I hate water

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  • Charloo1990
    Charloo1990 Posts: 619 Member
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.
    Oh god, be careful, seen as im now leaving this topic your the next to be pounced on and told how you don't know this that and the other by these annoying couple of people. But i agree.
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.

    Actually, if you'd bothered to read the cited studies in the thread, as well-respected authorities as the Mayo Clinic say that caffeine is a milder diuretic than water, and it doesn't in any way negate the hydrating effects of the water in coffee, tea, and soda. I can't believe you think you're a better source than the Mayo Clinic. It's not rocket science that you need to read peer reviewed, scientific evidence either.
  • zen_mama
    zen_mama Posts: 51
    I've always been a big water drinker, but find sometimes i just get tired of drinking it or, if the water is very flat (distilled- no minerals) it does not always quench my thirst. I solve this by brewing up a gallon of weak tea- usually decaf green tea (great for boosting metabolism) with a flavored tea bag such as mint or apple cinnamon thrown in to jazz it up a bit. I find the added herbal tea sweetens it just enough so that I don't need to add a sweetener. In the summer time I keep a jug of this in the fridge and will drink at least 2 qt.s a day along with water. One summer, while working at a landscape nursery- I brought a gallon jug of green tea with me every day and it was usually consumed within 8 hours. Lost about 15 pounds that summer between the sweating and the tea.
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.
    Oh god, be careful, seen as im now leaving this topic your the next to be pounced on and told how you don't know this that and the other by these annoying couple of people. But i agree.

    I imagine it is annoying to have people actually expect you to prove what you claim is truth is actually true.
  • Jacwhite22
    Jacwhite22 Posts: 7,010 Member
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.
    Have you bothered to actually read the thread? Including all of the scientific evidence prevented that proves that caffeine does NOT effect hydration? It's not really rocket science...

    Depends on how much you are drinking and if you are using it as a water substitute and drinking solely caffeinated beverages it very well might.



    Recent research shows that this is not true and that caffeine has a diuretic effect only if you consume large amounts of it — more than 500 to 600 milligrams (the equivalent of 5 to 7 cups of coffee) a day
  • Jacwhite22
    Jacwhite22 Posts: 7,010 Member
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.

    Actually, if you'd bothered to read the cited studies in the thread, as well-respected authorities as the Mayo Clinic say that caffeine is a milder diuretic than water, and it doesn't in any way negate the hydrating effects of the water in coffee, tea, and soda. I can't believe you think you're a better source than the Mayo Clinic. It's not rocket science that you need to read peer reviewed, scientific evidence either.
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    I never knew it was even possible to hate water, I mean it doesn't even have a taste. I guess it's possible then.

    Well, to be honest I would recommend you to still drink as much water as you can despite your dislike for it. But if it really bothers you that much, you could try adding a few drops of lemon to it (at home, try to avoid the already flavored water you buy at the store) or maybe you'd like it better if it were ice cold? Try that as well. You can also drink green tea.

    Good luck.

    First of all, water does have a taste, and it tastes different depending on which impurities it has. Dasani doesn't taste like Evian doesn't taste like Aquafina. Secondly, WHY should people drink plain water if they don't like it? It's like it's a religion with you people. "Well, to be honest I would recommend you to still drink as much water as you can despite your dislike for it." WHY!?! Since there's no added benefit if the water is plain, WHY should I drink it "despite my dislike for it?"
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.

    Actually, if you'd bothered to read the cited studies in the thread, as well-respected authorities as the Mayo Clinic say that caffeine is a milder diuretic than water, and it doesn't in any way negate the hydrating effects of the water in coffee, tea, and soda. I can't believe you think you're a better source than the Mayo Clinic. It's not rocket science that you need to read peer reviewed, scientific evidence either.

    Right. The Mayo Clinic says, in this very link, that caffeinated beverages are as hydrating as water. That is what "It is true" means.

    Thank you for proving my point.
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.
    Have you bothered to actually read the thread? Including all of the scientific evidence prevented that proves that caffeine does NOT effect hydration? It's not really rocket science...

    Depends on how much you are drinking and if you are using it as a water substitute and drinking solely caffeinated beverages it very well might.



    Recent research shows that this is not true and that caffeine has a diuretic effect only if you consume large amounts of it — more than 500 to 600 milligrams (the equivalent of 5 to 7 cups of coffee) a day

    WTF is a water substitute? Coffee is impure water. So is tap water and bottled water.
  • ThePunkHippie
    ThePunkHippie Posts: 213
    Im seriously bored now and have better things to do. Goodbye imature people. Maybe you could go get a life, yeh?

    Translation:
    You meanie poopie heads won't let me spout my nonsense as fact without proof & I can't prove anything that I make up, so I'm going to pretend that I'm in the right & leave... but really, I'm going to stay here, refreshing the page & agreeing with other people who are wrong like me, because that validates my opinion & makes me look smart.
  • rockette7
    rockette7 Posts: 18
    A slice of lemon or lime in your water can make a lot of difference. I find I like water much more when's it really cold.
    Having it handy makes it much easier to get it down you without noticing. I'm working on getting enough fluids in me at the moment, but when I did pub work, we all kept drinks on a shelf by the kitchen door, and I found I sipped a bit each time I went past, and used to put away pints and pints of the stuff without really noticing.
  • jpuderbaugh
    jpuderbaugh Posts: 318 Member
    omg, how many times do you all need to say "it's not rocket science"?? :yawn:
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.
    Have you bothered to actually read the thread? Including all of the scientific evidence prevented that proves that caffeine does NOT effect hydration? It's not really rocket science...

    Depends on how much you are drinking and if you are using it as a water substitute and drinking solely caffeinated beverages it very well might.



    Recent research shows that this is not true and that caffeine has a diuretic effect only if you consume large amounts of it — more than 500 to 600 milligrams (the equivalent of 5 to 7 cups of coffee) a day
    You also need to take into account that regular caffeine consumption (aka someone who would consume 5-7 cups of coffee a day) builds a tolerance that actually makes the consumer immune to the diuretic effects of caffeine.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    omg, how many times do you all need to say "it's not rocket science"?? :yawn:
    Not sure, that would require rocket science to figure out. :drinker:
  • jpuderbaugh
    jpuderbaugh Posts: 318 Member
    omg, how many times do you all need to say "it's not rocket science"?? :yawn:
    Not sure, that would require rocket science to figure out. :drinker:

    Sarcasm noted. :drinker:
  • rockette7
    rockette7 Posts: 18
    Isn't only drinking water a bit dull? I do drink quite a lot of water, and I found when I was at my peak-water-drinking, I was drinking pints of the stuff with a coulpe of lemon wedges chucked in and I did notice a different. My skin looked brighter and was more moisturised, and I felt good.
    But I never drank only water. I enjoy tea, so I drink that occasionally, as I don't see why the odd mug is so terrible. Same with drinking soda, or squash or wine or whatever else. Everything in moderation is the key, surely? Just to keep yourself from boredom, if nothing else.

    And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't quite a large proportion of our recommended water consumption presume that a certain amount of that water will come from food? Like fresh fruit and vegetables? Perhaps I imagined that though, I'm not sure.
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    omg, how many times do you all need to say "it's not rocket science"?? :yawn:
    Not sure, that would require rocket science to figure out. :drinker:

    I've got a friend who is a rocket scientist for NASA. I'll ask her. :wink:
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    Isn't only drinking water a bit dull? I do drink quite a lot of water, and I found when I was at my peak-water-drinking, I was drinking pints of the stuff with a coulpe of lemon wedges chucked in and I did notice a different. My skin looked brighter and was more moisturised, and I felt good.
    But I never drank only water. I enjoy tea, so I drink that occasionally, as I don't see why the odd mug is so terrible. Same with drinking soda, or squash or wine or whatever else. Everything in moderation is the key, surely? Just to keep yourself from boredom, if nothing else.

    And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't quite a large proportion of our recommended water consumption presume that a certain amount of that water will come from food? Like fresh fruit and vegetables? Perhaps I imagined that though, I'm not sure.

    You are correct. Women need about (you're metric aren't you? I'll convert), um, 2 liters of water a day from any source, including your food. Men need closer to 2.5 liters. But water from all sources counts, including that in food. Really very few people get too little water even if they don't try to get enough.
  • jpuderbaugh
    jpuderbaugh Posts: 318 Member
    Here. There's your citation you called for.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/541881-caffeine-and-muscle-cramps/

    Including their sources at the bottom of the article.
  • nkyjennifer
    nkyjennifer Posts: 135 Member
    The best thing I have ever done for my health is a 7 day detox - 2 servings of fruit a day, 1 serving of meat, all the veggies I wanted. No fats (butter, oils, etc) but herbs and spices were OK. It was really hard, but when it was over I found that I loved water and completely eliminated my sweet tea addiction. I used to drink nearly a gallon every day (with about 1 cup of sugar in it!)

    I used to literally gag when trying to force myself to drink water. A year later and I'm still amazed by this change. I drink 2-3 qts of water a day.
  • ProjFit
    ProjFit Posts: 143
    I absolutely HATE water. However, I usually add some drops of lemon juice to it and it basically tastes like lemonade. Thats my biggest suggestion. Otherwise I drink it straight, and I feel like gagging.
  • katysmelly
    katysmelly Posts: 380 Member

    You're right, I don't usually catch sarcasm and/or irony. I understand them if I notice them and can sometimes even use them, but I often don't notice them. Even in person, as we (Aspies) seem to lack the ability to read body language as well. This appears to be biological, so there's a limit as to how well we can be taught to do this.

    I also don't know where they'd GET pure water. I'm not sure there's any on earth. Our chemist says water dissolves one thing or another from any material you try to contain it in or deliver it with. Water is as close to a universal solvent as we know of, so it dissolves almost everything. You sure as he11 don't get "pure" water from the tap, or in a bottle at the store.

    I don't drink "plain" water because our water here is awful. I drink coffee (black w/ no sweet) in the morning and iced tea the rest of the day. I drink Mio or diet sodas when I'm out and about, because I can easily get them at the gas station or convenience store. I don't track water or any of the aforementioned beverages because they are essentially nothing. None of those has significant amounts of anything. Not even sodium, which is the oft-cited problem with diet sodas. Diet Coke has 20mg sodium, the others have zero.

    I suppose I "get" that I'll never convince some of these people, no matter how good my sources. It's a little like I'm...compelled. I love Randall Munroe (XKCD) because he's so spot on with so many (admittedly geeky) things. This comic completely hit home:

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    (alt-text = What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!)

    I know your pain!
  • katysmelly
    katysmelly Posts: 380 Member
    Fizzy drinks and beer are water with stuff added. If you said "fizzy drinks and beer don't hydrate you," you have said "adding something to water negates the positive effects of water." How do you think they make "fizzy drinks?" I'll tell you. They take water, and they add stuff to it. Are you now claiming that who adds the stuff matters? If I add it at home it's not harmful, but if say, Pepsico adds it, it is?
    Ok so your saying a whole load of stuff that i havnt even said. You seem pretty determined to carry on this pointless argument, well im not retaliating so please just give up trying to say that i said this, that and the other when i quite clearly havnt.

    do you even know what you're saying?

    "Thats quite dumb really, water has tons of benefits that all these other drinks don't."

    How do 'these other drinks' not have the same benefits as water if they're just water with stuff added to them? You are saying that by adding something to water, it takes away the benefits.
    I don't know why you keep quoting the same line i said, pretty sad actualy. And at what point did i say that adding things to water takes away the benefits?!? I said that water has tons of benefits that other drinks don't, duhhh! So if i was to drink a big glass of water and then a big glass of full fat coke, im sure it doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell me which is going to be a lot better for me.

    What benefit does water have that Coke does not? That's what we'd like you to answer.

    The OP was asking for suggestions on substitutions for plain water. It's assumed that she was talking about hydration. . It has been pointed out that there's no need to drink pure water. Pretty much any beverage will hydrate you. There are people here who think that they have to drink 64 oz of plain water every day, and that is nonsense.

    It is perfectly obvious that drinking a can of Coke will add a lot of calories to the day's diet. Most people don't want that. But, if you were stranded on a desert island and had a choice between finding a case of Evian or a case of Coke washed up on shore, the Coke would be better because you'd want any calories you could get. Water is not *necessarily* superior to pop.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Here. There's your citation you called for.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/541881-caffeine-and-muscle-cramps/

    Including their sources at the bottom of the article.
    What exactly is this supposed to show? I don't see any scientific evidence related to caffeine and hydration in any of the cited sources, nor really in the article itself.
  • FitLink
    FitLink Posts: 1,317 Member
    Here. There's your citation you called for.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/541881-caffeine-and-muscle-cramps/

    Including their sources at the bottom of the article.

    Thank you. Sorry it took so long to reply, but it took some time to round up and read the sources. I note that, while the article discusses cramps and caffeine, only one of the cited sources mention them. The first one, American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons, doesn't mention caffeine at all. Nada. They do mention electrolyte imbalance, which is what I suggested. The second and fourth don't mention cramps. Medline (which is not a scientific journal BTW but a plain language "interpreter" of medical data) mentions tremors, which are most certainly not "cramps," and the Mayo (the fourth) mentions "twitches," which are also not cramps. Both tremors and twitches are annoying but not painful. Neither source suggests 1) that moderate caffeine intake causes these twitches and tremors or 2) that caffeine isn't hydrating. The Mayo Clinic demonstrabley believes it is hydrating. The third is just a magazine article from a not-particularly-scientifically-oriented magazine for body builders. It references an article from the American Journal of Medicine (Molema et al, 2007 vol 120), which is interesting, because it's a study with a sample size of one. He was his own control. It's a good reason to do more research, but a sample size of one can't produce statistically significant results. It's interesting as well that Molena et al admitted that caffeine also mitigates muscle pain.

    This is how I arrive at my "opinions." You have to back check sources, especially the ones from magazines like "Iron Man" because it matters whether sample sizes were large enough to produce statistically significant results or not, and HOW the sample was chosen. Who did the study is important. How prominent in the field are they?

    I'm willing to entertain the notion that large amounts of caffeine might contribute to muscle cramps--and I'll be watching the literature for a more scientifically sound study--and also that there are negative health effects of excessive caffeine consumption, if you'll admit that there is no reason caffeinated beverages can't substitute for plain water for hydration, and none of a person's hydration need come from "plain" water. That's what your sources say. Mine do too, BTW.
  • katysmelly
    katysmelly Posts: 380 Member
    Drink whatever you want. Don't like plain water? Diet soda, non-diet soda, Crystal Lite, coffee, tea, juice, milk, sports drinks, beer... All hydrate you just about as effectively as water, the only downside is that some of them have calories you would have to account for. Hydration is all about FLUID, not about water.

    WTF??
    Thats quite dumb really, water has tons of benefits that all these other drinks don't.

    Name one. If there's "tons," it should be easy to name just one of them, right?
    It supresses appetite.

    LOLOLOLOL
    & other liquids don't do the same thing? Remember - your original statement was that water has benefits that OTHER DRINKS DON'T
    Right, lets see. 8 glasses of water a day or 8 glasses of random crap i.e some full fat coke and some lucozade (very calorific). I think the 8 glasses of water is gunna be a lot more beneficial. It flushes out toxins ect, i can really see fizzy pop ect doing that, more like the cals would just add to me hips so please, get over yourself.

    Your body will filter out most toxins quite efficiently, regardless of what you drink. Water doesn't do this any more efficiently than Coke. The only difference is that Coke has sugar and caffeine added to the water, which may be undesirable, depending on your diet and lifestyle.
  • ssforcey
    ssforcey Posts: 92 Member
    Mio
  • trud72
    trud72 Posts: 1,912 Member
    try lemon juice in it x
  • nollie04
    nollie04 Posts: 2
    Cucumber in water - 0 calories or sugar, but makes it taste fresh
  • katysmelly
    katysmelly Posts: 380 Member
    If you drink water and then add caffeine it does negate the value of the water because it is a diuretic and will make you pee it out thus making you less hydrated...It's really not rocket science. I can't believe anyone would argue that soda/tea/coffee/etc. is just as good for you to drink as water.

    You don't pee that much. You will have a net gain of water. There are people who only ever drink diet coke or tea or whatever. They are not dehydrated.

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