My response to people that say humans HAVE to eat meat...
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I was born with incisors and canine teeth.
But wait! A girl up there says we're not natural omnivores! It's in writing............on the internet! It HAS to be true! Your teeth can't mean more than blanket statements made on the internet!0 -
That "If God didn't want us to animals, why did he make them out of meat" "logic" if you want to call it that, is so overrated, and totally not true.
Also, humans are not natural omnivores. Just saying
If we are not natural omnivores then what are we? We are not herbivores that is for sure since we can't break down cellulose.0 -
I'll take my steak medium well please 0
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The obesity rate is higher than what you posted: 33. 7% of adults and 17.3% of children are considered obese in the United States. That's 50 percent of the population!
You are correct that many health problems can be resolved by loosing weight. Meat and dairy are two of the fattiest foods around. Dairy, tooted as being needed for its calcium content, is the worst of the two. The calcium in dairy is miniscule compared to that in plants. Additionally, it is very difficult to absorb calcium from dairy products. On top of that, the cassein in dairy products is high and is linked to cancer as well as many other health issues. A slice of cheese has quadruple the cassein than what milk has, so eating cheese is really bad for one's health.
As for meat, I have watched enough videos about meat glue and other products used to make inferior meat into what appears to be a superior product that I don't think a piece of beef has passed my mouth since. I used to work for the FDA, inspecting slaughterhouses. The atrocities that I saw there made me puke at times. Carcasses being hacked open so quickly that feces flowed onto the meat which was later sent on down the line, carelessly rinsed off, and then sent on for processing. Meat also got dropped on the floor where feces and other things flowed. The other inspectors forced me to look the other way. Instead, I quit.
Yes, we have irradiated meat these days. That's irradiated feces to me. I don't eat feces, thank you. I really loved an article I read that said that to avoid food poisoning, use a dishwasher because it sterilizes the dishes and any food on them. That doesn't help you avoid contaminated meat and other foods, like eats and vegetables. It is time that the industry cleans up its act and starts to take care in the production of American's food.
Now for a story with a happy ending:
I am an RN. I was working on a med-surg unit and had a patient that was admitted with high blood pressure. During his stay, he found out that he had obstructive sleep apnea, fatty liver disease, gastric reflux (which can lead to esophageal cancer), and diabetes. He was young, around 28 years of age, and had three small children. He was told by the ER physician to write his will while in the hospital because his blood pressure was spiking over 200 systolic and 100 diastolic.
I sat with him one evening because he was despondent. The social worker had come and given him information about wills and advanced directives. He had pretty much given up. He said to me that he was sad to leave his three children fatherless and really wished that he could do things over again. I said to him that the problem was all here and patted my stomach. "What do you mean?" he asked. "The problem is all here." I patted my stomach again. He still looked confused and so I repeated my statement, but patted his stomach instead.
"You mean that if I lose all this weight I will possibly live?" he asked. I told him that many health issues are caused by the extra weight that we carry and the lack of exercise. Diabetes and heart issues have been very well linked to obesity. With all the fat in the abdomen, pressure is pushed up on the diaphragm, leading to gastric reflux and obstructive sleep apnea. He was discharged the next morning so I didn't get to say goodbye. I could only hope that he did well.
About one year later, this man came on the floor with his wife and three children in tow. His wife was noticeably pregnant. He had a dozen roses in his hand. I didn't recognize him and walked on by. He called out my name and I immediately recognized the voice. I turned and was totally blown away by how he looked. He was buffed and you could tell that he was a healthy 29 or 30 year old man. They all thanked me, even the children, for helping their dad see that he needed to lose weight in order to live. All his health issues had resolved.
As a nurse, I have seen many people with so many problems from being obese. It is so sad when you have a 16 year old patient who is over 500 pounds and can barely move from bed because of the weight. I have seen many of these same patients order in chicken wings, pizza loaded with meat, etc. or have family members bring in double cheeseburgers, KFC, or other food.
Most people on this site have weight issues. You need to ask yourself what role eating meat played in making you overweight/obese. Many Americans don't have a clue about what one serving of meat looks like which leads to the overconsumption of meat.
If you do not look at the way you used to eat and just continue to eat the same way with only changing the amount of food ingested, you have a good chance of gaining back the weight once you are done dieting. If you dramatically change the way that you live, your whole lifestyle, including cutting out certain things in your diet, such as red meat, sugar, and fats, you have a better chance of losing the weight and keeping it off.
I am not putting meat-eaters down here. I am still eating meat, mostly wild caught fish. Never beef. Very occasionally chicken. But I plan to go back to being a vegetarian. I used to weight 294 pounds and went on a vegetarian diet. I lost over 100 pounds. Unfortunately, I lapsed and went back to eating meat, gaining about 25 pounds. That is what meat does to me.
The added bonus is that my cholesterol labs were very, very good. High HDL, low LDL, very low VLDL, and my triglycerides...well, my doctor said he never had seen lower levels. All because of being vegetarian. I can't wait to get back to vegetarian. Actually, why am I waiting. I think I will start today!0 -
All things in moderation is the key. BTW, a couple of the most UNHEALTHY folks I know are vegans. They have been unable to cure their illnesses with diet. Just a statement. Diet alone is not a cure all.0
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The obesity rate is higher than what you posted: 33. 7% of adults and 17.3% of children are considered obese in the United States. That's 50 percent of the population!
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The added bonus is that my cholesterol labs were very, very good. High HDL, low LDL, very low VLDL, and my triglycerides...well, my doctor said he never had seen lower levels. All because of being vegetarian. I can't wait to get back to vegetarian. Actually, why am I waiting. I think I will start today!
I am not fat because of meat and fat, I am fat because of carbs and sugar.
I think some of this people would benefit from a nice tender and hard piece of meat, srsly0 -
Lordy Moses...You eat you want and I'll eat what I want....end of story0
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And on a more meta level:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
This is a very cool Ted talk about morality. Pay special attention to number 5: purity/sanctity. It would seem we are hard-wired for this type of debate.
However, it's important to be balanced, do your research & not just "eat up" what people tell you, however persuasive they may be. People have mentioned Forks over Knives on this thread. I found this blog, which talks about the science presented in the film & was pretty impressed with the level of research: http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
FTR, I do eat meat, but not a lot & I've had a few vegan & vegetarian years in my life. Over time, I figured out the way my particular body likes to be fed. I do seem to need a fair bit of protein to balance out the sugars, as well as a fair bit of iron as I tend towards anemia. Meat, in moderation, seems to be a good way to meet those needs.0 -
Lol will this stupid veggies versus meat lovers war ever stop? It doesn't matter if I need it or not - I eat it, because I want to. Because I have the right of choice and so have you. It doesn't make me cruel to eat meat. I make sure to check where my meat and fish comes from.
By the way, peopel are starting to fattening up since they've started to grow plants, potatoes, etc and stopped bringing it in themselves. Lets be honest our problem isnt the food itself, our problem is that we are a society of lazy bums, that can;t be bothered actually doing something to earn the food we eat (no fatties when you had to hunt you own meat and collect your own plants mind you ^^)0 -
If humans weren't supposed to eat meat, then why do we have those pesky incisor teeth. They are for ripping and tearing....meat. And yes, most eastern cultures survive on non meat diets......and they are 5'2" and way 100 pounds. They don't eat meat because they can't affort it, not because it's a choice. Let's go stand in some communist chinese families house. You can hand them a bowl of rice and some broccoli and tell them how awesome their non meat diet is. I'll be sitting in the corner not saying a word with a four 18 oz Ribeyes. I'm willing to bet they will beat you silly with a bottle of soy sauce and join me for a real dinner.
Gee, here is a photo of a carnivore. I assume that next to your post, that is your picture. You know something, your teeth do not look the same. Here is some advice for you:
Stalk a big, feisty watermelon, as big as you can find. Jump it, and bring it down. Go for the soft underbelly or the genitals. Then when it is on the ground break its neck. Then dig into the juicy red meat.
Awaiting your report.0 -
If humans weren't supposed to eat meat, then why do we have those pesky incisor teeth. They are for ripping and tearing....meat. And yes, most eastern cultures survive on non meat diets......and they are 5'2" and way 100 pounds. They don't eat meat because they can't affort it, not because it's a choice. Let's go stand in some communist chinese families house. You can hand them a bowl of rice and some broccoli and tell them how awesome their non meat diet is. I'll be sitting in the corner not saying a word with a four 18 oz Ribeyes. I'm willing to bet they will beat you silly with a bottle of soy sauce and join me for a real dinner.
Gee, here is a photo of a carnivore. I assume that next to your post, that is your picture. You know something, your teeth do not look the same. Here is some advice for you:
Stalk a big, feisty watermelon, as big as you can find. Jump it, and bring it down. Go for the soft underbelly or the genitals. Then when it is on the ground break its neck. Then dig into the juicy red meat.
Awaiting your report.
You STILL aren't answering my question. :grumble:0 -
That's one weird space between your toes...maybe you should eat more fishLordy Moses...You eat you want and I'll eat what I want....end of story0 -
If humans weren't supposed to eat meat, then why do we have those pesky incisor teeth. They are for ripping and tearing....meat. And yes, most eastern cultures survive on non meat diets......and they are 5'2" and way 100 pounds. They don't eat meat because they can't affort it, not because it's a choice. Let's go stand in some communist chinese families house. You can hand them a bowl of rice and some broccoli and tell them how awesome their non meat diet is. I'll be sitting in the corner not saying a word with a four 18 oz Ribeyes. I'm willing to bet they will beat you silly with a bottle of soy sauce and join me for a real dinner.
Gee, here is a photo of a carnivore. I assume that next to your post, that is your picture. You know something, your teeth do not look the same. Here is some advice for you:
Stalk a big, feisty watermelon, as big as you can find. Jump it, and bring it down. Go for the soft underbelly or the genitals. Then when it is on the ground break its neck. Then dig into the juicy red meat.
Awaiting your report.
Just for the record: Of course we don't look like that, because we are not carnivores. We are omnivores, so we have teeth both to eat plants and to eat meat with. Goodness.
It is nice to see rational vegetarians, vegans, and meat lovers in this thread (of course, mixed in with the amusing evangelists on either side).0 -
Did they claim that humans are carnivores?0
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Mmm, this burger tastes so good
You only live once, enjoy your life & your food.
We're omnivores anyway, it's natural for humans to eat meat, that's how the food chain works.0 -
I think he said he liked tacos...Did he claim that humans are carnivores?
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You STILL aren't answering my question. :grumble:
Ignored my post too.
Not surprising.0 -
If God didn't want you to eat meat, he wouldn't have made it so dang tasty.
(Just kiddin'...well, kinda)0 -
The obesity rate is higher than what you posted: 33. 7% of adults and 17.3% of children are considered obese in the United States. That's 50 percent of the population!
You are correct that many health problems can be resolved by loosing weight. Meat and dairy are two of the fattiest foods around. Dairy, tooted as being needed for its calcium content, is the worst of the two. The calcium in dairy is miniscule compared to that in plants. Additionally, it is very difficult to absorb calcium from dairy products. On top of that, the cassein in dairy products is high and is linked to cancer as well as many other health issues. A slice of cheese has quadruple the cassein than what milk has, so eating cheese is really bad for one's health.
As for meat, I have watched enough videos about meat glue and other products used to make inferior meat into what appears to be a superior product that I don't think a piece of beef has passed my mouth since. I used to work for the FDA, inspecting slaughterhouses. The atrocities that I saw there made me puke at times. Carcasses being hacked open so quickly that feces flowed onto the meat which was later sent on down the line, carelessly rinsed off, and then sent on for processing. Meat also got dropped on the floor where feces and other things flowed. The other inspectors forced me to look the other way. Instead, I quit.
Yes, we have irradiated meat these days. That's irradiated feces to me. I don't eat feces, thank you. I really loved an article I read that said that to avoid food poisoning, use a dishwasher because it sterilizes the dishes and any food on them. That doesn't help you avoid contaminated meat and other foods, like eats and vegetables. It is time that the industry cleans up its act and starts to take care in the production of American's food.
Now for a story with a happy ending:
I am an RN. I was working on a med-surg unit and had a patient that was admitted with high blood pressure. During his stay, he found out that he had obstructive sleep apnea, fatty liver disease, gastric reflux (which can lead to esophageal cancer), and diabetes. He was young, around 28 years of age, and had three small children. He was told by the ER physician to write his will while in the hospital because his blood pressure was spiking over 200 systolic and 100 diastolic.
I sat with him one evening because he was despondent. The social worker had come and given him information about wills and advanced directives. He had pretty much given up. He said to me that he was sad to leave his three children fatherless and really wished that he could do things over again. I said to him that the problem was all here and patted my stomach. "What do you mean?" he asked. "The problem is all here." I patted my stomach again. He still looked confused and so I repeated my statement, but patted his stomach instead.
"You mean that if I lose all this weight I will possibly live?" he asked. I told him that many health issues are caused by the extra weight that we carry and the lack of exercise. Diabetes and heart issues have been very well linked to obesity. With all the fat in the abdomen, pressure is pushed up on the diaphragm, leading to gastric reflux and obstructive sleep apnea. He was discharged the next morning so I didn't get to say goodbye. I could only hope that he did well.
About one year later, this man came on the floor with his wife and three children in tow. His wife was noticeably pregnant. He had a dozen roses in his hand. I didn't recognize him and walked on by. He called out my name and I immediately recognized the voice. I turned and was totally blown away by how he looked. He was buffed and you could tell that he was a healthy 29 or 30 year old man. They all thanked me, even the children, for helping their dad see that he needed to lose weight in order to live. All his health issues had resolved.
As a nurse, I have seen many people with so many problems from being obese. It is so sad when you have a 16 year old patient who is over 500 pounds and can barely move from bed because of the weight. I have seen many of these same patients order in chicken wings, pizza loaded with meat, etc. or have family members bring in double cheeseburgers, KFC, or other food.
Most people on this site have weight issues. You need to ask yourself what role eating meat played in making you overweight/obese. Many Americans don't have a clue about what one serving of meat looks like which leads to the overconsumption of meat.
If you do not look at the way you used to eat and just continue to eat the same way with only changing the amount of food ingested, you have a good chance of gaining back the weight once you are done dieting. If you dramatically change the way that you live, your whole lifestyle, including cutting out certain things in your diet, such as red meat, sugar, and fats, you have a better chance of losing the weight and keeping it off.
I am not putting meat-eaters down here. I am still eating meat, mostly wild caught fish. Never beef. Very occasionally chicken. But I plan to go back to being a vegetarian. I used to weight 294 pounds and went on a vegetarian diet. I lost over 100 pounds. Unfortunately, I lapsed and went back to eating meat, gaining about 25 pounds. That is what meat does to me.
The added bonus is that my cholesterol labs were very, very good. High HDL, low LDL, very low VLDL, and my triglycerides...well, my doctor said he never had seen lower levels. All because of being vegetarian. I can't wait to get back to vegetarian. Actually, why am I waiting. I think I will start today!
"Most people on this site have weight issues. You need to ask yourself what role eating meat played in making you overweight/obese. Many Americans don't have a clue about what one serving of meat looks like which leads to the overconsumption of meat. "
Meat isn't the problem, its the over indulgence of it and overeating. Ive been getting my health back in shape and I'm not vegan or vegetarian. As the saying goes, moderation is the key.0 -
This moronic argument continues through time...lets go to religion next.
I'm so sick of hearing these bessie huggers whine about eating meat.
Using the Dukan diet, I've lost over 40 Lbs. I feel great, and added a few more years to my life to be with my kids.
In case you're unaware, Dukan is all about proteins..lean meats mostly.
Lean beef, turkey, chicken and fish.
Man, animals fish & birds have been eating meat since they could swallow. I don't eat dessert, but I would if it was made of meat. My love of meat has helped me live longer (I type as I have my extra lean broiled beef).0 -
Eating meat and being a vegetarian or vegan are simply down to choice. No we don't have to eat meat but people simply do because it does taste good. I'm a vegan and I do love the taste of chicken and lamb but due to research on the meat industry I have chosen not to give my money to them. We were made to be able to eat both meat and plants, I really don'y understand how people can say that we are herbivores if we have the ability to eat meat.0
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If God didn't want you to eat meat, he wouldn't have made it so dang tasty.
(Just kiddin'...well, kinda)
"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ..."
Romans 14:1-23 ESV
"and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats" <---- this.
He says we can eat whatever we want
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Mmm, this burger tastes so good
You only live once, enjoy your life & your food.
We're omnivores anyway, it's natural for humans to eat meat, that's how the food chain works.
LOOOOOOOOOOL love that gif!0 -
You STILL aren't answering my question. :grumble:
Ignored my post too.
Not surprising.
I have a sneaking suspicion his expansive knowledge expands only to vegetarianism and a poor understanding of dentition. :yawn:0 -
No, they don't HAVE to, but they SHOULD!! Favorite quote regarding this subject:
"You would agree by-and-large that all vegetarians are communists, wouldn't you?"
-Denny Crane, *Boston Legal*
Man up. Eat meat!0 -
ORDER IN THE COURT!God wants us to eat animals.
Tis the will of thy creator.....:drinker:
I can easily prove this.
Answer for yourself:
IF GOD DID NOT WANT US EATING ANIMALS, WHY DID HE MAKE THEM OUT OF MEAT?
Case closed....
I'm sorry, MaximalLife. You make me laugh a lot on these boards, but this 'if God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat' is an old bromide to any vegetarian of even short duration.
I appreciate the attempt at humor, but I can't award originality points to you this time.
But I love eating meat. Case closed....AGAIN!
How many times must I rule on this?
I am wearing out my gavel!
Don't make me find you to be in contempt:laugh:
If you do, I'll make sure we have either lamb or veal for dinner tonight.
Something cute.....0 -
If humans weren't supposed to eat meat, then why do we have those pesky incisor teeth. They are for ripping and tearing....meat. And yes, most eastern cultures survive on non meat diets......and they are 5'2" and way 100 pounds. They don't eat meat because they can't affort it, not because it's a choice. Let's go stand in some communist chinese families house. You can hand them a bowl of rice and some broccoli and tell them how awesome their non meat diet is. I'll be sitting in the corner not saying a word with a four 18 oz Ribeyes. I'm willing to bet they will beat you silly with a bottle of soy sauce and join me for a real dinner.
Gee, here is a photo of a carnivore. I assume that next to your post, that is your picture. You know something, your teeth do not look the same. Here is some advice for you:
Stalk a big, feisty watermelon, as big as you can find. Jump it, and bring it down. Go for the soft underbelly or the genitals. Then when it is on the ground break its neck. Then dig into the juicy red meat.
Awaiting your report.
We have teeth of an omnivore is why, our teeth are made to chew into meat (and our physiology to break down meat) and plant material to a lesser extent. Our teeth are closer though to carnivores then it is to herbivores if you match it up side by side. But we are neither.0 -
Didn't get fat eating meat, pasta, drinking milk, etc. For me, it was mostly chocolate cake. And similar items.
I've cut a lot of it out, but not all. I still eat red meat occasionally, chicken, fish, eggs, drink milk, etc. Lost 31 lbs as of today.
I'm aware of the food police, and to them, I say back off. Back off from trying to dictate who can drink soda, who can eat meat, basically unless you're my mother and I'm an infant (you're not, and I'm not not).0 -
I am a vegetarian that happens to disagree with you. People are made to eat meat, they're omnivores.
Factory farming and CAFOs? THAT'S another story...
Why must vegetarians/ vegans be so preachy?
Thank you! when I turned vegan and told my friends they automatically started telling me that I can't force them to change or that I shouldn't tell them how to live their lives even when I didn't even say anything to begin with. We have such a bad image :P0 -
Also, Vegesaurus, you haven't addressed the issue of why we express genes for BCAAT, BCKAD, peptidases, etc.
Are you talking about degading amino acids in the liver? If so, I don't get your point. But then, you haven't made a point yet. You seem to thing you are worthy of admiration because you are a 3/4 Ph.D.. I would think that by now you wouild learn to communicate. Why don't you state the thesis you want us to believe and then give us cites to a study, preferably a controlled cohort study, that proves whatever you are claiming. Until you do that, I really cannot respond to you since I have no idea what it is you are saying.0
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