This is horrifying...
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Now we'll never know why the chicken crossed the road.0
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It's easy to cry out against the plight of the chickens and pledge to eat vegetarian or only well-treated, happy, free-range chickens. At least, it is when you're living in the first world and can afford to make that decision. If it was our babies who were starving or malnourished because we don't have the money or resources for an organic diet, our tune would change.
People have always been resistant to scientifically-induced change. The reality is, we have a lot of people on this planet, and we just can't live the way we did 100 years ago. We can't raise our own chickens, pigs and cows because we've been urbanized. We can't universally farm organic because it takes fertile space that just isn't available. It's all well and dandy to make efforts to buy organic, but that is a privilege reserved for the wealthy few. It's unfair for that few to make the decisions for the whole world.
I am no where near wealthy and I am able to source and spend way less money on buying organic, farm raised foods. It can be done and done cheaper and more easily.
My husband have cut more than half off our grocery bill by going through local farms, farmers markets and getting an organic CSA membership.0 -
It's easy to cry out against the plight of the chickens and pledge to eat vegetarian or only well-treated, happy, free-range chickens. At least, it is when you're living in the first world and can afford to make that decision. If it was our babies who were starving or malnourished because we don't have the money or resources for an organic diet, our tune would change
You're making an assumption that brainless chickens, or lab meat would get to 3rd world starving countries. First world countries already over produce food and yet other people are still starving. Producing more or more efficiently will not feed those people.0 -
Having come from a family of 7 kids and given birth to six myself (which we are EASILY able to take care of) I resent what you are saying. We do not need to limit the population like the Chinese what they do is disgusting and wrong. I take care of a girl sometimes that was from China (as well as her sister) both were left do die (one in a dumpster and she STILL remembers it she was very young and is now a preteen) JUST TRY TO LIMIT CHILDREN you will cause a lot more harm than help
now about the article. I think this is sick hence why i have my own chickens.. however I have been known to buy meat and will continue to do that when I need it. I have canine teeth and I will use them. God gave me them for a reason and no I don't believe that I came from an Ape so ya0 -
It's easy to cry out against the plight of the chickens and pledge to eat vegetarian or only well-treated, happy, free-range chickens. At least, it is when you're living in the first world and can afford to make that decision. If it was our babies who were starving or malnourished because we don't have the money or resources for an organic diet, our tune would change.
People have always been resistant to scientifically-induced change. The reality is, we have a lot of people on this planet, and we just can't live the way we did 100 years ago. We can't raise our own chickens, pigs and cows because we've been urbanized. We can't universally farm organic because it takes fertile space that just isn't available. It's all well and dandy to make efforts to buy organic, but that is a privilege reserved for the wealthy few. It's unfair for that few to make the decisions for the whole world.
I am no where near wealthy and I am able to source and spend way less money on buying organic, farm raised foods. It can be done and done cheaper and more easily.
My husband have cut more than half off our grocery bill by going through local farms, farmers markets and getting an organic CSA membership.
You're wealthy in a global sense. Just by living in the western world we're all wealthy in comparison. We're not talking about just the population in North America and Europe. We're talking about the over 1 billion people that are underfed in the world.0 -
First, I'm not anti-vegan. But, what if the whole world's population decided to go vegan? Would there be enough space to raise veggies for 100% of the world's food? How much space *would* be required? Something to think about. Would we have to kill off all the cows and other animals we use for food, directly or indirectly?
It takes maybe an acre to raise a cow, right? That will give you several hundred pounds of meat (protein and fat) and nothing else (vitamins, minerals, carbs). You could feed a family of four by farming that same area and provide a balanced diet. Raising animals for food is less efficient, not more efficient (I'm not a vegetarian, btw). The most efficient way would be to raise the animals for the other things they can give us (milk, eggs, wool, etc.) and then eat them when their useful life is over. That, and goats can be raised on areas that aren't good for farming.
I'd also like to add, if we wern't eating meat, we wouldn't be breeding animals at such a high rate. We wouldn't need to slaughter loads of them.
maybe people should stop breeding at such a high rate? just sayin
True. But would it fully support the demand if we did that? I dunno, although it might work. All the quotes are starting to make my head hurt! And this discussion's gone a bit off course from the OP's orignal post I guess0 -
There's been rumours for YEARS that a certain fast food chain already 'grow' headless chickens.
Colonel.....that's the only hint I can really give without breaking forum rules I think.0 -
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Exactly. If God did not intend for us to eat animals, he would not have made them out of meat! :-P
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:laugh: THIS!!!!!0 -
This is disgusting, that is what it is.
I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.
Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.
GROSS
Do you drink milk? Milk from cloned milk cows was approved by the FDA on January 8, 2008. Many of the large dairy farms have numerous "genetic twins, triplets, quads, quints, etc." (and many more) producing for them.0 -
Thanks for the post: I hope people can over come the yuck factor, how sustainable is free range? Their are trade off, we have no interest in seeing chickens suffer, even a free range chicken will have their life cut short because we kill them in their prime. A chicken without a mind has no life to loss. Right? Now vegans and vegetarians can all take the moral high ground, because it is fare fare better not to raise meat at all, we could defiantly feed more people if we did. However, The real problem with feeding the world now is not producing but distributions, and the politics around the world. Even by eating less in theory we are help produce more food for those that need it, but this dose not translate as we would hope. It is good to talk about it, and as a rule I what ask you to eat anything I would not. I will eat the headless chicken and any healthy GM food. I love chicken meat, I am addicted.0
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Interesting. People would prefer to eat an animal that feels pain than one that feels nothing.0
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It's easy to cry out against the plight of the chickens and pledge to eat vegetarian or only well-treated, happy, free-range chickens. At least, it is when you're living in the first world and can afford to make that decision. If it was our babies who were starving or malnourished because we don't have the money or resources for an organic diet, our tune would change.
People have always been resistant to scientifically-induced change. The reality is, we have a lot of people on this planet, and we just can't live the way we did 100 years ago. We can't raise our own chickens, pigs and cows because we've been urbanized. We can't universally farm organic because it takes fertile space that just isn't available. It's all well and dandy to make efforts to buy organic, but that is a privilege reserved for the wealthy few. It's unfair for that few to make the decisions for the whole world.
I am no where near wealthy and I am able to source and spend way less money on buying organic, farm raised foods. It can be done and done cheaper and more easily.
My husband have cut more than half off our grocery bill by going through local farms, farmers markets and getting an organic CSA membership.
You're wealthy in a global sense. Just by living in the western world we're all wealthy in comparison. We're not talking about just the population in North America and Europe. We're talking about the over 1 billion people that are underfed in the world.
Some people can't quite grasp what "poor" means to many people around the world. The difference between "poor" in the US and "poor" in a place like Haiti and many other countries is so vastly different it would make many heads spin.0 -
To get back to the OPs original point (sorta); chickens are already raised in inhumane conditions. Have you ever been in a commercial poultry "barn"? The first thing that happens when you open the door is; you are almost immobilized by a waft of ammonia. It burns your throat, nose and eyes and will knock most people back out the door. People who work in these barns almost always use "gas masks". You have to scoot your feet along the floor to avoid stepping on a chicken. The floor is covered with excrement and you have to be careful you don't trip on it's lumpy consistency. These chickens are raised this way for about 2 months, then slaughtered. The barns are cleaned and re-supplied with a new batch of chicks. The reason I know this is because when in high school, a friend of mine had a summer job of feeding the chickens on a small poultry farm. I lasted less than a minute after entering one of the barns. It was absolutely awful! :sick:0
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The article makes me more determined to raise and produce my own food. I have a garden and chickens. Before the end of this year, I am determined to add another garden, plus milk/meat goats and meat rabbits. A vegetarian diet isn't a good solution when the grains/vegetables are so often genetically modified organisms (GMO).
I'm not worried about population growth, although I believe responsible people don't conceive before they have a good plan to care for a child. Unfortunately, there are a lot of irresponsible people. Still, every child is God-given. I worry about a society with little concern for the lives of unborn children.
God has promised to take His followers out before things get too unbearable on this earth. I don't know when that will be, but it will happen, as He said. These are scary, but exciting times. Until the end, let's work hard, love God and our neighbors, and always try to do the right thing as the Spirit of God leads us. God bless you all!0 -
This is disgusting, that is what it is.
I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.
Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.
GROSS
Do you drink milk? Milk from cloned milk cows was approved by the FDA on January 8, 2008. Many of the large dairy farms have numerous "genetic twins, triplets, quads, quints, etc." (and many more) producing for them.
Completely off topic from the OP's post, but I think it's really weird that people drink milk (I don't drink it, don't like it). We are the only species on EARTH that drink's another animal's milk. Milk is meant for nursing young...why are we drinking it from a cow? We're not baby cows...
But dammit I do love cheese. I try to shop only organic and eat cheese sparingly, but it's delicious.0 -
This is disgusting, that is what it is.
I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.
Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.
GROSS
Do you drink milk? Milk from cloned milk cows was approved by the FDA on January 8, 2008. Many of the large dairy farms have numerous "genetic twins, triplets, quads, quints, etc." (and many more) producing for them.
Completely off topic from the OP's post, but I think it's really weird that people drink milk (I don't drink it, don't like it). We are the only species on EARTH that drink's another animal's milk. Milk is meant for nursing young...why are we drinking it from a cow? We're not baby cows...
But dammit I do love cheese. I try to shop only organic and eat cheese sparingly, but it's delicious.
There is a very long list of things humans do that no other species does. If we start living out lives based on that, well, you wouldn't be on this message board right now, would you?0 -
it's interesting how we can't give the world enough food to eat meanwhile billions are trying to loose weight, they've developed a surgical technic to reduce weight for millions that are morbidly obese, and there are TV programs like "my 600 lb life" or "the biggest loser" highlighting a health crisis in many parts of the world.
IMHO; it boils down to more production = more money. doesn't matter if the meat is rotting on a shelf or being consumed by humans who need to consume less. we are excessively buying and using it, and someone is getting rich off it.
where I live; As long as I have money, there is food to be had by the tons. if a person can't earn the money, there are food banks and government checks to supplement.
Why doesn't this excess in food go where it's needed? it's not profitable.0 -
6 billion, 7 billion, 8 billion, it doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that huge population requires protein and yes the best protein comes from meat. It took millions of evolution that involved us being primarily meat eaters. Show me one study stating that "vegetarian diets (if properly done) are overall healthier than one that incorporates meat."
nonsense...
this is why i'm a vegetarian.. facts are, we dont feed 6billion (the number is closer to 7billion btw) people of the world. nearly 15% of the population is considered starving. i am not sure how many are considered mal nourished..there is a difference. many people in the US are malnourished yet overweight. facts are, animal farms, feed lots etc contribute to much of our pollution, clear cutting forests, erosion problems, poor soil quality. Facts are, a vegetarian diet is more sustainable for populations as well as the Earth. humans dont NEED meat to survive. in fact, vegetarian diets (if properly done) are overall healthier than one that incorporates meat.
I will wait.
Watch the documentary "Forks over Knives". Tons of studies in there that show eating a vegan (Or vegetarian with very very low dairy) diet is much healthier.
I'll Wait...0 -
algae protein is considered a better protein than meat and highly sustainable. photobioreactors can be built to produce plently of algae on bodies of water.6 billion, 7 billion, 8 billion, it doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that huge population requires protein and yes the best protein comes from meat.0 -
I have never been a strong opponent of GM food, but this makes me reconsider. What would the long term effects to this strain of chicken be, not only to the chickens themselves, but also to the predators health and environment. I say predator because we aren't the only ones who eat these chickens. Our pets and pests also eat them.
Morally, I can't find too much wrong with Mr. Fords deductions, even if it doesn't "feel" right to me. The demand for chicken is extremely high with no sign of changing. If this can be done, them it would be more moral than our current system. Perhaps more hygienic during production.
A few concerns I would have are cost, viability, and the long term effects to the predators.0 -
so we should just torture animals as long as we are kept fed. no wonder there are so many cases of animal cruelty on farms.
How else are you going to feed a population of 6 billion and counting?But more horrifying than the current situation?
You decide...
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution0 -
it's interesting how we can't give the world enough food to eat meanwhile billions are trying to loose weight, they've developed a surgical technic to reduce weight for millions that are morbidly obese, and there are TV programs like "my 600 lb life" or "the biggest loser" highlighting a health crisis in many parts of the world.
IMHO; it boils down to more production = more money. doesn't matter if the meat is rotting on a shelf or being consumed by humans who need to consume less. we are excessively buying and using it, and someone is getting rich off it.
where I live; As long as I have money, there is food to be had by the tons. if a person can't earn the money, there are food banks and government checks to supplement.
Why doesn't this excess in food go where it's needed? it's not profitable.
Also, this is 100% accurate.0 -
I.Love.Meat (& Milk)!
For those of you who think we are awful because we have food go to waste when others around the world are starving...talk to foreign governments. Doesn't matter how much supply there is, starving people are easier to control which is why many foreign governments refuse to allow other countries to help feed their people.0 -
Very horrifying. It reminds me of that Atwood book, "Oryx & Crake". :sick: :noway:0
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I think the solution would be to eat poor people.
I believe this because-
1. There are so many of them.
2. They don't contribute to society.
3. Most of them are very stupid, and/or ugly.
4. They are made from meat.0 -
6 billion, 7 billion, 8 billion, it doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that huge population requires protein and yes the best protein comes from meat. It took millions of evolution that involved us being primarily meat eaters. Show me one study stating that "vegetarian diets (if properly done) are overall healthier than one that incorporates meat."
nonsense...
this is why i'm a vegetarian.. facts are, we dont feed 6billion (the number is closer to 7billion btw) people of the world. nearly 15% of the population is considered starving. i am not sure how many are considered mal nourished..there is a difference. many people in the US are malnourished yet overweight. facts are, animal farms, feed lots etc contribute to much of our pollution, clear cutting forests, erosion problems, poor soil quality. Facts are, a vegetarian diet is more sustainable for populations as well as the Earth. humans dont NEED meat to survive. in fact, vegetarian diets (if properly done) are overall healthier than one that incorporates meat.
I will wait.
Watch the documentary "Forks over Knives". Tons of studies in there that show eating a vegan (Or vegetarian with very very low dairy) diet is much healthier.
I'll Wait...
Forks over Knives is nothing but propaganda and scare tactics. Pssshhhhh, puleazeeeee.0 -
Now we'll never know why the chicken crossed the road.
Because the electricity went out and they didn't want to spoil?0 -
How else are you going to feed a population of 6 billion and counting?But more horrifying than the current situation?
You decide...
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution
Vegetables, grains, and legumes. Produce much more per acre and cost far less.0 -
This is disgusting, that is what it is.
I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.
Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.
GROSS
Do you drink milk? Milk from cloned milk cows was approved by the FDA on January 8, 2008. Many of the large dairy farms have numerous "genetic twins, triplets, quads, quints, etc." (and many more) producing for them.
No, I don't drink milk and if I use cream or butter I buy it straight from local Amish people who live in my area. Raw dairy, straight from GRASS fed cows.0 -
I think the solution would be to eat poor people.
I believe this because-
1. There are so many of them.
2. They don't contribute to society.
3. Most of them are very stupid, and/or ugly.
4. They are made from meat.
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!! :laugh:0
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