exist. Good for you. Your views however I believe are wrong. But thats be beauty of this world. You can agree and disagree with whoever you like. You can waste as much time as you want explaining your theories but sometimes it best to concentrate on yourself rather than proving others wrong. (Well you think you are proving them wrong) 0 -
Fat is used to produce ketones, if you're talking about gluconeogensis, yeah protein is used. This can still be done on a 3,000 calorie diet. So were is starvation mode? that's my ultimate question.Your body will use ketones for brain function, and break down protein for glucose in the process called gluconeogensis. You can accomplish this on a 3000 calorie a day diet.
Yes, and to accomplish this, you are literally breaking down your body. Your system pulls the compounds needed to synthesize glucose from your fat stores, yes, but also from your muscles and your organs.
No one has fully answered what it is, i dismissed a few theories already, still waiting for more..
You have dismissed no theories at all. You have replaced them with your own theories as you believe your diet is the right one. Others disagree. And rightly so. This is all all your opinion based on the research you have read which speaks best to you.
You are just so wrapped up in yourself and that your opinion is right and everyone elses in wrong that you refuse to see anyone elses point of view. You will counter any theory anyone gives because you believe starvation mode doesn't exist. Good for you. Your views however I believe are wrong. But thats be beauty of this world. You can agree and disagree with whoever you like. You can waste as much time as you want explaining your theories but sometimes it best to concentrate on yourself rather than proving others wrong. (Well you think you are proving them wrong)
You claim hat starvation mode is when your body uses it's own resources. I already mentioned how your body will use it's own resources on any caloric deficit. That's why bodybuilders lose muscle mass when they reduce their calories. You also mentioned internal stress on organ, eating 10,000 calories a day won't produce stress on organs? Of course it does, has nothing to do with a low caloric diet.
According to your theory people get in to starvation mode around 500 calories a day, so everyone who had gastric bypass is in starvatoin mode according to you.0 -
From what I've learned on the subject... The fewer calories you eat, the more likely your body is to store fat. Your body can burn muscle much more efficiently than it can burn fat so when you're not eating enough calories it burns the musle and stores the fat.
This is one reason it's so important to exercise. Another reason would be, the more muscle you have, the more calories your body burns every day.
If a person only ate 500 calories a day, their body wouold be more likely to store fat in "emergency mode" and burn muscle for fuel. When this happens, people start feeling run down and tired. In my opinion, it's impossible to lose weight and keep it off without regular exercise.0 -
There is a group of people who do this thing CRON - Calorie Restriction/Optimal Nutrition. I read about it a long time ago and I don't know if they are still around, but they restrict calories (I can't remember how much) to be like these CRON mice that lived a super long time in an experiment (hoping that humans will be like the mice). They restrict calories quite a lot but they don't eat junk food, they control the nutrition in their diet quite strictly, and I think they don't really believe in eating a whole bunch just to burn it off.
I thought I'd put it out there, it's just another way of doing things... (it seems pretty extreme to me - not an easy or fun path).
I was talking about this with a friend the other day. She's staying with someone this week who does this way of eating and has done it for a long time I think. Like you said, it's apparently based on research in mice that suggests a very low calorie diet can dramatically increase life-span. I believe she eats somewhere between 500 and 800 calories a day (before exercise). I have no idea how she does it or what her health is like! Definitely not something I would try.0
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