should she have her surgery paid for?
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if you can get invetro and be on well fare then she should get her operation to....just saying, altho if she gains it back she should have to repay some of the money...0
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IMO, this is a huge problem in the world. People who have absolutely no persal resposiblilty living off the backs of those who work hard to provide for their families. Please understand, I am not a rich person coming down on the poor. We actually qualify for food stamps, welfare, medicaid, etc. However, I refuse to take any of it because my problems are not the issue of the taxpayers. I take full responsibility for my own actions. If the lady gets her surgery for "free", it isn't free because someone has to pay for it and that someone(s) is the taxpayer. Now, let say 100 more just like her decide to take the lazy way out and get theirs "free" too. Where do you suppose it will end? Eventually, they are going to run out of other peoples money or the working people are going to give up and quit too because they are tired of paying for everyone else. Just my thoughts. I live by: You made your bed, now sleep in it.0
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I do have to say that if her husband is paying 30-40% taxes like other Brits do (and their house looks reasonably well off), that woman should be able to get help via her insurance.
They are both unemployed, so neither of them pay ANY taxes at all, and it's inconceivable that either of them would have health insurance.
MY taxes are paying for their house, and for her $300 a week fast food habit, and to support her breeding habit.
Very few Brits have health insurance, most of the people who do have it as a perk of a good job and pay taxes on that perk, which is also a perk for their employers because it means that any operations are done straight away, so they don't have to pay extended sick pay while employees are on the NHS waiting lists.
It doesn't say anything about him being unemployed. If it's true, it does change it a bit. I'm not talking conventional health insurance, I'm talking NHS. It's your health insurance. You pay those taxes for the privilege of that program. Half of you can't see private doctors anywhere else because you pay so much for the privilege of that program. What I'm saying is that if he works, her claims shouldn't be ignored. ...also, I giggled endlessly for poppycock. Ahhh.0 -
I'd hate to play devil's advocate here but if you think about how much money it might cost to treat her obesity related ailments for the remainder of her life, it might add up to much more than $22,000 considering how far modern medicine has come (and how much health care costs these days). In that case, if the the taxpayer is going to be footing the bill anyway, it might be a better deal to pay for the weight loss surgery (provided it gurantees weight loss and maintenance of such). Based on her general attitude though, I can see that the surgery without a drastic change in lifestyle (and attitude) would be a waste but I'm sure in some cases it might be the better 'economic' option.
Well, to be fair, if she'd stop spending the $300+/week on fast food, she'd be able to fund over $15,000 on her own dime and that means that the taxpayer is only out about $7,000. A "little" responsibility would go a long way to making the results sustainable. As you mentioned, the general attitude probably points much more to the ultimate "economic option."0 -
I also read a little further, and it turns out she "gave up looking for work after she'd had her first child and applied for 15 jobs" WOW. I'm unemployed and I'm applying for that many jobs at least a WEEK. There is no fixing this persons Lazy. The family are on more in benefits than I was earning before I lost my job. Now I'm on jobseekers, but because i haven't had children (because I'd rather I was able to pay for them, rather than expecting our government to!) I get the bare minimum and find it a hard task to get enough food to live on. She spents more in a week on takeaway than I get from a months jobseekers :explode:
No sympathy. This is exactly the sort of person our government is throwing money at and giving our society a bad name in the "dole scrounging" stakes. People should be able to pass some sort of intelligence or awareness test before they're allowed to breed, rather than making the problem worse.
She should come over here, learn it from scratch and put the same effort in that I see people doing here every day. Her excuses are ridiculous. If you can't stand for more than 2 minutes, bring your veg and whatnot into the lounge to prepare. Get your husband or grown children to help out with the cooking. What on earth are those poor kids learning? Free living, laziness, no motivation, going to glossy mags for the sympathy vote... I would be embarrassed to be seen in that article picture. "Hi, I've no inclination to do anything but get free housing and living allowance from the government, aren't I a great contributer to society?"
This is such a bug bear for me if you couldn't tell.
And this is also the most negative thing I've ever posted here. I'm normally positive, believe in if you can't say anything nice don't say it, but there are lines. This heap of lazy crossed them for me, so sorry if it's offended anyone. But hey, you're all doing something positive, what about her?0 -
IMO, this is a huge problem in the world. People who have absolutely no persal resposiblilty living off the backs of those who work hard to provide for their families. Please understand, I am not a rich person coming down on the poor. We actually qualify for food stamps, welfare, medicaid, etc. However, I refuse to take any of it because my problems are not the issue of the taxpayers. I take full responsibility for my own actions. If the lady gets her surgery for "free", it isn't free because someone has to pay for it and that someone(s) is the taxpayer. Now, let say 100 more just like her decide to take the lazy way out and get theirs "free" too. Where do you suppose it will end? Eventually, they are going to run out of other peoples money or the working people are going to give up and quit too because they are tired of paying for everyone else. Just my thoughts. I live by: You made your bed, now sleep in it.
^^^^^^^ This!
"The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money" Margaret Thatcher0 -
I do have to say that if her husband is paying 30-40% taxes like other Brits do (and their house looks reasonably well off), that woman should be able to get help via her insurance.
They are both unemployed, so neither of them pay ANY taxes at all, and it's inconceivable that either of them would have health insurance.
MY taxes are paying for their house, and for her $300 a week fast food habit, and to support her breeding habit.
Very few Brits have health insurance, most of the people who do have it as a perk of a good job and pay taxes on that perk, which is also a perk for their employers because it means that any operations are done straight away, so they don't have to pay extended sick pay while employees are on the NHS waiting lists.
It doesn't say anything about him being unemployed.
*Can't believe I just described something from the Daily Mail as "the whole story" UGH!0 -
Her excuses are ridiculous. If you can't stand for more than 2 minutes, bring your veg and whatnot into the lounge to prepare. Get your husband or grown children to help out with the cooking. What on earth are those poor kids learning? Free living, laziness, no motivation, going to glossy mags for the sympathy vote... I would be embarrassed to be seen in that article picture. "Hi, I've no inclination to do anything but get free housing and living allowance from the government, aren't I a great contributer to society?"
This is such a bug bear for me if you couldn't tell.
I'm seeing hard working people, nurses and teachers and other people who care about their jobs, who provide essential services, losing their jobs in the UK right now because of government funding being slashed.
As she has six kids, no doubt their house, which we're paying for, is enormous and has a huge garden, cut their benefits, and let them grow their own food. Or *gasp* get a job and learn to take responsibility for their actions!0 -
NO!
if she would replace her fast food with fresh veggies she would cut her calories and grocery bill in half!0 -
Like others have said - for the surgery to be successful, you have to get your mind right - which means you could lose weight on your own without the surgery (if your mind is right). You have to make just as much change with the surgery as you do just to lose weight on your own so why not stop being lazy and just do it on your own? the surgery is NOT a guaranteed fix, and often times, those that have the surgery do NOT keep the weight off!
**I almost wish they had never introduced WLS -- everyone seems to think it is a quick, guaranteed, easy fix.0 -
One word...NO!
Ok, two words...Hell No!0 -
I forgot to say that those people who lose huge amounts of weight sometimes began with surgery and I think it's nothing to sneeze at if they kept it off and reached their goals or thereabouts. It's amazing to me either way.0
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IMO, this is a huge problem in the world. People who have absolutely no persal resposiblilty living off the backs of those who work hard to provide for their families. Please understand, I am not a rich person coming down on the poor. We actually qualify for food stamps, welfare, medicaid, etc. However, I refuse to take any of it because my problems are not the issue of the taxpayers. I take full responsibility for my own actions. If the lady gets her surgery for "free", it isn't free because someone has to pay for it and that someone(s) is the taxpayer. Now, let say 100 more just like her decide to take the lazy way out and get theirs "free" too. Where do you suppose it will end? Eventually, they are going to run out of other peoples money or the working people are going to give up and quit too because they are tired of paying for everyone else. Just my thoughts. I live by: You made your bed, now sleep in it.0
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She has major binge issues - opposite of the issues experienced by anorexics. She still has an eating disorder, something is not right for her to get to such a high weight. Surgery may help her to finally get it together. The desire to eat can be completely overwhelming for some just like the desire to starve yourself as an anorexic.0
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Absolutely NOT.
What a lazy *kitten*.
I really wish MFP had polls. I'd LOVE to see the numbers.0 -
People seem to make the assumption that getting surgery will magically fix them. That is a MAJOR surgery that drastically changes the way you can eat. One of my husband's friends had it and told us stories about how he would throw up if he ate something bad or too much of something. If this woman isn't willing to at least try to change her lifestyle before hand, what makes her thing she'll adjust to the limitations the surgery will put on her diet?0
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http://now.msn.com/living/0327-fat-mom-surgery.aspx
what are your thoughts on this woman? do you think that she should get her surgery paid for?
maybe we should introduce her to this site. i don't know how i feel about this, especially after seeing so many wonderful successes on MFP. what do you guys think?
They should try a dietician first if she hasn't. I know she said in the article that dieting is hard but I wonder if that was on her own or with a proper guide. If she finds it hard just because she is lazy, well, then no.0 -
Edit: Felt my post was a bit harsh and off topic so I took it down0
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that's a pretty loose article. there has to be another angle to this story that the writer was either too lazy to explain or ,more likely, just plain got int he way of his/her opinion.
If you take it at face value, then this woman has to earn this surgery..but that weight, she might not have long to live unless there is serious surgical or clinical intervention. do we let people like this die?0 -
I think if she chooses to have the surgery and pay for it herself that would be fine. But, I feel it is wrong to have tax payers pay for it. Also, IF taxpayers were going to pay for it, wouldn't it be nice to see her lose 50lbs on her own before the government approves the surgery. That way taxpayers know that she is serious and is going to change her lifestyle. My guess is that in the end, she will not be successful because, in her own words, it will be "too hard" and exercise "hurts"
By the way, I have 6 kids and I am 42...there is no reason for her to get to her size. Such a sad story.0
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