Should men get paternity leave from work?
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As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.
childbirth is not fun by any means...but its not THAT bad.
are you kidding? child birth can be horrible or great depending on what you have to go thru. for someone like me with toxemia and delivering early with NO pain medication I'd say it would not compare to anything else in the world then when your vagina rips and you feel it and they have to stich you back up oh yes, it's that bad. I can't beleive you would say that, you must not have children or you got an epidural
actually i do have a child and he is five. like i said, its not fun at all, but its only a short term experience. i dont think its worse than being deployed to Iraq, but thats my opinion.
No one is qualified to comment on how bad or not anyone else's birth experience is. It is totally individual. I could make a huge amount of assumptions based on my own experiences of one very very traumatic crash c-section, involving a lot of blood loss and near fatally low blood pressure for the following 12 hours, and one absolute walk in the park, 4 hour natural labour with no pain relief. But I won't, because everyone is different.
Unless you have nearly died of blood lost, and nearly lost your baby from a traumatic birth, how can you compare?
*Because I like fanning flames*
The same could be said of doing a tour in Iraq.
Hell my friend was run over by a car when he was 8 and it took them 3 years to put him back together, so the same could be said for walking across the street.0 -
I don’t see why they would want it. You don’t get paid your full wage when you are out on maternity leave. I think its 65%, so if both parents take leave that is a 70% decrease in wages for the time they are out.
I guess if you can afford to do it then it’s a good idea, but I don’t think most people can.
Actually, that would still be a 35% wage decrease for their combined income...0 -
I don’t see why they would want it. You don’t get paid your full wage when you are out on maternity leave. I think its 65%, so if both parents take leave that is a 70% decrease in wages for the time they are out.
I guess if you can afford to do it then it’s a good idea, but I don’t think most people can.
Actually, that would still be a 35% wage decrease for their combined income...
That's about what it would have been for me. So I just took 12 weeks of vacation time (luckily I had a lot of time saved up), while my husband was given 4 weeks paid paternity leave from his employer. He got a hell of a deal!
I probably did do most of the baby care in those first few weeks, but he was a huge help. Nothing's more beautiful than a man who's willing to change diapers.
No way could I have done it alone! 0 -
This is such an ignorant view of Canada. We are FAR from being commies, we just take better care of our people! We happen to value life, health, family, and education, and we all pay to have these supports. Jealous? You should be, because we have all this AND FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!!!They already have that option here in Canaduh. Mat leave is 52 weeks paid (capped percentage of your prior income and your job must be held for you while you're gone. Men can take paternity leave but however many weeks they take is deducted from the mother's 52 weeks.
That's because yer a pack damn dirty commies!
Hmmm, ask the business owners who have to pay for all this federal overreach how much freedom they have when they are required by law to give employees 52 weeks off AND hold their jobs because they chose to have a baby.
I think a modest amount of paternity leave is a reasonable benefit for a company that seeks to attract and retain quality employees. I am not at all in favor of the government requiring it. That should be solely the decision of the person(s) who put everything on the line to build the business.
I am a small business owner. I understand your point. In fact, we just dealt with this issue. Small company, 4 employees who are essential to our daily operation. Our senior employee just had a baby and we were in a bit of a panic over what to do if he decided to take paternity leave. Although it's his right to do so, it would have crippled our company... he is very valuable to us (and treated as such). Luckily he just wanted a week to get his wife settled with their first baby. We were more than happy with his decision and worked it out with him so he wasn't without pay. For small companies this can create major issues. I don't begrudge a fathers right to spend time with their new baby, but the flip side is that trying to hire a "temp" licensed plumber would have been impossible!0 -
No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.0
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As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.
childbirth is not fun by any means...but its not THAT bad.
are you kidding? child birth can be horrible or great depending on what you have to go thru. for someone like me with toxemia and delivering early with NO pain medication I'd say it would not compare to anything else in the world then when your vagina rips and you feel it and they have to stich you back up oh yes, it's that bad. I can't beleive you would say that, you must not have children or you got an epidural
actually i do have a child and he is five. like i said, its not fun at all, but its only a short term experience. i dont think its worse than being deployed to Iraq, but thats my opinion.
No one is qualified to comment on how bad or not anyone else's birth experience is. It is totally individual. I could make a huge amount of assumptions based on my own experiences of one very very traumatic crash c-section, involving a lot of blood loss and near fatally low blood pressure for the following 12 hours, and one absolute walk in the park, 4 hour natural labour with no pain relief. But I won't, because everyone is different.
Unless you have nearly died of blood lost, and nearly lost your baby from a traumatic birth, how can you compare?
Sorry, you had such a bad experience. i had a beautiful delivery and i dont remember the pain as much as the happiness it brought.0 -
No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
I could make a whole bunch of sexist comments in response to this right now...but I like posting on this forum.0 -
here in québec dads get 2wk paid from their boss
and the women can share her wks with them, we have 1y off paid with the kids,
it's fun to share0 -
Im a stay at home dad right now so my answer is an obvious yes.0
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No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Very ignorant response here.0 -
I think men should get a week. Not the 6 weeks women get so their bodies can recover
You only get 6 weeks???? I wish your profile said your location. You get 52 weeks (1 year) in Canada. Only 15 weeks are paid, the rest you get through unemployment insurance which I believe is about 50% of your regular salary and your job is guaranteed for 1 year.
The purpose of leave is bonding not "recovery". Unless you have a c-section recovery isn't much (sure you can fight me on that if you wish, I don't have kids so I'm claiming to be 100% correct) hence men should get paternity if they chose. Many people do 6 months each, the first with the mom for breast-feeding purposes usually and the last 6 for dad to bond equally.
BTW, giving birth is free too! Yay free healthcare!
If you don't have this option (dad's staying home) I would recomend saving up your vacation time. My sister had a baby last August and the father took his full 6 weeks vaca in full at that time. No, not everyone in Canada has 6 weeks vaca, 4 weeks is the norm but he works for the gov't and is 40 so if you've worked most places for 10+ years you'd have 5 weeks + 1 carry over at least. It all depends on your industry/employer.0 -
No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Very ignorant response here.
Wow... I completely agree. This is a very ignorant response.0 -
No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Very ignorant response here.
Wow... I completely agree. This is a very ignorant response.
True but If I came from a place you only got 6 weeks mat leave I bet I would be angry and wouldnt share that time. 52 weeks, woo woo
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No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Oh my. I thought this was maybe someone trolling or just trying to start a flaming war, but I don't think so...... Wow....... just Wow.0 -
No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Have you ever passed a kidney stone?!!0 -
sure why not.0
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i think men should start carrying the babies. That's all I have to say about that.0
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Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
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Can't tell if joking.
I, also am not sure if this is a joke or not, but I do agree with it.0 -
I didn't know paternity leave existed before FMLA and equity rules. I thought before that fathers simply took vacation time to be with their families for whatever the reason. Maybe I'm confused.I actually thought that paternity leave was originally intended to help with the care of the child and the mother's recovery (if necessary). Maybe I'm mistaken. If that's not the case, why would we also grant the same kind of leave in adoption situations?
I also thought it had to do with some kind of gender equity thing. Plus, who is supposed to take care of the newborn in a situation where two gay men use a surrogate if there is no paternity leave?You can't be serious that men only get paternity leave to take care of the mother. That's just silly.Paternity leave is not needed.
Child care is woman's work.
I have no idea if you are being serious or not, but that is a stupid thing to say. Men don't get paternity leave to look after the baby. They get it to look after the mother who will for the first few days (or weeks in a surgical birth) not be able to do anything. I was in hospital for 5 days when our son was born, and that was after 2 days of labour. So that was a week my husband need off for a start. Then I wasn't allowed to lift anything for another 2 weeks, including the baby I had just given birth to. I had metal staples in my abdomen literally holding my insides in, and couldn't walk more than 10m without heavy bleeding and being at risk of fainting.
Men should have a MINIMUM of 2 weeks off to make sure the mother of their child is well enough to start doing it on her own.
Well, actually, yes, that was the original reason for paternity leave. As I said in my first post, I think parental leave should be transferable between parents, and I think fathers should get more than they do.
When I say originally, I mean pre-equality bills and gay rights.0 -
They already have that option here in Canaduh. Mat leave is 52 weeks paid (capped percentage of your prior income and your job must be held for you while you're gone. Men can take paternity leave but however many weeks they take is deducted from the mother's 52 weeks.
This is what I was going to say, yay for Canada!0 -
My ex's boss gave him two weeks off, as long as he got essential tasks done from home. I think it was a wonderful idea!
The military now allows for paternatty leave as well as "adoption acclimation time" as long as the mission doesn't preclude taking it. It stinks when a guy has to leave for a year and his kid was born last week, or when a mom has to ship out even though she just gave birth 6 weeks ago.0 -
I think men should get a week. Not the 6 weeks women get so their bodies can recover
You only get 6 weeks???? I wish your profile said your location. You get 52 weeks (1 year) in Canada. Only 15 weeks are paid, the rest you get through unemployment insurance which I believe is about 50% of your regular salary and your job is guaranteed for 1 year.
The purpose of leave is bonding not "recovery". Unless you have a c-section recovery isn't much (sure you can fight me on that if you wish, I don't have kids so I'm claiming to be 100% correct) hence men should get paternity if they chose. Many people do 6 months each, the first with the mom for breast-feeding purposes usually and the last 6 for dad to bond equally.
BTW, giving birth is free too! Yay free healthcare!
If you don't have this option (dad's staying home) I would recomend saving up your vacation time. My sister had a baby last August and the father took his full 6 weeks vaca in full at that time. No, not everyone in Canada has 6 weeks vaca, 4 weeks is the norm but he works for the gov't and is 40 so if you've worked most places for 10+ years you'd have 5 weeks + 1 carry over at least. It all depends on your industry/employer.
that's it...........I am moving to Canada!!
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They already have that option here in Canaduh. Mat leave is 52 weeks paid (capped percentage of your prior income and your job must be held for you while you're gone. Men can take paternity leave but however many weeks they take is deducted from the mother's 52 weeks.
WHATTTTT??????? We get 6! 9 max, but the last 3 are without pay!
Not many company's offer paid maternity leave. You just have your job held. I think women should get 9 weeks paid & men 3 weeks.0 -
No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Have you ever passed a kidney stone?!!
Yes, Have you ever had a baby???0 -
Just because men didn't have the baby doesn't mean they don't deserve bonding time with their baby and if i just had a baby having my guy around to help and bond as a family would be awesome!0
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No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Have you ever passed a kidney stone?!!
Yes, Have you ever had a baby???
No, or a kidney stone. Seemed as inane a comment at the time as what I responded to!!!0 -
No I dont think men should get paternity leave. Why should they. They aren't carring the baby, they aren't feeding the baby, they dont need to recover as a mother does. Men have it easy.
Have you ever passed a kidney stone?!!
Yes, Have you ever had a baby???
No, or a kidney stone. Seemed as inane a comment at the time as what I responded to!!!
It isn't as inane as it seems to the ignorant (I am not using that offensively, I mean that as a man you are necessarily ignorant of the physical nature of childbirth), until you have had a baby, you simply have absolutely no idea, not the tiniest clue, how much it knocks you for 6. There are no words to describe it. It takes 9 months to physically recover, and a good 18 months before you start getting your emotions back in order. It is a MASSIVE process to give birth. There really is no other experience you can compare it to. It isn't about the 4/8/24 hours you spend in labour. That is a drop in the ocean.0 -
As soon as your wife gives birth, you lose all rights in the relationship. Nothing you do, not even 3 tours in Iraq can compare to giving birth.
childbirth is not fun by any means...but its not THAT bad.
are you kidding? child birth can be horrible or great depending on what you have to go thru. for someone like me with toxemia and delivering early with NO pain medication I'd say it would not compare to anything else in the world then when your vagina rips and you feel it and they have to stich you back up oh yes, it's that bad. I can't beleive you would say that, you must not have children or you got an epidural
actually i do have a child and he is five. like i said, its not fun at all, but its only a short term experience. i dont think its worse than being deployed to Iraq, but thats my opinion.
yes a short term experience but the worst pain you can't ever even imagine. it has to be your experience b/c I don't agree with you on that. that type of pain is non comparable to anything else in this world in my opinion and experience.0
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