Drop fat and gain muscle!!! Newbies Read this.
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lol...we have a literature major on our hands
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You've got the hard carriage returns down, but your iambic pentameter needs work.
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why is it everytime someone is on here and they post what works for them they get a lot of neg responses? I mean really, if it works for them why are you going to argue with them.. I get so sick of seeing all the negitivity you guys, i mean come on not every body is them same. I think if this worked for him great it may work for someone else. What worked for you may work for someone else or it may not... Why cant we be okay with what others are doing to lose weight as long as there not starving or doing things utterly unhealthy.
Just saying I think once some people lose weight they end up acting as if they have the secret or thay all of the sudden have a PHD. I at one time lost 70 pounds and kept it off for most of my 20- 40's... It was the low fat way and i had tons of energy and i ate carbs!!!! ahw my goodness so bad of me!! lol after getting lazy and not exerciing and eating fat again i gained 20 pounds i tried the high protein diet i gained 10 more pounds... I am going to go back to low fat eating,
Well....... that is that i am going to try low fat, and the only kind of fat will be nuts. I am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
Oh and yes i can not type and i misspell some words on occasion. But i still know common since and that is, stop the irritaing hating on everyone who may have a diff way then you.. Best of wishes and good luck to all on this weight loss and healthy living, we all need it!! lol
Thank you for making the exact same point as me. Everyone is different. No one is an expert just because something worked for their body. I just want people to be careful when they word their advice so people who don't have the common sense to know the difference don't take the advice as gospel.0 -
Tom Venuto and Paul Chek are great reads for this info. Also for the women - Overcoming the female fat cell by Debra Waterhouse is very informative!!
I agree with Scott613, there are only a select group that this would work for. Mainly people like me! Who have BF%'s of around 30 and little muscle mass. But also there are other factors which could affect the success of this too!
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why is it everytime someone is on here and they post what works for them they get a lot of neg responses? I mean really, if it works for them why are you going to argue with them.. I get so sick of seeing all the negitivity you guys, i mean come on not every body is them same. I think if this worked for him great it may work for someone else. What worked for you may work for someone else or it may not... Why cant we be okay with what others are doing to lose weight as long as there not starving or doing things utterly unhealthy.
I agree with your point, but the OP didn't post "this is what works for me". It reads as "this is what will work for everyone". And in reading the responses, I appears that is what people have a problem with.0 -
I am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
actually you're wrong, eating in a caloric deficit results in weight loss, works for everyone0 -
Can you post any evidence that supports this view, or at least some credentials that prove you know what you're talking about and not just saying what works for you?
You don't want MFP to be a cookie cutter program, but you're giving every person a cookie cutter suggestion.
P.S. Spelling things wrong is a not a good way to gain credibility.
This was exactly what I was thinking as I read the OP with one eyebrow raised in amusement.
Or should I say AmuseMent!!!0 -
Common sense is not allowed on threads. Please stop postingI am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
actually you're wrong, eating in a caloric deficit results in weight loss, works for everyone0 -
I am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
actually you're wrong, eating in a caloric deficit results in weight loss, works for everyone
True. But it does not work the same for everyone. Certain diseases or other medical problems can affect metabolism and weight loss.0 -
I'm still waiting to hear how to gain muscle on calorie deficit.
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Excellent post!0
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Very few people can gain muscle and lose fat on your suggestions. People who have high bf% or are just starting weight training then it is possible. Also it will be a minimal muscle gain however, strength gains are possible for more people than muscle gains are. Im in a cut phase and I can tell you this much there's no way Im gaining muscle on 2000 calories a day.
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Great post!0
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SteroidsI'm still waiting to hear how to gain muscle on calorie deficit.
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There's always the exception to the rule and someone with medical issues pertaining to metabolism would need further education, but for the vast majority of the population 99% the metabolism and thermodynamics apply. Personally i get tired of people saying well not everyone is the same......you know what they are the same. the problem is different solutions work for different people because of the simple fact that the common denominator for weight loss is never ever going to be consistanly correct...too many factors that effect the out side of the energy balance equation are simply not factored into the math equation that most here will employ to lose weight. If we forgot about BMR altogether and simply through recording what we eat to maintain our weight to find TDEE then creat a defict all of those unseen and not factored in enomolies that effect weight loss will no longer be the plight of the thousands that look to a calculator for guidance, with I'm different being th logical answer. It's simply miscalculation based on minimal information that makes everyone different.....TDEE evens the playing field.I am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
actually you're wrong, eating in a caloric deficit results in weight loss, works for everyone
True. But it does not work the same for everyone. Certain diseases or other medical problems can affect metabolism and weight loss.0 -
Hilarious!!!
SteroidsI'm still waiting to hear how to gain muscle on calorie deficit.
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I dont think giving advice is irresponsible.
I think jumping into weight loss the wrong way is.
A goal is something you CAN obtain!
From the 15 or 20 posts i've read first thing this morning they all have 1 thing in common
"Why havent I budged in 80 days???"
"No weight loss???"
"Should I cut another 200 calories down to 1000?"
"why am I so irritable? I'm only eating 1200 calories"
"MFP set my calories to 1200? Is this healthy?"
Do you think my suggestions are worse than these?
I think not.
In my opinion its better to know your own BMR and maintenance calories and stay between those numbers.
Most of the peeps who start this will stick with 1200 calories and not loose much weight.
Like running a marathon with a bag over their head.
Well, I don't run so I don't have that problem. Especially since I learned at an early age (even earlier than I learned to write in English) not to put plastic bags over my head.
And I haven't posted my own topic yet today, but if I do it will not be "why am I so irritable" it will be "why do so many people on this site have their heads up their own *kitten*?"
~From your friendly neighborhood Cancer, who also works in international banking. Not sure of the relevance, but everyone else was joining in and I wanted to feel special.0 -
I love the negativity!
I also type on a very very small keyboard and i'm impatient so the spelling is meh in my book.
I'll say it over and over again that people are eating too few calories and expecting substantial results.
They need to set realistic goals and understand that just because MFP says 1200 calories and gives them set macros that it isnt the answer.
These are the same people that will loose some weight but also lower their LBM if they do exactly what MFP offers!
It should be a tradeoff!
Lower fat% higher LBM%.
We can go back and forth on this all day long but the fact is we need to help these peeps and not beat each other up.
How often are you guys telling friends that they did a great job eating below calories when they only ate 800 calories and ran for 20 mins at a high pace burning 200 calories.
If im wrong then i accept that but I dont think the beatdown by some members is truly necessary.
If these ideas dont stick well then dont follow them.
I get a lot of my info from other forums and reading the books.
The friends who have been trying this are seeing results and have thanked me for helping them.
I saw results when I did them.
Now i'm scaling things up for a slow gain with minimal fat gain.
I guess I just care too much.0 -
I love the negativity!
I also type on a very very small keyboard and i'm impatient so the spelling is meh in my book.
I'll say it over and over again that people are eating too few calories and expecting substantial results.
They need to set realistic goals and understand that just because MFP says 1200 calories and gives them set macros that it isnt the answer.
These are the same people that will loose some weight but also lower their LBM if they do exactly what MFP offers!
It should be a tradeoff!
Lower fat% higher LBM%.
We can go back and forth on this all day long but the fact is we need to help these peeps and not beat each other up.
How often are you guys telling friends that they did a great job eating below calories when they only ate 800 calories and ran for 20 mins at a high pace burning 200 calories.
If im wrong then i accept that but I dont think the beatdown by some members is truly necessary.
If these ideas dont stick well then dont follow them.
I get a lot of my info from other forums and reading the books.
The friends who have been trying this are seeing results and have thanked me for helping them.
I saw results when I did them.
Now i'm scaling things up for a slow gain with minimal fat gain.
I guess I just care too much.
LBM does not equal muscle mass. It also consists of organ weight and water weight.0 -
I guess I just care too much.
You keep saying this...what is it exactly you care so much about? Being right? Being praised for your advice? I'm just curious...0 -
I guess I just care too much.
You keep saying this...what is it exactly you care so much about? Being right? Being praised for your advice? I'm just curious...
If you care, then please understand the purpose of tone. I'm trying to be helpful here. If you want to give advice, please do so by explicitly pointing out the caveats and conditions to your advice. It is not the magic answer, it is an opinion.0 -
I'm just gonna BUMP this so I can have a proper sit an read through later...0
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Will do!
I've been told by friends that i'm overly passionate about the things I do.
@wildcata77 I dont look for praise. I dont think im right about everything. Im just on this amazing ride that has brought me and my wife a lot of happiness. I look like I did when I graduated high school but with better definition. I'm a 37 year old guy who looks 10 years younger as opposed to 6 months ago when I was folding my extra large tee shirts and my size 36x30 jeans. I get up every day and I kiss my wife and start my day with healthy living in mind and I'd love to pass that along to other people.
If you take a look at your responses I see a lot of bitterness that shows the exact opposite of that beautiful smile of yours.
Are you against people who are passionate with what they do?
Probably not but you come off a bit snarky.
I care because I do!
It's in my programing from the day I was born.
You can accept it for what it is or not but thats on you.
Hugs and I hope it gets better!0 -
Well i have been eating low calorie and i have not lost any yet since lasy april, When i lost the 70 pounds i was eating alot of calories yet i ate things that were high in neutrients. So no im not wrong for me!. My point i made earlier,
There's always the exception to the rule and someone with medical issues pertaining to metabolism would need further education, but for the vast majority of the population 99% the metabolism and thermodynamics apply. Personally i get tired of people saying well not everyone is the same......you know what they are the same. the problem is different solutions work for different people because of the simple fact that the common denominator for weight loss is never ever going to be consistanly correct...too many factors that effect the out side of the energy balance equation are simply not factored into the math equation that most here will employ to lose weight. If we forgot about BMR altogether and simply through recording what we eat to maintain our weight to find TDEE then creat a defict all of those unseen and not factored in enomolies that effect weight loss will no longer be the plight of the thousands that look to a calculator for guidance, with I'm different being th logical answer. It's simply miscalculation based on minimal information that makes everyone different.....TDEE evens the playing field.I am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
actually you're wrong, eating in a caloric deficit results in weight loss, works for everyone
True. But it does not work the same for everyone. Certain diseases or other medical problems can affect metabolism and weight loss. 0 -
Will do!
I've been told by friends that i'm overly passionate about the things I do.
@wildcata77 If you take a look at your responses I see a lot of bitterness that shows the exact opposite of that beautiful smile of yours.
Are you against people who are passionate with what they do?
Probably not but you come off a bit snarky.
I care because I do!
It's in my programing from the day I was born.
You can accept it for what it is or not but thats on you.
Hugs and I hope it gets better!
Hmmm....it hadn't occured to me that I might come off as snarky.
I just prefer my passion with a side of realistic expectations, countered by some fact-based knowledge, and topped off with proper grammar and punctuation. It's working for me lately. I'm happy. I just don't type with excess exclamation points. Positivity and passion doesn't mean reckless, overtly happy expression. There are other ways to be positive and passionate.
In any case, when it comes to your theories here, I agree with the posters who say you shouldn't make a broad "newbies read this!" type of exclamation when this is not fact-based advice, but simply sharing what has worked for you to increase muscle mass. Lots of us "newbies" are here in the beginning stages, just looking to lose the excess fat before trying to gain a bunch of muscle (which, as a woman, I am not looking to do anyway).
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Im just saying every time i read something like this i hear all the negitive things, it seems we are sll hear for the same reason. It just irritating to hear people act like know it alls. lolwhy is it everytime someone is on here and they post what works for them they get a lot of neg responses? I mean really, if it works for them why are you going to argue with them.. I get so sick of seeing all the negitivity you guys, i mean come on not every body is them same. I think if this worked for him great it may work for someone else. What worked for you may work for someone else or it may not... Why cant we be okay with what others are doing to lose weight as long as there not starving or doing things utterly unhealthy.
I agree with your point, but the OP didn't post "this is what works for me". It reads as "this is what will work for everyone". And in reading the responses, I appears that is what people have a problem with.0 -
By the way what is TDEE ? See i dont know everyhting either lol.0
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There's always the exception to the rule and someone with medical issues pertaining to metabolism would need further education, but for the vast majority of the population 99% the metabolism and thermodynamics apply. Personally i get tired of people saying well not everyone is the same......you know what they are the same. the problem is different solutions work for different people because of the simple fact that the common denominator for weight loss is never ever going to be consistanly correct...too many factors that effect the out side of the energy balance equation are simply not factored into the math equation that most here will employ to lose weight. If we forgot about BMR altogether and simply through recording what we eat to maintain our weight to find TDEE then creat a defict all of those unseen and not factored in enomolies that effect weight loss will no longer be the plight of the thousands that look to a calculator for guidance, with I'm different being th logical answer. It's simply miscalculation based on minimal information that makes everyone different.....TDEE evens the playing field.I am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
actually you're wrong, eating in a caloric deficit results in weight loss, works for everyone
True. But it does not work the same for everyone. Certain diseases or other medical problems can affect metabolism and weight loss.
^ agreed
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html0 -
then go eat more food. Metabolisms get screwed up that's for sure, but it will, like I said be calculated into your TDEE. I guess you totally missed my point.
Well i have been eating low calorie and i have not lost any yet since lasy april, When i lost the 70 pounds i was eating alot of calories yet i ate things that were high in neutrients. So no im not wrong for me!. My point i made earlier,
There's always the exception to the rule and someone with medical issues pertaining to metabolism would need further education, but for the vast majority of the population 99% the metabolism and thermodynamics apply. Personally i get tired of people saying well not everyone is the same......you know what they are the same. the problem is different solutions work for different people because of the simple fact that the common denominator for weight loss is never ever going to be consistanly correct...too many factors that effect the out side of the energy balance equation are simply not factored into the math equation that most here will employ to lose weight. If we forgot about BMR altogether and simply through recording what we eat to maintain our weight to find TDEE then creat a defict all of those unseen and not factored in enomolies that effect weight loss will no longer be the plight of the thousands that look to a calculator for guidance, with I'm different being th logical answer. It's simply miscalculation based on minimal information that makes everyone different.....TDEE evens the playing field.I am not going to listen to others when it comes to absolutes on eating because THERE ARE NO abosultes, you are not experts and neither am I. So give advice and go on stop getting mad or act hollier then tho because you lost weight. WHAT WORKS FOR ONE WONT ALWAYS WORK FOR THE OTHER WE ALL HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR " OUR BODY"
actually you're wrong, eating in a caloric deficit results in weight loss, works for everyone
True. But it does not work the same for everyone. Certain diseases or other medical problems can affect metabolism and weight loss.0 -
Im just saying every time i read something like this i hear all the negitive things, it seems we are sll hear for the same reason. It just irritating to hear people act like know it alls. lolwhy is it everytime someone is on here and they post what works for them they get a lot of neg responses? I mean really, if it works for them why are you going to argue with them.. I get so sick of seeing all the negitivity you guys, i mean come on not every body is them same. I think if this worked for him great it may work for someone else. What worked for you may work for someone else or it may not... Why cant we be okay with what others are doing to lose weight as long as there not starving or doing things utterly unhealthy.
I agree with your point, but the OP didn't post "this is what works for me". It reads as "this is what will work for everyone". And in reading the responses, I appears that is what people have a problem with.
Exactly. The OP's tone was "know-it-all" and we were responding to that. We are all on the same side here.0
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