Paleo diet
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I've always been curious as to why the anti-processing fad bandwagon hasn't turned their attention to water. Compared to food water is dowright horrifying (bottled watter (or other non-municipal source) is no better, and in many instances actually worse). There is a reason that up until about 200 years ago, beer was the safest liquid to drink. Even now though sanitation is one of mankinds great inventions it really is a lesser of two evils situation, water is full of bad things and we do bad things to it, but because of this it won't get you sick (right away); we can't afford to take the bad things out of it and have to put the bad things in it.0
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Um, not necessarily. Some of us do, in fact, have intolerances to meat and eggs. I have no problems with grains (or legumes or dairy, for that matter). Why would I eliminate the things I can eat from my diet?Remember people, most fad diets are just that...fads. Eat less. Do more. Go hard.
There is nothing faddy about eating lots of vegetables, meat, fish, eggs fruit. Its what humans are meant to eat - not processed grass seeds.
you wouldn't.....congrats.0 -
The people making fools of themselves are those that believe that healthy grains, like brown rice, or whole wheat bread (especially bread made yourself) is any further from "natural" than eating veggies and lean meats. Rice is a staple in the diets of the most healthy people on the planet. And dwarf wheat saved an entire population from starvation. Eating naturally is a great thing, but grains are natural, if you eat them correctly. And if you people want performance, name me an endurance athlete that eats strictly paleo. You need carbs from grains to round out a balanced diet, especially if you are an endurance athlete. Whole wheat pasta, long grain brown rice, and natural multi-grain bread are vital contributors to a well-balanced diet. I've tried paleo. I've tried atkins, south beach, Mediterranean, you name it. If you want a total eating plan, try the Biggest Loser diet. No fads, no gimmicks, just sound nutritional advice based in real science, not "common sense" ethereal garbage.
so....if I feel better, sleep better and have more energy after I cut grains out of my diet, I should still eat them anyway because grains are "natural"?
And nobody eats wheat off the field. It has to be processed and bleached and packaged and preserved to be palatable.
Are you sure about that? Because I can find my grain mill, but I don't seem to have a bleacher, a packager, or preserver that apparently required to make my whole wheat palatable.
Jay obviously doesn't have a clue as to how grains are harvested and "processed."0 -
Remember people, most fad diets are just that...fads. Eat less. Do more. Go hard.
There is nothing faddy about eating lots of vegetables, meat, fish, eggs fruit. Its what humans are meant to eat - not processed grass seeds.
exactly....I just dont get how people want to label this as a fad. For me, getting away from most fast food and most over processed convenience foods is not a fad, It just seems like the right thing to do.
Yes, this exactly. I call it "paleo" because that's the accepted term used to describe it. What it IS, for me, is eating real foods, not processed, no hidden ingredients. I eat meat and veggies and fruits, eggs, (very little) dairy, a few nuts. If that is a "fad" or a "craze" then so be it. The difference in how I feel with and without grains and added sugars is nothing short of phenomenal. You can't really describe to someone how you felt "fine" before (never knowing that that wasn't actually "fine") and then how amazing you felt later. You think you feel good until you FEEL GREAT. You have to experience it for yourself.
yep...and people will still bash it....amazing....the heck with em.0 -
The only "processing" done to an oat is that it is husked, washed, and baked. There isn't anything but water added in the process.
I said most not all. A for effort though.
By the way, non-enriched wheat isn't "processed" either. It is reaped, cleaned, tempered, and ground. Enriched wheat has additives, which are not natural. You find this in WHITE BREAD for example. So, where's the processing you are talking about?0 -
I originally had pretty substantial issues with the paleo diet. Not because of the diet itself, but because of how many folks I knew or spoke with on it had a ridiculous superiority complex that was obnoxious as hell. I recognize that if you're following a diet paradigm you should be expected to think it's the best (otherwise why not do the one that's better?) but you don't have to be a ***** about it.
Since then I've met more than a few more moderate practicioners. They see it as a guideline or an ideal to work towards, but aren't extremist in their following of the diet, or in pushing said diet on others.
I think there are some very good things about Paleo. Eating lots of protein and fat and fibrous vegetables can really help with satiety. Eating nutrient dense foods is also a very good thing. I don't personally think that grains are the debil, but if you don't want to eat them more power to you.0 -
I originally had pretty substantial issues with the paleo diet. Not because of the diet itself, but because of how many folks I knew or spoke with on it had a ridiculous superiority complex that was obnoxious as hell. I recognize that if you're following a diet paradigm you should be expected to think it's the best (otherwise why not do the one that's better?) but you don't have to be a ***** about it.
Since then I've met more than a few more moderate practicioners. They see it as a guideline or an ideal to work towards, but aren't extremist in their following of the diet, or in pushing said diet on others.
I think there are some very good things about Paleo. Eating lots of protein and fat and fibrous vegetables can really help with satiety. Eating nutrient dense foods is also a very good thing. I don't personally think that grains are the debil, but if you don't want to eat them more power to you.
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Started Paleo today as part of a two week cleanse. What I am concentrating on is the limiting of salt, sugar and grains. If it works, I'll try to stick to it. Kudos to all of you that are trying to clean up your diet.
People remeber that these posts are to help people with thier weight loss. Not to be come a p!ssing constest on different diets and who knows what.:frown:0 -
I truly wish Geico would bring back the TV caveman. He was funny.
Lost 40 pounds in 8 months on a modified primal diet and lots of exercise. Try it, not much to lose except maybe some pounds.
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Best advice for anyone wanting to know anything about Paleo: use the handy search feature for the message boards. Posting a new topic just starts another debate that's been had about a hundred times.
That being said, paleo is no better than any other minimally processed, whole foods diet. If you're gluten intolerant I recommend it, if you're lactose intolerant I recommend it. Unless you have a specific health issue with a certain food, or like me you have a habit of binging on certain foods, there's no need to eliminate them. Moderation is the best approach.0 -
What slays me is that the vast majority of ONOEZ PROCESSED crowd regularly uses one or more of the following:
-Multivitamin
-Fish oil
-Protein powder
, etc
All of these undergo much more processing than pasteurized milk or enriched wheat.0 -
The people making fools of themselves are those that believe that healthy grains, like brown rice, or whole wheat bread (especially bread made yourself) is any further from "natural" than eating veggies and lean meats. Rice is a staple in the diets of the most healthy people on the planet. And dwarf wheat saved an entire population from starvation. Eating naturally is a great thing, but grains are natural, if you eat them correctly. And if you people want performance, name me an endurance athlete that eats strictly paleo. You need carbs from grains to round out a balanced diet, especially if you are an endurance athlete. Whole wheat pasta, long grain brown rice, and natural multi-grain bread are vital contributors to a well-balanced diet. I've tried paleo. I've tried atkins, south beach, Mediterranean, you name it. If you want a total eating plan, try the Biggest Loser diet. No fads, no gimmicks, just sound nutritional advice based in real science, not "common sense" ethereal garbage.
so....if I feel better, sleep better and have more energy after I cut grains out of my diet, I should still eat them anyway because grains are "natural"?
And nobody eats wheat off the field. It has to be processed and bleached and packaged and preserved to be palatable.
Are you sure about that? Because I can find my grain mill, but I don't seem to have a bleacher, a packager, or preserver that apparently required to make my whole wheat palatable.
Jay obviously doesn't have a clue as to how grains are harvested and "processed."
Uh oh, better help me out here, because you totally know waaaay more than I do about where I get my grain and flour from! Please tell me what you know so that I can have a clue! I mean, I go right to Monsanto comapny store down the road and buy all the GMO grain I can eat!0 -
What slays me is that the vast majority of ONOEZ PROCESSED crowd regularly uses one or more of the following:
-Multivitamin
-Fish oil
-Protein powder
, etc
All of these undergo much more processing than pasteurized milk or enriched wheat.
I don't!!!! I feel nutrition should come from FOOD. not pills.0 -
What slays me is that the vast majority of ONOEZ PROCESSED crowd regularly uses one or more of the following:
-Multivitamin
-Fish oil
-Protein powder
, etc
All of these undergo much more processing than pasteurized milk or enriched wheat.
Cavemen ate syntha-6 you blasphemer!!!!!!0 -
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What slays me is that the vast majority of ONOEZ PROCESSED crowd regularly uses one or more of the following:
-Multivitamin
-Fish oil
-Protein powder
, etc
All of these undergo much more processing than pasteurized milk or enriched wheat.
....and lets not even think about things like iso-butyl-propanoic-phenolic acid or Sildenafil citrate.0 -
In fact this is the case with most veggies. People are so confused as to what is an isn't nutritious; many veggies have virtually no nutritional value aside from a small amount of micronutrients yet they are praised for their healtiness.
Fiber, water content, and vitamins count for nothing? ...Are you serious?Fat people are especially screwed up since they villify macronutrients in the name of becoming less fat, and they equate getting thinner with getting healthier. This leads to an understanding of nutrition and eating in people that is bewilderingly out in left field; flipping macro and micro nutrients when considering nutritional value, villifying primary nurients as being not nutritious depite being vital for the body and needed in copious amounts.
This is a broad freaking brush you're painting with.
"Fat people" have a variety of different stances on macronutrients; most commonly, none at all.0 -
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iso-butyl-propanoic-phenolic acid or Sildenafil citrate.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm........0 -
You guys are making me want a burger.....
*runs to get burger*
Do paleoeans eat burgers?
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You guys are making me want a burger.....
*runs to get burger*
Do paleoeans eat burgers?
YES - nom nom nom...just hold the bun 0 -
I'm pretty much doing this anyways..not 100% because I do at times eat things that is not allowed on here, but not very often. The only thing I eat on a regular basis is yogurt. That's my breakfast and I enjoy it. Eggs are okay, the meat part I've got down, I don't eat a whole of of veggies just because they aren't my favorite, I've let go of all processed foods except the yogurt and smoked pork chops, although I think of them as processed, but if I can have bacon on the paleo diet then smoked pork chops should be fine. We get our meat from the local meat market so I can call them to see if their beef is grass or grain fed. I eat canned tuna and probably the biggest processed food I eat. I eat nothing fried unless it's dry fried or a tablespoon of butter. Most of the things I can give up, butter would not be a problem. I love what I'm doing...actually hungry now so I'm off to the kitchen to eat some meat..lol0
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I find it surprising that no one mentions the effect grains (carbs) have on insulin. That is the whole point of Primal Blueprint and the main reason behind easy weight gain. When I understood how the body reacts to the different macros it makes sense to me to direct my body to burn fat rather than store fat. It's weird that some people think there hasn't been any scientific tests when there are plenty. If you don't think so you should read the books that support this diet as they are full of them.
Saying all of this I would never feel superior to others because of my food choices and I think anyone who does is a fool.0 -
I find it surprising that no one mentions the effect grains (carbs) have on insulin. That is the whole point of Primal Blueprint and the main reason behind easy weight gain. When I understood how the body reacts to the different macros it makes sense to me to direct my body to burn fat rather than store fat. It's weird that some people think there hasn't been any scientific tests when there are plenty. If you don't think so you should read the books that support this diet as they are full of them.
Saying all of this I would never feel superior to others because of my food choices and I think anyone who does is a fool.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=3190 -
iso-butyl-propanoic-phenolic acid or Sildenafil citrate.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm........
Cavemen did not need viagra0 -
iso-butyl-propanoic-phenolic acid or Sildenafil citrate.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm........
Cavemen did not need viagra
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Here's the basic problem with the Paleo diet: it is not based on any sort of historical facts. The cavemen Mark Sisson and others who espouse this diet only had a life expectancy of about 45 years. And we have learned that certain things are better for you than others. It's called EVOLUTION, and we are living it every day. This is essentially a low carb diet, with most of your carbs coming from fruits, veggies, and nuts. You don't, however, see a lot of athletes using this diet because they would gas out. Just a thought.
Digression: Hard for me to read "Michael Furey" without thinking about Joyce's "The Dead." I know, common name.0 -
I find it surprising that no one mentions the effect grains (carbs) have on insulin. That is the whole point of Primal Blueprint and the main reason behind easy weight gain. When I understood how the body reacts to the different macros it makes sense to me to direct my body to burn fat rather than store fat. It's weird that some people think there hasn't been any scientific tests when there are plenty. If you don't think so you should read the books that support this diet as they are full of them.
Saying all of this I would never feel superior to others because of my food choices and I think anyone who does is a fool.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
^ I keep quoting Ron.
Seriously though, that article is incredible and I'd recommend it to people who have concerns that are stemming from insulin.0 -
What slays me is that the vast majority of ONOEZ PROCESSED crowd regularly uses one or more of the following:
-Multivitamin
-Fish oil
-Protein powder
, etc
All of these undergo much more processing than pasteurized milk or enriched wheat.
The only thing I take on that list is Fish Oil and it is from Innate Choice.0 -
What slays me is that the vast majority of ONOEZ PROCESSED crowd regularly uses one or more of the following:
-Multivitamin
-Fish oil
-Protein powder
, etc
All of these undergo much more processing than pasteurized milk or enriched wheat.
The only thing I take on that list is Fish Oil and it is from Innate Choice.
I don't take any of them.
I don't take viagra or any pain killers either lol.0
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