This is horrifying...
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i'm glad i raise my own chickens :-) it's super easy to raise 25 organic broilers at a time, and end up with 52 chickens in a deep freezer for a years worth, only takes about 20 weeks. not to mention fresh organic eggs daily from layers!0
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Honestly, I almost cried when I saw the picture of the brainless chickens. I think I prefer to occasionally eat an expensive, well treated chicken then to eat something like that. Just seems more natural and my gut reaction. I have been vegetarian off and on again, but now only eat poultry occasionally. The last cold I had while a vegetarian was a month long... I haven't been that sick since I lived in my parents house, who were 3 pack a day smokers.
Anyway, here's another interesting link. I wonder how many people will think more deeply about where their meat comes from when this stuff hits the market: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat
If you didn't realize those are fake chicken in the pictures, I think you have some serious things to worry about other than the source of the human population's meat.0 -
B12 is a bacteria. It is in meat because cattle live in dirt, eat dirt, sleep in dirt. And yet - all the antibiotics they are now on kills the B12
Like the song goes... B - O - L - O - G - N - A
The only antibiotic that will affect B12 is tetracycline. Tetracycline inhibits the absorption of B12. B12 is a water soluble vitamin, not a bacteria.0 -
This is disgusting, that is what it is.
I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.
Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.
GROSS
I'm not sure about cloning anything for any reason, but certainly cloned beef wouldn't be gross. All they do is use the DNA of a nice fat steer and use it to make several "copies" of that nice fat steer. Sorta like twins.. or as many copies as you want. Then they do AI on a cow who surrogates the fetus. That makes it sound pretty simple, but it's close.0 -
How is it horrifying if these 'animals' have no sensory part to their brain? If they feel no pain, why would this be considered inhumane?
Sure, and if this works... let's put some humans on the line too. We could use them for surrogates for our babies and we could all have beautiful bodies! And then we could put some cows on there so they wouldn't have to graze the pastures. And then..... there's a moral boundary here somewhere.
Moral according to who? Also, a human brain is much more complex than a cow's or a chicken's. Not to mention there's already a large percentage of the population that's starving. Making a surrogate to have even more offspring seems counterproductive to what the goal of the original "headless chicken" experiment is.
Everything is greed and appearances. I'm not saying MORE humans. I'm saying women wouldn't have to take time off to have a baby or, in some cases, wreck the appearance of their body. And if someone actually came up with that technology, they would get rich. And.. what difference is it how complicated a brain is.. if it is removed? Just throwing in my 2 cents. Most people who are not psychopaths have a moral boundary.. somewhere.
DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WRECK THE APPEARANCE OF THEIR BODY?! Seriously, thats ridiculous. I would vouch to have my own children and look like snaggle toothed wretch afterwards. A new route for cosmetology... don't screw up your body, just have this lab rat partial person have your baby for you! WOOT!0 -
I cant decide how i feel about this. Horrible things are done to these chickens in the first place every day and they can feel every bit of it. The scientist is trying to do good for the chickens by making them incapable of feeling or knowing what is going on around them, but what if this doesn't really work? What if they believe that the chickens cant think or feel but they really are? Imagine being in a coma but hearing and feeling everything around you. It would be horrible if done wrong and no one knows who or what feels what they feel except that one being who is feeling it. We will never get to the point where the entire human population is vegetarian, there will always be inhumane things happening to millions and millions of animals around the world. Could this be a good thing for the chickens? Or a horrible gruesome act carried out by us because we "can" and we are "smarter"?? The world will keep turning and millions will keep eating meat either way. I think this has made me officially done with it though. I personally don't want to be a part of any of it and will probably save a few of these chickens because of it. Or at least ill think that way. Or maybe the amount of chickens I wont be eating will be given to someone hungry
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One time, a chicken bit me. These new chickens will never do that. I like them.
HA HA HA HA! Hey, they're not suffering. Humans already consume a bunch of crap that doesn't make sense - drinking cow's milk? If you really think about it, that's actually pretty gross, but it doesn't stop me from eating my Corn Flakes in the AM. Unfertilized chicken eggs? Yuck! But hey, I like 'em scrambled. Chickens growing on a mass of tubes and machinery like headless biomechanical KFC? Pass me a plate! :drinker:0 -
How is it horrifying if these 'animals' have no sensory part to their brain? If they feel no pain, why would this be considered inhumane?
Sure, and if this works... let's put some humans on the line too. We could use them for surrogates for our babies and we could all have beautiful bodies! And then we could put some cows on there so they wouldn't have to graze the pastures. And then..... there's a moral boundary here somewhere.
Moral according to who? Also, a human brain is much more complex than a cow's or a chicken's. Not to mention there's already a large percentage of the population that's starving. Making a surrogate to have even more offspring seems counterproductive to what the goal of the original "headless chicken" experiment is.
Everything is greed and appearances. I'm not saying MORE humans. I'm saying women wouldn't have to take time off to have a baby or, in some cases, wreck the appearance of their body. And if someone actually came up with that technology, they would get rich. And.. what difference is it how complicated a brain is.. if it is removed? Just throwing in my 2 cents. Most people who are not psychopaths have a moral boundary.. somewhere.
DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WRECK THE APPEARANCE OF THEIR BODY?! Seriously, thats ridiculous. I would vouch to have my own children and look like snaggle toothed wretch afterwards. A new route for cosmetology... don't screw up your body, just have this lab rat partial person have your baby for you! WOOT!
Yes, I said "in some cases". My best friend in high school had a baby and it totally stretched her beautiful body so she had worse excess skin than I have ever seen even in some bariatric surgery weight loss cases. It totally changed her personality and personal comfort. Back in those days they did not remove excess skin. The poor girl could hardly wear clothes after that without extreme discomfort. It changed her life. So yes I would say in her case it did. If you were to ask her she would say you bet yer *kitten* it did. I DID NOT say it wrecks everyone's body so calm down.
And... I was speaking facetiously about the whole brainless cultivation of bodies. sheese!0 -
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This makes me frown.0
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B12 is a bacteria. It is in meat because cattle live in dirt, eat dirt, sleep in dirt. And yet - all the antibiotics they are now on kills the B12
Like the song goes... B - O - L - O - G - N - A
The only antibiotic that will affect B12 is tetracycline. Tetracycline inhibits the absorption of B12. B12 is a water soluble vitamin, not a bacteria.
Any antibiotic can cause stomach and/or intestinal damage that inhibits B12 absorption, because it kills off the good bacteria that helps create or absorb B vitamins.0 -
As weird as it is I can't imagine anyone arguing that it's worse than slaughtering the same number of animals.0
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I wondered about that. I looked it up and it seems halal is similar to Jewish kosher, which means humane slaughter and of course certain foods (pork, shellfish, etc.) are forbidden.i refuse to eat at Halal restaurants.
This intrigued me. Could you explain why? I don't know much about Halal practices, I'd be interested to know your reasons why you refuse to eat at such establishments.
That statement makes no sense to me.0 -
We dont NEED families of 7-15 kids, why is it still allowed? i say there should be a limit on offspring, and also stop trying to solve aids in africa and start trying to educate the people to not have multiple babies one after another.
sorry if this is very right wing, but thats just who i am.
People like you frighten me.
And that's not right wing. That's Chinese law and China is leftist.
actually im british, in britain, thats considered a right wing view.
i shouldnt frighten you, i dont intend on breeding, who wants to raise any child in the world we will leave behind when we die?
So the Brits think Communism is right wing, then?
I guess if it's all about control and taking away any kind of free will or liberty, it must be right wing. The Soviet Union, Cuba, China -- all right wing. Who knew???
You frighten me not because YOU don't want children but because you think it's perfectly OK to legislate other people's childbearing.0 -
I wondered about that. I looked it up and it seems halal is similar to Jewish kosher, which means humane slaughter and of course certain foods (pork, shellfish, etc.) are forbidden.i refuse to eat at Halal restaurants.
This intrigued me. Could you explain why? I don't know much about Halal practices, I'd be interested to know your reasons why you refuse to eat at such establishments.
That statement makes no sense to me.
Yes, me too.0 -
This is disgusting, that is what it is.
I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.
Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.
GROSS
Do you drink milk? Milk from cloned milk cows was approved by the FDA on January 8, 2008. Many of the large dairy farms have numerous "genetic twins, triplets, quads, quints, etc." (and many more) producing for them.
Completely off topic from the OP's post, but I think it's really weird that people drink milk (I don't drink it, don't like it). We are the only species on EARTH that drink's another animal's milk. Milk is meant for nursing young...why are we drinking it from a cow? We're not baby cows...
But dammit I do love cheese. I try to shop only organic and eat cheese sparingly, but it's delicious.
There is a very long list of things humans do that no other species does. If we start living out lives based on that, well, you wouldn't be on this message board right now, would you?
Well obviously, but I'm not talking about abilities and problem solving skills humans have as opposed to animals, I just think it's really weird that people drink cow's milk...I mean, we don't drink other people's breast milk...
But it's because of our abilities and problem-solving skills that we do things other animals do not, such as flush our waste products into a sewer rather than squatting and burying in the dirt. It's also why we cook our food. No other species cooks its food. Should we eat all raw food? Also, other animals do not combine different foods into yummy recipes. Maybe we're not supposed to do that, either.
The argument that we shouldn't drink milk because other species don't is ridiculous when put into proper context.
Honestly, I always thought drinking cow's milk was weird too. Who was the person that said "Hey, we should drink that" anyway?
Cat's can be trained to use the toilet and flush so I don't think that is an accurate or even relevant metaphor.
Bee's also make honey by mixing together ingredients. And leaf cutter ants don't eat the leaves they cut, they use it to harvest mold and eat the mold. They also use ingredients for this. Also an inaccurate and irrelevant metaphor.
And on the Cooked food topic, while we are the only species that cooks it's food, we are also the only one that needs to because we store meat. Most veggies don't need to be cooked (some are poisonous if not) but when you cook them all of the live enzymes that are good for you die and you also lose most of the essential vitamins and minerals. So cooking food is ridiculous when put into certain context (I’m sure that’s what you meant besides "proper" context).
I'm not trying to pick on your post in particular but if you are going to call someone ridiculous for believing differently then you should at least use accurate information.
There are a lot of things people eat that anyone could say is "weird." Lobster and crab, to name just two. So maybe people shouldn't eat those, either?
If you don't want to drink milk, don't drink milk. I have never been a milk drinker, though I'll use it in recipes or pour it over cereal. The idea of drinking a glass of milk has always kind of turned my stomach. But so has the idea of eating mushrooms. I mean, that's a FUNGUS!!! Oh no! Everyone stop eating mushrooms because *I* don't like them!!!
That's basically my point. People feel this need to argue and put down things others do because they don't do those things themselves. So what? Is it illegal? Are those people committing some heinous crime by drinking milk? No? 'Cause you'd think that was the case based on the reaction people get about doing so.0 -
6 billion, 7 billion, 8 billion, it doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that huge population requires protein and yes the best protein comes from meat. It took millions of evolution that involved us being primarily meat eaters. Show me one study stating that "vegetarian diets (if properly done) are overall healthier than one that incorporates meat."
nonsense...
this is why i'm a vegetarian.. facts are, we dont feed 6billion (the number is closer to 7billion btw) people of the world. nearly 15% of the population is considered starving. i am not sure how many are considered mal nourished..there is a difference. many people in the US are malnourished yet overweight. facts are, animal farms, feed lots etc contribute to much of our pollution, clear cutting forests, erosion problems, poor soil quality. Facts are, a vegetarian diet is more sustainable for populations as well as the Earth. humans dont NEED meat to survive. in fact, vegetarian diets (if properly done) are overall healthier than one that incorporates meat.
I will wait.
Watch the documentary "Forks over Knives". Tons of studies in there that show eating a vegan (Or vegetarian with very very low dairy) diet is much healthier.
I'll Wait...
Forks over Knives is nothing but propaganda and scare tactics. Pssshhhhh, puleazeeeee.
Right, it’s really scary to be cured of chronic illnesses. And there is a lot of money to be made when people grow their own food. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it provided scientific research and I'm going to choose to go with that then your opinion. Also the response was to someone asking for such a study.
If it scared you then maybe you missed the point. It wasn't to completely eliminate animal products from meals (though that is an option) but just that we as a society eat too much meat and animal protein. Aside from the numerous extensive and detailed studies in that documentary (though biased toward the view of the documentary) there are many other studies that show the benefits of a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle.
Back on the OP's subject, regardless of your diet I think this is horrifying and a gross abomination and abuse of the power we have over animals. This is purely for profit and utterly disgusting.
The whole vegetarian and vegan "lifestyle" / cult is nothing but propaganda and not based on any REAL science at all. Most vegans and vegetarians lie about not eating animal proteins because they are getting sick from the lack of protein and fat.
Forks over knives didn't scare me. I didn't run out and buy a juicer to start the juice cleanse, those are the people it scared.
I have NO reason to be scared. Why your probably thinking?
I eat meats that are humanely raised and slaughtered. These animals live healthy lives with sunshine, fresh air and loads of pasture land to roam. They are not fed any grains and are left to forage for their own food as they would in the wild.
I purchase my produce from a local Coop, farmers markets and a CSA membership.
I make my own personal hygiene and household cleaning supplies. I compost and collect rain water. I am doing my part to live a more sustainable lifestyle.
Again, I will reiterate, if the "vegetarian / vegan" lifestyle were so healthy, then why has there been no previous civilization through time that has lived the vegetarian or vegan lifestyle?0 -
Neat. I think that's fascinating. Yay Science!0
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How else are you going to feed a population of 6 billion and counting?But more horrifying than the current situation?
You decide...
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution
If the world became vegetarian and we consumed the vast amounts of produce consumed by all the livestock, we would have virtually no food shortage crises. energy is wasted converting plants to meat. It's an extremely inefficient way to allocate calories.0 -
I love meat, practically eat chicken everyday, but that's it, this country is going to Hell. why do this to an animal? I promise, I won't get mad if KFC runs out of chicken, just don't do this to an animal.0
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People should eat meat if they want to, and it is even better when it is humanely slaughtered. However, the people saying that vegetarianism can't be healthy are full of crap. You don't NEED meat. You don't NEED dairy. You eat it because you want it and it tastes good. However, there are plenty of ways to supplement the "value" you get from animals proteins.
Look, bacon is my favorite thing. I love ribs, chicken and could cheese all day. But I don't for a minute fool myself into thinking that the BS we eat as Americans is needed. The industrialized food system is disgusting. I've seen Food Inc and Forks over Knives. I was glad to have more information. It didn't turn me vegan or vegetarian.... but it helped me care about what I put into my body.
What people put into their mouths is their business. I won't be eating chickens that are treated like this. Don't pick on vegetarians. They are making better choices than most of us. Maybe we have eaten meat since the Caveman days, but that has way more to do with necessity. Now we have different brains and different choices.0 -
Again, I will reiterate, if the "vegetarian / vegan" lifestyle were so healthy, then why has there been no previous civilization through time that has lived the vegetarian or vegan lifestyle?
How do you know this? Have you lived in every historical civilization? That is quite an interesting claim.0 -
One of my fav saying.
I don't agree with an entirely vegetarian diet being more healthy, we are omnivores, but I do think we consume entirely too much meat in our diets. Cavemen did not eat meat with every meal and neither should we. I am a meat eater but most of my meals are vegetarian and sometimes vegan. Yesterday, for example, I had an entirely meat-free day. This practice allows me to buy free-range chicken even though it is more expensive because I am not eating as much of it.
Completely agree with this. Human beings have been omnivorous since the beginning of human beings. Plenty of animals in the world are carnivorous. Different animals require different food sources. There is nothing better about being an omnivore, vegetarian, vegan, whatever. It's all about personal preference.
Personally I prefer to eat free range chicken and wild game (I'm from Texas, we hunt. Almost always have some kind of wild game in my freezer--thanks step dad!). But certainly not for every meal.
Exactly. If God did not intend for us to eat animals, he would not have made them out of meat! :-P
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We are the only animals that do a lot of things. Like treat cancer, put diapers on babies, cook food, brush our teeth, etc. so the argument that we are the only animals to drink another animals milk just doesn't seem like a good one to me.0
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i refuse to eat at Halal restaurants.
This intrigued me. Could you explain why? I don't know much about Halal practices, I'd be interested to know your reasons why you refuse to eat at such establishments.
i dont eat Halal because im Catholic. is that good enough for you?
im not sure i should feel any need to explain my reasons.0 -
So the Brits think Communism is right wing, then?
I guess if it's all about control and taking away any kind of free will or liberty, it must be right wing. The Soviet Union, Cuba, China -- all right wing. Who knew???
You frighten me not because YOU don't want children but because you think it's perfectly OK to legislate other people's childbearing.
it isnt communist to expect people to take responsibility for their own families drain on resources.
we pay very different taxes here, i pay a huge amount of tax to pay for schools, parks, leisure centres and childrens facilities that i will never use.
i am penalised in that i will not benefit from the year off paid for maternity leave from work.
i am costing the least amount of money to society, no health problems (i dont use the NHS anyway) i donate blood (which is not paid in the UK) no use of schools, paid my own way through university, etc etc yet its fine in the UK for non working families (through choice, they choose never to work) can continue to produce children that MY tax is paying for, alongside the massive drain on public services all whilst claiming the same amount in welfare that i work 70 hour weeks to earn?
i expect people to take responsibility for their own family and the cost of that family to both the earth, the country and the world, they dont. the only way to limit this drain is to restrict family size, people are living longer and using more resources.
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Again, I will reiterate, if the "vegetarian / vegan" lifestyle were so healthy, then why has there been no previous civilization through time that has lived the vegetarian or vegan lifestyle?
How do you know this? Have you lived in every historical civilization? That is quite an interesting claim.
No, but I have researched all historical civilization and there are NONE.
Besides, The term "vegan" wasn't even coined until 1944, so I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a long-lasting vegan civilization!
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There is no civilization in the history of the Earth that has thrived eating as vegan. Veganism is only possible in today's world of "special" ingredients and things made with all sorts of unusual substitutions.
Civilizations throughout history eat what they can get, and they certainly don't complain if they eat honey, or an egg (for heaven's sake).
But if the supermarkets closed and all the vegans went hungry, you can guarantee they'd be eating some animal products.0 -
vegetarian and vegan are not the same thing.
Also, I gotta laugh at your definition of "researched all historical civilization"... = google search and citing yahoo answers for your source. I mean I also doubt there has been a civilization of significant size that was totally vegan, but lol at your methodology here.0 -
Interesting that the premise is on desensitizing the chicken, and not improving the conditions. Like most things done today, a band-aid to a situation, instead of tackling the root cause.
We brought home day-old chicks 10 months ago. It is amazing to see how quickly they can grow. Now I understand how farms can push out a pullet every 6-8 weeks. Each of our girls lays an egg a day and have become my children's pets. While we are not vegetarian, I don't see us butchering them anytime soon. Or ever, for that matter.
Being close to your food source can be a fascinating experience.0
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