tim tebow

godblessourhome

are you a fan or no?

hubby has been watching some documentaries on him lately. he seems like a nice young man, but i think quinn would be a better choice to start. do you think heart and high energy is better than aim and fundamentals?

southofmadness

hell yes but im abit biased..UF fan here so this was a no brainer . Plus he seems to be a great kid. GO GATORS

lor007

I actually don't know Mr. Tebow. Is he nice? I am generally a fan of the nice guys.

couponfun

Gator Fan here...he's a great guy and in spite of what Elway and Co have been trying to do to sabotage him he's always ALWAYS kept his head up. All he does is win, work his tail off and wear his heart and religion on his sleeve. For goodness sake, at the ESPYs his group was drinking and Tim ordered MILK at the bar. No problems, no drinking...nothing.

He always gave his time freely to his fans and to children/charities. People basically can't really find something wrong on him so they knock him for his faith. That's it. That's all they can harp on. That and mechanics but folks then are in love with Newton. The difference? Newton was Tebow's BACKUP at Florida.

Anyways, huge Tebow fan, and I'm really hoping he does well. But right now the media and Elway are so against him, he could score 10 TDs this weekend and it won't be enough. Elway is a jealous power freak who hates how Tebow has taken over his stronghold as Denver's favorite.

Anyway, my 2 cents. I only wish they trade him to the Vikings so he and Percy can get together

ninerbuff

We'll find out if Tebow is NFL material. His mechanics are bad and he can't read defenses well. There have been many great specimens of athleticism who were first round picks that didn't pan out. He does have the support of the fans, but if you don't win, it will be a short lived career.

couponfun

We'll find out if Tebow is NFL material. His mechanics are bad and he can't read defenses well. There have been many great specimens of athleticism who were first round picks that didn't pan out. He does have the support of the fans, but if you don't win, it will be a short lived career.

Very true...but there have been other QB's that have not had good mechanics that have done very well. And there are others with perfect mechanics that have bombed in the NFL. You have to have more than just the base mechanics. You cannot train heart or will to win, or inspiring your team to fight back. Frankly what has hurt the most has been no off-season/shortened training camp, 2 systems in 2 years, a GM who is in love with himself AND Andrew Luck, and a coach who doesn't know how to use his skills. That's been the thing at Carolina with Newton. The new coach looked at Newton and made the gameplan AROUND Newton, making sure to use his skills to their advantage. With Tebow there has been no such thing, and even then, look at his record and numbers - not bad considering.

He would have benefited from 1-2 years behind a decent QB in a good system while learning to read defenses, etc, but Denver doesn't have that. Add to that the fact that Elway and Co traded away Brandon Lloyd for a 6th round pick and it's almost like they want him to fail so that they can say to the fans, "we told you so."

Like I said, I hope they trade him to a team that will appreciate him and know how to use him.

Iamfit4life

I think he can be a great leader, and is a great guy.

Whether he can play QB in the NFL and win is another thing.
It's not like he out performed the other Quarterbacks in camp, he didn't. If he did, he'd be starting.

I do not like how the Broncos seem to be toying with him though.

d2footballJRC

Very true...but there have been other QB's that have not had good mechanics that have done very well. And there are others with perfect mechanics that have bombed in the NFL. You have to have more than just the base mechanics. You cannot train heart or will to win, or inspiring your team to fight back. Frankly what has hurt the most has been no off-season/shortened training camp, 2 systems in 2 years, a GM who is in love with himself AND Andrew Luck, and a coach who doesn't know how to use his skills. That's been the thing at Carolina with Newton. The new coach looked at Newton and made the gameplan AROUND Newton, making sure to use his skills to their advantage. With Tebow there has been no such thing, and even then, look at his record and numbers - not bad considering.

He would have benefited from 1-2 years behind a decent QB in a good system while learning to read defenses, etc, but Denver doesn't have that. Add to that the fact that Elway and Co traded away Brandon Lloyd for a 6th round pick and it's almost like they want him to fail so that they can say to the fans, "we told you so."

Like I said, I hope they trade him to a team that will appreciate him and know how to use him.

I agree to an extent BUT Newton has a much better deep ball and his throwing mechanics is an over under which leads to less knocked down passes. Tebow is trying to adjust to that style of passing but his deep ball isn't there. Tebow needs to be inside 20-25 yards to be effective.. In essence he is a Steve Young with better wheels. They need to endorse the west coast offense in Denver and keep it short passing plays.

As for other Newton vs Tebow comparisons..

Newton is a slightly better runner and a marginally better passer. Add in the fact he has a better team surrounding him and he is in a much better position then Tebow. That is the biggest key for a NFL QB. Tom Brady isn't a super gifted QB. He plays behind one of the best NFL lines and has amazing talent surrounding him. Example.. Matt Cassell look what he did behind the Patriots O-Line...then he came to KC. The team surrounding the QB is just as important if not more important then the QB's talents himself.

couponfun

Very true...but there have been other QB's that have not had good mechanics that have done very well. And there are others with perfect mechanics that have bombed in the NFL. You have to have more than just the base mechanics. You cannot train heart or will to win, or inspiring your team to fight back. Frankly what has hurt the most has been no off-season/shortened training camp, 2 systems in 2 years, a GM who is in love with himself AND Andrew Luck, and a coach who doesn't know how to use his skills. That's been the thing at Carolina with Newton. The new coach looked at Newton and made the gameplan AROUND Newton, making sure to use his skills to their advantage. With Tebow there has been no such thing, and even then, look at his record and numbers - not bad considering.

He would have benefited from 1-2 years behind a decent QB in a good system while learning to read defenses, etc, but Denver doesn't have that. Add to that the fact that Elway and Co traded away Brandon Lloyd for a 6th round pick and it's almost like they want him to fail so that they can say to the fans, "we told you so."

Like I said, I hope they trade him to a team that will appreciate him and know how to use him.

I agree to an extent BUT Newton has a much better deep ball and his throwing mechanics is an over under which leads to less knocked down passes. Tebow is trying to adjust to that style of passing but his deep ball isn't there. Tebow needs to be inside 20-25 yards to be effective.. In essence he is a Steve Young with better wheels. They need to endorse the west coast offense in Denver and keep it short passing plays.

As for other Newton vs Tebow comparisons..

Newton is a slightly better runner and a marginally better passer. Add in the fact he has a better team surrounding him and he is in a much better position then Tebow. That is the biggest key for a NFL QB. Tom Brady isn't a super gifted QB. He plays behind one of the best NFL lines and has amazing talent surrounding him. Example.. Matt Cassell look what he did behind the Patriots O-Line...then he came to KC. The team surrounding the QB is just as important if not more important then the QB's talents himself.

completely agree with the supporting cast thing and the system thing. Again, though, Fox and Co don't seem inclined to do anything that might seem to help him - heck they traded Lloyd for a 6th round pick instead of getting him more weapons or help on the line.


as for his passing....here's a bit from cbssportsline : "Known for his ability to run with the ball, Tebow closed out his career ranked 11th in Southeastern Conference history with 9,285 yards passing, tying for third in those record books with 88 touchdown passes, as his pass efficiency rating of 170.79 set the all-time SEC record. He also holds the conference career-record for total offense with 12,232 yards and in touchdowns responsible for (145). Those 145 touchdowns rank second on the NCAA Football Bowl Division record charts, as his pass efficiency rating is also a major college football all-time mark. "

So he can pass - he needs a system suited to his strengths and a good cast and a coach and GM that actually want to work with him and not looking for him to fail so they can feel better about themselves.

Anyhow...again, my 2 cents

godblessourhome

what did you think of the dolphin/broncos game? 95% dull/frustrating and 5% exciting. does tebow get a pass for all the errors because they won the game?

dandrews010

People expect errors off Tim. He isn't technically great but he makes things happen! He wasn't great technically, but he made it happen! Plus he is a fantasy king.

couponfun

Tebow gets a pass for the following reasons:

1. He has no receivers. They traded away his ONE GOOD receiver for a 6th round pick. Those receivers that are left weren't always catching balls they were supposed to catch.

2. Fox and Co refuse to tailor a gameplan for Tebow. It's when he finally relaxed and started doing his own thing that he finally does well. He is not Kyle Orton.

3. Technically he's still a rookie. Think on the amount of time others have had to work at the college to NFL transition.

4. Fox and Co refuse to have ANY faith in him and refused to name him the starter. It can't help when your own team refuses to have confidence in you and cheer for you.

5. As the game progressed he got better and better, and I think you'll see a lot of improvement.

With all the day's losses/wins, Bronco fans just realized that they're something, like, 2 games back so the season is NOT lost.

Go Gators, and Go Tebow

ninerbuff

Tom Brady isn't a super gifted QB. He plays behind one of the best NFL lines and has amazing talent surrounding him

While Brady's O line is good, it's not the same line he's had for 9 years. Brady is very good, talented and accurate. Always has been one of the top QB's even without super talented receivers.

couponfun

Tom Brady isn't a super gifted QB. He plays behind one of the best NFL lines and has amazing talent surrounding him

While Brady's O line is good, it's not the same line he's had for 9 years. Brady is very good, talented and accurate. Always has been one of the top QB's even without super talented receivers.

Brady's also been in the league longer and has a much better staff around him, coaching and playing. As the game progressed you could see his reads, etc, getting better, and even the pundits admitted that a few of his incomplete passes were ones that Lloyd would've likely come up with. He himself admitted that he was nervous and too afraid to mess up, and when everyone loosened up that's when things changed.

Doesn't help that the owner/coach have no faith in him and won't support him, that the play calling has been left the same as if Orton was in (when Tebow ran "his" offense in so-called "garbage time" THAT'S when the magic happened)...but give him time. There's improvement already - although word is that the Miami owner was hoping Denver would lose and he'd tank so he could go after Tebow.

He has the "it" that some others so. You can't teach heart, you can't teach drive, and you can't teach the will to get it done and fight no matter what, until the very last is left on that field. THAT'S Tebow.

BTW, Peyton Manning was 3-13 his first season. Just saying

couponfun

On the bright side all the cheering and jumping up and down I did yesterday seeing the highlights (in freakin' NY so we had the stupid jets game) counts as cardio!! :laugh:

ninerbuff

Brady's also been in the league longer and has a much better staff around him, coaching and playing. As the game progressed you could see his reads, etc, getting better, and even the pundits admitted that a few of his incomplete passes were ones that Lloyd would've likely come up with. He himself admitted that he was nervous and too afraid to mess up, and when everyone loosened up that's when things changed.

Doesn't help that the owner/coach have no faith in him and won't support him, that the play calling has been left the same as if Orton was in (when Tebow ran "his" offense in so-called "garbage time" THAT'S when the magic happened)...but give him time. There's improvement already - although word is that the Miami owner was hoping Denver would lose and he'd tank so he could go after Tebow.

He has the "it" that some others so. You can't teach heart, you can't teach drive, and you can't teach the will to get it done and fight no matter what, until the very last is left on that field. THAT'S Tebow.

BTW, Peyton Manning was 3-13 his first season. Just saying

Years ago there was a quarterback who inspired people with his heart, play making ability and was loved by the fans. He put his all into playing, but yet the teams never did well in rankings and didn't continued on to the playoffs. Do you remember Doug Flutie?

_Timmeh_

At some point you can't keep blaming the coach or the gm or the receivers...running backs and TE's next?
He's got heart that's for sure. I agree the west coast offense would suit him great!

ninerbuff

With an 18.2 rating against a sad defense, what will happen when he faces a good defense? It's just one game so far, but for the majority of the game he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn passing.

ninerbuff

Boom! Tebow fans back to reality! Just like last week he was horrible and took 7 sacks this game along with throwing under 50 percent again. There will be crickets on this thread soon.

Iamfit4life

Boom! Tebow fans back to reality! Just like last week he was horrible and took 7 sacks this game along with throwing under 50 percent again. There will be crickets on this thread soon.

I adore you now. lol

thor1god1of1awesome

best tebowing ever....http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stephen-Tulloch-sacks-Tim-Tebow-then-Tebows-all?urn=nfl-wp10691

couponfun

Boom! Tebow fans back to reality! Just like last week he was horrible and took 7 sacks this game along with throwing under 50 percent again. There will be crickets on this thread soon.

Considering this isn't a sports board I'm not expecting there to be a ton of activity about this :laugh:

Now, as a big Tebow supporter - yes he had a bad game. You know who else scored one touchdown yesterday? Drew Brees, Matt Shaub, A.J. Feeley, Matt Hasselbeck, Curtis Painter, Kevin Kolb (47.8 percentage) - and Joe Flacco didn't score at all.

So are fans of those other players supposed to say "OH MY GOD THE WORLD IS OVER!!!" No. Tebow needs to learn. All Tebow fans wanted was the CHANCE for him to play. He had a bad game against a good defense. The Tebow factor will be what he does now in ADJUSTING to what he's seen. I mean, really, what has he seen defense-wise all season? Oh, by the way, WHAT RECEIVERS does he have? Run game - his main RB is OUT still after hand surgery. Oh and the Denver line?? One of THE worst rated lines in the league. So yes he was sacked 7 times. Having a line that is the equivalent of an open door will do that as well.

As usual all that will happen this week is all the Tebow haters - who frankly hate him for nothing more than his religion and his emotion - will come out jumping for joy going "WE TOLD YOU! WE TOLD YOU!! HA HA HA HA"

BTW, would love to see all those who are fans of Peyton Manning, even John Elway, Troy Aikman come out on the social networks during THEIR first years as starters.

Manning 3-13
Elway's AVERAGE % rating his rookie year.... 47.5

Aikman 0-11 his rookie year.

Number of comebacks for Elway his career - 2. Ever. Tebow in 5 starts *including this weekend's....2

But hey, don't get something like stats get in the way...after all folks are only too happy to see the good guys fail. If he were someone in trouble with the law, who beats his woman, who did drugs, and had no religion, everyone would be just fine and dandy.

So for those of us who are not only fans of the player but of the MAN and his CHARACTER, this...is...no...big...deal. But by all means everyone else that feels the need to pound their chest with glee about him having a bad game, have at it.

Iamfit4life

He probably won't be a Manning, In fact he may not compare with many of the men you listed.

The one thing he has that you can't take away, is the kid has heart.
And he's a good crier.

Azdak

We'll find out if Tebow is NFL material. His mechanics are bad and he can't read defenses well.

Other than that, Mrs Lincoln---how did you like the play?

ladylu11

Yes! I'm a Tebow fan! I hope he does very well and goes very far to hush his critics.

ninerbuff

Considering this isn't a sports board I'm not expecting there to be a ton of activity about this :laugh:

Now, as a big Tebow supporter - yes he had a bad game. You know who else scored one touchdown yesterday? Drew Brees, Matt Shaub, A.J. Feeley, Matt Hasselbeck, Curtis Painter, Kevin Kolb (47.8 percentage) - and Joe Flacco didn't score at all.

So are fans of those other players supposed to say "OH MY GOD THE WORLD IS OVER!!!" No. Tebow needs to learn. All Tebow fans wanted was the CHANCE for him to play. He had a bad game against a good defense. The Tebow factor will be what he does now in ADJUSTING to what he's seen. I mean, really, what has he seen defense-wise all season? Oh, by the way, WHAT RECEIVERS does he have? Run game - his main RB is OUT still after hand surgery. Oh and the Denver line?? One of THE worst rated lines in the league. So yes he was sacked 7 times. Having a line that is the equivalent of an open door will do that as well.

As usual all that will happen this week is all the Tebow haters - who frankly hate him for nothing more than his religion and his emotion - will come out jumping for joy going "WE TOLD YOU! WE TOLD YOU!! HA HA HA HA"

BTW, would love to see all those who are fans of Peyton Manning, even John Elway, Troy Aikman come out on the social networks during THEIR first years as starters.

Manning 3-13
Elway's AVERAGE % rating his rookie year.... 47.5

Aikman 0-11 his rookie year.

Number of comebacks for Elway his career - 2. Ever. Tebow in 5 starts *including this weekend's....2

But hey, don't get something like stats get in the way...after all folks are only too happy to see the good guys fail. If he were someone in trouble with the law, who beats his woman, who did drugs, and had no religion, everyone would be just fine and dandy.

So for those of us who are not only fans of the player but of the MAN and his CHARACTER, this...is...no...big...deal. But by all means everyone else that feels the need to pound their chest with glee about him having a bad game, have at it.

Don't buy it. Orton still had good numbers before he was benched and with the exception of LLoyd, had the same team. And Tebow had a worse week than last week. He played horrible last week against a bad defense and this week was worse against a good defense.
Cam Newton backed up Tebow. Newton doesn't have great support on his team either, but can ball. And Cam's a good guy who's religious and has leadership and character. He also has some bad mechanics, but he can play.
I think Tebow is a great physical athlete. And I feel the same with Newton. I thought NEITHER could play in the NFL. Cam has proved he can. Tebow hasn't.

ninerbuff

Yes! I'm a Tebow fan! I hope he does very well and goes very far to hush his critics.

I don't think he's going to do much hushing. He can run, but he can't throw because he has horrible mechanics. Look at his passing stats in 2 games.

_Timmeh_

Opponents are even weighing in saying it's embarrassing.....

All the excuses made for Tebow somehow don't apply to Orton when he was the starter?


I thought this was a perfect quote...
"While few NFL players seem to have a problem with Tebow on a personal level, I know plenty who are put off by the mythology and the holier-than-thou fan base that lionizes his every accomplishment and perceives negative depictions of his ability through a persecution-complex-tinted prism"

Iamfit4life

Opponents are even weighing in saying it's embarrassing.....

All the excuses made for Tebow somehow don't apply to Orton when he was the starter?


I thought this was a perfect quote...
"While few NFL players seem to have a problem with Tebow on a personal level, I know plenty who are put off by the mythology and the holier-than-thou fan base that lionizes his every accomplishment and perceives negative depictions of his ability through a persecution-complex-tinted prism"

LOVE that quote!!!

ninerbuff

Opponents are even weighing in saying it's embarrassing.....

All the excuses made for Tebow somehow don't apply to Orton when he was the starter?


I thought this was a perfect quote...
"While few NFL players seem to have a problem with Tebow on a personal level, I know plenty who are put off by the mythology and the holier-than-thou fan base that lionizes his every accomplishment and perceives negative depictions of his ability through a persecution-complex-tinted prism"

Everyone want's the "goody boy" to be good. If he was good I'd have no problem. IMO, benching Orton was stupid. Yeah they were losing, but who's to say that Orton couldn't have beaten Miami? Actually everyone is beating them so I would have gave Orton the nod, but I guess the fans know football better than coaches.

amsandin

I am definitely a Tebow fan! I think he is an incredible person who is capable of doing incredible things, on and off the field. I really didn't know much about him when he was a Gator. Living in Arizona our schools never played him. The only time I think I ever saw him in college was the 2008 championship game, but I wish I had seen more games with him to have a better idea of what he's capable of as a QB.

I will admit college football and pro-football can be very different. So many star college players haven't done anything in the pros, could Tebow be one of them, possibly. What frustrates me the most is what a few others on this thread have already pointed out, is that he hasn't been given enough time to prove anything yet really. He has looked pretty bad so far this year in 7 quarters of play (3.5 on 10/23 and 3.5 on 10/30) yet strangely in the 3 other quarters he's looked incredible! Granted he wasn't able to lead the Broncos to a comeback win against the Chargers but he outscored them in the 2nd half 14-6. You can easily say about his pro career so far that when he's bad he's scary bad and when he's good he's crazy good. What he needs, as well as his fans, his teammates, his coaches, and the rest of the NFL world, is just the normal young player amount of time to learn the pro system and hopefully develop into a pro QB. All this silly hype hasn't helped anyone! I feel bad for him, Orton, Quinn, and even Fox (Don't like his play calling AT ALL!) Let Tebow have the time to learn, it's not like the Broncos are anywhere near playoff material at this point or even for the next few years. If Tebow doesn't improve over the next season and a half, then I think, being the upstanding guy he is, even Tebow will say it's time to move on. He has incredible ethics and one thing I truly believe is that if he honestly felt like he wasn't able to cut it in the pros then he would step down. As long as he believes he can do it, I'll be supporting him. I've been a Bronco fan for 20 years now, I don't like watching them lose, but if I have to watch them lose for awhile so Tebow can have the opportunity he deserves to grow, then that's fine with me. What is a couple seasons if it could mean another Elway or Montana!