Why Batman is not a super hero

beatleschic87

Ok so after reading all the whole thread (30+ minutes, but what else am I going to do at work?), there was a point being made that Batman is not a superhero because he does not have super powers. However, there was an argument that Tony Stark / Iron Man is a super hero because of his Arc power source and Uni-Beam projection. If someone can please provide a credible source saying otherwise, I believe Tony Stark cannot shoot Uni-Beams from his chest without his suit, hence the removal of Tony Stark from superhero categorization. His chest reactor should be likened to a pacemaker or a car battery. Without the suit, he is just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth.

Batman, or Bruce Wayne, stripped of his belt and suit, is also just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth. Perhaps the fact that both Bruce and Tony clearly are able to access more of their human brain ability than average humans might make them 'super'. These two individuals' intellectual capability is far superior than 99% of the human population, but does being superior intellectually equate being 'super'? Using your brain to the maximum capability, or at least to a level above even a certain Kryptonian, should qualify as a power, if not a super power. Batman augments his intellect with tools that help him achieve his goals, just like Iron Man does. Batman has been dubbed 'the world's greatest detective', and that should qualify him as a super, right? Greatest, meaning there is nothing better. Top of the charts, second to none. Super? Quite possibly.

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chelleymarie88

LMAO

.... Silver Surfer...

Fit_Canuck

OMG I also spit my Pepsi over the keyboard...I had never seen the silver surfer one!

chelleymarie88

I don't know what kind of win this is full of....


MAGNETOOOO, welcome to die

chelleymarie88

Whoever said my super heroes aren't real....
Here you go. >:O

Fit_Canuck

chelleymarie88

Yeah I posted that in like the second page lol. One of my favorite pics ever.

mary35699

I agree, we can't say Batman and others are not meta or super. Obviously there is something in side these "Heros" that causes them to excel. To better themselves and protect there citizens, just because you can't clearly define there power doesn't mean they don't exists.

But all of you who are clearly mislead by who is the best super hero check out Arrowette.
She's smoking hot.
Uses a bow and arrow.
Wears the best costume.
WENT TO THE OLYMPICS!
Was part of the best SUPER group. YOUNG JUSTIC for life.
Both her parents where HEROS. (well her mom tried.)
The list goes on check her out.

Fit_Canuck

Smart cookie

chelleymarie88

I agree, we can't say Batman and others are not meta or super. Obviously there is something in side these "Heros" that causes them to excel. To better themselves and protect there citizens, just because you can't clearly define there power doesn't mean they don't exists.

But all of you who are clearly mislead by who is the best super hero check out Arrowette.
She's smoking hot.
Uses a bow and arrow.
Wears the best costume.
WENT TO THE OLYMPICSl.
Was part of the best SUPER group. YOUNG JUSTIC for life.
Both her parents where HEROS. (well her mom tried.)
The list goes on check her out.

Thanks for sharing! I can see what you mean. My favorite comic book character is Deadpool. Yes, he is mainstream, but he is goodstream

thor1god1of1awesome

Just throwing my two cents in...no bats is not a super hero, IMO he just a crazy rich guy who is really smart who can throw down.

chelleymarie88

Just throwing my two cents in...no bats is not a super hero, IMO he just a crazy rich guy who is really smart who can throw down.

This guy knows what he's talking about.

Indy_Mario

I agree, we can't say Batman and others are not meta or super. Obviously there is something in side these "Heros" that causes them to excel. To better themselves and protect there citizens, just because you can't clearly define there power doesn't mean they don't exists.

But all of you who are clearly mislead by who is the best super hero check out Arrowette.
She's smoking hot.
Uses a bow and arrow.
Wears the best costume.
WENT TO THE OLYMPICSl.
Was part of the best SUPER group. YOUNG JUSTIC for life.
Both her parents where HEROS. (well her mom tried.)
The list goes on check her out.

Thanks for sharing! I can see what you mean. My favorite comic book character is Deadpool. Yes, he is mainstream, but he is goodstream

Hey, my favorite is Deadpool too!

chelleymarie88

I agree, we can't say Batman and others are not meta or super. Obviously there is something in side these "Heros" that causes them to excel. To better themselves and protect there citizens, just because you can't clearly define there power doesn't mean they don't exists.

But all of you who are clearly mislead by who is the best super hero check out Arrowette.
She's smoking hot.
Uses a bow and arrow.
Wears the best costume.
WENT TO THE OLYMPICSl.
Was part of the best SUPER group. YOUNG JUSTIC for life.
Both her parents where HEROS. (well her mom tried.)
The list goes on check her out.

Thanks for sharing! I can see what you mean. My favorite comic book character is Deadpool. Yes, he is mainstream, but he is goodstream

Hey, my favorite is Deadpool too!

Have you played Marvel vs Capcom3? He's HILARIOUS in that too. The guy who does his voice does Richtofen's voice from Black Ops. When I read his comics, I read his voice with that voice lol...

ArnStar

Ok so after reading all the whole thread (30+ minutes, but what else am I going to do at work?), there was a point being made that Batman is not a superhero because he does not have super powers. However, there was an argument that Tony Stark / Iron Man is a super hero because of his Arc power source and Uni-Beam projection. If someone can please provide a credible source saying otherwise, I believe Tony Stark cannot shoot Uni-Beams from his chest without his suit, hence the removal of Tony Stark from superhero categorization. His chest reactor should be likened to a pacemaker or a car battery. Without the suit, he is just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth.

Batman, or Bruce Wayne, stripped of his belt and suit, is also just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth. Perhaps the fact that both Bruce and Tony clearly are able to access more of their human brain ability than average humans might make them 'super'. These two individuals' intellectual capability is far superior than 99% of the human population, but does being superior intellectually equate being 'super'? Using your brain to the maximum capability, or at least to a level above even a certain Kryptonian, should qualify as a power, if not a super power. Batman augments his intellect with tools that help him achieve his goals, just like Iron Man does. Batman has been dubbed 'the world's greatest detective', and that should qualify him as a super, right? Greatest, meaning there is nothing better. Top of the charts, second to none. Super? Quite possibly.

Sorry about the confusion I was referring to his Extremis armor most of the time and when he was a cyborg. I would still consider Tony Stark a super hero, because of the fact that with his chest reactor, he is able to shoot uni-beams. In several issues was he able to control his suit with his mind/body. If you would like to debunk Tony Stark in order to accept that Batman is not a superhero, then that is fine. I will consider him a super hero nonetheless I won't argue that Batman is highly intelligent, but I will argue that his intelligence does not make him super.

Now I did some research (again, what am I going to do at work all day?) and found out that at one point, Batman had willpower strong enough to wield a Green Lantern Ring, thus technically becoming a Green Lantern himself. Are Green Lanterns not superheroes? I seem to recall that certain Green Lanterns already possess super strength, and their ring adds to their prowess. Hal Jordan, or whomever the current Green Lantern on Earth is, is a superhero via alien technology, much like Venom is a hero/anti-hero via alien technology (or is that also up for debate?). Are the Power Rangers superheroes? They possess super strength, super speed, 'magical' and 'power' item generation, etc, all through alien technology too. It's also been noted that Batman is at the PEAK of human perfection, and shown to be able to bench-press at least 1000 lbs. To me, that's a pretty good measure of being superhuman, all without any external devices, DNA-altering chemicals/radiation, or given non-human powers. Captain Marvel's strength rating is 1000 lbs normally without his Nega-Bands (marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale), so perhaps Batman qualifies in this sense based on super strength? Captain America can only lift 800 lbs, but he's a superhero, right? Captain America "has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum, he was transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning", much like the Caped Crusader, sans serum.

By the way, while I was Googling for information and research, this very thread came up #1 on one of my searches. Lol.

Way to go, MFP!!

chelleymarie88

Ok so after reading all the whole thread (30+ minutes, but what else am I going to do at work?), there was a point being made that Batman is not a superhero because he does not have super powers. However, there was an argument that Tony Stark / Iron Man is a super hero because of his Arc power source and Uni-Beam projection. If someone can please provide a credible source saying otherwise, I believe Tony Stark cannot shoot Uni-Beams from his chest without his suit, hence the removal of Tony Stark from superhero categorization. His chest reactor should be likened to a pacemaker or a car battery. Without the suit, he is just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth.

Batman, or Bruce Wayne, stripped of his belt and suit, is also just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth. Perhaps the fact that both Bruce and Tony clearly are able to access more of their human brain ability than average humans might make them 'super'. These two individuals' intellectual capability is far superior than 99% of the human population, but does being superior intellectually equate being 'super'? Using your brain to the maximum capability, or at least to a level above even a certain Kryptonian, should qualify as a power, if not a super power. Batman augments his intellect with tools that help him achieve his goals, just like Iron Man does. Batman has been dubbed 'the world's greatest detective', and that should qualify him as a super, right? Greatest, meaning there is nothing better. Top of the charts, second to none. Super? Quite possibly.

Sorry about the confusion I was referring to his Extremis armor most of the time and when he was a cyborg. I would still consider Tony Stark a super hero, because of the fact that with his chest reactor, he is able to shoot uni-beams. In several issues was he able to control his suit with his mind/body. If you would like to debunk Tony Stark in order to accept that Batman is not a superhero, then that is fine. I will consider him a super hero nonetheless I won't argue that Batman is highly intelligent, but I will argue that his intelligence does not make him super.

Now I did some research (again, what am I going to do at work all day?) and found out that at one point, Batman had willpower strong enough to wield a Green Lantern Ring, thus technically becoming a Green Lantern himself. Are Green Lanterns not superheroes? I seem to recall that certain Green Lanterns already possess super strength, and their ring adds to their prowess. Hal Jordan, or whomever the current Green Lantern on Earth is, is a superhero via alien technology, much like Venom is a hero/anti-hero via alien technology (or is that also up for debate?). Are the Power Rangers superheroes? They possess super strength, super speed, 'magical' and 'power' item generation, etc, all through alien technology too. It's also been noted that Batman is at the PEAK of human perfection, and shown to be able to bench-press at least 1000 lbs. To me, that's a pretty good measure of being superhuman, all without any external devices, DNA-altering chemicals/radiation, or given non-human powers. Captain Marvel's strength rating is 1000 lbs normally without his Nega-Bands (marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale), so perhaps Batman qualifies in this sense based on super strength? Captain America can only lift 800 lbs, but he's a superhero, right? Captain America "has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum, he was transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning", much like the Caped Crusader, sans serum.

By the way, while I was Googling for information and research, this very thread came up #1 on one of my searches. Lol.

Way to go, MFP!!

You bring up the best points, I applaud you for researching lol. Someone brought up a great point to me... Captain America can lift Thor's hammer. I was in disbelief that he can only lift 800 lbs; however, I do know he regenerates health faster and never runs out of stamina. I've seen Batman get winded. Also- do you have any idea how heavy Thor's hammer is? Lol. Let Batman try to pick that up Honestly, I see no interest in Green Lanterns; therefore, I haven't read much, so I can't really speak on that topic. I do know; however, that even through your argument, I see no reason to call Bruce Wayne a super human. He is rich and intelligent, with some awesome martial arts moves....but I don't see him past that.

ETA: I'd also like to add that even though he has reached the "peak" of human strength, that does not mean he has surpassed the ability of a human. Which concludes, that he is nothing more than human.

thor1god1of1awesome

Also on the topic of the cape cruisader(spl?) Arkham city is one of the best games ever

Indy_Mario

ArnStar

Ok so after reading all the whole thread (30+ minutes, but what else am I going to do at work?), there was a point being made that Batman is not a superhero because he does not have super powers. However, there was an argument that Tony Stark / Iron Man is a super hero because of his Arc power source and Uni-Beam projection. If someone can please provide a credible source saying otherwise, I believe Tony Stark cannot shoot Uni-Beams from his chest without his suit, hence the removal of Tony Stark from superhero categorization. His chest reactor should be likened to a pacemaker or a car battery. Without the suit, he is just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth.

Batman, or Bruce Wayne, stripped of his belt and suit, is also just a regular man with extraordinary intellect and brilliance, as well as an overabundance of wealth. Perhaps the fact that both Bruce and Tony clearly are able to access more of their human brain ability than average humans might make them 'super'. These two individuals' intellectual capability is far superior than 99% of the human population, but does being superior intellectually equate being 'super'? Using your brain to the maximum capability, or at least to a level above even a certain Kryptonian, should qualify as a power, if not a super power. Batman augments his intellect with tools that help him achieve his goals, just like Iron Man does. Batman has been dubbed 'the world's greatest detective', and that should qualify him as a super, right? Greatest, meaning there is nothing better. Top of the charts, second to none. Super? Quite possibly.

Sorry about the confusion I was referring to his Extremis armor most of the time and when he was a cyborg. I would still consider Tony Stark a super hero, because of the fact that with his chest reactor, he is able to shoot uni-beams. In several issues was he able to control his suit with his mind/body. If you would like to debunk Tony Stark in order to accept that Batman is not a superhero, then that is fine. I will consider him a super hero nonetheless I won't argue that Batman is highly intelligent, but I will argue that his intelligence does not make him super.

Now I did some research (again, what am I going to do at work all day?) and found out that at one point, Batman had willpower strong enough to wield a Green Lantern Ring, thus technically becoming a Green Lantern himself. Are Green Lanterns not superheroes? I seem to recall that certain Green Lanterns already possess super strength, and their ring adds to their prowess. Hal Jordan, or whomever the current Green Lantern on Earth is, is a superhero via alien technology, much like Venom is a hero/anti-hero via alien technology (or is that also up for debate?). Are the Power Rangers superheroes? They possess super strength, super speed, 'magical' and 'power' item generation, etc, all through alien technology too. It's also been noted that Batman is at the PEAK of human perfection, and shown to be able to bench-press at least 1000 lbs. To me, that's a pretty good measure of being superhuman, all without any external devices, DNA-altering chemicals/radiation, or given non-human powers. Captain Marvel's strength rating is 1000 lbs normally without his Nega-Bands (marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale), so perhaps Batman qualifies in this sense based on super strength? Captain America can only lift 800 lbs, but he's a superhero, right? Captain America "has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum, he was transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning", much like the Caped Crusader, sans serum.

By the way, while I was Googling for information and research, this very thread came up #1 on one of my searches. Lol.

Way to go, MFP!!

You bring up the best points, I applaud you for researching lol. Someone brought up a great point to me... Captain America can lift Thor's hammer. I was in disbelief that he can only lift 800 lbs; however, I do know he regenerates health faster and never runs out of stamina. I've seen Batman get winded. Also- do you have any idea how heavy Thor's hammer is? Lol. Let Batman try to pick that up Honestly, I see no interest in Green Lanterns; therefore, I haven't read much, so I can't really speak on that topic. I do know; however, that even through your argument, I see no reason to call Bruce Wayne a super human. He is rich and intelligent, with some awesome martial arts moves....but I don't see him past that.

ETA: I'd also like to add that even though he has reached the "peak" of human strength, that does not mean he has surpassed the ability of a human. Which concludes, that he is nothing more than human.

Captain America is super human. He has super human strength; therefore, he is the epitome of a super hero.

Iron Man arguments: see previous pages, lol.

Which superhero are you referring to when saying, "he has reached the "peak" of human strength, that does not mean he has surpassed the ability of a human. Which concludes, that he is nothing more than human"? :-) Both specimens are at the PEAK of human development / conditioning. Captain America still has to maintain his regimen lest he joins us on MFP one day. Same with Batman. And the Captain (not Morgain, he's a weekend warrior, lol) does have stamina limitations, although "he can exert himself at peak capacity for several hours without rest and before showing any signs of fatigue" (marvel.wikia.com/Captain_America_(Steve_Rogers)). And as far as picking up Thor's hammer, one just has to be deemed worthy to wield Mjolnir, either decided upon by Mjolnir's enchantment itself or by Thor. I'm pretty sure Batman would be worthy in Thor's eyes to hold the hammer for a bit.

TDGee

LEAVE BATMAN ALONE!