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I don't partake and I can still understand and enjoy Tool. Some of it takes research and a whole lot of quiet moments alone, but it's worth the time.
And yes, DMT was involved. And acid. And mushrooms.
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I enjoy going to the dentist. I could sleep getting my teeth cleaned.0
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I hate getting professional massages. Husband gave me a certificate for one years ago as a birthday gift--I waited until the day it was going to expire then finally did it--hated every second.0
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I don't partake and I can still understand and enjoy Tool. Some of it takes research and a whole lot of quiet moments alone, but it's worth the time.
And yes, DMT was involved. And acid. And mushrooms.
Not that we have ever tried these life changing substances eh :flowerforyou:0 -
The Koran and most other "holy books" also instruct their followers to go out an proselytize. That isn't unique to the Bible. I respect others' right to believe in and preach about what they want. Likewise, you should respect my right to not believe in god(s). It doesn't take faith to hold no belief. I don't believe in unicorns, faeries, or elves either. Does that take faith? No. Atheists aren't forcing you not to believe in gods. There's a reason, however, why atheists and other non-believers (theological noncognivitists, agnostics, ignosticts, etc.) engage with believers. Most of the atheists I know know more about religion and theology than most believers. We've studied and through logic and reason have come to the conclusion that there is no credible evidence for belief in gods. We also are acutely aware of the harm that organized religion and faith have caused in the world. Other posters have detailed those harms (Inquisition, Pogroms, anti-gay laws, wars, discrimination, etc.) on this thread so I don't need to provide the specifics. Ultimately, everyone has to decide for themselves what they believe or don't believe. I just think it's important that people are informed. I sent my kids to parochial schools but I also told them that when they were old enough they were free to make their own decisions about god. My son turned 19 last week. He is a self-professed atheist. My daughter is 14 and she is a believer, like my wife, but I don't worry because she has an open mind and questions everything.
Cheers!
Quoted from part 1
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.0 -
MFP shouldn't have forums (she says after she realizes how much time she's spent reading...)0
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I'm coming legit! The only brain-altering substance I've had is alcohol, but not nearly as often as before. Honestly, my unpopular opinion that you can have fun without being ****ed up all the time. Experimenting is a different thing though and I'm willing to try
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The Koran and most other "holy books" also instruct their followers to go out an proselytize. That isn't unique to the Bible. I respect others' right to believe in and preach about what they want. Likewise, you should respect my right to not believe in god(s). It doesn't take faith to hold no belief. I don't believe in unicorns, faeries, or elves either. Does that take faith? No. Atheists aren't forcing you not to believe in gods. There's a reason, however, why atheists and other non-believers (theological noncognivitists, agnostics, ignosticts, etc.) engage with believers. Most of the atheists I know know more about religion and theology than most believers. We've studied and through logic and reason have come to the conclusion that there is no credible evidence for belief in gods. We also are acutely aware of the harm that organized religion and faith have caused in the world. Other posters have detailed those harms (Inquisition, Pogroms, anti-gay laws, wars, discrimination, etc.) on this thread so I don't need to provide the specifics. Ultimately, everyone has to decide for themselves what they believe or don't believe. I just think it's important that people are informed. I sent my kids to parochial schools but I also told them that when they were old enough they were free to make their own decisions about god. My son turned 19 last week. He is a self-professed atheist. My daughter is 14 and she is a believer, like my wife, but I don't worry because she has an open mind and questions everything.
Cheers!
Quoted from part 1
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.
Not meaning to carry on this discussion about religion, but just to clarify a mistake in fact - I'm pretty sure Hitler was a Christian :ohwell:
Though he wasn't massacring Jews in the name of God, so I guess that's something.0 -
The Koran and most other "holy books" also instruct their followers to go out an proselytize. That isn't unique to the Bible. I respect others' right to believe in and preach about what they want. Likewise, you should respect my right to not believe in god(s). It doesn't take faith to hold no belief. I don't believe in unicorns, faeries, or elves either. Does that take faith? No. Atheists aren't forcing you not to believe in gods. There's a reason, however, why atheists and other non-believers (theological noncognivitists, agnostics, ignosticts, etc.) engage with believers. Most of the atheists I know know more about religion and theology than most believers. We've studied and through logic and reason have come to the conclusion that there is no credible evidence for belief in gods. We also are acutely aware of the harm that organized religion and faith have caused in the world. Other posters have detailed those harms (Inquisition, Pogroms, anti-gay laws, wars, discrimination, etc.) on this thread so I don't need to provide the specifics. Ultimately, everyone has to decide for themselves what they believe or don't believe. I just think it's important that people are informed. I sent my kids to parochial schools but I also told them that when they were old enough they were free to make their own decisions about god. My son turned 19 last week. He is a self-professed atheist. My daughter is 14 and she is a believer, like my wife, but I don't worry because she has an open mind and questions everything.
Cheers!
Quoted from part 1
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.
Thats nothing my high score will make these guys look like casuals0 -
People who smoke anything should be required to do community service once a year, spending a day picking up cigarette butts.0
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People who smoke anything should be required to do community service once a year, spending a day picking up cigarette butts.
Srsly.0 -
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.
Hitler identified himself as a Christian, and believed in something he called the "Aryan Christ".0 -
I'm coming legit! The only brain-altering substance I've had is alcohol, but not nearly as often as before. Honestly, my unpopular opinion that you can have fun without being ****ed up all the time. Experimenting is a different thing though and I'm willing to try
As long as your carful they really can help you get through bad times.
My unpopular idea
we could treat depression, Ed , fear of death with these substances0 -
The Koran and most other "holy books" also instruct their followers to go out an proselytize. That isn't unique to the Bible. I respect others' right to believe in and preach about what they want. Likewise, you should respect my right to not believe in god(s). It doesn't take faith to hold no belief. I don't believe in unicorns, faeries, or elves either. Does that take faith? No. Atheists aren't forcing you not to believe in gods. There's a reason, however, why atheists and other non-believers (theological noncognivitists, agnostics, ignosticts, etc.) engage with believers. Most of the atheists I know know more about religion and theology than most believers. We've studied and through logic and reason have come to the conclusion that there is no credible evidence for belief in gods. We also are acutely aware of the harm that organized religion and faith have caused in the world. Other posters have detailed those harms (Inquisition, Pogroms, anti-gay laws, wars, discrimination, etc.) on this thread so I don't need to provide the specifics. Ultimately, everyone has to decide for themselves what they believe or don't believe. I just think it's important that people are informed. I sent my kids to parochial schools but I also told them that when they were old enough they were free to make their own decisions about god. My son turned 19 last week. He is a self-professed atheist. My daughter is 14 and she is a believer, like my wife, but I don't worry because she has an open mind and questions everything.
Cheers!
Quoted from part 1
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.
Not meaning to carry on this discussion about religion, but just to clarify a mistake in fact - I'm pretty sure Hitler was a Christian :ohwell:
Though he wasn't massacring Jews in the name of God, so I guess that's something.
Woah....let's not go there at all. Hitler was NOT a Christian. I dont care if he used the name of God or not.........Hitler was also very curious about the occult, should we call him a Wiccan? Heck no because then the Wiccan's would freak out. Hitler was a monster.....not a Christian.0 -
I'm coming legit! The only brain-altering substance I've had is alcohol, but not nearly as often as before. Honestly, my unpopular opinion that you can have fun without being ****ed up all the time. Experimenting is a different thing though and I'm willing to try
As long as your carful they really can help you get through bad times.
My unpopular idea
we could treat depression, Ed , fear of death with these substances
That has substance, actually. And it's not that I hate everything about it, honestly. Just haven't taken that leap. Alcohol is only fun socially and in moderate doses. Then again...I'm terrified of vomit and the act thereof, so I try hard not to do anything to cause it. lol0 -
lol...i think its funny how the issue of God's existence came upon so suddenly in this post...i think its preposterous to think that there is no proof of God...especially if you have eyes that work and you can see...i dont know- everything in the world lol...but what is really nice about this world we live in is that everyone is for the most part (i suppose depending on where u live) we have complete freedom to choose what we will or will not believe...
and i dont mind hearing what other ppl feel about this world or God or anything else...just as long as they dont criticize others publicly for making whatever choices they do! thats really where i draw the line- dont tell others they are wrong (if they are then thats their own choice- kinda like smoking- if you choose to kill yourself then fine- just dont smoke around me and kill me along with the process!)
in the end whoever is right will be right and whoever is wrong will be wrong...but as long as you are happy with your ideas and opinions then more power to you0 -
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.
Hitler identified himself as a Christian, and believed in something he called the "Aryan Christ".
Hitler falls in line with the likes of the Westboro Baptist people, Jim Jones, David Koresh and many others who claimed to be Christians but were not. No Christian, a true follower of Christ, would ever EVER agree that these people were Christians.0 -
The Koran and most other "holy books" also instruct their followers to go out an proselytize. That isn't unique to the Bible. I respect others' right to believe in and preach about what they want. Likewise, you should respect my right to not believe in god(s). It doesn't take faith to hold no belief. I don't believe in unicorns, faeries, or elves either. Does that take faith? No. Atheists aren't forcing you not to believe in gods. There's a reason, however, why atheists and other non-believers (theological noncognivitists, agnostics, ignosticts, etc.) engage with believers. Most of the atheists I know know more about religion and theology than most believers. We've studied and through logic and reason have come to the conclusion that there is no credible evidence for belief in gods. We also are acutely aware of the harm that organized religion and faith have caused in the world. Other posters have detailed those harms (Inquisition, Pogroms, anti-gay laws, wars, discrimination, etc.) on this thread so I don't need to provide the specifics. Ultimately, everyone has to decide for themselves what they believe or don't believe. I just think it's important that people are informed. I sent my kids to parochial schools but I also told them that when they were old enough they were free to make their own decisions about god. My son turned 19 last week. He is a self-professed atheist. My daughter is 14 and she is a believer, like my wife, but I don't worry because she has an open mind and questions everything.
Cheers!
Quoted from part 1
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.
Not meaning to carry on this discussion about religion, but just to clarify a mistake in fact - I'm pretty sure Hitler was a Christian :ohwell:
Though he wasn't massacring Jews in the name of God, so I guess that's something.
Woah....let's not go there at all. Hitler was NOT a Christian. I dont care if he used the name of God or not.........Hitler was also very curious about the occult, should we call him a Wiccan? Heck no because then the Wiccan's would freak out. Hitler was a monster.....not a Christian.
Some writings of Hitler
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)0 -
Woah....let's not go there at all. Hitler was NOT a Christian. I dont care if he used the name of God or not.........Hitler was also very curious about the occult, should we call him a Wiccan? Heck no because then the Wiccan's would freak out. Hitler was a monster.....not a Christian.
I meant that I'm pretty sure he identified himself as Christian... I thought this was widely known? I'm not using this to rag on religion, coz by that logic all Germans are horrible coz Hitler was German, which obviously isn't true... the poster just said all those men weren't religious, and I'm just clarifying by pointing out that Hitler was in fact religious...0 -
The Koran and most other "holy books" also instruct their followers to go out an proselytize. That isn't unique to the Bible. I respect others' right to believe in and preach about what they want. Likewise, you should respect my right to not believe in god(s). It doesn't take faith to hold no belief. I don't believe in unicorns, faeries, or elves either. Does that take faith? No. Atheists aren't forcing you not to believe in gods. There's a reason, however, why atheists and other non-believers (theological noncognivitists, agnostics, ignosticts, etc.) engage with believers. Most of the atheists I know know more about religion and theology than most believers. We've studied and through logic and reason have come to the conclusion that there is no credible evidence for belief in gods. We also are acutely aware of the harm that organized religion and faith have caused in the world. Other posters have detailed those harms (Inquisition, Pogroms, anti-gay laws, wars, discrimination, etc.) on this thread so I don't need to provide the specifics. Ultimately, everyone has to decide for themselves what they believe or don't believe. I just think it's important that people are informed. I sent my kids to parochial schools but I also told them that when they were old enough they were free to make their own decisions about god. My son turned 19 last week. He is a self-professed atheist. My daughter is 14 and she is a believer, like my wife, but I don't worry because she has an open mind and questions everything.
Cheers!
Quoted from part 1
Death tolls
Pol Pot >2 million
Hitler > 6 million
Stalin at least 20 million (some sources say 50 million)
None of these men believed in God
Not an argument for the presence of God, but irritates me when people blame all major genocides etc on religion.
Hitler was a Catholic
Stalin was an atheist but he didn't do what he did in the name of atheism. In fact, his government bore all the indicia of religion (See, e.g., Trofim Lysenko and Stalin's religious faith in junk science).
Pol Pot was not so big an Atheist as some Christians would like to present, mixing communism (social relations between humans) with atheism (humans relations with god) - they are two separate ideologies. The inflammatory comparison between the two is a logical fallacy in which the secular nature of Communism is assumed to justify the conclusion that all secularists are Communists, which is clearly not the case since an attribute of one system may also be an attribute of other systems. The American constitutional republic, for example, is also secular in nature. The Khmer Rouge had an ideology (apart and aside from atheism) that guided their actions.
Sorry, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who committed genocide in the name of atheism.0
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