My response to people that say humans HAVE to eat meat...
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No where does it say that humans have to eat meat. There are plenty of plant based foods that provide adequate protein. Many of the top killer cancers and diseases of Americans are caused by food and poor nutrition, overconsumption of animal based foods, and refined sugars that cause high cholesterol and high blood sugar. 40% of Americans are overweight, and cost the U.S. billions of dollars in health care due to treatments and surgeries for otherwise mostly preventable causes (Diabetes, heart disease, prostate/breast cancer, etc.) Eastern cultures in which diets are mostly plant based, have little to almost bar none death rates of cancer and disease compared to Western civilizations in which meat/dairy consumption is part of an everyday diet. Not saying nobody should ever eat meat or dairy again, but we should be more aware of what we are putting into are bodies and cutting back on what is killing us. It has been tested and proven that we can prevent and even reverse most illnesses with diet oppose to prescription medications. (FYI to everyone) Many vegans and vegetarians have far few health problems than people who "have" to eat meat. Many who make the switch are smart enough to provide their bodies with the necessary vitamins and nutrition to live a healthy life. Many Americans have no idea how to sacrifice, even if it means for their health in the long run. It is sad we live in a world where our temporary satisfaction we get with the foods that "comfort" us, trump that of our lifelong health. We don't know any better anymore. We are raised with greed and overconsumption and most of us will never now what it is like to starve and struggle. Chew on that!
I am not looking for a heated debate, just opinions, and I love to hear what people from other countries have to say about this American argument. Thank you.
As someone with 3/4 of a PhD (so far lol) in studying diet-related obesity and metabolic disease and dysregulation....false.
As someone who deals with scientific literature every day, I really appreciate cites to studies.
Great, go look some up. ^_^ Not here to do your homework. I just do the stuff so you can read about it.0 -
Hmmm. So how is it that I induce obesity, diabetes, fatty liver, etc....in my vegetarian mice? :huh:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1743-7075/6/43
Rhetorical question. I know how I do it since I'm the one FEEDING them.0 -
As someone with 3/4 of a PhD (so far lol) in studying diet-related obesity and metabolic disease and dysregulation....false.
As someone who deals with scientific literature every day, I really appreciate cites to studies.
By the way, I do not imply or agree with the ad Verecundiam argument, which I believe you were advocating. Experts make mistakes. In my experience, frequently.0 -
So pretty much the chemotherapy, insulin injections, emergency inhalers, pacemaker, ect ect companies all have a giant conspiracy to stay in business by hiding the fact all hospitals need to do is install a salad bar to solve all of humanities diseases and health problems.
I was a vegetarian for 3 years. I knew before I even started not to bother trying to convince other people because 1) If they want to change they will 2) I didn't want to sound like a preachy know it all 3) If you spout off be prepared for backlash. Why did I start eating meat again, because I missed it and I continually had a b-12 deficiency. Do I see it as a failure, no. Do I see it as a sucess, no. It was something I gave a try and it wasn't for me.0 -
Furthermore, your claim that we can prevent and reverse most illnesses with diet is absolute bull ****.
Not true at all. I have heard this on so many shows in regards to diabetes, etc. If people change the way they're eating, the world would be a healthier place and health care cost would go down.
I only wish that the world would stop eating any meat from a cow. Trust me, I LOVE steak, meatballs, etc. It would be hard.
But realistically, cows are the #1 cause of global warming and the break down of our ozone. SO I'd give it up if it meant a more sustainable planet. Completely off the topic but just saying....
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As someone with 3/4 of a PhD (so far lol) in studying diet-related obesity and metabolic disease and dysregulation....false.
As someone who deals with scientific literature every day, I really appreciate cites to studies.
By the way, I do not imply or agree with the ad Verecundiam argument, which I believe you were advocating. Experts make mistakes. In my experience, frequently.
The experts aren't the ones doing the studies.
It's their grad students. Maybe you should read from journals with higher impact factors. 0 -
Hmmm. So how is it that I induce obesity, diabetes, fatty liver, etc....in my vegetarian mice? :huh:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1743-7075/6/43
Rhetorical question. I know how I do it since I'm the one FEEDING them.
It may have been a rhetorical question, and another subtile suggestion by you that I submit to the ad Verecundiam argument, which I will not do. I gave you a citation. Why don't you give me one that proves your point (whatever it is)? Or can't you?0 -
I'm a life long vegetarian and come from one of those eastern cultures. I've seen plenty of disease and disorders that are rampant there. Let's not paint the entire population of the east with one brush.
I just want to live and let live. I don't have extreme views due to being vegetarian. I don't want people to dislike vegetarianism because of posts like this. That is all.0 -
you are right you aren't interested in starting a heated debate, you are interested in preaching to people and showing your superiority over everyone else. because look how you treat your body so much better because you don't eat meat. i am glad it has worked for you but if we all ate the same thing there wouldn't be enough for everyone. not to mention that there are numorous links and cause of cancer. if we knew what caused cancer we would be able to stop it, duh!0
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So pretty much the chemotherapy, insulin injections, emergency inhalers, pacemaker, ect ect companies all have a giant conspiracy to stay in business by hiding the fact all hospitals need to do is install a salad bar to solve all of humanities diseases and health problems.
:laugh: !!!0 -
As someone with 3/4 of a PhD (so far lol) in studying diet-related obesity and metabolic disease and dysregulation....false.
As someone who deals with scientific literature every day, I really appreciate cites to studies.
By the way, I do not imply or agree with the ad Verecundiam argument, which I believe you were advocating. Experts make mistakes. In my experience, frequently.
The experts aren't the ones doing the studies. It's their grad students. Maybe you should read from journals with higher impact factors.
Gee, I guess Nature, Cell, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, JBC, and the other journals I read are shoddy. Tell me which ones I should be reading.0 -
I can't stand the amount of preaching in this thread. I don't eat meat, but that's for my own reasons. I don't expect anyone else to make the same choices I make, nor do I think my way is any better.
VegesaurusRex, you actually do more harm than good. Not only is your self-righteous attitude offensive to people who eat animal products, but you also push other vegetarians away because they don't want to be in any way affiliated with you.
It's great that you have found a way of life that works for you, but please stop trying to cram it down everyone else's throat with your biased science and smug belligerence. Please stop being such a harsh toke.0 -
Agree. I was a vegeterian for 3 years and was ill. So its definitely not the answer for getting healthy. I dig the moderation idea.Vegetarian/vegan doesn't mean healthy - and I know quite a few vegetarians/vegans (and I happen to be a dairy-free veggie myself). One of my closest friends has been veggie for over 25 years but is a little overweight, regularly getting pretty bad chest infections and has recently been diagnosed with gallstones. All of which is probably to do with the amount he smokes (or did until recently) and the amount of beer he drinks (proper beer/ale, not lager, just to specify )
There are worse things for your health than eating meat. (although the long term ethical and ecological impacts of meat-eating is something else *whistles innocently*)0 -
As someone with 3/4 of a PhD (so far lol) in studying diet-related obesity and metabolic disease and dysregulation....false.
As someone who deals with scientific literature every day, I really appreciate cites to studies.
By the way, I do not imply or agree with the ad Verecundiam argument, which I believe you were advocating. Experts make mistakes. In my experience, frequently.
The experts aren't the ones doing the studies. It's their grad students. Maybe you should read from journals with higher impact factors.
Gee, I guess Nature, Cell, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, JBC, and the other journals I read are shoddy. Tell me which ones I should be reading.
Well then I'd love to hear about all these mistakes so I can avoid making them in the future.0 -
I love eating meat!
Always will!
soy protein gives me constipation and I have to eat 17 figs to fix it.
=(
That hamburger looks so tasty
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Everyone's choice is there own, and regardless of what science throws at us it will never stop us from doing what we want to do and that's our right as being at the top of the food chain and the most intelligent animal that walks this earth. I'm currently changing my diet from being an omnivore to ovo - vegetarian as my body has an allergy to meat and dairy protein's. I've chosen to be vegetarian in the past and to be quite frank, it's people like yourself that give vegetarian's a bad press. I've never once preached to someone about me being a vegetarian and never will, it's rude and unthoughtful. We all have the right to our own opinion's.
Don't preach to people, you will instantly get there back's up, it's people's individual choice, just as much as it's your choice to not eat meat.
There are alternative's these day's for everything, but doesn't mean we all have to jump on the bandwagon, and start forcing our view's down other people's throat's, just because we think people should live their live's a certain way. This is a the same argument with religion, raising kids, smoking and termination's and just about every topic in this whole bloody planet, there will always be someone for and some against. Trying to convert people to your way of thinking is dictatorial, and as Hitler proved, it didn't work.
I totally understand about obesity, crikey i need to lose over half my body weight, but there are some people out there who don't want to change and after all ignorance is bliss 0 -
<<We are raised with greed and overconsumption and most of us will never now what it is like to starve and struggle.>>
I DO agree with the first part of this sentence. This goes for food, money, and material possessions. Greed is, unfortunately, what makes the world go 'round these days. Unless you are upper management of a major corporation the second half of the sentence is debatable.0 -
Our physiology is made up to eat both animal products and plant material, we're not herbivores. Plain and simple.0
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I went vegan for about a year and caved to my meat addiction. I'm slowly weaning myself off meat again, because I just felt so much better physically and emotionally on a vegan based diet.0
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I can't stand the amount of preaching in this thread. I don't eat meat, but that's for my own reasons. I don't expect anyone else to make the same choices I make, nor do I think my way is any better.
VegesaurusRex, you actually do more harm than good. Not only is your self-righteous attitude offensive to people who eat animal products, but you also push other vegetarians away because they don't want to be in any way affiliated with you.
Your choice. I am not actually trying to convert anyone. I don't care if people want to do stupid things, and I have no desire to stop them, just so long as I don't have to pay the consequences, e.g., Obamacare.
It's great that you have found a way of life that works for you, but please stop trying to cram it down everyone else's throat with your biased science and smug belligerence. Please stop being such a harsh toke.
As they say when, I come into the room, "One toke over the line, Sweet Jesus!"0 -
As they say when, I come into the room, "One toke over the line, Sweet Jesus!"
Only one?
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Our physiology is made up to eat both animal products and plant material, we're not herbivores. Plain and simple.
You are wrong, plain and simple. Our dentition, mandibular structure and intestines are all herbivore. We are not carnivores. As for omnivore, I have yet to hear a defintiion of that word that makes sense. A carnivore eats mostly meat. A herbivore eats mostly vegetables. What does an omnivore eat?0 -
God wants us to eat animals.
Tis the will of thy creator.....:drinker:
I can easily prove this.
Answer for yourself:
IF GOD DID NOT WANT US EATING ANIMALS, WHY DID HE MAKE THEM OUT OF MEAT?
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While I agree with what people are saying regarding the condesending tone of this original post, I would like to point out something else many people have hit on: the great thing about living in this individualistic country is that I can choose what I want to put into my body. I can be a vegan, vegitarian, pescatarian, omnivore, carnivore, dinosaur... oops. Got a little carried away there. Ahem... so, anyway, we have the freedom to choose. So I do think this post was created to cause drama, but I guess that is okay too, because we have the right to debate over it! I eat meat, in very small quanities. I know friends who are vegans that are in very terrible health and some vegans in great health. I know people that have never felt better when adopting a vegitarian lifestyle and others that never felt more tired (low iron) while on a vegitarian diet.
Main point: isn't all about moderation? I mean, we talk about chocolate and pizza and how if we feel we need to have some, consume it in moderation. Isn't it the same for any other food? Cabbage is not bad for you, but eating ONLY cabbage is not healthy (for all those that starved on the cabbage soup diet that was all the rage a few years ago). We need a good variety of foods to get what our bodies need - but I see no problem with people finding their own ways of doing that.
It IS a shame that vegans and vegitarians feel the need to defend their choices, especially when some of them post things like this. It's a step back in equal rights for vegans/vegitarians. 0 -
I respect those who choose to eat veggie but I get tired of hearing meat described as an "addiction" which it isn't. I choose to be a conscientious omnivore and that should be respected too.
A lot of veggie folks eat lots and lots of cheese.. all cheese is full of mold and I've never felt healthier since giving it up.
I've lost 30 pounds eating lean meat, eggs and fresh raw and cooked veggies. I have relatives and friends who are mostly vegetarian but they eat cheese and refined flour and are very overweight.
And now I'll really get this party started by posting this link. I feel every person trying to be vegan should read this young woman's brave blog. http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/
Best wishes to you all, no matter what dietary approach you choose, may it be the one that's truly best for your body, not just the one you *think* is best.0 -
As someone with 3/4 of a PhD (so far lol) in studying diet-related obesity and metabolic disease and dysregulation....false.
As someone who deals with scientific literature every day, I really appreciate cites to studies.
By the way, I do not imply or agree with the ad Verecundiam argument, which I believe you were advocating. Experts make mistakes. In my experience, frequently.
The experts aren't the ones doing the studies. It's their grad students. Maybe you should read from journals with higher impact factors.
Gee, I guess Nature, Cell, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, JBC, and the other journals I read are shoddy. Tell me which ones I should be reading.
Well then I'd love to hear about all these mistakes so I can avoid making them in the future.
I sent you one cite, and am waiting for your first citation to anything. I don't know what you are doing so I can't tell you what mistakes you are making.0 -
mmmm.... Meat.0
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I rarely get sick, nor does my family. We do eat meat. Correlation does not equal causation. Humanity has been omnivorous for well over 100,000 years, We don't HAVE to eat meat, but boy it sure is scrumptious to carve into a nice, juicy steak. I love me a good turkey on Thanksgiving and ham at Christmas. Things just would not be as happy for me without the yummy meat in my life.
There are those who get on their moralistic high horse by saying they care about the planet and the fluffy little bunny rabbits because they have chosen not to inflict their dietary support on those animals. That's fine. More for me.
Your morals do not trump my own which understands that every living thing on this planet has to take from something else to sustain itself. Humanity is just part of the chain. When I die, the worms and plants can take what I have to offer and use it to sustain themselves. I won't need it anymore.
Kill to eat or to keep from being eaten. That is the jungle law.0 -
As they say when, I come into the room, "One toke over the line, Sweet Jesus!"
Only one?
It's a song, Sweetie.0 -
As they say when, I come into the room, "One toke over the line, Sweet Jesus!"
Only one?
It's a song, Sweetie.
Yes. It was joke, Daffodil.0
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