Should men get paternity leave from work?
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You can't be serious that men only get paternity leave to take care of the mother. That's just silly.Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
I have no idea if you are being serious or not, but that is a stupid thing to say. Men don't get paternity leave to look after the baby. They get it to look after the mother who will for the first few days (or weeks in a surgical birth) not be able to do anything. I was in hospital for 5 days when our son was born, and that was after 2 days of labour. So that was a week my husband need off for a start. Then I wasn't allowed to lift anything for another 2 weeks, including the baby I had just given birth to. I had metal staples in my abdomen literally holding my insides in, and couldn't walk more than 10m without heavy bleeding and being at risk of fainting.
Men should have a MINIMUM of 2 weeks off to make sure the mother of their child is well enough to start doing it on her own.0 -
Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
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Can't tell if joking.
I have determined there is not enough drama in this thread so I posted something moronic to get the ball rolling. Carry on.0 -
I think a week or two is usually sufficient. On an "as needed" basis, more time should be allowed if the mother has been seriously injured by the birth and is unable to care for herself and the baby. Men are morally obligated to support their families, and that means going to work!0
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Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
:squint:
Can't tell if joking.
I have determined there is not enough drama in this thread so I posted something moronic to get the ball rolling. Carry on.
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Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
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Can't tell if joking.
Good, very glad you aren't a moron.
I have determined there is not enough drama in this thread so I posted something moronic to get the ball rolling. Carry on.0 -
You can't be serious that men only get paternity leave to take care of the mother. That's just silly.Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
I have no idea if you are being serious or not, but that is a stupid thing to say. Men don't get paternity leave to look after the baby. They get it to look after the mother who will for the first few days (or weeks in a surgical birth) not be able to do anything. I was in hospital for 5 days when our son was born, and that was after 2 days of labour. So that was a week my husband need off for a start. Then I wasn't allowed to lift anything for another 2 weeks, including the baby I had just given birth to. I had metal staples in my abdomen literally holding my insides in, and couldn't walk more than 10m without heavy bleeding and being at risk of fainting.
Men should have a MINIMUM of 2 weeks off to make sure the mother of their child is well enough to start doing it on her own.
Well, actually, yes, that was the original reason for paternity leave. As I said in my first post, I think parental leave should be transferable between parents, and I think fathers should get more than they do.0 -
No employer is required to offer paid maternity leave. They are only required hold your job for 12 weeks of FMLA. Any extra leave is something they do by choice.
That being said, I think that all father's deserve the same thing that mothers get. There is a big adjustment that goes into bringing home a new child. It's not just about healing your body from giving birth.In the US, men are eligible for Family Medical Leave (unpaid, unless they choose to use paid time off, which is not required by employers to offer/allow), the same as women. Part of that Act is not just to physically heal yourself, but also to take care of family members, or bond with a new baby. This is goes for either a direct-born child or an adopted child. Not to mention, (most) new dad are also adjusting physically to a new schedule and new demand in the household, which can affect ther ability to perform on the job. I think it is a good thing for both mom and dad to take the time to get used to the new baby and get into the new routine.
Sorry... my HR hat slipped on there for a minute...
But if women get PAID maternity leave, do you think men should get PAID paternity leave? That's what I'm asking, I guess.
FMLA isn't paid.
I think there are two components to "paid" leave that need to be addressed:
1) Recovery
2) Time to adjust with newborn
If a company offers paid maternity leave, then they should offer some paid paternity leave for #2 as well.0 -
It already exists in Canada0
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I actually thought that paternity leave was originally intended to help with the care of the child and the mother's recovery (if necessary). Maybe I'm mistaken. If that's not the case, why would we also grant the same kind of leave in adoption situations?
I also thought it had to do with some kind of gender equity thing. Plus, who is supposed to take care of the newborn in a situation where two gay men use a surrogate if there is no paternity leave?You can't be serious that men only get paternity leave to take care of the mother. That's just silly.Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
I have no idea if you are being serious or not, but that is a stupid thing to say. Men don't get paternity leave to look after the baby. They get it to look after the mother who will for the first few days (or weeks in a surgical birth) not be able to do anything. I was in hospital for 5 days when our son was born, and that was after 2 days of labour. So that was a week my husband need off for a start. Then I wasn't allowed to lift anything for another 2 weeks, including the baby I had just given birth to. I had metal staples in my abdomen literally holding my insides in, and couldn't walk more than 10m without heavy bleeding and being at risk of fainting.
Men should have a MINIMUM of 2 weeks off to make sure the mother of their child is well enough to start doing it on her own.
Well, actually, yes, that was the original reason for paternity leave. As I said in my first post, I think parental leave should be transferable between parents, and I think fathers should get more than they do.0 -
I think a few days should be sufficient.. I mean they didn't blast the thing out of their crotch but they were involved in the baby making.
i have no opinion on this issue, but this is hilarious- "blast out of their crotch."0 -
Yes, maybe not nearly as much as women do but at least 1-2 weeks.0
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Only if they are to sign a contract which states that they will really help with the taking care of the baby and house during the time off. Write a duty log which the wife signs off each day.... LOL...0
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I live in Canada and the paternity leave can be taken by just the woman or just the man or it can be split between them. My husband and I split the leave, so he was home with me and our daughter for 2 months.
So yes, men should be allowed paternity leave.0 -
I don’t see why they would want it. You don’t get paid your full wage when you are out on maternity leave. I think its 65%, so if both parents take leave that is a 70% decrease in wages for the time they are out.
I guess if you can afford to do it then it’s a good idea, but I don’t think most people can.0 -
I took off 8 weeks and got paid the entire time on my first child and expect to take off 6 weeks this time with our child in August. It gave me time to bond with my daughter as well as gave my wife time to rest since she had a c-section, as she will again. It is very important.0
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A lot of witchy women on this thread. You can tell which posters like to have the power in the relationship instead of seeking a balance of mutual respect and sharing responsibility.0
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Absolutely, Momma takes care of baby. Daddy takes care of Momma. Or in some cases Daddy takes care of baby while Momma sleep.0
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When my first daughter was born my wife got her maternity leave, and I got two weeks paternity leave. It definitely eased the burden, as she had some complications and was able to get more bed rest with me available 24/7 for those weeks. I did not get the same option when my second daughter was born as I had moved to a different (and significantly smaller) company. I took one of my two weeks vacation to be home with them. Even though there were no complications this time my presence was definitely appreciated, as it gave my wife more time to rest.
If at all possible, I think the company should offer at least one week of paternity leave. If not, I highly recommend taking at least a week's vacation to be there for your wife.0 -
Sounds like you're happy with the American system.
This is such an ignorant view of Canada. We are FAR from being commies, we just take better care of our people! We happen to value life, health, family, and education, and we all pay to have these supports. Jealous? You should be, because we have all this AND FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!!!They already have that option here in Canaduh. Mat leave is 52 weeks paid (capped percentage of your prior income and your job must be held for you while you're gone. Men can take paternity leave but however many weeks they take is deducted from the mother's 52 weeks.
That's because yer a pack damn dirty commies!
Hmmm, ask the business owners who have to pay for all this federal overreach how much freedom they have when they are required by law to give employees 52 weeks off AND hold their jobs because they chose to have a baby.
I think a modest amount of paternity leave is a reasonable benefit for a company that seeks to attract and retain quality employees. I am not at all in favor of the government requiring it. That should be solely the decision of the person(s) who put everything on the line to build the business.
And btw, the employer doesn't pay, the government does...through taxes.
A good company is ones that supports families...which means they care about the future of their country. It takes a village to raise a child, not a daycare from 3 months to age 12 or whatever age kids can be home alone.0 -
A lot of witchy women on this thread. You can tell which posters like to have the power in the relationship instead of seeking a balance of mutual respect and sharing responsibility.
As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.0 -
Who in the h#@$ did you reproduce with? I guess some women just don't know how to pick a good dadOnly if they are to sign a contract which states that they will really help with the taking care of the baby and house during the time off. Write a duty log which the wife signs off each day.... LOL...0
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As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.
childbirth is not fun by any means...but its not THAT bad.0 -
I believe that the men should have paternity leave as well. When my son was born my husband was only allowed three days, and he had to take those out of his vacation in order to help me and to adjust to the new schedule. I worked at a place that had less than 50 employees and no medical insurance so nothing was covered, and I couldn't use sick or vacation time to cover my leave. I knew that I had a job when I went back but I still had to call almost everyday or my boss would call me to verify that I was coming back. The first few weeks were hard enough physically if my husband hadn't been there for the first few days I'm sure I would have either gone nuts, or over did it since I was suppose to be healing and I don't sit still very often.0
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I think they should get a week or two possibly paid so they can bond with baby and help mom while she is recovering anything more than that can be unpaid I think they have fmla they can take0
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We'd love to have you!I just want to say, YES, in answer to this question.
Here in Canada, a couple (if there is a couple) is given 12 months leave from work (with 80-85% pay covered by the federal government). This twelve months can be taken by either, or both parents. So, when my brother and his wife had their child, he took 6 months off and so did his wife, to equal twelve. Or, the mother can just take the twelve months, or, even the father can take the twelve months...I belive it's up to each couple.
When I had my daughter in the States, I was given 3 months mat leave, which I had used up before my daughter was even born (I had a very high-stress job that my doctor removed me from during the pregnancy). If I didn't have a husband, like I did, I have NO IDEA how I would've lived after that 3 months ran out...
As well, to only give a parent three months with a baby after it's born is ludicrous! At three months, babies are still so tiny and in need of being with their primary caregiver! As well, when I was down in the States, most daycare didn't accept babies until they were one year of age...So if a mom had to go back to work when her baby was 3 months old, and didn't have family to care for the baby, what the h. does she do? NO PARENT should be put in that situation!
Anyway, I am happy with the way it is here in Canada...it just seems like families are valued.
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wow 3 months here (the U.S) would be amazing! My youngest daughter got 6 weeks off last year and my middle daughter will get 12 weeks off this year with only 8 weeks paid. They both have to work to pay for unimportant things like health insurance, etc. We live in an insane country and if I could pick up all my loved ones and move.......I would!0 -
As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.
childbirth is not fun by any means...but its not THAT bad.
are you kidding? child birth can be horrible or great depending on what you have to go thru. for someone like me with toxemia and delivering early with NO pain medication I'd say it would not compare to anything else in the world then when your vagina rips and you feel it and they have to stich you back up oh yes, it's that bad. I can't beleive you would say that, you must not have children or you got an epidural0 -
As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.
childbirth is not fun by any means...but its not THAT bad.
are you kidding? child birth can be horrible or great depending on what you have to go thru. for someone like me with toxemia and delivering early with NO pain medication I'd say it would not compare to anything else in the world then when your vagina rips and you feel it and they have to stich you back up oh yes, it's that bad. I can't beleive you would say that, you must not have children or you got an epidural
actually i do have a child and he is five. like i said, its not fun at all, but its only a short term experience. i dont think its worse than being deployed to Iraq, but thats my opinion.0 -
I've lived and worked in both the US and Canada, and I paid just as much tax in the US (Illinois)...without the social benefits.So if the US were to offer the same options as Canada, what would that mean for us as taxpayers?0 -
I actually thought that paternity leave was originally intended to help with the care of the child and the mother's recovery (if necessary). Maybe I'm mistaken. If that's not the case, why would we also grant the same kind of leave in adoption situations?
I also thought it had to do with some kind of gender equity thing. Plus, who is supposed to take care of the newborn in a situation where two gay men use a surrogate if there is no paternity leave?You can't be serious that men only get paternity leave to take care of the mother. That's just silly.Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
I have no idea if you are being serious or not, but that is a stupid thing to say. Men don't get paternity leave to look after the baby. They get it to look after the mother who will for the first few days (or weeks in a surgical birth) not be able to do anything. I was in hospital for 5 days when our son was born, and that was after 2 days of labour. So that was a week my husband need off for a start. Then I wasn't allowed to lift anything for another 2 weeks, including the baby I had just given birth to. I had metal staples in my abdomen literally holding my insides in, and couldn't walk more than 10m without heavy bleeding and being at risk of fainting.
Men should have a MINIMUM of 2 weeks off to make sure the mother of their child is well enough to start doing it on her own.
Well, actually, yes, that was the original reason for paternity leave. As I said in my first post, I think parental leave should be transferable between parents, and I think fathers should get more than they do.
When I say originally, I mean pre-equality bills and gay rights.0 -
As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.
childbirth is not fun by any means...but its not THAT bad.
are you kidding? child birth can be horrible or great depending on what you have to go thru. for someone like me with toxemia and delivering early with NO pain medication I'd say it would not compare to anything else in the world then when your vagina rips and you feel it and they have to stich you back up oh yes, it's that bad. I can't beleive you would say that, you must not have children or you got an epidural
actually i do have a child and he is five. like i said, its not fun at all, but its only a short term experience. i dont think its worse than being deployed to Iraq, but thats my opinion.
No one is qualified to comment on how bad or not anyone else's birth experience is. It is totally individual. I could make a huge amount of assumptions based on my own experiences of one very very traumatic crash c-section, involving a lot of blood loss and near fatally low blood pressure for the following 12 hours, and one absolute walk in the park, 4 hour natural labour with no pain relief. But I won't, because everyone is different.
Unless you have nearly died of blood lost, and nearly lost your baby from a traumatic birth, how can you compare?0
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