4 whole eggs?

Di3012

deleted due to MFP being unable to display spaces and so confusing the figures.

This posting was information regarding the goodness in whites and yolks.

LInk - copy and paste into browser:

http://www.fitsugar.com/Egg-White-Vs-Egg-Yolk-Which-Better-364527

ednawhatnot

I eat two (sometimes three) boiled eggs for breakfast every weekday, followed by a small portion of fruit. If I also drink a litre of water throughout the morning I am satisfied until I have a bowl of soup around 2pm. I'm sure I will eventually get bored of eating the same thing every morning but it's working for me right now so I'm happy with it.

ReinventingLisa

Sadly, this is a topic very misunderstood. Did you know that it all started when it was a suggestion that eggs might be bad for your cholesterol and it was published in a medical journal without any scientific fact? It's since been debunked, since they now understand how the body converts cholesterol and it's your body creates the cholesterol - it doesn't take every morsel of food cholesterol from an egg. In saying that, I'm not a medical doctor but more of an egg enthusiast. I remember reading that they once tested a man who had a compulsive eating disorder to eat like a dozen or more eggs a day. Hoping that they'd prove that eggs were bad for your body by studying him, he ended up showing no signs of malnutrition or heart disease. I think you can find that article if you google it. He was 80 something years old.

Your best bet is to consult a nutritionist rather than your doctor. I hate to say it, but most doctors don't keep up on that area but nutritionists should have a better understanding.. since it is there job to!

sweebs00

dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol are completely seperate things

go nuts on eggs!!!

Di3012

Sadly, this is a topic very misunderstood. Did you know that it all started when it was a suggestion that eggs might be bad for your cholesterol and it was published in a medical journal without any scientific fact? It's since been debunked, since they now understand how the body converts cholesterol and it's your body creates the cholesterol - it doesn't take every morsel of food cholesterol from an egg. In saying that, I'm not a medical doctor but more of an egg enthusiast. I remember reading that they once tested a man who had a compulsive eating disorder to eat like a dozen or more eggs a day. Hoping that they'd prove that eggs were bad for your body by studying him, he ended up showing no signs of malnutrition or heart disease. I think you can find that article if you google it. He was 80 something years old.

Your best bet is to consult a nutritionist rather than your doctor. I hate to say it, but most doctors don't keep up on that area but nutritionists should have a better understanding.. since it is there job to!

Hell, that reminds me of the movie Cool Hand Luke, when he had to eat 50 hard boiled eggs in one hour for a bet or something :noway:

Cgalit

I think one of the main elements of a successful long term diet is to incorporate a variety of foods in each meal. 4 eggs for breakfast every day sound pretty dull to me. Are you willing to do that for the rest of your life to maintain your weight loss?

I enjoy it-I add tomato or have a piece of wheat bread with it. I figure when I get sick of it, I'll change it. As of right now-I actually look forward to it.

Acg67

Hard to take his sugar fear mongering too seriously when he posts garbage like this

So if I eat my adequate fat and protein, does that mean I can also fill in my diet with fecal matter?

Nice strawman, do you also beleive that glycogen can only be stored in the liver or as fat?

grinch031

Hard to take his sugar fear mongering too seriously when he posts garbage like this

So if I eat my adequate fat and protein, does that mean I can also fill in my diet with fecal matter?

Nice strawman, do you also beleive that glycogen can only be stored in the liver or as fat?

Yeah good one. I was obviously joking. So is there anything that is actually bad for us?

Of course I don't believe that about glycogen. Just because one supposed expert gets one detail wrong, doesn't mean the entire theory gets thrown out the window.

Acg67

Hard to take his sugar fear mongering too seriously when he posts garbage like this

So if I eat my adequate fat and protein, does that mean I can also fill in my diet with fecal matter?

Nice strawman, do you also beleive that glycogen can only be stored in the liver or as fat?

Yeah good one. I was obviously joking. So is there anything that is actually bad for us?

Of course I don't believe that about glycogen. Just because one supposed expert gets one detail wrong, doesn't mean the entire theory gets thrown out the window.

As far as food stuffs go, i'd prob stay away or try and minimize the amount of synthetic trans fats i was taking in

He simply made something up to further support his argument, so as i said it's hard to take him serious when he did something like that

RonSwanson66

THE BODY HAS ONLY TWO PLACES IT CAN STORE EXCESS SUGAR: THE LIVER, AS GLYCOGEN, OR AS FAT

LOL.

As Acj67 already pointed out, the body can store excess sugar as muscle glycogen as well.

So sugar can:

1. Be used for energy
2. Be stored as muscle glycogen
3. Be stored as liver glycogen.

If there is still excess sugar, then and only then will it be converted to adipose tissue through DNL.


Now, how many ways can dietary fat be used, again?

Nopedotjpeg

So much bro science.

brett1117

try 4eggs while using 1 yok for flavor...I eat 2-4egg white omlettes a day

PaleoPath4Lyfe

Too much insulin circulating in the bloodstream and intracellular tissues creates inflammation. Inflammation is now being implicated as the cause of numerous health problems including heart disease, arteriosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) and atherosclerosis (clogged arteries). Inflammation is a cellular reaction to an excess of insulin. The real cause of the problem is the excess consumption of refined carbohydrates.

http://www.drtindall.org/Sugar - Refined Carbs.htm

Hard to take his sugar fear mongering too seriously when he posts garbage like this

THE BODY HAS ONLY TWO PLACES IT CAN STORE EXCESS SUGAR: THE LIVER, AS GLYCOGEN, OR AS FAT

Yes, that’s right. The unused sugar is stored as fat and the hormone that does this is insulin, and the pancreas always releases insulin when one eats carbohydrates/sugar. Therefore, if you are not very physically active when you eat refined carbohydrates, you will store any excess as fat. Additionally, the consumption of refined carbohydrates, by definition, means you are not obtaining adequate minerals to maintain normal cellular functions especially those associated with sugar metabolism and management.

It is not fear mongering when it is the truth...............

I guess you would call my Endocrinologist a fear mongerer too. He says the same thing and is one of the TOP Metabolic Endocrinologists in the United States.

So what about skeletal muscle glycogen stores? they don't exist in your endo's fantasy world either?

I am assuming he is saying this because if the muscle glycogen is already full, then there are only 2 other places to store glycogen. The liver or store as fat.

The liver can only store about 100 g of glucose in the form of glycogen. The muscles also store glycogen. Muscles can store approximately 500 g of glycogen. Because of the limited storage areas, any carbohydrates that are consumed beyond the storage capacity are converted to and stored as fat. There is practically no limit on how many calories the body can store as fat.

REFERENCES
"Pocket Atlas of Nutrition"; Hans Konrad Biesalski, Peter Grimm; 2005
Mayo Clinic: Healthy Diet: End the Guesswork

Chood5

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RonSwanson66

The liver can only store about 100 g of glucose in the form of glycogen. The muscles also store glycogen. Muscles can store approximately 500 g of glycogen. Because of the limited storage areas, any carbohydrates that are consumed beyond the storage capacity are converted to and stored as fat. There is practically no limit on how many calories the body can store as fat.

Thus the body can store 2400 calories of sugar before resorting to DNL.

Why does this make sugar so bad, and fat so good?

grinch031

The liver can only store about 100 g of glucose in the form of glycogen. The muscles also store glycogen. Muscles can store approximately 500 g of glycogen. Because of the limited storage areas, any carbohydrates that are consumed beyond the storage capacity are converted to and stored as fat. There is practically no limit on how many calories the body can store as fat.

Thus the body can store 2400 calories of sugar before resorting to DNL.

Why does this make sugar so bad, and fat so good?

It doesn't. This is why the article says sugar is bad.

The utilization of this sugar is managed by insulin, which is secreted by the pancreas. Insulin is only released when sugar is present in the digestive tract and only in its presence will sugar be stored as fat. Therefore, if we eat more refined carbohydrates than we can immediately use, the excess is stored as fat. If we increase sugar/carbohydrate intake insulin levels increase. Too much insulin circulating in the bloodstream and intracellular tissues creates inflammation. Inflammation is now being implicated as the cause of numerous health problems including heart disease, arteriosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) and atherosclerosis (clogged arteries). Inflammation is a cellular reaction to an excess of insulin. The real cause of the problem is the excess consumption of refined carbohydrates.

RonSwanson66

The author displays a fundamental misunderstanding of insulin.

Insulin is only released when sugar is present in the digestive tract

False; Protein is insulinogenic.

and only in its presence will sugar be stored as fat.

And?

Therefore, if we eat more refined carbohydrates than we can immediately use, the excess is stored as fat.

False. It will first be stored as liver and/or muscle glycogen.

Misleading: Excess sugar will lead to fat storage, so will excess fat, and (indirectly) protein.

If we increase sugar/carbohydrate intake insulin levels increase. Too much insulin circulating in the bloodstream and intracellular tissues creates inflammation. Inflammation is now being implicated as the cause of numerous health problems including heart disease, arteriosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) and atherosclerosis (clogged arteries). Inflammation is a cellular reaction to an excess of insulin. The real cause of the problem is the excess consumption of refined carbohydrates.

Acute elevations =/= chronic elevation.

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

bcattoes

If your blood cholesterol is in a good range, I would not worry about it.

I agree with this ^^ Dietary cholesterol doesn't have much affect on blood cholesterol for most people. But for others it can raise it significantly. If you are eating 4 eggs every day you should monitor your blood cholesterol.

grinch031

The author displays a fundamental misunderstanding of insulin.

Insulin is only released when sugar is present in the digestive tract

False; Protein is insulinogenic.

and only in its presence will sugar be stored as fat.

And?

Therefore, if we eat more refined carbohydrates than we can immediately use, the excess is stored as fat.

False. It will first be stored as liver and/or muscle glycogen.

Misleading: Excess sugar will lead to fat storage, so will excess fat, and (indirectly) protein.

If we increase sugar/carbohydrate intake insulin levels increase. Too much insulin circulating in the bloodstream and intracellular tissues creates inflammation. Inflammation is now being implicated as the cause of numerous health problems including heart disease, arteriosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) and atherosclerosis (clogged arteries). Inflammation is a cellular reaction to an excess of insulin. The real cause of the problem is the excess consumption of refined carbohydrates.

Acute elevations =/= chronic elevation.

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Is it common for people to overeat protein despite its level of satiety? Does protein cause the same insulin response in an insulin resistant individual as carbohydrates?

RonSwanson66

Is it common for people to overeat protein despite its level of satiety?

I love how you keep carefully trying to construct cases to support your claims, and then try to apply them to the whole.


Nobody is going to eat 100% protein (or any macro for that matter). So can protein lead to a caloric excess? Sure it can.

If someone has already consumed the number of calories needed for maintenance, then add a chicken breast on top of that then the addition of protein has led to caloric excess, get it?

Does protein cause the same insulin response in an insulin resistant individual as carbohydrates?

Why do you think insulin resistance is specific to a single macronutrient?

grinch031

Is it common for people to overeat protein despite its level of satiety?

I love how you keep carefully trying to construct cases to support your claims, and then try to apply them to the whole.


Nobody is going to eat 100% protein (or any macro for that matter). So can protein lead to a caloric excess? Sure it can.

If someone has already consumed the number of calories needed for maintenance, then add a chicken breast on top of that then the addition of protein has led to caloric excess, get it?

Does protein cause the same insulin response in an insulin resistant individual as carbohydrates?

Why do you think insulin resistance is specific to a single macronutrient?

Just wondering since insulin resistance is the over-production of insulin because of the body's inability to effectively store glucose, why is the fact that protein is insulinogenic all that relevant?

neanderthin

Is it common for people to overeat protein despite its level of satiety?

I love how you keep carefully trying to construct cases to support your claims, and then try to apply them to the whole.


Nobody is going to eat 100% protein (or any macro for that matter). So can protein lead to a caloric excess? Sure it can.

If someone has already consumed the number of calories needed for maintenance, then add a chicken breast on top of that then the addition of protein has led to caloric excess, get it?

Does protein cause the same insulin response in an insulin resistant individual as carbohydrates?

Why do you think insulin resistance is specific to a single macronutrient?

Just wondering since insulin resistance is the over-production of insulin because of the body's inability to effectively store glucose, why is the fact that protein is insulinogenic all that relevant?

It would be wonderful if we could pin the tail on insulin as the cause of Insulin Resistance, but alas it isn't.

grinch031

Is it common for people to overeat protein despite its level of satiety?

I love how you keep carefully trying to construct cases to support your claims, and then try to apply them to the whole.


Nobody is going to eat 100% protein (or any macro for that matter). So can protein lead to a caloric excess? Sure it can.

If someone has already consumed the number of calories needed for maintenance, then add a chicken breast on top of that then the addition of protein has led to caloric excess, get it?

Does protein cause the same insulin response in an insulin resistant individual as carbohydrates?

Why do you think insulin resistance is specific to a single macronutrient?

Just wondering since insulin resistance is the over-production of insulin because of the body's inability to effectively store glucose, why is the fact that protein is insulinogenic all that relevant?

It would be wonderful if we could pin the tail on insulin as the cause of Insulin Resistance, but alas it isn't.

How can you be so sure?

RonSwanson66

ust wondering since insulin resistance is the over-production of insulin because of the body's inability to effectively store glucose, why is the fact that protein is insulinogenic all that relevant?

The article claimed that sugar was evil because it is insulinogenic. By that rationale, anything that is insulinogenic is therefore evil.

Get it yet?

Furthermore, he wasn't restricting his claim to the insulin resistant, so why do you keep trying to divert the conversation in that direction?

grinch031

ust wondering since insulin resistance is the over-production of insulin because of the body's inability to effectively store glucose, why is the fact that protein is insulinogenic all that relevant?

The article claimed that sugar was evil because it is insulinogenic. By that rationale, anything that is insulinogenic is therefore evil.

Get it yet?

Furthermore, he wasn't restricting his claim to the insulin resistant, so why do you keep trying to divert the conversation in that direction?

Ok so the article is inaccurate. Fine have your way.

I don't want people to think just because one article is inaccurate, that it rules out excess sugar and/or insulin as the culprit.

RonSwanson66

It would be wonderful if we could pin the tail on insulin as the cause of Insulin Resistance, but alas it isn't.

How can you be so sure?

Perhaps because there is evidence to suggest that high-carb diets improve insulin sensitivity while very low carb diets impair it.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search?q=insulin+resistance

grinch031

It would be wonderful if we could pin the tail on insulin as the cause of Insulin Resistance, but alas it isn't.

How can you be so sure?

Perhaps because there is evidence to suggest that high-carb diets improve insulin sensitivity while very low carb diets impair it.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search?q=insulin+resistance

Still haven't made up my mind about this guy. He is quick to acknowledge that low carb diets work well for some obese people.

He has his food reward / palatability hypothesis that I don't buy. Apparently for many of us out there, bacon, eggs, cheese, and other very salty low-carb foods are not rewarding, but coincidentally for us only high-carb foods are?

lulabox

Most high cholesterol that is genetic comes from eating too little cholesterol not too much.

That's not true. There are several genetic dispositions that lead to high cholesterol, familial hypercholesterolemia being one of them.

Acg67

He has his food reward / palatability hypothesis that I don't buy. Apparently for many of us out there, bacon, eggs, cheese, and other very salty low-carb foods are not rewarding, but coincidentally for us only high-carb foods are?

So why don't you buy that hypothesis, yet buy Taubes' despite the mountain of evidence against Taubes?

neanderthin

Is it common for people to overeat protein despite its level of satiety?

I love how you keep carefully trying to construct cases to support your claims, and then try to apply them to the whole.


Nobody is going to eat 100% protein (or any macro for that matter). So can protein lead to a caloric excess? Sure it can.

If someone has already consumed the number of calories needed for maintenance, then add a chicken breast on top of that then the addition of protein has led to caloric excess, get it?

Does protein cause the same insulin response in an insulin resistant individual as carbohydrates?

Why do you think insulin resistance is specific to a single macronutrient?

Just wondering since insulin resistance is the over-production of insulin because of the body's inability to effectively store glucose, why is the fact that protein is insulinogenic all that relevant?

It would be wonderful if we could pin the tail on insulin as the cause of Insulin Resistance, but alas it isn't.

How can you be so sure?

There's a long list that contributes to Insulin resistance and the biggest contributors are the overconsumption of food, any food, and leading a sedentary lifestyle. If you take a look at the demographic afflicted most often with IS you'll see that it belongs to a cluster of conditions called MetS (metabolic disorder) that is most often associated with obesity. Most of the world eats lots of carbs and don't have IS. If carbs (glucose) was the cause, then the assoication of IS wouldn't discriminate and everyone that consums carbs would have IS, but they don't. Move and don't overconsume food and that includes carbs will make everyone insulin sensitive.....everyone.