Eat as natural as possible!!!

CMmrsfloyd

Can I see some of those statistics of which you speak? Apparently I'm beating the odds, I'd love to know by how much. ;-)

grinch031

A little bit confused where are going with this then? Just stating that some people fail at losing weight?

Just showing there is more to weight loss than Calories IN, Calories OUT.

CMmrsfloyd

A little bit confused where are going with this then? Just stating that some people fail at losing weight?

Just showing there is more to weight loss than Calories IN, Calories OUT.

Didn't you just say that people fall off the wagon and start eating more calories, and THAT'S when they fail? So doesn't that mean it IS calories in vs. calories out?

Bikini27

Yeah but the most important aspect of weight loss is adherence to the plan. And even if you hit goal, you have to stay on a maintenance plan or you regain everything back.

Even with my crap I am at over 100g protein per day, so with the combination of the crap I love and all that filling protein, I'm sticking to my plan just fine. ;-)

Exactly. Many people if they take out all processed foods they would quit after a week. Me included. Can't and dont want to eat 100% healthy 100% of the time.

Okay but the reality is that the majority of all dieters fail in the long term.

Fad dieters yes, people who think they have to have to treat it as if they eat one cookie they fail, yes. But people who treat it as a lifestyle change and Incorporate foods they enjoy with healthy and unhealthy foods, will make it. I am one of those I have kept my excess weight off even though I go on full diet breaks and vacations. When I was dumb and like 15 i tried low carb, south beach, and the iron fist ways. Gave up very quickly because I was miserable. I found what works and wont gain in back

Yeah but the majority of people who follow the same approach as you fail also. So if certain foods are addictive and one tries to keep them in their diet, chances are they'll sooner or later stop moderating and start overeating again.

So... what are you doing to be different from everyone else? Just curious.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

Calories in Calories out.

It is the BEST key to good health though :drinker:

that's kind of a myth. it works for the most part but if you're eating only crap, it really won't get all the weight off you. they have to be SMART calories

Nope. Plenty of people on here and prove it true. Laws of thermodynamics

True. You can eat total crap, but if you're eating less calories than you're burning, you'll loose weight. You might wind up with a heart condition or something, but you'll be skinny. The best thing for your HEALTH though, is to eat clean and unprocessed foods full of nutrients, not chemicals and preservatives.

Health and weight loss is NOT the same thing. That is what I am pointing out.

Very, very true!!!

grinch031

Can I see some of those statistics of which you speak? Apparently I'm beating the odds, I'd love to know by how much. ;-)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070404162428.htm

To me what I see as a big problem is most people don't want to give up the foods that caused them to be obese in the first place. That's why I agree natural eating is a great step in the right direction.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

A little bit confused where are going with this then? Just stating that some people fail at losing weight?

Just showing there is more to weight loss than Calories IN, Calories OUT.

People don't understand the Thermodynamics of fat loss and how all calories are not created equal.

**fixing typos***

grinch031

A little bit confused where are going with this then? Just stating that some people fail at losing weight?

Just showing there is more to weight loss than Calories IN, Calories OUT.

Didn't you just say that people fall off the wagon and start eating more calories, and THAT'S when they fail? So doesn't that mean it IS calories in vs. calories out?

Calories IN, Calories OUT is not a key to weight loss, it is a model of the energy distribution throughout the body.

yesthistime

Now I will agree that people with cleaner diets probably have better health indicators and less risk factors for various diseases, but weightloss is all about the calories.

Yes.

hpsnickers1

Calories in Calories out.

It is the BEST key to good health though :drinker:

that's kind of a myth. it works for the most part but if you're eating only crap, it really won't get all the weight off you. they have to be SMART calories

Nope. Plenty of people on here and prove it true. Laws of thermodynamics

The quality is much more important than the quantity.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-context-of-calories/#axzz1lM7hzumx
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/#axzz1lM8lRljX

Sure you can lose weight cutting calories but then what? You will have to count calories for the rest of your life to keep the weight off. I have yet to meet someone who has lost weight and kept it off for years and years by counting calories.

SergeantSunshine_reused

Not really how you are showing that at all. You are saying dieters fail because of lack of will power

Calories in vs calories out is still what it comes down to.

grinch031

Not really how you are showing that at all. You are saying dieters fail because of lack of will power

Calories in vs calories out is still what it comes down to.

I think when it comes to willpower, they need to pick quality foods and the quantity part will take care of itself. Nobody gets fat eating natural foods, unless they sit there eating jars of cashews all day long.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

Not really how you are showing that at all. You are saying dieters fail because of lack of will power

Calories in vs calories out is still what it comes down to.

Calories are not created equal and burn at different rates...........and insulin production plays a HUGE role in this.......

As outlined in this study where 2 different sets of people snacking on different foods and some gained weight at a much higher percentage............

http://blog.fooducate.com/2010/10/20/not-all-calories-are-equal-indeed/

Bikini27

Not really how you are showing that at all. You are saying dieters fail because of lack of will power

Calories in vs calories out is still what it comes down to.

I think when it comes to willpower, they need to pick quality foods and the quantity part will take care of itself. Nobody gets fat eating natural foods, unless they sit there eating jars of cashews all day long.

OK, so you don't believe in fast foods and processed foods, which is the premise of the post.

Are there any cheat days?

PaleoPath4Lyfe

I keep saying this time and time again..........

Not only are all calories NOT equal, they are really irrelevant, especially when discussing eating natural, whole foods.

Quality matters over Quantity any and every day.

Calories – Not Created Equal and Perhaps Not All That Relevant
Many diet and exercise programs are based on us “counting calories” and assuming all calories are created equal. This goes back to the 1870’s and the scientific finding of the First Law of Thermodynamics. We learn from Wikipedia, “The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. It is usually formulated by stating that the change in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of heat supplied to the system, minus the amount of work performed by the system on its surroundings.” This theory was applied to the human being. Resulting in the myth that whatever calories we consume through eating we need to burn through activity otherwise these calories will store as fat and we will gain weight.

For the rest of the article, click here. http://brwellness.blogspot.com/2012/02/calories-not-created-equal-and-perhaps.html

CMmrsfloyd

Okay, I've been working to wrap my brain around this, and I think I've finally got it. Cut out the foods that made you fat but don't go on a diet, even though by cutting out certain foods you ARE on a diet. Calories in vs. calories out doesn't matter even though you lose weight when your body burns more than you consume and gain if you fall off the wagon and eat too much. Up is down and left is right. Got it.

Bikini27

Okay, I've been working to wrap my brain around this, and I think I've finally got it. Cut out the foods that made you fat but don't go on a diet, even though by cutting out certain foods you ARE on a diet. Calories in vs. calories out doesn't matter even though you lose weight when your body burns more than you consume and gain if you fall off the wagon and eat too much. Up is down and left is right. Got it.

:flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:

grinch031

Not really how you are showing that at all. You are saying dieters fail because of lack of will power

Calories in vs calories out is still what it comes down to.

I think when it comes to willpower, they need to pick quality foods and the quantity part will take care of itself. Nobody gets fat eating natural foods, unless they sit there eating jars of cashews all day long.

OK, so you don't believe in fast foods and processed foods, which is the premise of the post.

Are there any cheat days?

My philosophy is you need to take the path of least resistance. I had an enormous addiction to refined carbs, so I removed them almost completely. Since I don't have to deal with them on a daily basis and moderate portions anymore, I don't really think about them too much. I haven't gone full natural (like I still eat processed meats), because I found that I didn't need to go to that extent. Although most of the foods I eat now are perishable and I spend a lot of time cutting up produce. Its a big improvement over what I was doing before.

I do have cheat days every week or two, but I've met people where a cheat day makes them fall off the wagon. But I think the key is to have those go-to natural foods that you can eat when you're really hungry and aren't loaded with empty calories.

Bikini27

Not really how you are showing that at all. You are saying dieters fail because of lack of will power

Calories in vs calories out is still what it comes down to.

I think when it comes to willpower, they need to pick quality foods and the quantity part will take care of itself. Nobody gets fat eating natural foods, unless they sit there eating jars of cashews all day long.

OK, so you don't believe in fast foods and processed foods, which is the premise of the post.

Are there any cheat days?

My philosophy is you need to take the path of least resistance. I had an enormous addiction to refined carbs, so I removed them almost completely. Since I don't have to deal with them on a daily basis and moderate portions anymore, I don't really think about them too much. I haven't gone full natural (like I still eat processed meats), because I found that I didn't need to go to that extent. Although most of the foods I eat now are perishable and I spend a lot of time cutting up produce. Its a big improvement over what I was doing before.

I do have cheat days every week or two, but I've met people where a cheat day makes them fall off the wagon. But I think the key is to have those go-to natural foods that you can eat when you're really hungry and aren't loaded with empty calories.

So we're doing the same thing and paying attention to our cals in and out, BUT making those going in are as good as possible because we are more satisfied and energized.

Took a few posts to get here but I got you now. :drinker:

grinch031

Okay, I've been working to wrap my brain around this, and I think I've finally got it. Cut out the foods that made you fat but don't go on a diet, even though by cutting out certain foods you ARE on a diet. Calories in vs. calories out doesn't matter even though you lose weight when your body burns more than you consume and gain if you fall off the wagon and eat too much. Up is down and left is right. Got it.

Calories in vs. Calories out does matter, but it is simply stating the obvious, but is not a means to an end. If you look at it like that, then you haven't thought out your plan and it will probably fail in the end.

zaaden

The tried and tested phrase "Everything in moderation" springs to mind in regards to this thread.

Generally eat as healthy as possible but that does not mean no processed foods. The aim should be to start eating in a healthy way that you can continue not a short burst which you cannot keep to and then fall back on bad ways.

LourdesitaMaria

Eat any thing you want just stay in a calorie deficit and you will still lose weight... Macro ratios are really irrelevant when it comes to losing weight.

That is absolutely untrue, medically and scientifically. Because you have to still consider the fat and the kinds of fat that you're taking in as well as the number of carbs and sodium. Your body needs certain kinds of nutrients in order to metabolize effectively that which we eat. If you take in too much sodium you won't lose consistently or at all. Some people on here need to be more care about what they say when it comes to nutrition...it is not conscientious to lead others astray.

neanderthin

I keep saying this time and time again..........

Not only are all calories NOT equal, they are really irrelevant, especially when discussing eating natural, whole foods.

Quality matters over Quantity any and every day.

Calories – Not Created Equal and Perhaps Not All That Relevant
Many diet and exercise programs are based on us “counting calories” and assuming all calories are created equal. This goes back to the 1870’s and the scientific finding of the First Law of Thermodynamics. We learn from Wikipedia, “The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. It is usually formulated by stating that the change in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of heat supplied to the system, minus the amount of work performed by the system on its surroundings.” This theory was applied to the human being. Resulting in the myth that whatever calories we consume through eating we need to burn through activity otherwise these calories will store as fat and we will gain weight.

For the rest of the article, click here. http://brwellness.blogspot.com/2012/02/calories-not-created-equal-and-perhaps.html

If you beleive this then you should be able to identify what actually isn't accounted for on the out side of the energy balance equation.....basically what gets by and doesn't get used as energy. Inquisitive minds would like to know.

grinch031

The tried and tested phrase "Everything in moderation" springs to mind in regards to this thread.

Generally eat as healthy as possible but that does not mean no processed foods. The aim should be to start eating in a healthy way that you can continue not a short burst which you cannot keep to and then fall back on bad ways.

Would you say the same thing to an alcoholic?

CMmrsfloyd

The tried and tested phrase "Everything in moderation" springs to mind in regards to this thread.

Generally eat as healthy as possible but that does not mean no processed foods. The aim should be to start eating in a healthy way that you can continue not a short burst which you cannot keep to and then fall back on bad ways.

Would you say the same thing to an alcoholic?

Alcoholism is a disease. Eating ice cream every now and then is not.

grinch031

The tried and tested phrase "Everything in moderation" springs to mind in regards to this thread.

Generally eat as healthy as possible but that does not mean no processed foods. The aim should be to start eating in a healthy way that you can continue not a short burst which you cannot keep to and then fall back on bad ways.

Would you say the same thing to an alcoholic?

Eating ice cream every now and then is not.

Are you sure about that? Do you know what goes on when an obese person has metabolic syndrome?

Micheller1210

Calories in Calories out.

It is the BEST key to good health though :drinker:

that's kind of a myth. it works for the most part but if you're eating only crap, it really won't get all the weight off you. they have to be SMART calories

Nope. Plenty of people on here and prove it true. Laws of thermodynamics

Really can McDonalds rejuvenate your health like eating clean can>?

bauer1971

I often wonder if people argue so much on these threads because they're bored and or is it just because they are the types of people who must always be right. We all know the obvious rules of eat healthy, gargage in - garbage out, etc...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink it.

grinch031

Calories in Calories out.

It is the BEST key to good health though :drinker:

that's kind of a myth. it works for the most part but if you're eating only crap, it really won't get all the weight off you. they have to be SMART calories

Nope. Plenty of people on here and prove it true. Laws of thermodynamics

Really can McDonalds rejuvenate your health like eating clean can>?

I would probably do okay if I ate McDonalds, but I could only eat probably one meal a day before I got fat. And I'd be starving all the time. Probably wouldn't last very long on the diet.

CMmrsfloyd

The tried and tested phrase "Everything in moderation" springs to mind in regards to this thread.

Generally eat as healthy as possible but that does not mean no processed foods. The aim should be to start eating in a healthy way that you can continue not a short burst which you cannot keep to and then fall back on bad ways.

Would you say the same thing to an alcoholic?

Eating ice cream every now and then is not.

Are you sure about that? Do you know what goes on when an obese person has metabolic syndrome?

Not sure why you editted out half of my post, but whatever. Yes, I am quite sure that eating ice cream EVERY NOW AND THEN is not a disease. If a particular person HAS a metabolic disease, then eating ice cream might affect them, but the act of eating ice cream itself in moderation is not disordered or unhealthy eating.