Ugh, The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance

FitLink

Funny how people are up in arms about body shaming fat people,but its totally ok when someone posts one of those hotter than pics totally shaming thin people and people fill pages an pages with comments like "LOVE" and ewwwww look at the skeletons

Yes overweight kids get teased but you know what ALL kids get teased weather it be for weight,glasses ,clothes ect ect.
Maybe we need to stop shoving this polticly correct acceptance *kitten* down everyones throats because you know what EVERYONE judges and everyone gets judged. We need to teach our kids not to base their self worth on what others think of them.

seriously how many of you have looked at someone and said"oh she needs to eat a sandwhich"
how many of you have judged peoples clothes,spelling,grocery carts,food diaries,what they logg as exercise ect ect .world acceptance for weight or anything is something that will NEVER happen,just like world peace

I was an overweight teenager who was teased relentlessly about my weight. I was obese by the time I was 16, and I used to have people throw food at me. There were periods in my life where I had literally 0 friends, and I tried to take my own life because I was so depressed. When I was at my biggest I honestly didn't think I'd make it past the age of 30, and I didn't care.

I've never made fun of an underweight or slim person. I don't think it's appropriate to tease people at all. Don't justify fat bashing by saying 'well sometimes they make fun of thin people' - it's bad either way and shouldn't happen.

I didnt justify it,also my very best friend in junior high was very tall and very thin,she also had food thrown at her called skeletor,teased relentlessly she commited suicide its not exclusive to fat people. I was teased relentlessy about my speech problem (think elmer fudd meets the priest from the princess bride) i was also teased relentlessly about my very old messed up clothes the fact that my parents had no money,the diffrence between me and my friend i didnt give a ****.she was my ONLY friend BTW

once again i never justified fat bashing i think you might be reading more into what i said than what was there and seriously if you have NEVER judged someone for how they look you are lying EVERYONE does its basic human nature

It's not human nature, and not everyone does it. You can't excuse bigotry by saying "everyone does it" and "it's human nature." Psychology has proved conclusively that they don't and it isn't.

I didnt excuse it so stop putting words in my mouth I SAID everyone has judged someone else based on apperance and if they said they havent they are lying. The point I was making is that everyone gets picked on everyone gets judged its not exclusive to overweight people. I personally got way more crap from people when I weighed 110 versus 230. everyone has it tough,it has always been this way show me a time in history when it hasnt. earliest recorded history shows bigotry and people being judged for religion,race,body,sexual orientation,rich or poor,and on and on funny for something that psycholgoy has proven isnt normal. me saying it is not excusing it just pointing it out. we can not change the world reacacts to us only the way we react to the worlds reaction

And I still call bullsh!t. The world HAS demonstrably changed, and it can and will keep changing as long as we refuse to accept intolerance.

We have become entirely too tolerant as a society. Everybody has a bullsh*t excuse for everything and it's politically incorrect to call anyone out because we have to be "tolerant" of everything. Where do we draw the line? Do we start tolerating criminal activity because most people who commit crimes have mental health issues? I know that *seems* like a huge jump, but there ARE people out there who feel that way. It seems like there's no right and wrong anymore, only a huge gray area.

That can't be good.

obese people are not criminals. it's weird to me that you are tying this discussion into moral issues. perhaps the line could be drawn at keeping to your own personal endeavors and butting out of everyone else's.

I, personally, draw the line at "harm to the person or property of a non-consenting other." "Criminal activity" clearly does this. Fat clearly does not. Does this help?

lesterfaye81

As a person who got made fun of in school for her size, let me point something out: I was obese as a child. I was also prone to chronic sinusitis and exercise induced asthma. Neither of those things were very conducive to my little chubby *kitten* running track. Snacker and lead butt seem like another way to get the little sheep to mock other children. Here's an idea: Promote healthy eating and healthy activity for ALL the children, not just the fat ones? You CAN be skinny and unhealthy, people.

FitLink

This news does not surprise me at all. I have met people from that organization and I was criticized by a couple of their members for wanting to get into shape and for thinking that changing my diet had anything to do with good health. I didn't criticize anyone for wanting to stay fat or for eating a high calorie diet without exercising (and this is exactly what they described to me as their preference). I have no problem with people loving themselves no matter where they are at, but maybe some of us have a genuine desire to be able to look down and actually see our genitals without a mirror.

Their web page doesn't imply that they look down on anyone for adopting a "healthy lifestyle." They rightly look down on measuring healthy lifestyles by weight. That you met "a couple of people" who belong to the organization who take this in another direction is irrelevant. Should I assume all christians believe that black people are inferior and it's okay to torture and kill them based on the fact that all KKK members profess a belief in christianity and belong to churches?

And really, how many skinny women, healthy or not, can see their genitals without a mirror? What a stupid comment, and stupid way to determine health. It is about health, right?

ArroganceInStep

Can we please consider if the exhibit would actually effect positive change in the children that went to it?

People are going to get offended by all kinds of things, it happens.

Based on what I was able to find looking up the exhibit online, I think the exhibit would do a pretty crummy job of getting children to change negative habits for more positive ones, and as such was a failure. I feel it reinforces negative stereotypes, and relate it to the parent who harasses their child daily about diet and exercise and causes the kid to develop an unhealthy relationship with food and sneak junk for comfort and such.

Whether it made people happy, to me, is irrelevant. What matters is if it was any good at what it set out to do.

FitLink

Can we please consider if the exhibit would actually effect positive change in the children that went to it?

People are going to get offended by all kinds of things, it happens.

Based on what I was able to find looking up the exhibit online, I think the exhibit would do a pretty crummy job of getting children to change negative habits for more positive ones, and as such was a failure. I feel it reinforces negative stereotypes, and relate it to the parent who harasses their child daily about diet and exercise and causes the kid to develop an unhealthy relationship with food and sneak junk for comfort and such.

Whether it made people happy, to me, is irrelevant. What matters is if it was any good at what it set out to do.

I think the issue here is WHY does it fail to achieve it's goals? It's offensive BECAUSE it reinforces stereotypes (all stereotypes are negative), and because making people "feel bad" virtually never works as a way to cause positive change, so doing it is generally punitive. An organization that promotes awareness of stereotypes rightly takes issue with it, because stereotypes are seldom true.

FitLink

As a person who got made fun of in school for her size, let me point something out: I was obese as a child. I was also prone to chronic sinusitis and exercise induced asthma. Neither of those things were very conducive to my little chubby *kitten* running track. Snacker and lead butt seem like another way to get the little sheep to mock other children. Here's an idea: Promote healthy eating and healthy activity for ALL the children, not just the fat ones? You CAN be skinny and unhealthy, people.

Exactly. And the "non-gluttonous" fat people are far less rare than most people think. You, for instance. It's not just glandular problems. And you can't know by looking why a person is fat, so if you decide a person's suitability for a job or home based on weight, you have discriminated.

cutie2b

He/She wasn't saying obese people are criminals. You know exactly what that post meant. And obesity is everyone's business because it's a major factor in health care/insurance costs, which affects EVERYONE!! So unless they start making different prices for obese and the non-obese I'll continue to make it my business.

Obesity has nothing to do with our health crisis. It's a symptom of the real issue - UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLES (and only in some cases - obesity can be a symptom of hormone issues, medicines, etc. as well). Not exercising, eating only junk food, smoking, drugs, etc. are all going to result in poor health and extra health care costs regardless of your level of fatness and weight. You can be fat and healthy and you can be skinny and unhealthy. So what I eat is not any more of your business unless you are policing everyone's diet and exercise/fitness routines regardless of weight. Stop judging people only by weight and look at their behaviors. That's what's important. Are they eating whole food with lots of veggies and fruit? Are they exercising? Are they sleeping? Are they dealing with stress effectively? That's what really matters. Not their body fat percentage. You can say in general that potentially that people with high body fat percentages do not lead healthy lifestyles, but that's not always the case. And I promise that there are skinny people who have heart attacks and also have diabetes, who have made poor lifestyle choices. Look at the lifestyle choices and not just the outside appearance of someone. Until you get to extremes (anorexia or super obesity) and stress the body so much, weight in general doesn't cause death. For everyone in the middle, it's generally an issue of healthy lifestyles that relates to biological deaths from disease.

And healthy lifestyle isn't a guarantee of health, long life, or that you won't have health problems that increase health care costs. Jim Fixx, author of the 1977 bestseller "The Complete Book of Running," has been credited with starting the fitness movement in America. He wrote books and articles about exercise and healthy eating, appeared on talk shows to promote exercise and healthy eating, and lived by what he wrote. He also died of a heart attack at the age of 52, in 1984, while out on his daily run. His autopsy showed three coronary arteries were blocked, one by 95%. Can we conclude that running is detrimental to health? Or should we conclude that health is more complicated than food and exercise? There are plenty of fat and skinny but unhealthy celebrities and average people who live well past 52, some well past 82 or 92, with few, if any, health problems. Health isn't as simple as food and exercise, and you can't know much about a person just by looking, especially about their health, so it's never okay to judge based on appearance--even fat.

Genetics obviously play a role in health as well. And healthy lifestyles aren't always 100% guarantee of long life just like a poor lifestyle isn't 100% certainty of early death. I am saying you should never judge people solely by appearance as a true indicator of health. There are too many other factors involved in health to base it purely on fat level or weight. And you don't know what people's lifestyles have been or are by just looking at them. And FYI, according to wikipedia:

"Fixx started running in 1967 at age 35. He weighed 240 pounds (110 kg) and smoked two packs of cigarettes per day. Ten years later, when his book, Complete Book of Running (which spent 11 weeks at No. 1 on the best-seller list) was published, he was 60 pounds (30 kg) lighter and smoke-free. In his books and on television talk shows, he extolled the benefits of physical exercise and how it considerably increased the average life expectancy."

He obviously made poor lifestyle choices for the first part of his life, which most definitely probably impacted his age of death. By starting running, he probably prolonged his life, but obviously didn't undo his choice to smoke two packs/day and potentially not exercise at the start of his life. Genetics probably played a role too. If he hadn't changed his behavior he might have dropped dead at 38 instead of 52. Who knows? But obviously, his size at age 52 wasn't an indicator of his true health, seeing as he weighed 60KG at death (132lbs), but that didn't reflected his previous smoking or unhealthy lifestyle from teens to mid 30's.

GoldspursX3

He/She wasn't saying obese people are criminals. You know exactly what that post meant. And obesity is everyone's business because it's a major factor in health care/insurance costs, which affects EVERYONE!! So unless they start making different prices for obese and the non-obese I'll continue to make it my business.

Obesity has nothing to do with our health crisis. It's a symptom of the real issue - UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLES (and only in some cases - obesity can be a symptom of hormone issues, medicines, etc. as well). Not exercising, eating only junk food, smoking, drugs, etc. are all going to result in poor health and extra health care costs regardless of your level of fatness and weight. You can be fat and healthy and you can be skinny and unhealthy. So what I eat is not any more of your business unless you are policing everyone's diet and exercise/fitness routines regardless of weight. Stop judging people only by weight and look at their behaviors. That's what's important. Are they eating whole food with lots of veggies and fruit? Are they exercising? Are they sleeping? Are they dealing with stress effectively? That's what really matters. Not their body fat percentage. You can say in general that potentially that people with high body fat percentages do not lead healthy lifestyles, but that's not always the case. And I promise that there are skinny people who have heart attacks and also have diabetes, who have made poor lifestyle choices. Look at the lifestyle choices and not just the outside appearance of someone. Until you get to extremes (anorexia or super obesity) and stress the body so much, weight in general doesn't cause death. For everyone in the middle, it's generally an issue of healthy lifestyles that relates to biological deaths from disease.

Obesity has nothing to do with our health crisis? You really have your head in the sand. How exactly am I in your business? Am I going into your home and rummaging through your cupboards? I really don't understand your point. What exactly are you trying to get me to agree to? Your statement that you have to be SUPER OBESE to have health issues is so wrong. Just go speak to a cardiologist. Thanks for proving my point that the general population needs more education on a heathy lifestyle.

GoldspursX3

He/She wasn't saying obese people are criminals. You know exactly what that post meant. And obesity is everyone's business because it's a major factor in health care/insurance costs, which affects EVERYONE!! So unless they start making different prices for obese and the non-obese I'll continue to make it my business.

Obesity has nothing to do with our health crisis. It's a symptom of the real issue - UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLES (and only in some cases - obesity can be a symptom of hormone issues, medicines, etc. as well). Not exercising, eating only junk food, smoking, drugs, etc. are all going to result in poor health and extra health care costs regardless of your level of fatness and weight. You can be fat and healthy and you can be skinny and unhealthy. So what I eat is not any more of your business unless you are policing everyone's diet and exercise/fitness routines regardless of weight. Stop judging people only by weight and look at their behaviors. That's what's important. Are they eating whole food with lots of veggies and fruit? Are they exercising? Are they sleeping? Are they dealing with stress effectively? That's what really matters. Not their body fat percentage. You can say in general that potentially that people with high body fat percentages do not lead healthy lifestyles, but that's not always the case. And I promise that there are skinny people who have heart attacks and also have diabetes, who have made poor lifestyle choices. Look at the lifestyle choices and not just the outside appearance of someone. Until you get to extremes (anorexia or super obesity) and stress the body so much, weight in general doesn't cause death. For everyone in the middle, it's generally an issue of healthy lifestyles that relates to biological deaths from disease.

And healthy lifestyle isn't a guarantee of health, long life, or that you won't have health problems that increase health care costs. Jim Fixx, author of the 1977 bestseller "The Complete Book of Running," has been credited with starting the fitness movement in America. He wrote books and articles about exercise and healthy eating, appeared on talk shows to promote exercise and healthy eating, and lived by what he wrote. He also died of a heart attack at the age of 52, in 1984, while out on his daily run. His autopsy showed three coronary arteries were blocked, one by 95%. Can we conclude that running is detrimental to health? Or should we conclude that health is more complicated than food and exercise? There are plenty of fat and skinny but unhealthy celebrities and average people who live well past 52, some well past 82 or 92, with few, if any, health problems. Health isn't as simple as food and exercise, and you can't know much about a person just by looking, especially about their health, so it's never okay to judge based on appearance--even fat.

So...you found an example of someone who started living healthy and died young so we should just say screw exercising and eat junk because it doesnt matter??

HonkyTonks

So...you found an example of someone who started living healthy and died young so we should just say screw exercising and eat junk because it doesnt matter??

Well, hello strawman!

cutie2b

He/She wasn't saying obese people are criminals. You know exactly what that post meant. And obesity is everyone's business because it's a major factor in health care/insurance costs, which affects EVERYONE!! So unless they start making different prices for obese and the non-obese I'll continue to make it my business.

Obesity has nothing to do with our health crisis. It's a symptom of the real issue - UNHEALTHY LIFESTYLES (and only in some cases - obesity can be a symptom of hormone issues, medicines, etc. as well). Not exercising, eating only junk food, smoking, drugs, etc. are all going to result in poor health and extra health care costs regardless of your level of fatness and weight. You can be fat and healthy and you can be skinny and unhealthy. So what I eat is not any more of your business unless you are policing everyone's diet and exercise/fitness routines regardless of weight. Stop judging people only by weight and look at their behaviors. That's what's important. Are they eating whole food with lots of veggies and fruit? Are they exercising? Are they sleeping? Are they dealing with stress effectively? That's what really matters. Not their body fat percentage. You can say in general that potentially that people with high body fat percentages do not lead healthy lifestyles, but that's not always the case. And I promise that there are skinny people who have heart attacks and also have diabetes, who have made poor lifestyle choices. Look at the lifestyle choices and not just the outside appearance of someone. Until you get to extremes (anorexia or super obesity) and stress the body so much, weight in general doesn't cause death. For everyone in the middle, it's generally an issue of healthy lifestyles that relates to biological deaths from disease.

Obesity has nothing to do with our health crisis? You really have your head in the sand. How exactly am I in your business? Am I going into your home and rummaging through your cupboards? I really don't understand your point. What exactly are you trying to get me to agree to? Your statement that you have to be SUPER OBESE to have health issues is so wrong. Just go speak to a cardiologist. Thanks for proving my point that the general population needs more education on a heathy lifestyle.

I am saying that in some instances obesity is a symptom (reflection of) an unhealthy lifestyle, but not always. Some people don't exercise and eat badly and gain weight. Some people don't exercise and eat badly and stay thin (at least for a part or large part of their adult lives). I am saying that weight is a symptom and not the actual problem. I am also saying that weight is an indication of other health problems at times and not just an unhealthy lifestyle. Yes, I am saying it is possible to be healthy and overweight/fat. Not exercising and eating badly regardless of your weight is the problem. And judging people solely on weight is naive. And just so you know, cardiologists see skinny people too, because even before the "obesity epidemic", they were in business and had heart patients and they weren't all fat. They had patients in the 1950's even before the general populace was considered "fat". If you want to start charging extra for health care, then lets starts really looking at blood work and lifestyle such as cholesterol numbers, c-reactive protein, A1C, fasting blood glucose, blood pressure, smoking, drug and alcohol histories, family histories, etc. Let's start judging by real indicators of health and not the number on a scale, which often doesn't present a clear picture of anything. And if you do that, you will find people of all sizes that will be unhealthy and healthy. And I am advocating for a healthy lifestyle. I never said that I wasn't. I think regardless of size you should exercise and eat healthily and live a healthy lifestyle and that determines your health - not your weight on a scale.

Cold_Steel

But, again, you can't pick out that person who is fat because of a medical problem by looking at them. It is certainly true that a small number of disabled people are disabled because they made bad choices. You can even debate as to blame vs blamelessness in degrees. I have a HS classmate who (not in HS, as an adult) dove headfirst into four-foot water and was paralyzed from the neck down. There were signs everywhere warning not to dive head first and of the danger, but this guy was not one to follow rules. He was known in elementary school for beating other kids up pretty randomly, and he eventually was kicked out of our HS for bullying. The residential HS he subsequently attended threw him out for pouring a pot of hot coffee on his roommate as a prank. Now he is obviously disabled and uses a power wheelchair with special controls to get around. He's disabled, but he made the choice just as certainly--MORE certainly--than any fat person. He's not alone. So shall we not accept disabled people because you can't tell the ones who got that way blamelessly from the ones who got there by making bad choices? Are you saying that the "percentage" of people who made bad choices matters? It's okay to discriminate against a smaller number of people?

I walk with crutches. Should I simply be denied the things I can't get to because you can't tell by looking at me WHY I need crutches? Should I be denied a job as a computer programmer because a company just considers disabled people "gross?" Why should a fat person be denied the same job because you don't accept his/her "fatness?" I also have cancer. This could have a direct affect on a company that hires me's health plan. Should they be allowed to deny me a job because I have cancer?

If you REALLY believe that you should ONLY protect from discrimination things that are NOT a choice EVER, gender, race and national origin should be protected. Religion is a CHOICE. You CAN change your religion, even if you don't choose to. Disability is sometimes a choice as well. Perhaps a better measure is the "essential functions of the job" rule. If I can perform the "essential functions of the job" then my personal traits AND choices are not an employer's business. You don't have to "accept" me as a person, but you can't decide that you don't like my personal choices and so not hire, rent, or sell to me.

You are implying incorrectly that discrimination is entirely based on first impressions, no the whiney people that are complaining they are discriminated against because they are fat are usually disregarded after being questioned at least when I am looking to hire someone. Again, I draw back to my pussification of America statement. If you came in to apply for a job with me and you were on crutches, I ask you to demonstrate that you can perform the essential functions of the job and you can. Then I ask what happened as to why you were in crutches and you told me you were skateboarding and decided to jump off of a roof and you broke your ankle ... do you think I am going hire you ? No, you are an idiot. If you told me you have a disease, I could care less as long as you could do the job. If you want to talk about workplace discrimination lets have a discussion.

I manage a security company, have been doing so for 7 or so years. I have had many applicants come in over the years that were well interesting. If I have a 6ft 500lb guy come in and interview who has the permits he needs who says he can perform the essential functions of the job but is sitting there breathing very labored, coughing, sweating just sitting there and looking like he can barely breathe, is it discrimination because as a manager of a company I am looking at the best interest of the company ? What I see is a liability, a person who is going to call off sick, a person who is going to cause damage to our vehicles, a person who is going to put off a negative company image to our clients, a person who says they can perform the functions of the job but it is very apparent that getting in and out of a small car all night long for 10 hours straight is either going to kill the employee or cause a lot of financial harm to the company, I am going to have to pay twice as much for his 6x uniform shirt and 60 pants, is that discrimination? Where do you draw the line?

It is right up there why strip clubs aren't going to hire a 300 lb woman, or why models even exist in any capacity. Is that discrimination that I cannot be a model... no...

The irony is California law wouldn't even allow me to ask if the person has a thyroid problem or something to that extent because that would be deemed an inappropriate question and a violation of their rights.

Cold_Steel

Oh and to clarify a few things.

The person that jumped head first into a lake with a ton of warning signs that use to jump hot coffee on people. When Americans have to pay for their benefits because they can't work due to their own stupidity then yes, I think we should not take care of them... Heartless, yes. People take no responsibility for their own stupidity and instead we are left to pay the bill... Why should we pay for the guy or girl who had un protected sex and ended up with HIV or the idiot who got launched from a car at 60mph and is now paralyzed who was drunk and not wearing his seat belt...

tuffytuffy1

I can't say I am pleased with the "characters" used in the Disney exhibit. I ate Twinkies, Suzy-Q's, Doritos, and drank Coke as a 6 year old and I was skinny as a rail until I was in my 30's. My parents clearly did not teach me good eating habits at that age, but I didn't show it on the outside - I weighed about 100 pounds in my senior year of high school. So I agree with the others who feel the exhibit should promote healthy lifestyles and eating for ALL KIDS.

I have a neighbor who is 9 and very overweight (she is over 100 pounds), and her parents constantly talk about how much she eats and her little sister is super skinny and doesn't eat a lot. This overweight girl is demeaned by her own parents, and it makes me sick. I think if they could just offer both of their kids healthy food and choices and not single out the elder overweight child, she would be a lot better off.

sportyskylar

people need to stop avoiding the issue of child obesity. ignoring it doesnt make it go away. and fighting disney for encouraging an active lifestyle as opposed to an unhealthy one is not going to make anything better

katemiddletonisawesome

Here's an idea. Be accountable for your decisions and actions.

Yes, genetics can contribute, but genetics does not make you choose an oreo over a carrot stick.

j77r68

i find it funny how (me assuming here) thinner people in an office who deny people insurance coverage for many idiotic reasons think they are "being helpful" by pointing out obese kids faults and issues. Throwing it all in their faces saying it's their fault for filling their faces all the time and having too much couch time !!! Whatever:grumble: :frown:

FitLink

Whenever I think about fat acceptance, I think of a Dr. G Medical Examiner episode. She had just finished an autopsy on someone who died young largely due to their weight. And she said something like, it's not that we can't accept that you're fat because of the way you look, it's that it's unhealthy and it will kill you. It's one thing when those comments come from your family, it's another thing when a coroner says them!

On the other hand, just being thin, as many have said, isn't going to mean a long healthy life. I had McDonald's for dinner (again). I'm under my calorie goal and would have been even if I hadn't worked out after midnight last night because that nasty double quarter pounder and fries is all I'm eating, besides a ton of coffee. Technically, I could get skinny off fast food. But the crap will still kill me.

But it's a choice that, as an adult, you have a right to make. And even if you make the choice to eat McDonalds, you still deserve dignity and equality. This Dr. G of yours is way out of line. Adults have the right to make stupid choices! I also find that if you continue a discussion with someone who is arguing it's okay to discriminate against fat people "because they're unhealthy," you eventually hear the word "gross, " or "disgusting." Why? Because often when we make a prejudiced decision, we then work really hard to come up with "legitimate" reasons why we're right to do so.

She's not out of line. She just tends to get upset when people make choices that cause them to end up dead at a young age. Skinny or fat isn't the point, it's what it does to your life expectancy that gets her preachifying.

But yes, regardless of the fact that I ate McDonald's yet again for dinner and that I'm overweight and may be shaving decades off my life, I do deserve to be treated with dignity and respect and if anyone treats me otherwise, they might find out that fat ladies are dangerous creatures to cross.

DECADES? No f-ing way.

FitLink

people need to stop avoiding the issue of child obesity. ignoring it doesnt make it go away. and fighting disney for encouraging an active lifestyle as opposed to an unhealthy one is not going to make anything better

Nor is Disney portraying fat as automatically unhealthy and thin as automatically healthy going to make anything better.

FitLink

Here's an idea. Be accountable for your decisions and actions.

Yes, genetics can contribute, but genetics does not make you choose an oreo over a carrot stick.

But evolution does. Until very recently in our history craving sweet and rich foods was beneficial for people. In nature, sweet, rich foods are rare, and calorie dense. To prehistoric man, calorie dense foods were a better guarantee against famine than less calorie dense foods, so craving sweet, rich foods was selected for, and these would be chosen, when available, over less calorie dense foods. If long life is your measure, for prehistoric man, sweet and rich foods would be "healthier" than vegetables.