Bob Harper was WRONG last night about Soy

SHBoss1673

About Soy.

I can't believe he went on and did a ringing endorsement of soy products. Without once mentioning the possible negative side effects of soy.

Facts about soy.

1) The soy US people eat contains protein that is largely indigestible for humans. Which means something that says it has say 20 g of protein but is largely soy, will not deliver anywhere near that much usable protein.

2) Soy contains isoflavones, which can block the release of iodine, which the thyroid uses for hormone production, which can cause all kinds of issues including, hair loss, skin problems, weight gain, and a whole host of other metabolic issues.

3) The American Heart Association (AHA) which previously endorsed the FDA's addition of Soy in 2000 to the "Heart Healthy" food products for lowering the chance of Coronary Artery Disease, has recently concluded it's own study on soy, and requested the FDA PULL soy from the list. The FDA has, as yet, failed to act on the recommendation by the country's leading expert foundation on the heart.

4) Soy was an industrial by product for a long time, the reason soy is so popular is because somewhere in the 1990s the soy production conglomerates got together and began a campaign to push it's use as a "heart healthy" food, using lobbyists and their own (biased) research to make their case. This is a clear case of big business manipulating the system to the detriment of the general public.

5) Soy is listed among the top 8 most allergic foods in the US.

6) Contrary to popular thought, the Japanese, do NOT eat more soy. They, in fact, use it as a garnish in most cases and eat very small amounts.

7) And scariest for men who are activly trying to have children or gain muscle mass; soy contains high amounts of phytoestrogen, which acts the same way as regular estrogen in the body. This both blocks testosterone production (one of the main hormones used for building muscle), and lowers sperm count among adult males.


I'm a little shocked that Bob would do this. Is he working off old data, or did the Soy conglomerates purchase add time on TBL and Bob sold out? I have been slightly disgusted here and there with TBL for some of their blatent advertising in the show, but I took it as harmless and "mostly true" but this one I can't just stand by and watch, I'm writing the show to complain. I hope you all will too.

SHBoss1673

About Soy.

I can't believe he went on and did a ringing endorsement of soy products. Without once mentioning the possible negative side effects of soy.

Facts about soy.

1) The soy US people eat contains protein that is largely indigestible for humans. Which means something that says it has say 20 g of protein but is largely soy, will not deliver anywhere near that much usable protein.

2) Soy contains isoflavones, which can block the release of iodine, which the thyroid uses for hormone production, which can cause all kinds of issues including, hair loss, skin problems, weight gain, and a whole host of other metabolic issues.

3) The American Heart Association (AHA) which previously endorsed the FDA's addition of Soy in 2000 to the "Heart Healthy" food products for lowering the chance of Coronary Artery Disease, has recently concluded it's own study on soy, and requested the FDA PULL soy from the list. The FDA has, as yet, failed to act on the recommendation by the country's leading expert foundation on the heart.

4) Soy was an industrial by product for a long time, the reason soy is so popular is because somewhere in the 1990s the soy production conglomerates got together and began a campaign to push it's use as a "heart healthy" food, using lobbyists and their own (biased) research to make their case. This is a clear case of big business manipulating the system to the detriment of the general public.

5) Soy is listed among the top 8 most allergic foods in the US.

6) Contrary to popular thought, the Japanese, do NOT eat more soy. They, in fact, use it as a garnish in most cases and eat very small amounts.

7) And scariest for men who are activly trying to have children or gain muscle mass; soy contains high amounts of phytoestrogen, which acts the same way as regular estrogen in the body. This both blocks testosterone production (one of the main hormones used for building muscle), and lowers sperm count among adult males.


I'm a little shocked that Bob would do this. Is he working off old data, or did the Soy conglomerates purchase add time on TBL and Bob sold out? I have been slightly disgusted here and there with TBL for some of their blatent advertising in the show, but I took it as harmless and "mostly true" but this one I can't just stand by and watch, I'm writing the show to complain. I hope you all will too.

Chenoachem

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.


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Zara11

Since when does the FDA give a fig? :laugh:

I've never heard this, though. Are the negative side effects for those who are not allergic very prominent?

arewethereyet

you had me a 'weight gain' :laugh:

RachVR6

Ahahah I yelled at the TV! I do NOT support soy products AT ALL! :laugh:

I've heard it linked to breast cancer too, because of all the excess estrogen.:huh:

slieber

Protein is protein, whether from soy or from meat. The issue is protein, here, not necessarily dairy v. soy. I have the same problem. Add in that I can't have anything with gluten and you can see a very restricted diet, of which soy is a greater part.

What I truly object to, though, is making it personal regarding the information both of these persons have given. While I find information valuable, it's not necessary to attack the person who has provided inaccurate information (probably working from old data). Certainly the info provided by this person was not provided for malicious reasons.

The information provided is quite valuable, but the rant truly is unnecessary, imo.

And on both sides, it is immaterial to people like us, who have no real alternatives when it comes to dairy v. soy. (actually, for us FEMALES, the info on estrogen is quite encouraging! LOL!)

SHBoss1673

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.


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you might want to confirm that you are truely lactose intolerant, or just COW milk intolerant. Many times, the allergy is mis-diagnosed as a lactose intolerance, when in fact, it's the type of protein that cows milk contains that they are truely intolerant of, and other types of milk would be ok. For instance goat's milk.

Besides that, there's no reason to HAVE to have milk, or other dairy. It's a good complete protein source, and good fat and vitamin source, but you can get those vitamins and protein in many other ways.

RachVR6

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.

I've heard almond milk is delicious!

purrrr

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.

Do you really mean you substitute everything with soy? :noway: I recently decided to turn from vegetarian to vegan, I have found so many recipes for cheese, milk, meatballs etc and none of them involve even a pinch of soy (I have read articles about it similar to the one Boss posted)... My suggestion would be type "vegan recipes" in google, life doesn't resolve around soy geez!

SHBoss1673

Protein is protein, whether from soy or from meat. The issue is protein, here, not necessarily dairy v. soy. I have the same problem. Add in that I can't have anything with gluten and you can see a very restricted diet, of which soy is a greater part.

What I truly object to, though, is making it personal regarding the information both of these persons have given. While I find information valuable, it's not necessary to attack the person who has provided inaccurate information (probably working from old data). Certainly the info provided by this person was not provided for malicious reasons.

The information provided is quite valuable, but the rant truly is unnecessary, imo.

And on both sides, it is immaterial to people like us, who have no real alternatives when it comes to dairy v. soy. (actually, for us FEMALES, the info on estrogen is quite encouraging! LOL!)

First, Protein is NOT protein. There are types of protein, including incomplete and complete proteins, or proteins containing all the essential amino acids, and others that need to be combined by eating different foods. I suggest you do some reading up on proteins and the human protein metabolism. Also, the way soy protein is delivered, much of it is bound together by phytic acid and starch, which the body can't break down, much like insoluable fiber, it can't be used by the body and thus passes through us unused. This has been documented in many studies. I can look some up if you like. I have them around. But you can easilly google soy protein and phytic acid and you'll get plenty of study results.

2nd, when you go on public television and display yourself as an expert in nutrition, you open yourself up to public scrutiny, Bob has done this, people take his words for fact on the subject of nutrition, this isn't a personal attack on him as a person, it's a critisism of his methods and facts, and a questioning of his overall knowledge on the subject. I stand by every word of it.

purrrr

I've heard almond milk is delicious!

almond milk is amazing and you can make milk out of pretty much every kind of nuts or mix them for various tastes, you can make your own healthy yoghurt out of each of these milks too, it's a bit time-taking if you do it on your own, or just buy whatever milks they sell

i live in the land of yoghurt and i absolutely loved cheese so if i can give them up everyone can live without them you know i have read about many positive effects from it and believed this is good for me, so far all i can tell is the bad breath i used to get from diary products is gone... i'm pretty sure the calcium from the nut milk now gets to my bones rather than being extracted from them like what actually happens when you get it predominently from dairy

Vanessa1969

You have to take everything with a pinch of salt, even all those 'studies' done by the 'experts'. Every year new information becomes available that makes last years studies suspect.
For every one thing wrong with soy, I could give you twenty things wrong with meat/dairy and yet the meat/dairy industry has been getting away with murder for decades with the marketing of their products. Their propaganda would make the Nazi's proud.
Everything that you put into your mouth has negatives and positives, and everything that you consume should be in moderation - regardless of what it is.
For those who eat a fair amount of soy, you should try and get it organically as much as possible. The top vegetables in the world which are sprayed horribly with pesticides, are corn and soy.

beckyi88

The biggest problem with soy is that it messes with our endocrine system, especially the estrogens. There are even studies coming out tying high soy to increased breast cancer risks.
I was really shocked to hear his endorsement because I just finished Jillian's book with the most recent studies/concerns/risks regarding high soy diet. She really cautions to work with your doctor especially when considering whether to give a baby soy formula.
Just sharing what I have read and heard ~ been hearing these cautions for a couple years now, not just one study so I have chosen for me to avoid it. That's all any of us can do, listen and educate ourselves, decide what is right for ourselves.

GIBride01

Ok, I am going to be the one to jump on the moderation soapbox again. We use soy, my son has a glass of soymilk daily, I have soynuts as snacks now and again. Yes much of what SHBoss posted is true, from a very scientific standpoint. Soy in moderation is fine, and does have some health benefits, particularly if you are looking at it as replacement for some other less nutritionally beneficial products. And for someone who is allergic to milk, and I would suspect someone having had avoided milk all their lives would know the difference between lactose intolerance and a true casien allergy, it is IMO a legitimate product to use in MODERATION, more for vitamins and minerals than protein as soy protein is not well utilized. Alot of the soy studies that kicked soy use into high gear used large amounts of soy on rats, as do many of the studies now debunking it as a wonder food. I have a degree in human nutrition, so I have some basis here, and waiting for one particular food to be the one 'wonderfood' is always going to be a problem. And I have to agree with you SHBOss, that having a personal trainer go on TV as a nutrition expert is not good, espeically when he is no doubt sponsered up the wazoo. Why I always encourage people to take advice with a grain of salt, and do research on thier own before coming to any conclusions. Ok, hopping of my soapbox now..whew..

Chenoachem

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.


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you might want to confirm that you are truely lactose intolerant, or just COW milk intolerant. Many times, the allergy is mis-diagnosed as a lactose intolerance, when in fact, it's the type of protein that cows milk contains that they are truely intolerant of, and other types of milk would be ok. For instance goat's milk.

Besides that, there's no reason to HAVE to have milk, or other dairy. It's a good complete protein source, and good fat and vitamin source, but you can get those vitamins and protein in many other ways.

I have no problem making up protein in a day, and most days I don't drink milk. But I have a hard time finding good sources of calcium. I have had the lactose intolerance checked at several points in my life and it is indeed the case. However, with lactaid pills I do eat small amounts of dairy products.

Thank you for the information. Unfortunately I no longer work as a pharmaceutical chemist, but in inorganic chemistry now. Otherwise I would be able to test it myself.

Have a good day.

may_marie

You have to take everything with a pinch of salt, even all those 'studies' done by the 'experts'. Every year new information becomes available that makes last years studies suspect.
For every one thing wrong with soy, I could give you twenty things wrong with meat/dairy and yet the meat/dairy industry has been getting away with murder for decades with the marketing of their products. Their propaganda would make the Nazi's proud.
Everything that you put into your mouth has negatives and positives, and everything that you consume should be in moderation - regardless of what it is.
For those who eat a fair amount of soy, you should try and get it organically as much as possible. The top vegetables in the world which are sprayed horribly with pesticides, are corn and soy.

im with you on that one... ive heard just as much bad then good info on the soy subject. im a vegetarian and soy protein is a good part of my diet (though i know too much of 1 thing is not good so i vary as much as i can) i know the dairy industry is just as divided and as per meat, i just wont eat it. there is so many eggs you can eat.
i also have my own opinion of the fda....or the goverment
and bob harper is just the result of all that ...

keiko

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.


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you might want to confirm that you are truely lactose intolerant, or just COW milk intolerant. Many times, the allergy is mis-diagnosed as a lactose intolerance, when in fact, it's the type of protein that cows milk contains that they are truely intolerant of, and other types of milk would be ok. For instance goat's milk.

Besides that, there's no reason to HAVE to have milk, or other dairy. It's a good complete protein source, and good fat and vitamin source, but you can get those vitamins and protein in many other ways.

I have no problem making up protein in a day, and most days I don't drink milk. But I have a hard time finding good sources of calcium. I have had the lactose intolerance checked at several points in my life and it is indeed the case. However, with lactaid pills I do eat small amounts of dairy products.

Thank you for the information. Unfortunately I no longer work as a pharmaceutical chemist, but in inorganic chemistry now. Otherwise I would be able to test it myself.

Have a good day.

Have you tried the lactose free milk? My mom drinks it and uses it in all of her cooking when milk is called for. She loved milk and was so glad to find this when she could no longer tolerate lactose.

chrissyh

I avoid soy - it's a great natural estrogen for ladies but since my breast cancer was estrogen fed and I take a estogen blocker now, I'll skip it.

Dave198lbs

It didnt surprise me but it does piss me off.

And big Ron the dad? he thought olive oil has trans fat in it. After months on the show he doesnt know about that? The show should be ashamed he was so stupid

The misinformation on such a show is just absurd and is dangerous.

I have long been a foe of soy. It is not for men period and women should not rely on it for protein.

Calling soy protein the same as any other protein is another indication of how much wrong information is out there and sadly in here

The blind emphasis on calorie amounts and not on calorie quality is also driving me crazy.

Yet another thread this morning glorifying skinny cow becuase it is low calorie. Skinny cow (not the laughing cow) is chemical junk. But....since it is low cal...the blind masses are buying in bulk

aymie24

About Soy.

I can't believe he went on and did a ringing endorsement of soy products. Without once mentioning the possible negative side effects of soy.

Facts about soy.

1) The soy US people eat contains protein that is largely indigestible for humans. Which means something that says it has say 20 g of protein but is largely soy, will not deliver anywhere near that much usable protein.

2) Soy contains isoflavones, which can block the release of iodine, which the thyroid uses for hormone production, which can cause all kinds of issues including, hair loss, skin problems, weight gain, and a whole host of other metabolic issues.

3) The American Heart Association (AHA) which previously endorsed the FDA's addition of Soy in 2000 to the "Heart Healthy" food products for lowering the chance of Coronary Artery Disease, has recently concluded it's own study on soy, and requested the FDA PULL soy from the list. The FDA has, as yet, failed to act on the recommendation by the country's leading expert foundation on the heart.

4) Soy was an industrial by product for a long time, the reason soy is so popular is because somewhere in the 1990s the soy production conglomerates got together and began a campaign to push it's use as a "heart healthy" food, using lobbyists and their own (biased) research to make their case. This is a clear case of big business manipulating the system to the detriment of the general public.

5) Soy is listed among the top 8 most allergic foods in the US.

6) Contrary to popular thought, the Japanese, do NOT eat more soy. They, in fact, use it as a garnish in most cases and eat very small amounts.

7) And scariest for men who are activly trying to have children or gain muscle mass; soy contains high amounts of phytoestrogen, which acts the same way as regular estrogen in the body. This both blocks testosterone production (one of the main hormones used for building muscle), and lowers sperm count among adult males.


I'm a little shocked that Bob would do this. Is he working off old data, or did the Soy conglomerates purchase add time on TBL and Bob sold out? I have been slightly disgusted here and there with TBL for some of their blatent advertising in the show, but I took it as harmless and "mostly true" but this one I can't just stand by and watch, I'm writing the show to complain. I hope you all will too.

Would you mind citing your resources as well as the list of the most allergenic foods, many of which are common and healthy? I think it's only fair to allow everyone to come to their own conclusions about the data. Eating a diet very high in soy, or anything else, can have harmful side effects, as can taking too many vitamins.

I should add, I am not advocating, just asking that others read for themselves. Small amounts of soy can be helpful for some, harmful for others.

purrrr

I have no problem making up protein in a day, and most days I don't drink milk. But I have a hard time finding good sources of calcium. I have had the lactose intolerance checked at several points in my life and it is indeed the case. However, with lactaid pills I do eat small amounts of dairy products.

Dairy is not a good resource of calcium... Humans over the age of 4 do not have an enzyme called renin or something and cannot process the calcium... Try to guess why bone diseas like osteoporosis are widest spread in the top dairy consuming countries?

Here are some good resources of calcium from a site i googled, i'm pretty sure there's more to it:

* Salmon
* Rhubarb
* Sardines
* Collard greens
* Spinach
* Turnip greens
* Okra
* White beans
* Baked beans
* Broccoli
* Peas
* Brussel sprouts
* Sesame seeds
* Bok choy
* Almonds

AJCM

Thanks for bringing this up Banks...

It has been disappearning from health food store shelves in the past few years (Whole Foods has a huge reduction, local stores around Toronto have reduced it, even GNC carries very very little soy protein).

My Naturopathic Doctor says absolutely no soy, for anyone. Not to be confused with fermented prodcuts, such as miso, which is healthful. She also doesn't much like a lot meat in one's diet, however she said the negative affects of soy are worse than grocery store meats.

Did you also mention that it's genetically modified?
:sick:

aymie24

I have no problem making up protein in a day, and most days I don't drink milk. But I have a hard time finding good sources of calcium. I have had the lactose intolerance checked at several points in my life and it is indeed the case. However, with lactaid pills I do eat small amounts of dairy products.

Dairy is not a good resource of calcium... Humans over the age of 4 do not have an enzyme called renin or something and cannot process the calcium... Try to guess why bone diseas like osteoporosis are widest spread in the top dairy consuming countries?

Here are some good resources of calcium from a site i googled, i'm pretty sure there's more to it:

* Salmon
* Rhubarb
* Sardines
* Collard greens
* Spinach
* Turnip greens
* Okra
* White beans
* Baked beans
* Broccoli
* Peas
* Brussel sprouts
* Sesame seeds
* Bok choy
* Almonds

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE everyone read up on everything discussed on MFP for yourself!

There have been studies that indicate bone mass in women is actually higher post breastfeeding than it was pre-pregnancy. The assumptions science has made for many years are being debunked. Just because something makes logical sense, doesn't make it true.

In countries with low dairy consumption and high extended breastfeeding rates, osteoporosis is not an issue.

OUR OVERALL HEALTH IS NOT SIMPLY A MATTER OF WHAT WE CONSUME, IT IS LIFESTYLE AS A WHOLE!

aymie24

Did you also mention that it's genetically modified?
:sick:

"13.3 million farmers — 90 percent of who farm in developing countries – choose to plant biotech crops.
Farmers in 25 countries on six continents are using plant biotechnology to solve difficult crop production challenges and conserve the environment. Over the past decade, they’ve increased area planted in genetically modified (GM) crops by more than 10 percent each year, increased their farm income by more than US$44 billion (1996-2007), and achieved economic, environmental and social benefits in crops such as soybeans, canola, corn and cotton.

To date, total acres of biotech crops harvested exceed more than 2 billion with a proven 13-year history of safe use. Over the next decade, expanded adoption combined with current research on 57 crops in 63 countries will broaden the advantages of genentically modified foods for growers, consumers and the environment."

From Monsanto's website. If you don't know what Monsanto is, please google it.

KZOsMommy

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.


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you might want to confirm that you are truely lactose intolerant, or just COW milk intolerant. Many times, the allergy is mis-diagnosed as a lactose intolerance, when in fact, it's the type of protein that cows milk contains that they are truely intolerant of, and other types of milk would be ok. For instance goat's milk.

Besides that, there's no reason to HAVE to have milk, or other dairy. It's a good complete protein source, and good fat and vitamin source, but you can get those vitamins and protein in many other ways.

There is a difference in being lactose intolerant and being allergic to milk. My daughter has a dairy allergy she can not even have goats milk. She dr has told me they are not the same thing. People that are lactose intolerant will get an upset stomach where my daughter could die having dairy.

We do not do much soy at all here. She will have the soy milk in her cereal but she does not drink what is left. Other then that we do no other soy. She is also allergic to nuts and eggs so we do not have much options with here lol

I was really surprised too that Bob did that. I have heard a lot of neg. things about soy and young boys (which I do have a son also).

I guess all we can do it hope that we are following the right information about things!

Amanda

purrrr

"13.3 million farmers — 90 percent of who farm in developing countries – choose to plant biotech crops.
Farmers in 25 countries on six continents are using plant biotechnology to solve difficult crop production challenges and conserve the environment. Over the past decade, they’ve increased area planted in genetically modified (GM) crops by more than 10 percent each year, increased their farm income by more than US$44 billion (1996-2007), and achieved economic, environmental and social benefits in crops such as soybeans, canola, corn and cotton.

To date, total acres of biotech crops harvested exceed more than 2 billion with a proven 13-year history of safe use. Over the next decade, expanded adoption combined with current research on 57 crops in 63 countries will broaden the advantages of genentically modified foods for growers, consumers and the environment."

From Monsanto's website. If you don't know what Monsanto is, please google it.

so if all crops are being genetically modified, we have to avoid them as well... then what's left to eat that's really healthy... :explode:

MTGirl

Banks- my daughter was looking at me all big eyed last night after Bob's little blurb about soy. I was hollering at the TV - "Yes and it has phytoestrogen that can mess up male functions big time" and a few other things. I think she thought I lost my mind yelling at the tv - but soy is really not healthy. Yes, people, do some research. Bob did a diservice with his little announcement and ignored some facts about soy that make it not a good choice. Sure, you can find a study that will back up any claim. But if you look deep enough into the truth what you will find about soy is not good. Phytoestrogens are not good for men and can a lot of breast cancers feed on excess estrogen. Most naturopathic docs will tell you no soy products - with the exception of fermented stuff in moderation.

aymie24

"13.3 million farmers — 90 percent of who farm in developing countries – choose to plant biotech crops.
Farmers in 25 countries on six continents are using plant biotechnology to solve difficult crop production challenges and conserve the environment. Over the past decade, they’ve increased area planted in genetically modified (GM) crops by more than 10 percent each year, increased their farm income by more than US$44 billion (1996-2007), and achieved economic, environmental and social benefits in crops such as soybeans, canola, corn and cotton.

To date, total acres of biotech crops harvested exceed more than 2 billion with a proven 13-year history of safe use. Over the next decade, expanded adoption combined with current research on 57 crops in 63 countries will broaden the advantages of genentically modified foods for growers, consumers and the environment."

From Monsanto's website. If you don't know what Monsanto is, please google it.

so if all crops are being genetically modified, we have to avoid them as well... then what's left to eat that's really healthy... :explode:

Food you grow yourself from seeds you know for certain are true hierloom, in soil you know has not been contaiminated, watered with water you collected in rain barrels....good luck with that, lol...

My point in posting that was that people read things like "genetically modified" and freak out, yet we are all eating GM food. There is almost no way around it. People think the Amish are all natural and organic, lol, that's not true either. My hubby has a saying, "assumption is the mother of all $%*@ ups"....

msarro

I have to argue with you on one thing Banks, while the Japanese may not eat as much soy as is often claimed, the Indonesians, Indians, Vietnamese, Laotians, Javanese, and the rest of East Asia do (Japan being an island tends to get a large amount of its agricultural products from the sea, as you would expect from an island nation). It has long been a staple of Buddhists in lieu of meat and so the higher the percentage of strict Buddhists, the more common the use of soy products. Further, in Java the eating of tempeh is so common that it is often regionally referred to as "Javanese Meat." But there are definitely some countries where soy products are a staple and their regular use has not caused issue.

Note that there is a big difference between regular use, and overuse as many vegans do. Eating a soy burger, topped with soy cheese on bread with soy nuts in it, and chasing it with a big glass of soy milk is bad for you, no question. However having some tofu with a salad every day I personally believe will not harm you. The evidence simply is not there in countries where soy is eaten as a protein staple.

Further the studies so far about the phytoestrogens (to my knowledge) have yet to show any conclusive evidence one way or another that there is an effect on adult males. The last I read, the main focus of those concerns was on developing infants and the overuse of soy-based formulas - especially on developing boys.

That's why soy formula should only be used as a very last resort when all other alternatives fail.

The rest I won't argue about, you're spot on

newlifestyle36

It didnt surprise me but it does piss me off.

And big Ron the dad? he thought olive oil has trans fat in it. After months on the show he doesnt know about that? The show should be ashamed he was so stupid

The misinformation on such a show is just absurd and is dangerous.

I have long been a foe of soy. It is not for men period and women should not rely on it for protein.

Calling soy protein the same as any other protein is another indication of how much wrong information is out there and sadly in here

The blind emphasis on calorie amounts and not on calorie quality is also driving me crazy.

Yet another thread this morning glorifying skinny cow becuase it is low calorie. Skinny cow (not the laughing cow) is chemical junk. But....since it is low cal...the blind masses are buying in bulk

like the women from good house keeping said on TBL read the label's ... I say if i can't pronoune whats in the food don't buy it and don't eat it!!!! :bigsmile: