Why has cardio become a swear word on MFP all of a sudden?
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Have you not heard of deadlifts and squats?A lot of people that's pushing the "lift heavy" message loves to show pictures of their arms, so people can see their biceps and triceps, but what about their abs and legs? What is the heavy lifting doing for those areas?0 -
A lot of people that's pushing the "lift heavy" message loves to show pictures of their arms, so people can see their biceps and triceps, but what about their abs and legs? What is the heavy lifting doing for those areas?
Seriously!? :laugh:
Look, I know nothing I say is going to change your mind because you know your body and all, but I'm still going to post this for anyone on the fence with an open mind about things.
Heavy lifting has done amazing things for every inch of my body, not just my arms.
Not to mention that I went from running a 5k at a 9 minute mile pace to an 8 minute mile pace. So I'd say it's done some good things for more than just the physical appearance... it's made me able to do my cardio even BETTER!0 -
I'm not much for profanity but, CARDIO, CARDIO, CARDIO.
I actually love cardio and hate weights, I know I should do both but I love cardio and it is what works for me. No swear word here.. 0 -
A strong cardiovascular system will go a lot further to increase your longevity and quality of life than a six pack. Cardio goes a long way to prevent a lot of diseases and the benefits are amazing. Let's face it...lifting weights is easier than doing an hour of intense cardio.
Cardio should always be your first priority. I don't care how much you can bench if your heart stops.
Yes, I do strength training also, but I'm smart enough to weigh the value of cardio and know it's worth.
I think it was Mark Twain that said something like better that people think you are a simpleton for keeping quiet than to speak and confirm thier suspicions.
I fine with your stating the benefits of cardio and I agree but the " bench press if your heart stops" and lifting weights being easier stuff is just plain ingnorant of the facts. If you think that those who lift do not develop some cardio benefit in the process you are misinformed. If you think lifting easier, then you must not do it very well. How is this kind of bull$$it adding to a reasonable and informed discussion??0 -
I love my cardio. I love my strength training. I love my brisk walks with my boys in the stroller. All of it has a place in my fitness program. This is MY fitness pal, and I'll use it for what works for ME.
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It is?!?
... when I can't do cardio... that's usually when I start swearing! LOL.0 -
To give you a very blunt answer; People are idiots. Everyone thinks they hold the magic key to getting in shape. There are too many people on here that think they know everything yet know close to nothing. In the end, everyone is different and you just have to do you and let others do them. I hate cardio, I'd rather lift weights than run anytime. But I know I have to utilize cardio as a part of my regimen if I want to truly be in shape. As long as you're out there putting in the effort results will come.0
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Let's face it...lifting weights is easier than doing an hour of intense cardio.
Only if you're doing it wrong
- I do my weights like a circuit, according to the heart rate chart in Garmin Training Center out of a half hour workout 20 min was spent in the "training zone". As a runner I share your bias towards cardio but (I know you're saying this tongue-in-cheek) but I can't discount the cardio benefits of strength training. 0 -
Let's face it...lifting weights is easier than doing an hour of intense cardio.
You're doing your weights wrong then. When I leave the weight room, one of three things is true;
- Walking to the car park is slow, staggered and very, very painful.
- Lifting my arms to drive my car is very, very painful.
- Trying to stand up once I've driven home is very, very painful.
Lift to failure for an hour, then come back and declare the same is true.
No doubt! I am more of a "runner", but when I lift heavy, especially squats and deadlifts, my HR gets in the high 160s, and I seriously need to stand still to catch my breath after each set. I don't get that effect from just doing everyday cardio, maybe hill repeats or a track workout, but not from a long run or even a Tempo run.
I'm not sure why so many people are trying to argue one over the other. Things don't need to be so black and white. They both offer benefits, and to truly be the healthiest specimen you can be, you should be incorporating BOTH into your training schedule.0 -
A strong cardiovascular system will go a lot further to increase your longevity and quality of life than a six pack. Cardio goes a long way to prevent a lot of diseases and the benefits are amazing. Let's face it...lifting weights is easier than doing an hour of intense cardio.
Cardio should always be your first priority. I don't care how much you can bench if your heart stops.
Yes, I do strength training also, but I'm smart enough to weigh the value of cardio and know it's worth.
I think it was Mark Twain that said something like better that people think you are a simpleton for keeping quiet than to speak and confirm thier suspicions.
I fine with your stating the benefits of cardio and I agree but the " bench press if your heart stops" and lifting weights being easier stuff is just plain ingnorant of the facts. If you think that those who lift do not develop some cardio benefit in the process you are misinformed. If you think lifting easier, then you must not do it very well. How is this kind of bull$$it adding to a reasonable and informed discussion??
I obviously have a preference and favor cardio. There's value in both, but I do not think six sets on the bench offer more benefit than a sustained 60min of cardio at 80% of max HR.
I find it interesting that your 'relationship with God' is one of your biggest inspirations. His benevolence shines through you like a beam of sunshine. 0 -
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i feel like cardio helps me lose weight and look good with clothes on, and strength helps me tone up and look better naked.0
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In weight loss there is no such thing a 100% fat loss. When weight loss happens, even in the most ideal, perfect conditions with the moon in the right alignment, etc. lean muscle tissue will accompany it. If you don't accept this, then you're not familiar with physiology.A lot of people love pushing weights. They believe that a person will have to eventually use weights one day in their lives and that's not true. A person doesn't have to lift weights to get muscular triceps, biceps, legs or abs. There is a such thing as body weight workouts.
A lot of people that's pushing the "lift heavy" message loves to show pictures of their arms, so people can see their biceps and triceps, but what about their abs and legs? What is the heavy lifting doing for those areas?
Losing fat. I'm not talking about scale weight. I'm talking about fat. It takes time. Let me say losing 100% fat takes time. A person can lose fat and muscle or should I say lean body mass at the same time, but when you lose 100% fat, you will not lose lean body mass.
Just because a person lift weights 7 days a week, it doesn't mean they lose 100% fat fast. They can build muscle, but that muscle will be under fat.
I love cardio. If the next person doesn't. That's fine. But no one should think cardio is bad. Everyone should do what they feel is best for their body.
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I've noticed that people here, as much as they pretend not to sometimes, fall victim to the diet/fitness fads. Less cardio must be a new one. I do cardio almost every day and lift every other or so (or do circuits that combine them). The heart is a muscle too, right? I'd almost rather have a wussy body figure and a healthy heart from cardio that vice versa.
But I don't know why all the cardio hate.
Your dead on. It is the newest fad and a lot of people believe it. You can have huge muscles but that doesn't mean you have a healthy heart. I wouldn't trade my cardio for anything!0 -
I'm another runner - 4 times per week with my long run on Sundays, I also row, bike, swim and do weights.
I suspect that one reason cardio may get a bad rap has to do with all of the misinformation floating around out there about the "fat burning zone", as if it's some kind of magic bullet - it certainly seems like there are lots of personal trainers that don't understand it well.
Personally I think being able to run 20km is a far more useful skill than being able to bench press or deadlift some extraordinary amount of weight, we'll survive the zombie apocalypse.:laugh:
We just need to unabashedly speak up for ourselves!
Zombie apocalypse survival is my whole reason for cardio! :smokin:0 -
I've noticed that people here, as much as they pretend not to sometimes, fall victim to the diet/fitness fads. Less cardio must be a new one. I do cardio almost every day and lift every other or so (or do circuits that combine them). The heart is a muscle too, right? I'd almost rather have a wussy body figure and a healthy heart from cardio that vice versa.
But I don't know why all the cardio hate.
Truth. I do the same thing, with longer distances. I aim for at least 6 miles a day even on circuit days (every other day). My fitness has improved vastly. Since 1 January, I've dropped 35 pounds and my RHR went from 85 to 47. For me cardio is essential, along with a clean diet.0 -
Personally I think being able to run 20km is a far more useful skill than being able to bench press or deadlift some extraordinary amount of weight, we'll survive the zombie apocalypse.:laugh:
Zombie apocalypse survival is my whole reason for cardio! :smokin:
The problem with that is that even if you're able to run for hours on end, eventually, you'll tire. The zombie won't. They don't have a beating heart that feels physical fatigue, or a working brain that feels mental fatigue.
That's where you need to destroy the mo-fos. Most melee weapons require upper body strength.
Honestly, I see very little cardio-hate, even among lifters. I see a lot more weight-hate among people who love cardio.0 -
...Personally I think being able to run 20km is a far more useful skill than being able to bench press or deadlift some extraordinary amount of weight, we'll survive the zombie apocalypse.:laugh:
Zombie apocalypse survival is my whole reason for cardio! :smokin:
Hmm....I'm pretty sure those who've spent a lot of time at the shooting range and have lots of ammo will be much more likely to survive a zombie apocalypse than runners or weight lifters.0 -
Personally I think being able to run 20km is a far more useful skill than being able to bench press or deadlift some extraordinary amount of weight, we'll survive the zombie apocalypse.:laugh:
Zombie apocalypse survival is my whole reason for cardio! :smokin:
The problem with that is that even if you're able to run for hours on end, eventually, you'll tire. The zombie won't. They don't have a beating heart that feels physical fatigue, or a working brain that feels mental fatigue.
That's where you need to destroy the mo-fos. Most melee weapons require upper body strength.
Honestly, I see very little cardio-hate, even among lifters. I see a lot more weight-hate among people who love cardio.
Agreed! You're my hero btw.0 -
Not sure why it is a swear word on here. I hate to state the obvious but......Without your heart you will not survive, without cardio exercise your heart gets large, sloppy and lazy and doesn't pump right. So, why on earth would "cardio" not be good?
A combination of both is what we need. Because of cardio my resting pulse rate has dropped from 70 to 50. I think cardio is exceptional and the most important of all forms of exercise. Muscle burns more calories but isn't a healthy life about a good combination of both cardio/strength training.
trying to stay healthy for life.0 -
Well, I just started doing all Cardio (ZUMBA) and Only Cardio for 6-7x a week and for the months I have been on here I haven't lost weight, but I am losing weight with cardio. Cardio is great! I love it and won't stop till I reach my goals. I also drink a lot of water and eat 1639 cals a day w/o eating back exercise calories 0
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Seriously!? :laugh:
Look, I know nothing I say is going to change your mind because you know your body and all, but I'm still going to post this for anyone on the fence with an open mind about things.
Heavy lifting has done amazing things for every inch of my body, not just my arms.
Not to mention that I went from running a 5k at a 9 minute mile pace to an 8 minute mile pace. So I'd say it's done some good things for more than just the physical appearance... it's made me able to do my cardio even BETTER!
Having just inspected every inch, I agree.0 -
I've noticed that people here, as much as they pretend not to sometimes, fall victim to the diet/fitness fads. Less cardio must be a new one. I do cardio almost every day and lift every other or so (or do circuits that combine them). The heart is a muscle too, right? I'd almost rather have a wussy body figure and a healthy heart from cardio that vice versa.
But I don't know why all the cardio hate.
Your dead on. It is the newest fad and a lot of people believe it. You can have huge muscles but that doesn't mean you have a healthy heart. I wouldn't trade my cardio for anything!
Bingo.
Both are valuable, but I personally believe cardio fitness is of greater importance.0 -
I was a big believer in cardio until I started lifting. I get MUCH more of a work out and sweat on COMBINING my cardio and lifting than doing either alone. My body fat is somewhere around 18% (it used to be around 22-23% doing cardio). My theory on this is that my body became so conditioned from running outdoors that it no longer presented any kind of challenge. With lifting you can continue to up your weight and stay challenged. (And for those of you who suggest upping the incline on a treamill I did that too). I'm not saying cardio is bad in any way, in fact for many it can be a good start to exercising but I believe balance by doing both is probably best.0
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Lets just all agree to disagree.0
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Answer: it depends on your goal.0
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It's not really a fad at all. I don't do any cardio and my heart is perfectly healthy; my pulse is around 50bpm at rest and I had heart problems as a baby/child. My approach to weights is perhaps different than to others, as my heart rate is usually over120 for the duration of my weight sessions and after finishing a set of compound lifts, you better believe I'm breathing heavily. I was a swimmer pre-weights, and both competed and coached (still do ocassionally) and my lung capacity and muscular endurance have sky-rocketed since I took up weights.
Your dead on. It is the newest fad and a lot of people believe it. You can have huge muscles but that doesn't mean you have a healthy heart. I wouldn't trade my cardio for anything!I've noticed that people here, as much as they pretend not to sometimes, fall victim to the diet/fitness fads. Less cardio must be a new one. I do cardio almost every day and lift every other or so (or do circuits that combine them). The heart is a muscle too, right? I'd almost rather have a wussy body figure and a healthy heart from cardio that vice versa.
But I don't know why all the cardio hate.
It's all about how you perform your exercises. Balls-Out as I like to call it, gives me a damn good cardiovascular workout as well.0 -
Honestly, I see very little cardio-hate, even among lifters. I see a lot more weight-hate among people who love cardio.
Totally agree! I am completly in favor of both and that's what I practice. I just don't get the stone throwing and most of it does seem to be directed toward the people who are mostly strength. It's just uncalled for.
PS: Great job on your body transformation! Major accomplishment. You look great!!0 -
It's not really a fad at all. I don't do any cardio and my heart is perfectly healthy; my pulse is around 50bpm at rest and I had heart problems as a baby/child. My approach to weights is perhaps different than to others, as my heart rate is usually over120 for the duration of my weight sessions and after finishing a set of compound lifts, you better believe I'm breathing heavily. I was a swimmer pre-weights, and both competed and coached (still do ocassionally) and my lung capacity and muscular endurance have sky-rocketed since I took up weights.
Your dead on. It is the newest fad and a lot of people believe it. You can have huge muscles but that doesn't mean you have a healthy heart. I wouldn't trade my cardio for anything!I've noticed that people here, as much as they pretend not to sometimes, fall victim to the diet/fitness fads. Less cardio must be a new one. I do cardio almost every day and lift every other or so (or do circuits that combine them). The heart is a muscle too, right? I'd almost rather have a wussy body figure and a healthy heart from cardio that vice versa.
But I don't know why all the cardio hate.
It's all about how you perform your exercises. Balls-Out as I like to call it, gives me a damn good cardiovascular workout as well.
Again totally agree! I generally rest 1 minute to 90 seconds between sets. HR goes up into the 150s and drops no further than the 130s. Great cardio workout at the same time as strength. The numbers are similar to when I run and there are hills. I just don't get where this stuff about people who do strength having weak hearts comes from. It's just plain not true.0 -
I never would have imagined that the topic of cardio vs. weight training could conjure up such an emotional debate. Wow!
I do both because in my experience, they both have great things to offer my body. I don't enjoy either, but I persevere for the sake of my health.
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