Is this where it starts? With Disney Princesses?

woou

My mommy never called me a princess D;. Or that I was precious .___.;; She told me to not be stupid like all the other kids and do well in school XD.

My mom called me by my name or my nickname (which is a short version of my name).

ket_the_jet

I'm pretty sure my 4-year old, even though he loves Spiderman, knows that he'll never be able to shoot webs from his wrists and scale tall buildings.

Not with that attitude.
-wtk

summalovaable

It's a little ironic to the people saying "Oh I always watched that, you're reading too much in to it little girls don't look at it that way at all." You're right. They don't. However, our foundations as children make who we are as adults. There's a quite famous quote by B.F. skinner that states

"Give me a dozen healthy infants ... and my own specified world to bring them up in and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select — doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief and yes, even beggar-man and thief, regardless of his talents, penchants, tendencies, abilities, vocations, and race of his ancestors."

You may bring a child to be anything you wish, as long as these foundations are shaped into their early child hood. No, disney princess never told you you were fat. YOU likely have told yourself that, and where do you think these little ideas were implanted?

P.S. I love princess movies, I still watch them as often as I can, but that doesn't mean that the underlying messages aren't somewhat affecting little children. And for those of you saying "you're reading WAY to far into this" keep in mind, there are ENTIRE university courses dedicated to this kind of stuff. There's no such thing as over analyzing.... usually Unless you want to start into some type low carb vs all carb debate, then you might be over analyzing a little too much

LisaKyle11

And by the way, I hate that people call them "Disney" princesses. Most of them are characters from European fairy tales from hundreds of years ago.

yes, this too.

i don't let this whole thing get to me anymore. it used to... i would get in heated conversations/debates with others about it all, but truth be told, i still enjoy(ed) the 'real' stories/fairy tales before they became 'Disney' and i still enjoy most of the Disney movies that include these princesses. Jasmine is my fav!

TheShelterCat

I'm pretty sure my 4-year old, even though he loves Spiderman, knows that he'll never be able to shoot webs from his wrists and scale tall buildings.

Not with that attitude.
-wtk

kmbrooks15

Normally, I'd agree with you, but with the constant pressure in this country on younger and younger girls to be thin, it can be a bit concerning. My daughter is 12 and is already talking about counting calories even though she is slim already. Little girls grow up playing with Barbies with their insane figures, then they see Disney princesses all looking so skinny. I will say, though, that the girls that dress as these characters at the Disney parks are slim, but not unhealthy slim, so at least the real women they use have reasonable figures.

That's when you as a parent step in and guide your kids, explaining that Disney is not real, healthy doesn't mean stick thin, etc.

Exactly. I've been telling my daughter that she does not need to lose weight and to just concentrate on being healthy. The problem is that many parents don't step in. I see it in my daughter's friends on a regular basis and have to try to counteract that influence from her friends, which is often more powerful than the influence from Disney characters or Barbies or whatever.

SkateboardFi

And by the way, I hate that people call them "Disney" princesses. Most of them are characters from European fairy tales from hundreds of years ago.

yep. and most of them did NOT have a happy ending..especially cinderella LMAO

Silverkittycat

I'm pretty sure my 4-year old, even though he loves Spiderman, knows that he'll never be able to shoot webs from his wrists and scale tall buildings.

Not with that attitude.
-wtk

Love!

SPheonix22

What about all the social pressures of the men?

Yeah, but at least you guys have a couple things to fall back on.

sparklesammy

I know that this thread has been about how unrealistic the Disney princesses were but if i had to pick one for a role model it would be Belle.

She can read, she is a deep thinker. She is sought after by the stereotypical "good catch" gaston but she turns him down becasue she wants someone with a bit more substance. she sacrifices her freedom for someone she loves and stands her ground in the face of opression, and manages to change her oppressors outlook by repaying his initial ill-treatment with kindness and patience.

And she has a lovely voice : )

TavistockToad

Meh, I don't get worked up over this. They're cartoons. Cartoons don't look like real people anyway. I LOVE these movies (Little Mermaid was my favorite when I was 4!!! LOL). I dunno, I guess I think people read too far into stuff like this. I never equated Disney princesses to real life when I was little.

I'm with you on this one!

DannyMussels

I'm sure these versions woulda been much more realistic and successful........






:huh:

mandeiko

I know that this thread has been about how unrealistic the Disney princesses were but if i had to pick one for a role model it would be Belle.

She can read, she is a deep thinker. She is sought after by the stereotypical "good catch" gaston but she turns him down becasue she wants someone with a bit more substance. she sacrifices her freedom for someone she loves and stands her ground in the face of opression, and manages to change her oppressors outlook by repaying his initial ill-treatment with kindness and patience.

And she has a lovely voice : )

I can agree with this. She is the one I relate to most... being a book worm, being independent, kicking jerk-offs to the curb when they approach me, and going for the not-so-typical man who ends up being the best catch there is

adjones5

It's a little ironic to the people saying "Oh I always watched that, you're reading too much in to it little girls don't look at it that way at all." You're right. They don't. However, our foundations as children make who we are as adults. There's a quite famous quote by B.F. skinner that states

"Give me a dozen healthy infants ... and my own specified world to bring them up in and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select — doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief and yes, even beggar-man and thief, regardless of his talents, penchants, tendencies, abilities, vocations, and race of his ancestors."

You may bring a child to be anything you wish, as long as these foundations are shaped into their early child hood. No, disney princess never told you you were fat. YOU likely have told yourself that, and where do you think these little ideas were implanted?

P.S. I love princess movies, I still watch them as often as I can, but that doesn't mean that the underlying messages aren't somewhat affecting little children. And for those of you saying "you're reading WAY to far into this" keep in mind, there are ENTIRE university courses dedicated to this kind of stuff. There's no such thing as over analyzing.... usually Unless you want to start into some type low carb vs all carb debate, then you might be over analyzing a little too much

You may want to spend a little more time studying Skinner. I'm assuming you're just started college since you are 18? If you are a psych major you will learn in upper level courses that nature has consistently overcome nurture in many many instances. That being said, I do agree with you that the environment we are raised in does have an affect on us.

marquesajen

I was never REALLY big into Disney princesses, probably because I've always been a tomboy, but I kind of agree with this. Not too mention the unrealistic standards of hair...Why doesn't my hair look like that??!?

Laces_0ut

I'm sure these versions woulda been much more realistic and successful........






:huh:

LOL true.

Rilke

It's a little ironic to the people saying "Oh I always watched that, you're reading too much in to it little girls don't look at it that way at all." You're right. They don't. However, our foundations as children make who we are as adults. There's a quite famous quote by B.F. skinner that states

"Give me a dozen healthy infants ... and my own specified world to bring them up in and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select — doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief and yes, even beggar-man and thief, regardless of his talents, penchants, tendencies, abilities, vocations, and race of his ancestors."

You may bring a child to be anything you wish, as long as these foundations are shaped into their early child hood. No, disney princess never told you you were fat. YOU likely have told yourself that, and where do you think these little ideas were implanted?

P.S. I love princess movies, I still watch them as often as I can, but that doesn't mean that the underlying messages aren't somewhat affecting little children. And for those of you saying "you're reading WAY to far into this" keep in mind, there are ENTIRE university courses dedicated to this kind of stuff. There's no such thing as over analyzing.... usually Unless you want to start into some type low carb vs all carb debate, then you might be over analyzing a little too much

I was going to remain a lurker on this ridiculous thread, but I must post to rebut your quotation with a quotation of my own:

"Using behaviorism to control learning is like using an umbrella to control the weather."
-Steve Nordby

Just because a quotation is "famous" does not make it credible. Here is some good reading for you.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19711230.htm

adjones5

It's a little ironic to the people saying "Oh I always watched that, you're reading too much in to it little girls don't look at it that way at all." You're right. They don't. However, our foundations as children make who we are as adults. There's a quite famous quote by B.F. skinner that states

"Give me a dozen healthy infants ... and my own specified world to bring them up in and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select — doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief and yes, even beggar-man and thief, regardless of his talents, penchants, tendencies, abilities, vocations, and race of his ancestors."

You may bring a child to be anything you wish, as long as these foundations are shaped into their early child hood. No, disney princess never told you you were fat. YOU likely have told yourself that, and where do you think these little ideas were implanted?

P.S. I love princess movies, I still watch them as often as I can, but that doesn't mean that the underlying messages aren't somewhat affecting little children. And for those of you saying "you're reading WAY to far into this" keep in mind, there are ENTIRE university courses dedicated to this kind of stuff. There's no such thing as over analyzing.... usually Unless you want to start into some type low carb vs all carb debate, then you might be over analyzing a little too much

I was going to remain a lurker on this ridiculous thread, but I must post to rebut your quotation with a quotation of my own:

"Using behaviorism to control learning is like using an umbrella to control the weather."
-Steve Nordby

Just because a quotation is "famous" does not make it credible. Here is some good reading for you.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19711230.htm

I agree with this.

ashleighjoy2007

If you feel strongly about this you should see the movie/documentary Miss Representation. Its really good, and it really points out some things like that I never really thought about. (It discusses the way Disney portrays women too!) They have a website www.missrepresentation.org and they're on facebook too =]

JennW130

Meh, I don't get worked up over this. They're cartoons. Cartoons don't look like real people anyway. I LOVE these movies (Little Mermaid was my favorite when I was 4!!! LOL). I dunno, I guess I think people read too far into stuff like this. I never equated Disney princesses to real life when I was little.

agree.

parys1

Dang it. Trying to get the hand of editing posts...not doing well :grumble:

AshDHart

I'm pretty sure my 4-year old, even though he loves Spiderman, knows that he'll never be able to shoot webs from his wrists and scale tall buildings.

And then we have: "Today, my twin boys who are 5 decided to teach each other how to fly off the shed out back. They are still in their pajamas. Batman's arm is broken and Spiderman has a slight concussion." FML http://www.fmylife.com/kids/18022351

I still :laugh: :bigsmile: :laugh: every time I read that one.

Silverkittycat

I'm pretty sure my 4-year old, even though he loves Spiderman, knows that he'll never be able to shoot webs from his wrists and scale tall buildings.

And then we have: "Today, my twin boys who are 5 decided to teach each other how to fly off the shed out back. They are still in their pajamas. Batman's arm is broken and Spiderman has a slight concussion." FML http://www.fmylife.com/kids/18022351

I still :laugh: :bigsmile: :laugh: every time I read that one.

LMAO... thanks for sharing!

phechan3

I honestly think that there is truth in both sides (regarding the cartoon captions, not the 'skinny' debate). Yes, just because a young girl grows up watching these movies doesn't mean that she's going to automatically assume these ideals as being truth. However, you also can't deny that this is only one part of a much bigger construct when it comes to assigning roles and ideals based upon gender. With all of that aside, we must also remember that there are always an assortment of different factors that can influence the child one way or another- Does she have a secure environment at home? Has she developed a secure attachment to a parental/adult figure? How much time does she have to spend with family members? How is her self esteem? Nutrition? Genetics? and so on and so forth. Every person has their own differences and as such what applies to many does not apply to all.