should she have her surgery paid for?
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She sounds like a lazy bum to me. Screw you lady. Many people can't take vacations, so why should their taxes should pay for your surgery so you can fly somewhere?
Yeah, I'm bitter about lazy people wanting free things.0 -
Wow. When I thought about WLS I learned that I would have to be on a diet for a year before ins would pay for it and I thought, "Heck if I can stick to a diet for a year, why would I need surgery?" and so I got off my butt and did what I needed to do.
Giving her a freebie surgery isn't doing anyone any favors.
sevencallmemo - Good for you! You make a very good point.
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No surgeon would touch her. You need to make an actual documented effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle before you will even be considered for surgery. I don't think she has any idea that an actual EFFORT is required. I think if someone actually explained that she will actually need to WORK, she'd be a lot less interested.0
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This might be harsh, but of course exercise is going to "hurt", if you keep trying it WON'T. Yeah dieting is "hard" but you're addicted, it's not going to be easy. Seriously people....0
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Hell no she shouldn't have it paid for by taxpayers. Plenty of people have a bunch of kids and don't become incapacitated by their weight (I'm looking at you, Michelle Duggar). I don't think it's the taxpayers responsibility to pay for her laziness.
And before I get the whole "fat doesn't mean lazy" thing, I agree with that, but this woman is truly unwilling to do the work, and that my friends, is lazy.0 -
this is disgusting. i had lap band surgery in january to help me on my journey, but i still have to make the right choices. this woman is obviously an idiot looking for a "quick fix" that doesnt exist. i work for 6 months to get insurance to pay for my surgery, but asking tax payers to pay it?! wtf! its not their problem that your fat and too lazy to do anything about it. ugh.
That is really harsh coming from a fellow WLS person......were you too "lazy" to do anything about YOUR weight? I think it's very unfair to classify someone as lazy because they are obese.
I won't debate the rest of it....WLS 10 years ago allowed me to lose 120 pounds, which I have maintained. Occasionally, around the holidays, I go up a bit...but then I come to MFP and get back "on program" (every one needs a healthy eating plan that they follow....EVERY ONE, surgery or not) and I lose those few pounds. So WLS long term success CAN be achieved, but only if you change your mindset about eating, exercising and make it for LIFE.0 -
I would just like to say that I am glad no one has jumped to her defense. Thank you.
That being said, let me ask a followup to this: Is there any case where you feel that this type of surgery is justified?0 -
I feel like some people here don't understand what's meant by having the taxpayers to pay for this.0
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I think she should have to be on a medically supervised diet for 6 months first. Work with a nutritionist, blood work, supervised exercise........... then, after she has proven that she is capable of making the changes, maybe have it done.......0
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NO!!!! I know several people who had WLS and were not better for it.. they gained the weight back and tons more- or they ended up with major health issues.. it's a quick -short term fix and that's all. If she is going to get help it should be a diet and exercise program0
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Paying for her to have surgery seems like setting a very expensive precedent. Plus, if diet and exercise are too hard for her she'll just need it again in a few years.
In the U.S. at least some insurance companies pay for gastric bypass surgeries. Which basically means anyone with health insurance pays for them.0 -
Absolutely NOT!! This is pure BS! She needs to start making better choices. If she can't "stand" then sit and do exercises. Also what about her eating?? Takeout?? Seriously?? Make a HEALTHY list and have the family go to the store for crying out loud!! Change your eating habits and Move around!! There was a guy in Mexico that lost weight by moving around in his bed and changing his eating. He was 600lbs I think and couldn't get out of bed!! Some people want something for nothing! I work my butt off and still get the short end of the stick! At least I can instill morals within my children by being and example. This type of stuff just pisses me off!! They better not pay for her!!!!!!!!!! It wouldn't last anyway because she wouldn't have had to "EARN" it!!!!!!!0
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Of course not.0
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I'm going to go with "F her, she did it to herself, she can undo it or f'ing pay for it herself like the rest of us."0
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nooo0
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i dont think she should ask tax payers to give her the money to have this surgery!! what about all the other obese people in the uk?? whos gonna pay for them???
only by making some small changes she will b able to lose weight on her own!! enough for her to at least get herself a job so that she can afford a surgery herself!!0 -
Hell to the No.0
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I don't like having to read articles through links, but I usually suggest others to read them when I site them. I'm a hypocrite. But I'm going to say no.0
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I live in the United States, not the UK, so I feel like I don't have a right to have an opinion. But....
I get that she can't make meals because she "can't stand for more than two minutes at a time", so she orders take out often. It also seems to me that NOT having the surgery could have the effect of spending more money on medical care in the future.
She does have some mindset obstacles that SHOULD prevent a surgeon from agreeing to the operation. My doctor recommends WLS for me (at least he did several months ago... He actually seemed pleased with my progress when I saw him a couple of weeks age...), but I am afraid of the risks of surgery. My mother got blood clots in her lungs after gall bladder surgery. They blamed her weight. I'm thinking that LOTS of things are hereditary, and that I don't want to risk blood clots with elective surgery. My point? She seems to think WLS is easy, when it is actually very invasive and could cause complications. If she were aware of that, I doubt she'd think of diet as "too hard" (though exercise may be for a while, since she can't stand), though perhaps due to health issues may find it takes too long.
I hope she gets help to get her head together, and that when she does, she will be approved only for surgery if it is deemed advisable by both mental health professionals AND a GP / surgeon.
Edited to clarify second paragraph.0 -
..i think too many people assume that weight loss surgery is the end-all-be-all for losing weight. but, it's still hard work - you have to revamp your diet, and you will have to start exercising...
I was actually amazed to find out it was possible to have bariatric surgery and still be fat. I never seriously looked into it, my awareness of the procedure was derived largely from 90s talk shows. This is not a great source of information, admittedly, but nothing I saw on TV ever communicated that weight loss surgery was not a guaranteed and permanent solution (with potentially horrific side effects.)0 -
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If it were her money it would be her decision, and she'd be more invested in the outcome. If she has no expenditure she has no investment in success.
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Regardless of who pays for the surgery, this woman will most likely not be successful.
Especially after weight loss surgery, she MUST be willing to tackle the "hard" stuff--eating properly and exercise.
Weight loss surgery is not a magic pill.0 -
Wow! This is strange. I mean, asking taxpayers to pay for your weight loss surgery? I mean, if she's that desperate, maybe she should create a fundraiser/event for people who *want* to pay for her surgery (and stop spending $300 a week on fast food).0
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I would just like to say that I am glad no one has jumped to her defense. Thank you.
That being said, let me ask a followup to this: Is there any case where you feel that this type of surgery is justified?
I think that when it is done to save a person's life, it is justified - when death is iminent and the only option is surgery. I think if someone is willing to put in the work to get the surgery and they have results, they can get the results without the surgery.0 -
Hmmm think a sponsored slimathon may be the best answer. Seriously? Why does she think we (UK taxpayers) should pay? Maybe she's kept all her fast food receipts as well, chuck them in and we'll fund those too. Sadly if she's too lazy to exercise and thinks dieting is too much like hard work she's a lost cause, she should try entering the next Biggest Loser, that way we don't have to pay and she might even win some cash...0
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umm if my tax dollars went to her weightloss surgery i'd probably go and punch her in the face!!! you cant help lazy....it only promotes more laziness...what kind of example is she setting for her children?!?! she needs to get off her high horse....life is HARD....she is a lost cause....she obviously wants an easy out...so she'll gain all the weight back plus more within a few months....0
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Ok........ This woman is over 450 lbs. How many of you have been there? I have been relatively close. I was 342 at 22. It was suggested that I have the gastric bypass. Several of my family members had. I told them that because I was only 22, I wanted to try on my own for a year first and then reasses. It was a terrifying thought. I was afraid. I was afraid I would fail and HAVE to have surgery. I was afraid I would succeed and not be ABLE to have surgery. I was afraid I would be fat forever. I was afraid to be thin. It was all I had ever known and my whole world would either change drastically, or not at all. We have (mostly) all been here, just not to the same extent. I think many of us forget how frightening it is to start a change like this. We all had habits that got us to our top weights. We *knew* how to change them, but how many times did it seem like a futile attempt? How many times did we feel like we could never get out of this loop that was killing us. I do feel she should have some serious interventions first. Medically supervised, lab results, working with a dietician, a trainer..... hell...... I will pay my part for that. But, I will also pay my part for the surgery when she tries for 6 months and is still 400 lbs. To come from a place that high is daunting. It was scary for me at half her age and 100 lbs lighter. I wound up not needing it, but partly because I was so young and had so many years ahead of me to fix it. Were I in her situation, I may go the same route. I dont think she wants it merely to go on vacation, but to be afforded the opportunity to not be treated like a freak when she does. It is very hard to live like that. I feel like most of you have forgotten that feeling. I hope I never do. I hope I always understand that just because a person is in a self inflicted situation, doesn't mean it is not the scariest thing in the world to overcome.0
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Whether or not we think she should have it paid for, it will get paid for if she gets it done and it will be by the taxpayers if she doesn't fork out the money. That's the way it works. Sucks, but doctors and hospitals aren't going to usually offer free services.
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no, if I can't get that in loans for pharmacogenomics then why should she for some weightless loss0
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