Calling All REAL animal lovers!!!

fiveohmike

There is nothing that points to a creator, all we have are questions that don't have answers. When you are accepting a 'creator', you are already giving an answer. Its lazy.

No, When you're allowing the possibility of a higher power, then you're practicing science. When you're shunning the idea of any possible higher power, you're practicing Atheism. Both are not the same. Atheism is just another religion in that sense where instead of displaying absolute faith in something, you're displaying absolute lack of faith. Neither is science but both can benefit and contribute to science.

The main point of religion is oppression. If they are not able to oppressed people then they have no salvation to offer. What would they have to offer if everyone was just fine? This is true for many of the major religions, not just Christianity. Christianity, oppresses women, Muslim oppresses women, Buddhism women still aren't equal. Hindu, a class system. Religion would have nothing to offer if people were okay and doing for themselves so they must find ways to control and oppress and make people believe the religion is needed and they will do this at any cost to preserve the religion/control.

How is that relevant to science? You said religion have never in the history helped science. I proved to you otherwise. Now you're running out of things to defend yourself and going for religion bashing. Not very scientist like OR atheist like.

I'm just speaking the truth about religion and why religion was created. Its only offensive because religion in itself has been offensive. Atheism is not a religion by the way. To be a religion you must have a higher power to worship, atheism does not have this, atheism is just a term that means without God. I have no religion and I'll never put a false label/answer to a question just because I do not know the answer, that is true science.

Thank you for finally admitting you're close minded about everything that you donot believe in. Yeesh only took you so long

I think she just won the award for the most close minded person on MFP

cannonsky

I never said animals weren't meant to be eaten, although I don't eat them. I am a science major. I know and love the circle of life. I am saying that Earth was not made for humans and animals were not made solely for the purpose of serving humans.

the simple fact that the earth was not specifically made for humans does not negate the fact that the earth's resources come in handy from time to time

doorki

There is nothing that points to a creator, all we have are questions that don't have answers. When you are accepting a 'creator', you are already giving an answer. Its lazy.

No, When you're allowing the possibility of a higher power, then you're practicing science. When you're shunning the idea of any possible higher power, you're practicing Atheism. Both are not the same. Atheism is just another religion in that sense where instead of displaying absolute faith in something, you're displaying absolute lack of faith. Neither is science but both can benefit and contribute to science.

The main point of religion is oppression. If they are not able to oppressed people then they have no salvation to offer. What would they have to offer if everyone was just fine? This is true for many of the major religions, not just Christianity. Christianity, oppresses women, Muslim oppresses women, Buddhism women still aren't equal. Hindu, a class system. Religion would have nothing to offer if people were okay and doing for themselves so they must find ways to control and oppress and make people believe the religion is needed and they will do this at any cost to preserve the religion/control.

How is that relevant to science? You said religion have never in the history helped science. I proved to you otherwise. Now you're running out of things to defend yourself and going for religion bashing. Not very scientist like OR atheist like.

I'm just speaking the truth about religion and why religion was created. Its only offensive because religion in itself has been offensive. Atheism is not a religion by the way. To be a religion you must have a higher power to worship, atheism does not have this, atheism is just a term that means without God. I have no religion and I'll never put a false label/answer to a question just because I do not know the answer, that is true science.

Religion was not created to control. Religion was created in order to explain our surroundings. When it became involved in government is when it was used as a tool to control.

Atheism does have the trappings of a religion where it has a creation mythology, a clergy and doctrines.

ShanniLee

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At least I can sleep a little better knowing someone else thinks the bible is a joke.
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This entire thread is a joke!!

rml_16

Sweetie, you are never going to convince the vast majority of human beings to agree with anything you say. None of us will ever experience that. And it isn't worth your time or energy to do so.

I don't necessarily believe humans are better than animals or that animals exist to serve us. But at the same time, as long as the animals are treated humanely, I don't stress about it. Put your time and energy into making sure there are laws about humane treatment, education for the ignorant who abuse animals or don't believe in getting their pets spayed or neutered, and funding for the agencies that enforce the cruelty laws.

FitCurves444

Are you sure you want to pull at that thread? Domesticated animals depend on us. Animals in the wild have shorter life spans than those in "captivity". Animals are happy to be our companions. There is nothing that should drive you 'insane" or make you lose sleep over that. Treating animals like humans does them more harm than good. REAL animal lovers know that.

Mr_Cape219

I never said animals weren't meant to be eaten, although I don't eat them. I am a science major. I know and love the circle of life. I am saying that Earth was not made for humans and animals were not made solely for the purpose of serving humans.

the simple fact that the earth was not specifically made for humans does not negate the fact that the earth's resources come in handy from time to time

Here is a question to turn those gears.

Do you think that humans are a resource to Earth as well?

ironanimal

I never said animals weren't meant to be eaten, although I don't eat them. I am a science major. I know and love the circle of life. I am saying that Earth was not made for humans and animals were not made solely for the purpose of serving humans.

the simple fact that the earth was not specifically made for humans does not negate the fact that the earth's resources come in handy from time to time

Here is a question to turn those gears.

Do you think that humans are a resource to Earth as well?

They are when they die and decompose.

cannonsky

I never said animals weren't meant to be eaten, although I don't eat them. I am a science major. I know and love the circle of life. I am saying that Earth was not made for humans and animals were not made solely for the purpose of serving humans.

the simple fact that the earth was not specifically made for humans does not negate the fact that the earth's resources come in handy from time to time

Here is a question to turn those gears.

Do you think that humans are a resource to Earth as well?

In a sense yes... but not in the way you are probably implying

doorki

I never said animals weren't meant to be eaten, although I don't eat them. I am a science major. I know and love the circle of life. I am saying that Earth was not made for humans and animals were not made solely for the purpose of serving humans.

the simple fact that the earth was not specifically made for humans does not negate the fact that the earth's resources come in handy from time to time

Here is a question to turn those gears.

Do you think that humans are a resource to Earth as well?

Well played to you both.

I need to think on an answer to that.

Mr_Cape219

I never said animals weren't meant to be eaten, although I don't eat them. I am a science major. I know and love the circle of life. I am saying that Earth was not made for humans and animals were not made solely for the purpose of serving humans.

the simple fact that the earth was not specifically made for humans does not negate the fact that the earth's resources come in handy from time to time

Here is a question to turn those gears.

Do you think that humans are a resource to Earth as well?

In a sense yes... but not in the way you are probably implying

In what way? I wasnt implying anything. It is a broad and open ended question free for discussion.

taunto

Here is a question to turn those gears.

Do you think that humans are a resource to Earth as well?

Ya know, that is infact an excellent question. One that makes you wonder

Were the Europeans a resource to North America? I mean The Native Americans were happy with their lives but then (putting aside all the massacre and oppression) all this development was done here, did that made the non-Native Americans a resource to this land?

I guess you would have to define resource to earth. We have definitely done advancements on the land. So in a way we've improved the earth in a way a mother improves a child by installing culture, ethics, morals, education but on the other hand, we've done (mostly in the recent history) some seriously damaging acts towards Earth too. Hopefully we're making advancements towards the point where while developing we're still taking care of earth and rectifying the cruelties done towards earth

cannonsky

I never said animals weren't meant to be eaten, although I don't eat them. I am a science major. I know and love the circle of life. I am saying that Earth was not made for humans and animals were not made solely for the purpose of serving humans.

the simple fact that the earth was not specifically made for humans does not negate the fact that the earth's resources come in handy from time to time

Here is a question to turn those gears.

Do you think that humans are a resource to Earth as well?

In a sense yes... but not in the way you are probably implying

In what way? I wasnt implying anything. It is a broad and open ended question free for discussion.

Well... as ironanimal stated... decomposition makes a wonderful resource for the earth. I suppose maybe I could clarify your statement to say that we are a resource ON the earth rather than TO the earth. We each have the ability to utilize our knowledge and abilities as well as the knowledge and abilities of others in the effort to achieve something.... be it a government or asking that very tall person down the hall to change your lightbulb. In that sense we are all resources to each other. We are able to do things for one another and provide opportunities for growth, knowledge (or the opposite or those if you're a mean one)

gwduker

At least I can sleep a little better knowing someone else thinks the bible is a joke.
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This entire thread is a joke!!
[/quote]To those of you who think the Bible is a joke, I feel sorry for you for not having anything to look forward to after death. Also, if nothing else, the Bible is the best history book on the planet. The more scientists try to disprove events, the more they solidify the fatcs of the Bible. Off my soap box now.

WhittRak

I'm going out of my mind here. I feel like everywhere I go someone wants to argue with me about my beliefs that animals have the right to exist on planet earth just as humans do. Animals were NOT created for the purpose of serving mankind, and humans are NOT the superior species. I can't even sleep tonight knowing that there are so many people that disagree with me. It's so insane to me! So, for my sanity, please let me know if you feel like I do. I need some support here!!!

BTW... This is not about me being vegetarian. This has nothing to do with not eating animals. I am a science major and I happen to appreciate the circle of life. I just choose not to eat animals because I don't want to personally cause them harm. I have no problem with the food chain. This is about thinking humans are superior to animals and that animals are here to serve mankind... NOT TRUE.

i agree, feel free to add me. :flowerforyou:

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