Absorption of fat molecules into fat cells...anyone know?
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My point from putting the both studies up is that it has been proven significant... it has also been proven insignificant... those are the FACTS!!! My point when posting here has not been to convert people to an i-lipo religion, but just to let people know it has been proven to work!! There are so many medical procedures that people have everyday that do not always work... chemo being one!
Research and experience is what people should be basing their opinions on... not by guestimating and assuming! A fact for me is that is has worked... but everybody is different and I guess it may not work for another!
You may say... it's the diet and the exercises... I'm sorry I don't have a clone so that I could have done a real controlled study, but all I know is that after months of diet and exercise, an opportunity arose to try something different, in a targeted area which saw minimal inch loss,... and I took it! I am happy with my purchase and to all those who are not so rigid and are open minded... I would recommend it, even if a taster session to see how it goes for you!0 -
Look I think many of us here are being quite rude and inappropriate. The boards are meant to encourage others, not put them down. It is up to each person to decide how they want to lose weight, and while we may not agree with it, there's not point in being so degrading to fellow members.
That being said, I do not have any knowledge on the i-Lipo procedures, but I do know that it said worldwide by professionals that simple diet and exercise, along with a large dose of discipline and determination, is really your best route. Fat accumulates unless you burn it off, and removing through other methods is only temporary. The healthiest way to do so is through proper diet and exercise.
thank you... agreed! I do both healthy proper diet and exercise and it was a friend who recommended it, as it worked for her! I just dipped my toe in with some taster sessions, just to try it out... why not!? I like to know that I have tried different things 'safe', so i can recommend to others... i like having an opinion on something I have tried, rather than make up my opinions based on assumptions... call me a scientist if you will! I'm just someone who likes having informed opinions and who doesn; enjoy being ignorant to new things!
I will enjoy my non-pricey placebo with great joy, while riding that unicorn with a smaller size trousers on!!
Thanks for all the support... it really is encouraging... !!
You only believe in things you try because you're a scientist?
Did you test gravity? Have you looked through a microscope at your cells to see how they live and function? How are your hypotheses on evolution coming?0 -
A lot of you are extremely rude to these women. Its a free country and good for them for trying something that makes them feel better about themselves. I saw an episode on Dr Oz about the treatments and if I had the money I would do it too!!! In fact, most of these mean people who are attacking these women wouldn't turn down 6 free sessions, now would they? The only thing that has worked for me has been diet and exercise but I would jump on board to try those treatments, so you go girls, make yourself happy and don't listen to people who are negative.
Dr. Oz is a quack and a media *kitten*. He'll hawk anything that pays him to do so. I wouldn't do something on his recommendation, and I wouldn't do one free session of this program. It isn't doing anything that eating less and moving more isn't doing for me already.
Maybe that is true, although he is an actual doctor so I would rather listen to him over you, but I am not sure how being mean to someone who wants to try something different is approapriate. She is doing her thing and you can do yours. She has lost 30 lbs so I think whatever she is doing is working for her.
Michael Jacksons doctor was also an "actual doctor".....0 -
Look I think many of us here are being quite rude and inappropriate. The boards are meant to encourage others, not put them down. It is up to each person to decide how they want to lose weight, and while we may not agree with it, there's not point in being so degrading to fellow members.
That being said, I do not have any knowledge on the i-Lipo procedures, but I do know that it said worldwide by professionals that simple diet and exercise, along with a large dose of discipline and determination, is really your best route. Fat accumulates unless you burn it off, and removing through other methods is only temporary. The healthiest way to do so is through proper diet and exercise.
thank you... agreed! I do both healthy proper diet and exercise and it was a friend who recommended it, as it worked for her! I just dipped my toe in with some taster sessions, just to try it out... why not!? I like to know that I have tried different things 'safe', so i can recommend to others... i like having an opinion on something I have tried, rather than make up my opinions based on assumptions... call me a scientist if you will! I'm just someone who likes having informed opinions and who doesn; enjoy being ignorant to new things!
I will enjoy my non-pricey placebo with great joy, while riding that unicorn with a smaller size trousers on!!
Thanks for all the support... it really is encouraging... !!
You only believe in things you try because you're a scientist?
Did you test gravity? Have you looked through a microscope at your cells to see how they live and function? How are your hypotheses on evolution coming?
Yes i am a scientist, yes I have tested gravity... everyday... yes i have looked through a microscope at my cells to see how they live and function.
To be honest the hypotheses on evolution need some work, i'm not putting as much work into them, as i've been on MFP talking to ignoramuses!
Any more questions?0 -
Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!
It doesn't matter. The exercise will do exactly what it would without the "treatment." Burn calories.0 -
Look I think many of us here are being quite rude and inappropriate. The boards are meant to encourage others, not put them down. It is up to each person to decide how they want to lose weight, and while we may not agree with it, there's not point in being so degrading to fellow members.
That being said, I do not have any knowledge on the i-Lipo procedures, but I do know that it said worldwide by professionals that simple diet and exercise, along with a large dose of discipline and determination, is really your best route. Fat accumulates unless you burn it off, and removing through other methods is only temporary. The healthiest way to do so is through proper diet and exercise.
thank you... agreed! I do both healthy proper diet and exercise and it was a friend who recommended it, as it worked for her! I just dipped my toe in with some taster sessions, just to try it out... why not!? I like to know that I have tried different things 'safe', so i can recommend to others... i like having an opinion on something I have tried, rather than make up my opinions based on assumptions... call me a scientist if you will! I'm just someone who likes having informed opinions and who doesn; enjoy being ignorant to new things!
I will enjoy my non-pricey placebo with great joy, while riding that unicorn with a smaller size trousers on!!
Thanks for all the support... it really is encouraging... !!
You only believe in things you try because you're a scientist?
Did you test gravity? Have you looked through a microscope at your cells to see how they live and function? How are your hypotheses on evolution coming?
Yes i am a scientist, yes I have tested gravity... everyday... yes i have looked through a microscope at my cells to see how they live and function.
To be honest the hypotheses on evolution need some work, i'm not putting as much work into them, as i've been on MFP talking to ignoramuses!
Any more questions?
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well this got mature real quick
going for a shower...washing away that fat....have fun kids0 -
Conclusion
These data reveal that the circumferential reduction exhibited following LLLT is not attributable to fluid or fat relocation as all measurement points, including nontreated regions, reported an inch loss. Lasers Surg. Med. © 2012 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.
Including nontreated regions.
Isn't this studies conclusion contradicting what you are saying...Meaning they lost inches overall, NOT only on areas treated by the laser.
Yes. It is. It's also not a double-blind study published in a scholarly journal but a pop-sci trade journal article relating some non-peer-reviewed "research."0 -
well this got mature real quick
going for a shower...washing away that fat....have fun kids
MY MOTHER ALWAYS SAID 'ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer...' It was immature from way back... haha!0 -
Conclusion
These data reveal that the circumferential reduction exhibited following LLLT is not attributable to fluid or fat relocation as all measurement points, including nontreated regions, reported an inch loss. Lasers Surg. Med. © 2012 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.
Including nontreated regions.
Isn't this studies conclusion contradicting what you are saying...Meaning they lost inches overall, NOT only on areas treated by the laser.
Yes. It is. It's also not a double-blind study published in a scholarly journal but a pop-sci trade journal article relating some non-peer-reviewed "research."
I agree that it refutes what has been said... funny how nobody has commented on the peer reviewed research journal article.... just the one who disproves... just saying!0 -
Edit: wrong post sorry0
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The lady that thinks you can laser away fat thinks Evolution is a hypothesis? Why am I not surprised?0
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Can I just jump in and explain something?
Go for it.To the poster who said they lose 2 inches after a hours running...good for you! You are very lucky. Most average people won't. Although I reckon it's all water loss and the second you drink any liquid, the inches come back on. If not, again, you are very lucky!
Damn straight they were.To the poster who said it's more the 30mins of cardio that contribute to the inch loss, no, it's the fact that your fat cells are no longer holding the fat and are less voluminous. The cardio is to burn the fatty acids that have been released into your blood stream as enery, otherwise they will just be reabsorbed as normal and go back into the fat cells.
You can't "release" fat from fat cells by lasering the skin above it, so it's not necessary to burn it up from your bloodstream. Your body will burn it just fine where it's at.To all you posters who think that over 6 weeks doing diet and exercise will give you the same results, no they won't because this is TARGETED inch loss from specific areas of your body. I have lost nearly 30lbs since August, which is amazing to me, and I've lost inches from everywhere, EXCEPT my stomach, as this is typically the last place on MY BODY that the fat stored is used as energy. If you've seen the picture of me in that god awful red dress that I wish I'd never worn, you will see how much my stomach sticks out, and I hate it.
Nonsense. You can target loss of inches by targeted toning exercises. As I mentioned, you can't "release" fat by lasering the skin above it.To the posters who think I, or anyone else is wasting our money, fair enough, but that's only if it DOESN'T WORK. I am not going to stop dieting and exercising, that's not why I'm doing this. I'm not replacing diet and exercise with a quick fix, I have been given the opportunity to, for a much smaller fee thanks to groupon, see for myself that this works. And if it does, you can be damn sure I will recommend it to anyone else who wishes their little pocket of unmoveable fat would just go away.
And that's a big part of the problem. Since you'll be dieting and exercising while you do this, it is impossible to say which causes the loss of any inches. Personally, I'd bet on the known-to-work diet and exercise.And I think anyone who needs to lose weight and says they would turn down surgery (invasive or non-invasive) for a sliver of the price it usually costs is lying (unless they are genuinely afraid of surgery). I was like that several years ago (I will never ever use surgery for any reason!) - of course, I was young and didn't have wobbly bits apart from my bosom.
What would you say was "non-invasive surgery?" Isn't surgery, by definition, invasive? And I'm NOT young and have lots of "wobbly bits," and I can well-afford surgery, but I could and have turned it down. It really doesn't fix anything. It's about health, not appearance, and surgery won't fix that.And finally, for those posters who say Dr. Oz is a quack...who is Dr. Oz? Is he like Dr. Dre? I am from the UK where our doctors don't usually advertise quick fixes on the telly. Also, by the way, i-lipo in this country has thus far been word of mouth. It's not advertised on the telly/radio. I was put onto it by someone else who was told about it, etc etc.
Dr. Oz is a doctor with a TV show in the US. He's very opinionated about health. Check out http://www.doctoroz.com if you're interested in some of his health opinions.
And ask yourself, if this is a safe and healthy way to lose weight, why don't doctors tell you about it? If it could improve your health, why wouldn't they?AND FINALLY FINALLY - can any of the posters HONESTLY say that in their lives they have NEVER tried any so-called 'quick fixes'?? Slendertone? Slimming tablets? Thigh-buster? 7-minute abs????
You are mixing science with nonsense. Slendertone, and other slimming tablets are nonsense. Thigh-buster and 7 Minute Abs are exercises and would provide targeted toning=real science.And to everyone who posted their opinion of the procedure, you are entitled to your opinion, but NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION! Lol!
How would one answer the question when the entire proposal is based on something impossible? There is no answer to your question, because it's impossible for fatty acids to be released into your bloodstream from fat cells, by using a laser on your skin.0 -
The lady that thinks you can laser away fat thinks Evolution is a hypothesis? Why am I not surprised?
Yes evolution is a hypothesis invented by the dinosaurs on planet nubaru...
I did not introduce the concept... READ BACK!
The imbecilic nature of your post has astounded me into extreme laughter... so much so my abs are getting a mad work out and I can only thank you for that!
Excuse me. You're right. The wording was from a previous poster. I somehow doubt it was that funny though.0 -
Can I just jump in and explain something?
Go for it.To the poster who said they lose 2 inches after a hours running...good for you! You are very lucky. Most average people won't. Although I reckon it's all water loss and the second you drink any liquid, the inches come back on. If not, again, you are very lucky!
Damn straight they were.To the poster who said it's more the 30mins of cardio that contribute to the inch loss, no, it's the fact that your fat cells are no longer holding the fat and are less voluminous. The cardio is to burn the fatty acids that have been released into your blood stream as enery, otherwise they will just be reabsorbed as normal and go back into the fat cells.
You can't "release" fat from fat cells by lasering the skin above it, so it's not necessary to burn it up from your bloodstream. Your body will burn it just fine where it's at.To all you posters who think that over 6 weeks doing diet and exercise will give you the same results, no they won't because this is TARGETED inch loss from specific areas of your body. I have lost nearly 30lbs since August, which is amazing to me, and I've lost inches from everywhere, EXCEPT my stomach, as this is typically the last place on MY BODY that the fat stored is used as energy. If you've seen the picture of me in that god awful red dress that I wish I'd never worn, you will see how much my stomach sticks out, and I hate it.
Nonsense. You can target loss of inches by targeted toning exercises. As I mentioned, you can't "release" fat by lasering the skin above it.To the posters who think I, or anyone else is wasting our money, fair enough, but that's only if it DOESN'T WORK. I am not going to stop dieting and exercising, that's not why I'm doing this. I'm not replacing diet and exercise with a quick fix, I have been given the opportunity to, for a much smaller fee thanks to groupon, see for myself that this works. And if it does, you can be damn sure I will recommend it to anyone else who wishes their little pocket of unmoveable fat would just go away.
And that's a big part of the problem. Since you'll be dieting and exercising while you do this, it is impossible to say which causes the loss of any inches. Personally, I'd bet on the known-to-work diet and exercise.And I think anyone who needs to lose weight and says they would turn down surgery (invasive or non-invasive) for a sliver of the price it usually costs is lying (unless they are genuinely afraid of surgery). I was like that several years ago (I will never ever use surgery for any reason!) - of course, I was young and didn't have wobbly bits apart from my bosom.
What would you say was "non-invasive surgery?" Isn't surgery, by definition, invasive? And I'm NOT young and have lots of "wobbly bits," and I can well-afford surgery, but I could and have turned it down. It really doesn't fix anything. It's about health, not appearance, and surgery won't fix that.And finally, for those posters who say Dr. Oz is a quack...who is Dr. Oz? Is he like Dr. Dre? I am from the UK where our doctors don't usually advertise quick fixes on the telly. Also, by the way, i-lipo in this country has thus far been word of mouth. It's not advertised on the telly/radio. I was put onto it by someone else who was told about it, etc etc.
Dr. Oz is a doctor with a TV show in the US. He's very opinionated about health. Check out http://www.doctoroz.com if you're interested in some of his health opinions.
And ask yourself, if this is a safe and healthy way to lose weight, why don't doctors tell you about it? If it could improve your health, why wouldn't they?AND FINALLY FINALLY - can any of the posters HONESTLY say that in their lives they have NEVER tried any so-called 'quick fixes'?? Slendertone? Slimming tablets? Thigh-buster? 7-minute abs????
You are mixing science with nonsense. Slendertone, and other slimming tablets are nonsense. Thigh-buster and 7 Minute Abs are exercises and would provide targeted toning=real science.And to everyone who posted their opinion of the procedure, you are entitled to your opinion, but NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION! Lol!
How would one answer the question when the entire proposal is based on something impossible? There is no answer to your question, because it's impossible for fatty acids to be released into your bloodstream from fat cells, by using a laser on your skin.
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OK, so here's hoping I don't get slated for posting something that is not directly answering the question, or quite possibly not the soundest scientific research but this short article does talk about the importance of diet and exercise following regular lipo and the problems with gaining fat back that can occur.
http://graemethomasonline.com/liposuction-an-expensive-lesson-in-failure-to-change/0 -
OK, so here's hoping I don't get slated for posting something that is not directly answering the question, or quite possibly not the soundest scientific research but this short article does talk about the importance of diet and exercise following regular lipo and the problems with gaining fat back that can occur.
http://graemethomasonline.com/liposuction-an-expensive-lesson-in-failure-to-change/
Excellent... an opinion backed up with something! Thanks for this... just to say there are as many articles that say it does work... just as many in fact that say it doesn't. I was aware of most of this stuff before I made the decision to take on the procedure, and one of the reasons for targeting the abdomen was that if this theory is correct as stated in the research and in your article... if the fat is removed from a stubborn area and over time displaced somewhere else, it will be .... in theory it may be easier to loose from this other area.
Anyway, that is related to invasive surgery... i guess more research needs to be conducted in the non-invasive arena.0 -
There is an FDA approved version of this in the U.S... more research...
http://www.myzerona.com/professional/clinial-research0 -
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Using another analogy, a child goes up to their parent and asks, 'Will it be sunny tomorrow? I want to go to the park and buy an ice cream' and the parent says 'you're wasting your money', that's not helping the child. That doesn't answer his question and makes him feel small. I asked a scientific question and did not expect a barrage of 'you're wasting your money' from anyone. I was expecting no answers, a couple of helpful answers or links to helpful websites (of which I did get a few - but they too didn't answer my question). The opinions on the treatment was not necessary, and certainly not in the way most of the posters have written them.
OH NOW I get it! The My Little Ponies should have put all of us on to it sooner! We thought you were a grownup and would understand SCIENCE!
AGAIN, THERE IS NO ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO "RELEASE FATTY ACIDS FROM FAT CELLS WITH A LASER!0 -
There is an FDA approved version of this in the U.S... more research...
http://www.myzerona.com/professional/clinial-research
Actually, if you look at the "research" they are quoting the same non-peer-reviewed, non-controlled studies as the other. No new "research" at all, just "same stuff, different day." And no where on their site does it mention that it's FDA approved.0 -
Another link to the same, non-peer-reviewed, uncontrolled "research" as the first. Look at the authors and "journal" name. "Same stuff, different day."0 -
Can I just jump in and explain something?
Go for it.To the poster who said they lose 2 inches after a hours running...good for you! You are very lucky. Most average people won't. Although I reckon it's all water loss and the second you drink any liquid, the inches come back on. If not, again, you are very lucky!
Damn straight they were.To the poster who said it's more the 30mins of cardio that contribute to the inch loss, no, it's the fact that your fat cells are no longer holding the fat and are less voluminous. The cardio is to burn the fatty acids that have been released into your blood stream as enery, otherwise they will just be reabsorbed as normal and go back into the fat cells.
You can't "release" fat from fat cells by lasering the skin above it, so it's not necessary to burn it up from your bloodstream. Your body will burn it just fine where it's at.To all you posters who think that over 6 weeks doing diet and exercise will give you the same results, no they won't because this is TARGETED inch loss from specific areas of your body. I have lost nearly 30lbs since August, which is amazing to me, and I've lost inches from everywhere, EXCEPT my stomach, as this is typically the last place on MY BODY that the fat stored is used as energy. If you've seen the picture of me in that god awful red dress that I wish I'd never worn, you will see how much my stomach sticks out, and I hate it.
Nonsense. You can target loss of inches by targeted toning exercises. As I mentioned, you can't "release" fat by lasering the skin above it.To the posters who think I, or anyone else is wasting our money, fair enough, but that's only if it DOESN'T WORK. I am not going to stop dieting and exercising, that's not why I'm doing this. I'm not replacing diet and exercise with a quick fix, I have been given the opportunity to, for a much smaller fee thanks to groupon, see for myself that this works. And if it does, you can be damn sure I will recommend it to anyone else who wishes their little pocket of unmoveable fat would just go away.
And that's a big part of the problem. Since you'll be dieting and exercising while you do this, it is impossible to say which causes the loss of any inches. Personally, I'd bet on the known-to-work diet and exercise.And I think anyone who needs to lose weight and says they would turn down surgery (invasive or non-invasive) for a sliver of the price it usually costs is lying (unless they are genuinely afraid of surgery). I was like that several years ago (I will never ever use surgery for any reason!) - of course, I was young and didn't have wobbly bits apart from my bosom.
What would you say was "non-invasive surgery?" Isn't surgery, by definition, invasive? And I'm NOT young and have lots of "wobbly bits," and I can well-afford surgery, but I could and have turned it down. It really doesn't fix anything. It's about health, not appearance, and surgery won't fix that.And finally, for those posters who say Dr. Oz is a quack...who is Dr. Oz? Is he like Dr. Dre? I am from the UK where our doctors don't usually advertise quick fixes on the telly. Also, by the way, i-lipo in this country has thus far been word of mouth. It's not advertised on the telly/radio. I was put onto it by someone else who was told about it, etc etc.
Dr. Oz is a doctor with a TV show in the US. He's very opinionated about health. Check out http://www.doctoroz.com if you're interested in some of his health opinions.
And ask yourself, if this is a safe and healthy way to lose weight, why don't doctors tell you about it? If it could improve your health, why wouldn't they?AND FINALLY FINALLY - can any of the posters HONESTLY say that in their lives they have NEVER tried any so-called 'quick fixes'?? Slendertone? Slimming tablets? Thigh-buster? 7-minute abs????
You are mixing science with nonsense. Slendertone, and other slimming tablets are nonsense. Thigh-buster and 7 Minute Abs are exercises and would provide targeted toning=real science.And to everyone who posted their opinion of the procedure, you are entitled to your opinion, but NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION! Lol!
How would one answer the question when the entire proposal is based on something impossible? There is no answer to your question, because it's impossible for fatty acids to be released into your bloodstream from fat cells, by using a laser on your skin.
Touché
Touche. I do not think it means what you think it means.0 -
Oh no...let's be clear, I was completely making fun of you and laughing about it. I guess you can't read sarcasm when you read it...perhaps they misfired the laser and killed that part of your brain. Go ahead, 'take the mick' again.
So someone zapping fat cells with a laser makes you feel refreshed? Very interesting placebo effect, indeed. Carry on.LMAO! This is so funny... I just came back from my last session of i-lipo!! It was a riveting experience... I feel so good and refreshed after the results!!!
To those people with their wikipedia knowledge... have you not heard of the lymphatic system?? Why is this basic concept so hard for people to understand!
Anyway, I will continue to get pleasure reading these comments... guised as 'help and support'! You people are the best!!!!
I was taking the mick,... can't you hear sarcasm when you read it... people are soooo serious on here! It is laughable! ...and i won;t carry on as it was my last session!!0 -
Okay... so if I ignore the fact that we're talking about lasering fatty acids out of adipocytes (fat cells)... and if I address the question the op was hoping to get addressed, aka, how fast are fatty acids moved from the blood and into fat tissue:
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000324
According to that particular article, the answer is: Researchers don't *really* know because of technical difficulties. They can't really measure the speed in people.
They probably can measure it in cultured cells (cells in a petri dish), but alas, that's not always applicable when you start looking at people.0 -
I work in a Wellness Center and as part of the hospital end of it, we do work with people who have had bariatric or lap band surgery procedures to help them lose weight through the exercises programs we provide. That said, our obesity center DOE NOT endorse iLipo, but Zerona which is an actual laser procedure. I do know that our staff here doesn't tout procedures that don't work, so my thinking is that if iLipo really worked, it would be part of our program.
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It sounds like they are just using a laser on ya and you are exercising the fat away. If exercise is so important to metabolize the fat in the blood within a certain time period why do they not have a gym on site for you to use? I like how in the advertisements the say "melt the fat away with lasers" and also love the "photobiomodulation" which only means low level laser light. Mabey they could combine hair removal with the lipo and kill 2 birds with one stone...crap there goes my million dollar scam.....0
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And I think anyone who needs to lose weight and says they would turn down surgery (invasive or non-invasive) for a sliver of the price it usually costs is lying (unless they are genuinely afraid of surgery). I was like that several years ago (I will never ever use surgery for any reason!) - of course, I was young and didn't have wobbly bits apart from my bosom.
Really? I even turned down spinal surgery for a back injury. Glad I did because it healed up just fine on its own, although it took a lot longer to do so, and I don't have three fused vertebrae in my back to deal with. And turned down recommended thyroid removal surgery for a potentially cancerous nodule. That was almost 25 years ago. Still alive, no cancer, and the thyroid is functioning just fine. Not afraid. Just don't see cutting up my body for something that doesn't make sense. Surgery for looks doesn't make sense to me either.Slendertone? Slimming tablets? Thigh-buster? 7-minute abs????
Nope, nope, and nope. Was dumb enough to do Medifast about 20 years ago. First and last time I'll fall for anything like that. And on the advice of a doctor to boot. I changed doctors.0 -
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