Misinformation.

xosmsox

Can I add one? A pound is a pound is a pound. A pound of feathers weighs the same as a pound if bricks! Muscle does not weigh more than fat!!!

vger11

"There's a very small list of things that are necessary to lose weight.
There's a very large list of things that are personal preference for losing weight. (In this list I include medical reasons, moral reasons, individual intolerances).


Both of these are important, but focus on the necessities first and customize the personal preference aspects to give you the best adherence or most enjoyment possible out of your journey."



AGREE

Consult your physician is the only thing I would add

LeanerBeef

OP = wise man. Well said.....

LabRat529

Sidesteal,

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are exactly right. Good heavens, I wish all the misinformation would die forever. Do you know how many of my years I wasted obsessing over things that just didn't matter? And how many of my friends/family I've watched going diet after diet after diet and FAILING again and again because they buy into one myth after another and make themselves miserable? Nobody is going to succeed on a diet if they are miserable.

Scott613

Thanks for the post. I'm never eating pb&j sandwiches again!

Martucha123

thanks for taking time to write this

SimplyShanRunning

I had no idea!!! I guess Ill have to give up my lovely PB&J :grumble:

IronmanPanda

Well said.

1shauna1

I didn't read every reply....but posting on an open forum like this, you are going to get all sorts of answers and opinions. You should probably take them all with a grain of salt as most of us aren't doctors/nurses/in the medical field.

treetop57

Thanks, Sidesteal. You are so right. I'm eating nothing but PB&J from now on.

[That was your point, right?]

myak623

Great post. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

nixirain

Does anyone else find it hilarious that the OP had no concern about his personal health or in no way asking for advice and people are still posting their arguements.

Well, I do.

At least the OP is smart enough to know that it was just a rant and nothing will change, ever. lol

Sidesteal

"As long as muscle and liver glycogen stores are not completely filled, the body is able to store or burn off excess dietary carbohydrates. Of course this process occurs at the expense of limiting fat burning, meaning that any dietary fat which is
ingested with a high carbohydrate intake is stored as fat."-Lyle Mcdonald (page 22 out of The Ketogenic diet).

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html

Specifically in the commentary section:

Lars on March 27th, 2010 4:03 pm

Does this mean it might be optimal for preventing fat storage to never eat fat and carbs in the same meal?

For example,

meal 1:
fat and protein

meal 2:
carbs and protein

..?
lylemcd on March 27th, 2010 7:00 pm

Lars: Same answer as I gave to Aled that is about 2 comments above yours but you couldn’t be bothered to read. No no, a million times no. Food combining is voodoo bull****.

committomittxoxo

I actually had the following thread titles ready to go:

"It's not about calories, it's about clean eating"

and

"I have massive breasts and I cannot jog"


But I thought I'd make one more attempt at a legit title. Next time it's on.

Lol. I wish you would have kept the large breasts title.... Live and learn.

ishallnotwant

YES! Does this mean i'm allowed to eat white carbs while riding my unicorn again??

cfred40

Props to the OP. This should be a MFP newbie must read. Disputing incorrect/invalid information (no matter if made with good intentions) is NOT THE SAME AS BEING NEGATIVE OR HATING. People really need to open up their minds to new ideas, not just the same old recycled status quo. (People used to believe the world was flat too). Knowledge is Power. Enrich yourself.

Crystal_Pistol

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!!!

AbiNichole

Loves it. :flowerforyou:

David1178

Good post!

Di3012

I'd like to talk about something.

Often times on the forums, we'll see someone post what looks like a helpful post full of dieting information. If the information is faulty, some people will reply with the intent to correct it in the hopes that too many people don't buy into the bad information.

Then a bunch of people will get upset with the guy or gal who is trying to correct the person, saying "Stop hating" or "Stop being so negative!". (Sometimes people do post rude replies but it seems like any disagreement is arbitrarily viewed as negative as of late).

Misinformation is bad.

I will give you a few examples to attempt to explain why:

Let's look at meal frequency, which would fall into the personal preference category. Does meal frequency matter?

It might matter for behavioral reasons and it might matter for performance reasons and if it leads to better gym performance it could minimally effect expenditure. But it DOES NOT effect metabolism and if someone says this gem:

"It's very important to eat every 3 hours so that your metabolism keeps burning. If you skip a meal your metabolism will slow down and your body will actually STORE FAT. So please make sure to eat every 3 hours". (<--- this claim is entirely false)

...this is problematic because people who DON'T currently eat frequently might think "Crap, I'm doing it wrong. I'm going to have to fix this". Now they're going to reschedule what could be an eating pattern that works very well for them based on the bad information that increasing their frequency will increase metabolic rate. Additionally, they'll have to eat smaller meals (because they would obviously keep kcals/macros constant) which would probably have a negative effect on adherence/satiety.

Is eating frequently arbitrarily bad? No. It's personal preference. But convincing someone that it's metabolically relevant is BAD, because this convinces them that they must follow this advice.

Lets look at a different example from a recent thread:

"You shouldn't combine carbs and fats in the same meal because it will cause your body to store fat!"

This was recently posted in a topic and not only is it completely bogus and not supported by anything, but the end result was (literally) that someone replied with:

"Thanks so much for this, I'm going to stop eating PB+J sandwiches".

So someone comes on here and posts something completely false and out of fear, another person eliminates something they enjoy from their diet. Now, for all we know someone else is reading that post and not replying, because they're in the kitchen stressed out over how they're going to re-arrange every meal in their day so that the carb sources aren't ever eaten with fat.


This is not a good thing.

There's a very small list of things that are necessary to lose weight.
There's a very large list of things that are personal preference for losing weight. (In this list I include medical reasons, moral reasons, individual intolerances).


Both of these are important, but focus on the necessities first and customize the personal preference aspects to give you the best adherence or most enjoyment possible out of your journey.


And don't confuse the two for yourself or others.

/end rant.

Such a good posting!! :flowerforyou:

meli_medina

A thread worth reading AND replying to. You, sir, are the bee's knees.

One day I hope to meet you and Crystal and the three of us will go to a buffet.

Belly up!!! Just get me a bib and I'll be good. Hah!

Rae6503

Excellent! I wish more people would understand that correcting "misinformation" is NOT a personal attack.

DaveMXF

Great title, there is plenty of misunderstood misinformation in this whole thred.
My .02

Sidesteal

Great title, there is plenty of misunderstood misinformation in this whole thred.
My .02

You are welcome to point it if you would like.

SergeantSunshine_reused

Sidesteal you were my MFP hero! Such a true post.

And I want to be invited to the buffet. Lol

I1ahunt

This is maybe the most insightful, accurate thread I have read in the short time I have been here.....the only addition I would make to what you have said, is that what works for one does not necessarily work for all...listen to YOUR body, YOUR doctor and YOUR PT.....there are way to many self appointed experts spouting half truths and tendencies as if they were some sort of health gospel.

peaceinside

Love your "Rant" great reminder to some and keeping perspective for all!
Peace! :flowerforyou:

aippolito1

Agreed! If what you're doing works for you, keep doing it. Once it stops working (if it stops working), THEN readjust.

mrh1227

I agree that everybody should take every bit of information with a grain of salt, but not necessarily because something might be misinformation. What people forget is that we are all unique, and that there is no one universal rule for fitness and dieting. Part of the journey is to figure out what personal preferences work for you. There is so much research out there that people will be able find articles and posts that support their argument and ground someone else's argument. But in the end, it all comes down to one thing:

FIND OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. There are so many factors out there that you may not be thinking of that may make a particular method work better or worse for you than someone else. Someone else's personal preference won't always match yours. I'll tell you right now that I am someone who eats every 2-3 hours. This is my personal preference based on my schedule and regular eating patterns (when I was out of shape I found myself eating very often anyway, so its a comfortable habit for me). So when you get new advice, ask for more information about it, make sure the person understands the information themselves, and research how it affects people similar in goals and structure to you. Better yet, go see a doctor and have him give you more specifics and recommendations so you can get the right strategy. Once you have all this information, FIND OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU.

MotorCityFemmeFatale

Sidesteal as well as several other people whom are in agreement, are some of my favorite friends as well as being vastly informed individuals. Sidesteal, well done on taking the time to post.