Teacher Criticisms...(rant)

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  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    I'm not talking about "making mistakes". I'm talking about the people who choose to keep their children out of school and then teach them nothing. How do you protect those children? Their parents are supposed to do that, but what should be done when parents fail to do that? You don't think there should be any accountability?

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    We do not want any government interference in homeschooling. Period. What about that don't you understand?
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    I don't think the school systems do it in the right way. I think that every child should create a portfolio of things they know how to do and that should be the measure of whether they have a deeper understanding. I think kids should have to do something like defending a thesis to move on to the next grade. My ideas will never take off because it costs to much. Testing is easy. I don't believe in testing I never have. But I would think that homeschooling parents who are doing what they need to do wouldn't be afraid to share that information. I don't agree with having to ask permission/do what you're told to do, but I think that if it is so successful you would want to share it.

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    We will share it, but not with the government. And I don't know if you understand that we do not want the government especially telling us what we NEED to do. We don't want their advice. We don't want their money. We don't want them. I think I can safely say I speak for 99% of home schoolers.
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    I get that you don't want government interference. I understand that you don't want to government telling you what you NEED to do. I'm not suggesting that you should. I'm not talking about the government control of anything. I just wonder how you protect children who have parents who fail to do what is necessary. I'm just wondering if you are a self-regulating community. If you see parents having difficulty, do you as a homeschooling community offer help? Or is it simply, if you choose to do this - you're on your own?

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    Nobody in our community tells anyone else how to homeschool. There are resources available to the homeschooling community as a whole, such as, eg. my Homeschooling Latin Class. There are homeschooing get togethers. Advice and opinions are swapped. There is no one in authority. Other homeschoolers will comment if they see something that seems unusual. With a large number of homeschoolers utilizing the Community Colleges, there will be counselling available there if needed or wanted. We never needed or wanted it.
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  • iuangina
    iuangina Posts: 691 Member
    OK. As I suspected (and remembered from my undergrad classes on school regulations) I did a little research and your state seems to be in the minority (only 10 states) that require no regulation of homeschooling. I live in GA (which is in the majority 21 states) - they require test scores, notification, and professional evaluation of children. This is part of why I have so many questions about it. I think that living in your state has given you the ability to take that stance. Would you have still homeschooled if you were required to send notification or achievement test scores and/or professional evaluation, plus other requirements (e.g. curriculum approval by the state, teacher qualification of parents, or home visits by state officials). (as in NY, PA, and several other states around you)?
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    OK. As I suspected (and remembered from my undergrad classes on school regulations) I did a little research and your state seems to be in the minority (only 10 states) that require no regulation of homeschooling. I live in GA (which is in the majority 21 states) - they require test scores, notification, and professional evaluation of children. This is part of why I have so many questions about it. I think that living in your state has given you the ability to take that stance. Would you have still homeschooled if you were required to send notification or achievement test scores and/or professional evaluation, plus other requirements (e.g. curriculum approval by the state, teacher qualification of parents, or home visits by state officials). (as in NY, PA, and several other states around you)?

    I would have homeschooled but we would have registered as members of a private school. There are various organizations which for a very small fee will allow you to register with them so that you can say your kids are being privately schooled. This is because of absurd regulations such as the ones you described. You can even get a high school diploma from these schools if you want. You simply write up what your kids did, and they will evaluate it and issue a diploma. Keepds the bureaucrats happy.
  • chanstriste13
    chanstriste13 Posts: 3,277 Member
    The last time that happened we packed the legislative office building with thousands of homeschooling families. There wasn't even enough room for everyone to fit into the hearing room. We closed down the legislative server with thousands of emails, and we closed down their phone system. We had endless testimony to present, hundreds of people, until they finally cried "uncle." The Chair of the Education Committee announced he was going to withdraw the bill and made the comment, 'From what I have heard, the public schools ought to be reporting to them, not vice versa."

    this sounds very much like what we do when the state tries to screw us over. it's like you have your own little union!
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    The last time that happened we packed the legislative office building with thousands of homeschooling families. There wasn't even enough room for everyone to fit into the hearing room. We closed down the legislative server with thousands of emails, and we closed down their phone system. We had endless testimony to present, hundreds of people, until they finally cried "uncle." The Chair of the Education Committee announced he was going to withdraw the bill and made the comment, 'From what I have heard, the public schools ought to be reporting to them, not vice versa."

    this sounds very much like what we do when the state tries to screw us over. it's like you have your own little union!

    Yes, exactly. Only we don't pay union dues.
  • iuangina
    iuangina Posts: 691 Member
    So unions are all bad? :tongue:
  • chanstriste13
    chanstriste13 Posts: 3,277 Member
    The last time that happened we packed the legislative office building with thousands of homeschooling families. There wasn't even enough room for everyone to fit into the hearing room. We closed down the legislative server with thousands of emails, and we closed down their phone system. We had endless testimony to present, hundreds of people, until they finally cried "uncle." The Chair of the Education Committee announced he was going to withdraw the bill and made the comment, 'From what I have heard, the public schools ought to be reporting to them, not vice versa."

    this sounds very much like what we do when the state tries to screw us over. it's like you have your own little union!

    Yes, exactly. Only we don't pay union dues.

    does this mean we can say that you're evil now? :devil: <mwah-ah-ah-ah!>
  • chanstriste13
    chanstriste13 Posts: 3,277 Member
    unions aside, i think this sums up very well why education overseas can run circles around us. do take a moment to watch. if you are on this thread, you will appreciate it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ7VWqj1QsM&amp;feature=share
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    unions aside, i think this sums up very well why education overseas can run circles around us. do take a moment to watch. if you are on this thread, you will appreciate it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ7VWqj1QsM&amp;feature=share

    HOT DAMN! She is my ideal! Love her!

    You are right. That is exactly how all teachers should behave.
  • chanstriste13
    chanstriste13 Posts: 3,277 Member
    unions aside, i think this sums up very well why education overseas can run circles around us. do take a moment to watch. if you are on this thread, you will appreciate it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ7VWqj1QsM&amp;feature=share

    HOT DAMN! She is my ideal! Love her!

    You are right. That is exactly how all teachers should behave.

    thought you'd get a kick out of that. in america, we would be sued for everything we've got if we did that to a student's phone.

    a couple of years ago, the teachers in our county made a uniform decision that cell phones would not be allowed in the classroom under any circumstances. if students had them in their bags or purses for before/after school use, that was fine. but if they had it out in class, the teacher would take the phone, turn it in to the office, and it had to be picked up by a parent.

    this lasted about a week and a half before the school board turned that decision over for us. they had too many complaints from irritated parents who didn't understand what the big deal was if their dear-hearts were talking/texting/gaming in the middle of their classes.

    sad but true. :grumble:
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    unions aside, i think this sums up very well why education overseas can run circles around us. do take a moment to watch. if you are on this thread, you will appreciate it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ7VWqj1QsM&amp;feature=share

    HOT DAMN! She is my ideal! Love her!

    You are right. That is exactly how all teachers should behave.

    thought you'd get a kick out of that. in america, we would be sued for everything we've got if we did that to a student's phone.

    a couple of years ago, the teachers in our county made a uniform decision that cell phones would not be allowed in the classroom under any circumstances. if students had them in their bags or purses for before/after school use, that was fine. but if they had it out in class, the teacher would take the phone, turn it in to the office, and it had to be picked up by a parent.

    this lasted about a week and a half before the school board turned that decision over for us. they had too many complaints from irritated parents who didn't understand what the big deal was if their dear-hearts were talking/texting/gaming in the middle of their classes.

    sad but true. :grumble:

    Well, then both students and parents should be sent to reform school. Or alternatively, use the Asian method, smash the phone then they won't have to bother the parents to pick it up.
  • iuangina
    iuangina Posts: 691 Member
    I like the smash the phone version reather the taking it away :) I found that most of the time when I "take it away" and the parents never come to get it......the kids have a new phone within a few days, they tell their parents that the phone was "lost", and they get a new one (same is true for game systems) so the parents never even know that the teacher took the phone because the sweet angel was using it in class. I had a closet full of phones, PSPs, etc that I donated to the homeless shelter last year.
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