violence against men?
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If a woman can hit then a man can also? I have seen cases of this. One of them involved my daughter. While in high school, a boy was calling her horrible names. So, she slapped him. He, then beat the crap out of her. Yes, she got the worse of the fight. Bloody nose, two black eyes, etc. Neither kid got in trouble for the fight. So, women need to learn that if they are going to get violent with anyone, they may be sorry.
Nobody got in trouble for that fight?? What has to happen to get in trouble for fighting at schools? Death??
From what I've seen this is VERY unusual. At the highschool I worked at, the students would get suspended for knocking books out of eachothers hands. Physical altercations ended up in the hands of the police with complaints filed. Most schools over react so as not to get sued. Haven't heard of one that allowed this to pass since the 80's. Some schools even react now if the altercation happens away from school grounds as long as both were students.
I guy started a fight with me at school, I took him out & there were no consequences for either of us.
I don't hit people unless they hit me first & even then that's a last resort, I'll try to reason with them or hold them back, but when I have had an altercation with a girl, even if she started it, it was always me that got the punishment for being of a bigger build & taller.0 -
Hit like a man, get hit like a man. I'm all about equality. A slap is fine but, if anyone hits you with a closed fist like a boxer then you have to defend yourself. Alot of women aren't "dainty little flowers" and can throw down with most men. I've met plenty of women I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley. You ever seen those womens prison shows?
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Try real life - much worse. My boss got stabbed (yes stabbed) in an argument with his ex-wife and he got arrested.
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
Agreed. If I hit a man I'd totally expect him to hit me back, and if a man hit me he'd be a fool to think I wouldn't see red. Domestic violence is a terrible thing and so prevalent, and it goes both ways, but I do think that the police tend to lean the way of the woman even when the man is acting in self defense. It's never okay, but honestly I mostly see it in soap oprahs, and nothing in those shows reflects reality.0 -
If a woman can hit then a man can also? I have seen cases of this. One of them involved my daughter. While in high school, a boy was calling her horrible names. So, she slapped him. He, then beat the crap out of her. Yes, she got the worse of the fight. Bloody nose, two black eyes, etc. Neither kid got in trouble for the fight. So, women need to learn that if they are going to get violent with anyone, they may be sorry.
Nobody got in trouble for that fight?? What has to happen to get in trouble for fighting at schools? Death??
From what I've seen this is VERY unusual. At the highschool I worked at, the students would get suspended for knocking books out of eachothers hands. Physical altercations ended up in the hands of the police with complaints filed. Most schools over react so as not to get sued. Haven't heard of one that allowed this to pass since the 80's. Some schools even react now if the altercation happens away from school grounds as long as both were students.
I guy started a fight with me at school, I took him out & there were no consequences for either of us.
I don't hit people unless they hit me first & even then that's a last resort, I'll try to reason with them or hold them back, but when I have had an altercation with a girl, even if she started it, it was always me that got the punishment for being of a bigger build & taller.
I fully understand your logic. The part of the situation that I dislike is that it makes me say things my parents said. "When I was a kid...". Back when I was in school it was very rare to see a fight. It did happen, but rarely. When I took the job at the highschool during my junior college years I saw a lot of them. I had recently finished my enlistment with the Marines and several teachers would call me if there was an argument that appeared to be getting worse. I looked the part back then and the kids didn't realize that there was no way I could or would touch them. Of course if any blows had been struck the campus police were on speed dial.
In 1995 there was 1 teacher per section of building out in the hallways during the passing periods. They kept the kids from running. In 2003 EVERY teacher was required to be in the halls due to the quantity of fighting. At least 1 fight a week, and they included all mixes of genders. It was depressing. Now I have a daughter who's future safety I have to worry about. Sheesh.0 -
Double standards indeed.
Women can be just as violent as men and men should have the right to defend themselves.
It's not OK for a woman to abuse a man and physical violence in any form is abuse.
I agree. I've seen women that are just as violent as men. I've seen it happen too many times where a woman attacks a man and initiates a physical confrontation. The second police show up, even before asking questions the man is cuffed and sat down, the woman plays the victim and the man is charged with whatever even though he was just defending himself,
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I hate when women think they can hit a man because "well they can't hit me because I'M a girl". I believe if you have the balls to hit a man, you should have the balls to get hit in return. I walked into my best friends house a while back and his crazy girlfriend was on top of him just a swinging away at his face, he had his arms up to try and block the blows. He started yelling at me to get her off and I just said, "Slap some reality into the b*tch." He did, she called the cops, and the only reason he didn't go to jail is because I was there to witness it. She beat his face to a pulp, he slapped her once and she told the cops that he beat the crap out of HER. B*tches man. lol0
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I got punched and kicked by my ex. All I was trying to do was leave the room. She called the cops hoping I would gets carted off to jail...she did.
There is hope. At no point was I even tempted to strike out. Even if I did, I knew I would be the one to go to jail.0 -
Thankfully, I've never seen it happen in real life. I don't hang with violent types and I didn't grow up in that kind of family. When I see it in films it makes me just as sick as when I see a man hit a woman in a film. I despise abusive people and their violent outbursts. Sickening! :noway:0
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Man or woman comes at me, I'll put them on the floor, regardless of how big or small.
I would feel insanely guilty afterwards if it was a girl though.0 -
One last thing about the equality issue and this probably won`t be popular with many.
It is human nature to want equality or even preference when it is to our benefit and not so much when it is not.
So it is with many ladies where equality means undoing real or perceived detriments based on sex but that seldom carries over to areas where complete gender equality would not be so pleasant a thing.
I agree with this completely. I'm all for "equality" in areas where it only makes sense, such as equal pay for equal work. There's absolutely no reason men should make more money than women for doing the same job, assuming all other factors are equal (education, experience, etc.).
But in a social context, men and women are NOT equal. One is not better or worse than the other; we're just different. But we force ourselves, through societal constraints, to relate to each other as though we are the same, and that is why relationships fail.
That's why I think the relative strength differences, as a result of sexual dimorphism, are critical to the argument as to whether or not is okay for a man to hit a woman who hits him first. A 10-year-old knows that hitting people is not acceptable. Would you hit a 10-year-old who slapped you? Of course not. Why? Because he's a kid, and you know you could seriously hurt him. I don't really see the difference between that and a bigger, stronger man hitting a woman.
That's not an excuse for women to slap men; I'm just saying, if they do, that's not a good enough reason for a real man to hit back. If she's kicking your tail, and you actually NEED to defend yourself from harm, go right ahead. But if she didn't actually hurt you, and you're just hitting her because you're pissed that she hit you, that makes you just as emotionally unstable as she is.0 -
I totally agree.One more thing. I always remember my Uncle Jim telling me when I was very young -- "A young man should never stike a lady, but a woman that hits a man is no lady."0 -
I have 5 sons and we have taught our boys to protect females and to protect kids that get picked on at school. On many occasions they have stood up for the picked on kids...mostly in the locker rooms is where a lot of this occurs.
But, when my third son was in the 4th grade, he had three girls that were messing with him. These were BIG girls. Much bigger than I am. They would bump him, punch him, slap him. He came home and just told us that he was tired of it. He knows that he is not suppose to hit girls, but they would not stop. So, we told him to let the teacher know (he is a friend and our sons play sports together) that if these girls did not stop, that he had permission from his parents to punch them in the nose.
The teacher told the girls to stop. That he was tired of it and next time, he was going to hit them. The teacher did tell my son to not punch their nose, because it would be too bloody!! haha!
Anyway, the girls did not stop. So, he hauled off and punched one girl. Not in the face, but hard enough for her to get the message. And the bullying stopped.
It is sad that it had to come to this, but I can tell you...my sons are not going to be bullied by anyone....not even girls!!!0 -
That's why I think the relative strength differences, as a result of sexual dimorphism, are critical to the argument as to whether or not is okay for a man to hit a woman who hits him first. A 10-year-old knows that hitting people is not acceptable. Would you hit a 10-year-old who slapped you? Of course not. Why? Because he's a kid, and you know you could seriously hurt him. I don't really see the difference between that and a bigger, stronger man hitting a woman.
Not even remotely the same thing. A child lacks the ability to foresee consequences or curb emotions as well as adults. If a woman hits a man, she should rightfully expect to be hit back.0 -
That's why I think the relative strength differences, as a result of sexual dimorphism, are critical to the argument as to whether or not is okay for a man to hit a woman who hits him first. A 10-year-old knows that hitting people is not acceptable. Would you hit a 10-year-old who slapped you? Of course not. Why? Because he's a kid, and you know you could seriously hurt him. I don't really see the difference between that and a bigger, stronger man hitting a woman.
Not even remotely the same thing. A child lacks the ability to foresee consequences or curb emotions as well as adults. If a woman hits a man, she should rightfully expect to be hit back.
Ha, if my boyfriends 7 year old decided to hit me out of anger one day, you bet your a** I'd hit him back. Hard enough for it to hurt and then say "I don't like how it feels either.". They get the point really quick.0 -
Because it's socially acceptable seeing as most men could easily overpower a woman-which is why some people may manipulate that leverage to get a guy to hit them, then call the cops.0
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That's not an excuse for women to slap men; I'm just saying, if they do, that's not a good enough reason for a real man to hit back. If she's kicking your tail, and you actually NEED to defend yourself from harm, go right ahead. But if she didn't actually hurt you, and you're just hitting her because you're pissed that she hit you, that makes you just as emotionally unstable as she is.
I get we're in a world were double standards protect this kind of behavior but come on... The 'good enough reason' is really if she strikes him first. Most men WILL show restraint, I'm sure. I was raised to respect women but that kind of rationale might make some women assume there's this blanket of protection (you're not supposed to hit a girl!!) which isn't taught as many men as you're expect.
Trust me, I've worked around a lot of men who'd knock a woman's head off; I wouldn't roll the dice.0 -
Media isn't the best place to look if you are seeking morals or societally accepted norms.
I have never heard of it being okay (outside the media) for a woman to slap a man.
The reason the media uses this is to get a reaction out of people. That's what people want to see, so that's what they make. Even television focuses on this stuff: My Strange Addiction, Toddlers and Tiaras, Jersey Shore, etc.0 -
I think a lot of women underestimate themselves as well.
I used to train for Tae-Kwon-Do with one of my best friends and she was mental when it came to sparring. I think she honestly didn't know how hard she could hit and kick0 -
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.0 -
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.
Just curious if you could clarify what baffles you? The poster you quoted who stated they don't think women should have the right to drinking...or that a lot of women "act like men."0 -
I think it's better just to take gender out of the equation...
If I hit a 250 pound woman - I don't expect her not to hit me back just because I'm smaller, so why should I expect that of a man? Why should anybody wait till the other person is "kicking their tail"? If someone hit's me I will defend myself whether they are smaller and weaker or not. I'm not going to let it get to the point where they are actually beating me to a pulp. Hitting someone bigger and stronger than you is stupid, as are all acts of initiating violence. Some people learn the hard way. Not all women are weak little helpless creatures either and some are quite strong and some quite large. Bottom line is - It doesn't matter - Don't hit people. Period.0 -
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.
Just curious if you could clarify what baffles you? The poster you quoted who stated they don't think women should have the right to drinking...or that a lot of women "act like men."
it baffles me because this implies that if a woman gets low-down, drunk or viscious, then she's acting like a man. so it must be acceptable for men to act this way, save the gentlemen? and the drinking comment was kind of weird too. i'm not sure how this is being seen as a good argument for double standards.0 -
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.
Just curious if you could clarify what baffles you? The poster you quoted who stated they don't think women should have the right to drinking...or that a lot of women "act like men."
it baffles me because this implies that if a woman gets low-down, drunk or viscious, then she's acting like a man. so it must be acceptable for men to act this way, save the gentlemen? and the drinking comment was kind of weird too. i'm not sure how this is being seen as a good argument for double standards.
I wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who read that statement and got offended. I agree, not a good example.0 -
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.
Just curious if you could clarify what baffles you? The poster you quoted who stated they don't think women should have the right to drinking...or that a lot of women "act like men."
it baffles me because this implies that if a woman gets low-down, drunk or viscious, then she's acting like a man. so it must be acceptable for men to act this way, save the gentlemen? and the drinking comment was kind of weird too. i'm not sure how this is being seen as a good argument for double standards.
I think what he was saying wasn't that women shouldn't be allowed to drink, but that they drink AS MUCH as men - given that men have a higher tolerance level in general that means that women will be drunker than a man at that point.
So where as men who have had too much to drink may change from gentlemen into not-so-nice men, women when acting like men would do well to act like gentlemen rather than not-so-nice men.
In other words - it used to be that women would act one way and men another. That line is thinning out and we are becoming drastically equal, which leads to some women acting in a way they should not act (by which I mean no one should act) and justifying that by saying that men act that way also. But they aren't comparing themselves against gentlemen, but against violent drunken idiots.0 -
I don't hit my boyfriend and my boyfriend doesn't hit me.0
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I have 5 sons and we have taught our boys to protect females and to protect kids that get picked on at school. On many occasions they have stood up for the picked on kids...mostly in the locker rooms is where a lot of this occurs.
But, when my third son was in the 4th grade, he had three girls that were messing with him. These were BIG girls. Much bigger than I am. They would bump him, punch him, slap him. He came home and just told us that he was tired of it. He knows that he is not suppose to hit girls, but they would not stop. So, we told him to let the teacher know (he is a friend and our sons play sports together) that if these girls did not stop, that he had permission from his parents to punch them in the nose.
The teacher told the girls to stop. That he was tired of it and next time, he was going to hit them. The teacher did tell my son to not punch their nose, because it would be too bloody!! haha!
Anyway, the girls did not stop. So, he hauled off and punched one girl. Not in the face, but hard enough for her to get the message. And the bullying stopped.
It is sad that it had to come to this, but I can tell you...my sons are not going to be bullied by anyone....not even girls!!!
I always went right for the nose. (It was always in situations where either they were picking on my brother or hitting me first.) In today's world, I'm sure that I'd have ended up in suspension or worse.0 -
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.
Just curious if you could clarify what baffles you? The poster you quoted who stated they don't think women should have the right to drinking...or that a lot of women "act like men."
it baffles me because this implies that if a woman gets low-down, drunk or viscious, then she's acting like a man. so it must be acceptable for men to act this way, save the gentlemen? and the drinking comment was kind of weird too. i'm not sure how this is being seen as a good argument for double standards.
Clearly misunderstanding.In other words - it used to be that women would act one way and men another. That line is thinning out and we are becoming drastically equal, which leads to some women acting in a way they should not act (by which I mean no one should act) and justifying that by saying that men act that way also. But they aren't comparing themselves against gentlemen, but against violent drunken idiots.
This ^^^0 -
we could all hit ourselves and call it good...
nevermind. just imagine for yourselves edward norton repeatedly punching himself in the face.0 -
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The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.
Just curious if you could clarify what baffles you? The poster you quoted who stated they don't think women should have the right to drinking...or that a lot of women "act like men."
it baffles me because this implies that if a woman gets low-down, drunk or viscious, then she's acting like a man. so it must be acceptable for men to act this way, save the gentlemen? and the drinking comment was kind of weird too. i'm not sure how this is being seen as a good argument for double standards.
I wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who read that statement and got offended. I agree, not a good example.
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