"No Mayo?" Why Americans Are Fat
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Some of you are taking what im saying too literally. Im just trying to say, since we are all trying to loose weight, i thought it would be wise to say... if you make a 200 calorie sandwich and you put 50 calories of mayo on it, mayo isnt really a food that fills you up. You could have some kind of fruit or veggie that is 50 calories instead of the mayo and it will fill you up because it is food. That way you you can eat more of something that keeps you full. Yes there are low calorie mayo's etc, but i was responding to the MAIN ASKER of this post...at a deli, there usually isnt a low calorie mayo, they just slab it on. So no, i dont think getting mayo at a deli is a good choice just because you dont know what kind or how many calories, etc. THAT IS ALL. If you cut mayo from DELI sandwiches, its a good choice because of the fact that you dont really know how much it is. Sure you can say lite mayo or ask for only a little bit, thats fine. Obviously mayo can be high in calories "like an avocado". Just saying, i would rather have an avocado than mayo. I found this article that explains what im trying to say. You can have mayo, but if you dont eat it, it may have slight affects on your weight loss goal, JUST LIKE IF YOU CUT OUT ANY FOOD, FATTY OR NOT. Way to serious on here, stop thinking people are attacking what your saying or eating and blowing what i say out of proportion.
While you may have heard that not all fats are bad for you, there are particular ones that are. Mayonnaise is bad for you if you consume too much of the high fat kind.
Many of the ingredients found in mayonnaise are not necessarily bad for you, like eggs, water, lemon juice and even salt. However, when you pile it on sandwiches or dips, mayonnaise can increase your cholesterol and add excessive calories to an otherwise healthy meal.
Mayonnaise is typically made of egg yolks. The eggs act as an emulsifier that binds the ingredients together. There are a variety of other ingredients contained in store-bought mayonnaise that allows it to sit safely on the shelves for months. In fact, most mayonnaises found in the grocery store have a shelf life of up to six months. Not all of the ingredients are healthy or natural, which is why many doctors and heart specialists indicate that mayonnaise is bad for you.
Mayonnaise is high in fat and cholesterol. A healthy diet should not consist of large supplies of any foods that are high in saturated fats and cholesterol, otherwise your heart and waistline suffer. If mayonnaise is not something you want to get rid of, look for healthy alternatives, such as mayonnaise made with olive oil or lighter variations of the condiment.
So yes, there are good mayo options, so no not all mayo is bad. But to the original poster, i wouldnt get mayo at a deli just because i wouldnt feel in control of the portion or type of mayo. THATS ALL.
1. Fat is not bad for you, fat has not been shown in any modern studies to have any negative effect on heart health, and in fact has been show to be heart protective in a lot of studies.
2. Mayo averages 90-100 calories per tablespoon. High calorie, no one will debate that, but lower than all oils, that are about 120 per tablespoon.
3. A 15 oz jar of mayo has less cholesterol than one egg in it. That's not per serving, that's the entire jar, 30 servings worth.
4. Tablespoon for tablespoon, mayo has less saturated fat and total fat than extra virgin olive oil.0 -
Nutrition is a completely separate concept. No food exists in a vacuum. Overall nutritional goals are important. Reaching those goals matter. Just comparing nutrition in mayo vs nutrition in an avocado is meaningless because it ignores the entire rest of the day's nutrition and food choices. If someone has already consumed enough micro nutrients, including fiber, and is looking to fill out discretionary calories, is an avocado automatically a better choice than mayo? Not, it isn't. It won't have a health effect either way, provided you use the same amount of calories for each. Humans don't eat foods in a vacuum, which is why picking on ANY individual food item as arbitrarily good or bad is silly.
I was speaking from a calorie perspective, not from a nutrient perspective. A food being high calorie doesn't automatically make it bad, hence using an example of a high calorie fruit.
If I'm going to compare foods based on micronutrients and fiber, I would be comparing fruits and vegetables with other fruits and vegetables, or grains with other grains. Comparing a fat with a fruit and asking about fiber is silly. Olive oil has much less sugar in it than an apple, so which is healthier? It's an irrelevant comparison.
You simply made the comparison and nutrients are an integral part of food choices. Look, you made a bad comparison in an attempt to sound dismissive and glib, we all do it, best just to own up to it.
I asked you for a more complete comparison and you lost it with a rant about meat and eggs etc.
Its why the whole 'calorie deficit trumps all' argument is a bad one, is shamefully incomplete.
Yes, you can go into a calorie deficit parsing in any foods that you want, a pop-tart here some french fries there, but you will likely sacrifice nutrition.
Hence why mayo shouldn't be arbitrarily compared with avocado.0 -
If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.
Oh GOD, he's back! This troll made a very interesting statement about how you could hypothetically eat 10,000 calories of fat a day and not gain an ounce.0 -
Nutrition is a completely separate concept. No food exists in a vacuum. Overall nutritional goals are important. Reaching those goals matter. Just comparing nutrition in mayo vs nutrition in an avocado is meaningless because it ignores the entire rest of the day's nutrition and food choices. If someone has already consumed enough micro nutrients, including fiber, and is looking to fill out discretionary calories, is an avocado automatically a better choice than mayo? Not, it isn't. It won't have a health effect either way, provided you use the same amount of calories for each. Humans don't eat foods in a vacuum, which is why picking on ANY individual food item as arbitrarily good or bad is silly.
I was speaking from a calorie perspective, not from a nutrient perspective. A food being high calorie doesn't automatically make it bad, hence using an example of a high calorie fruit.
If I'm going to compare foods based on micronutrients and fiber, I would be comparing fruits and vegetables with other fruits and vegetables, or grains with other grains. Comparing a fat with a fruit and asking about fiber is silly. Olive oil has much less sugar in it than an apple, so which is healthier? It's an irrelevant comparison.
You simply made the comparison and nutrients are an integral part of food choices. Look, you made a bad comparison in an attempt to sound dismissive and glib, we all do it, best just to own up to it.
I asked you for a more complete comparison and you lost it with a rant about meat and eggs etc.
Its why the whole 'calorie deficit trumps all' argument is a bad one, is shamefully incomplete.
Yes, you can go into a calorie deficit parsing in any foods that you want, a pop-tart here some french fries there, but you will likely sacrifice nutrition.
Hence why mayo shouldn't be arbitrarily compared with avocado.
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there are certain things that surprise me and the assumption about mayo and cheese on fast food hamburgers is one of them. my husband does not like cheese on hamburgers or mayo and it's amazing to me how many times they don't get his order right. the default you would think would be plain unless you specify you want stuff on your burger. same thing with chipotle. they always want to put sour cream and cheese on everything. no, i don't want either. don't look at me like i am the weird one! 0
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If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.
Too much of any calorically dense food will make you gain weight. A calorie is a calorie is a calorie.
To the OP - I agree!0 -
I don't really see the problem with mayo. I get light mayo, 35 calories per tablespoon. An extra 35 calories is not that big of a deal. I can't do JUST mustard.... it soaks into the bread and then my sandwich is dry and not very good.0
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Nutrition is a completely separate concept. No food exists in a vacuum. Overall nutritional goals are important. Reaching those goals matter. Just comparing nutrition in mayo vs nutrition in an avocado is meaningless because it ignores the entire rest of the day's nutrition and food choices. If someone has already consumed enough micro nutrients, including fiber, and is looking to fill out discretionary calories, is an avocado automatically a better choice than mayo? Not, it isn't. It won't have a health effect either way, provided you use the same amount of calories for each. Humans don't eat foods in a vacuum, which is why picking on ANY individual food item as arbitrarily good or bad is silly.
No food doesn't exist in a vacuum, hence why you look at the nutrition of the foods that you eat.
What you eat contains calories and going over those calories cause weight gain. I think that we can agree there so pause.
Now, you have a certain budget of calories that you can eat in order to maintain a deficit. Pause again.
In order to be healthy, you have to have a variety of nutrients (and fiber LOL).
Eating empty or non-productive calories to the detriment of nutrients is not good.
Therefore, you need to consider BOTH the calories AND the nutrients.
Oddly enough, if you simply try to reach your nutritional requirements, the calories often take care of themselves. But its not easy to do that the other way around.
So again, why did you make the initial comparison?0 -
Hellman's Mayo made with olive oil is only 40 cals per tbsp with 6 g of fat and has a really nice creamy olive oil taste. I like it better than the light.0
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Hmm, I've never seen a difference between the calories in whole wheat bread and white bread. A quick comparasion on here of the same brand shows no difference.
^^ This. There may be advantages to whole wheat bread, but calories and fat are not one of them. Often whole wheat breads will have more fat and calories--both from the wheat itself (which is a small amount), and from the fat and sugar that are often added to whole wheat breads to make them more palatable to many people (e.g. honey wheat bread).0 -
Wheat bread actually has some nutritional value where white bread has none.Hmm, I've never seen a difference between the calories in whole wheat bread and white bread. A quick comparasion on here of the same brand shows no difference.
For me, a good mayo adds flavor. I love mayo. i would rather forego cheese over mayo. I guess it boils down to your taste.
I dont really do soda.
PS - not American.0 -
\What is it about the American lifestyle and way of eating that make it No. 1 in obesity stats?
two words for ya: industrial revolution.
Uhh... Yeah, because the U.S. is the only country to have gone through an industrial revolution, huh? Besides, the obesity problem really came after the U.S. de-industrialized, not during its industrialization. I have no idea where you were going with that point.
pretty clear, isn't it? as the country became more industrialized -- meaning less physical labor required to complete jobs -- it also became more sedentary. and, obviously, the U.S. isn't the only industrialized nation. look at the most obese countries. they are those that are most reliant on technology. that's why there is an increase in obesity in the developing countries. they are now seeing the effects of an inactive lifestyle combined with calorie-dense diets.
the U.S. used to be something like 90 percent farmers. it's down to, what, 2 percent now? where did those 88 percent go? desk jobs. how do they get to those desk jobs? cars. what do they do when they get home from those desk jobs? watch TV.
(and those farmers and ranchers -- the group that used to be the majority -- they have to eat way more than any of us do in order to simply maintain weight. 3,000 calories plus a day. because they are actively burning that off. so the problem comes in when we all eat like we're still farmers or ranchers instead of sedentary office workers.)
the biggest reason for obesity isn't what people are eating. it is how little they are moving. we used to have to move in order to survive. that isn't the case now.
:huh: are you kidding? Where is the smiley banging its head into the wall when you need it? ... I actually stopped following the thread after that
......... Somebody missed a couple of history classes. People did not take on desk jobs during the IR in mass numbers. They went into factories (hard, dangerous, manual labor). Most of the population would have been small and malnourished because they didn't earn enough money to eat properly and worked long hours. Desk jobs did not start showing up in mass effect until way AFTER the IR. And that would also imply that the farmers did the labor themselves before the IR …. They didn’t because, you know, a little thing called slavery and indentured servants (who were not considered citizens and would not be called “Americans”). There were always fat people who had sedentary lifestyles because they could afford to have others do their work
I see where you are going with this but really just not quite right. Even IF this was right and desk jobs made Americans fat, what about all the other industrialized nations who progressed into the tertiary form of employment (desk jobs)? America is not the only country who has an office based style of work force.
Just soooooo much in this thread is just .... SMH
Well, I have a minor in history, actually. How bout you?
I didn't say it was an instant change. Boom. Industrial revolution, fat society. That is where it started. And as society got more modernized, more modernized, with more and more urbanization, people steadily got taller and fatter.
And if you read the entire post, you would see that I pointed out that other nations on the same track have the same weight issues.
There have been numerous academic papers written on this topic. Look up a few.0 -
A tablespoon of Mayo on your sammich will not make you fat .. and to many it taste's great and helps flavor up a meal/item. As with everything else it's when you overdo it that it gets you. Drinking too much wine and eating too much pasta will also make you fat.
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Mayo is very popular in Europe and Japan.
Europeans don't eat their fries with ketchup, it is with mayo.
The Japanese slather it on pancakes (okonomiaki) and dough balls (tako yaki).
In moderation. Mayo is no big deal.0 -
Except the phytonutrients in the wheat bread prevent the body from absorbing nutrients in the wheat bread, compared to white bread. Same story with brown vs white rice. It's not just a matter of raw nutritional content. If one food has 100mg of Vitamin B, but your body can only absorb 40mg of it, and another food has 60mg of Vitamin B, but your body can absorb 50mg from it, guess which one is actually better for you?
Wheat bread actually has some nutritional value where white bread has none.Hmm, I've never seen a difference between the calories in whole wheat bread and white bread. A quick comparasion on here of the same brand shows no difference.
For me, a good mayo adds flavor. I love mayo. i would rather forego cheese over mayo. I guess it boils down to your taste.
I dont really do soda.
PS - not American.0 -
One small correction. We really haven't grown much taller over the last 100 years. Americans have fallen from 1st in height in the late 1700's, to I believe 9th in the world in height now. :drinker:
\What is it about the American lifestyle and way of eating that make it No. 1 in obesity stats?
two words for ya: industrial revolution.
Uhh... Yeah, because the U.S. is the only country to have gone through an industrial revolution, huh? Besides, the obesity problem really came after the U.S. de-industrialized, not during its industrialization. I have no idea where you were going with that point.
pretty clear, isn't it? as the country became more industrialized -- meaning less physical labor required to complete jobs -- it also became more sedentary. and, obviously, the U.S. isn't the only industrialized nation. look at the most obese countries. they are those that are most reliant on technology. that's why there is an increase in obesity in the developing countries. they are now seeing the effects of an inactive lifestyle combined with calorie-dense diets.
the U.S. used to be something like 90 percent farmers. it's down to, what, 2 percent now? where did those 88 percent go? desk jobs. how do they get to those desk jobs? cars. what do they do when they get home from those desk jobs? watch TV.
(and those farmers and ranchers -- the group that used to be the majority -- they have to eat way more than any of us do in order to simply maintain weight. 3,000 calories plus a day. because they are actively burning that off. so the problem comes in when we all eat like we're still farmers or ranchers instead of sedentary office workers.)
the biggest reason for obesity isn't what people are eating. it is how little they are moving. we used to have to move in order to survive. that isn't the case now.
:huh: are you kidding? Where is the smiley banging its head into the wall when you need it? ... I actually stopped following the thread after that
......... Somebody missed a couple of history classes. People did not take on desk jobs during the IR in mass numbers. They went into factories (hard, dangerous, manual labor). Most of the population would have been small and malnourished because they didn't earn enough money to eat properly and worked long hours. Desk jobs did not start showing up in mass effect until way AFTER the IR. And that would also imply that the farmers did the labor themselves before the IR …. They didn’t because, you know, a little thing called slavery and indentured servants (who were not considered citizens and would not be called “Americans”). There were always fat people who had sedentary lifestyles because they could afford to have others do their work
I see where you are going with this but really just not quite right. Even IF this was right and desk jobs made Americans fat, what about all the other industrialized nations who progressed into the tertiary form of employment (desk jobs)? America is not the only country who has an office based style of work force.
Just soooooo much in this thread is just .... SMH
Well, I have a minor in history, actually. How bout you?
I didn't say it was an instant change. Boom. Industrial revolution, fat society. That is where it started. And as society got more modernized, more modernized, with more and more urbanization, people steadily got taller and fatter.
And if you read the entire post, you would see that I pointed out that other nations on the same track have the same weight issues.
There have been numerous academic papers written on this topic. Look up a few.0 -
It blows my mind how many people focused on the mayo anecdote. It was a real life example to show the choices that we make on a daily basis and how they affect our health. And I say "we" even though I am Canadian because the OP can't really talk about countries he hasn't seen. This happens in Canada too. Whether it's a dietary restriction (no wheaty croutons on Caesar Salad is blasphemous) or health-related (such as the OP's mayo example), people look confused at health-conscious choices.
It is our predisposition to fattening choices that the OP seems to be commenting on. Maybe simplifying it will help people stop attacking each other over technicalities.
Oh, and thanks to everyone speaking logically with scientific fact to back them up. :flowerforyou:0 -
Some of you are taking what im saying too literally. Im just trying to say, since we are all trying to loose weight, i thought it would be wise to say... if you make a 200 calorie sandwich and you put 50 calories of mayo on it, mayo isnt really a food that fills you up. You could have some kind of fruit or veggie that is 50 calories instead of the mayo and it will fill you up because it is food.
Mayonnaise is eggs and a healthy oil. It is food. And it would fill me up better than a piece of fruit because fat is more satiating than a piece of fruit, in general.0 -
There is nothing you just said i dont agree with. Fat is not bad. Calories are not bad. Nothing is really bad, its the proportion size im talking about!!! Why is that not being understood. Pizza isnt bad, if you have one slice...Burgers arent bad, if you have one. THATS ALL IM SAYING!! Just like mayo, you could have a turkey burger instead of a regular burger, it makes a slight difference. Mayo, proportion it and its fine, just like every food. Proportion, proportion, proportion.0
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The counterpoint is that it has nothing to do with an individual food, just the portion size. No food, on it's own, is inherently "fattening." Eating a cheeseburger once a week and fitting it into your macros and calorie goals isn't "fattening," or unhealthy. Eating nothing but cheeseburgers all day, everyday, well over your calorie goal and disregarding macros, is fattening and unhealthy. The problem in that case isn't the cheeseburger, it's the overall diet and portion size.It blows my mind how many people focused on the mayo anecdote. It was a real life example to show the choices that we make on a daily basis and how they affect our health. And I say "we" even though I am Canadian because the OP can't really talk about countries he hasn't seen. This happens in Canada too. Whether it's a dietary restriction (no wheaty croutons on Caesar Salad is blasphemous) or health-related (such as the OP's mayo example), people look confused at health-conscious choices.
It is our predisposition to fattening choices that the OP seems to be commenting on. Maybe simplifying it will help people stop attacking each other over technicalities.
Oh, and thanks to everyone speaking logically with scientific fact to back them up. :flowerforyou:
Basically, stop blaming food. People aren't overweight because of a food making them fat, people are overweight from eating altogether too much food, and not being active enough to burn it off.0 -
If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.
Wow, the most insightful post Ive ever read! :huh: :laugh:
I do tend to agree with you though OP, I don't think too many would disagree. Sometimes we over complicate things, when just eating 'better' foods a little more often would make such a difference to most people.
Go read the post about how if you eat all your calories at one time you won't gain weight vs. getting fat if you spread them out during the day.0 -
There is nothing you just said i dont agree with. Fat is not bad. Calories are not bad. Nothing is really bad, its the proportion size im talking about!!! Why is that not being understood.
Because you have yet to actually SAY that until this post. You keep saying we should cut things out, not that we should consider portion size.
Go back and read what you actually wrote.0 -
If you were to hypothetically consume only mayonnaise and consumed over 6000 calories you wouldn't gain any fat at all. Mayo by itself doesnt make you fat carbohydrates do. Why? because of insulin. Mayo is pure fat and does not spike insulin at all. you are blaming something that does not make you fat carbs do. The problem with carbohydrates though is that they taste amazing.
AAAAAA-hahahahahaha!!!!!! That's some funny flocking snit right there.0 -
There is nothing you just said i dont agree with. Fat is not bad. Calories are not bad. Nothing is really bad, its the proportion size im talking about!!! Why is that not being understood.
Because you have yet to actually SAY that until this post. You keep saying we should cut things out, not that we should consider portion size.
Go back and read what you actually wrote.
PARTS OF MY PREVIOUS POSTS
" If mayonnaise is not something you want to get rid of, look for healthy alternatives, such as mayonnaise made with olive oil or LIGHTER VARIATIONS of the condiment."
"Yes, it is high in calories. And people can over eat while using mayo because its not portioned."
"Mayo is fine for some people when proportioned. That is all."
"In one tablespoon of mayonnaise there can be as much as 75 calories. Most people DO NOT USE only one tablespoon of mayonnaise on their sandwich, but rather use two or three tablespoons."
"Mayonnaise is considered to be one of the highest calorie condiments because of its oil and fat ingredients. Mustard is a much better choice when it comes to REDUCING calories in sandwich spreads. "
Not sure when i wasnt talking about proportions. I did say if you cut it, it makes a difference. But i wouldnt really know that since i dont like or eat mayo so i am a little biased about it because i dont know first hand. The info i got from this was from websites and magazines from health experts saying its better to cut mayo. If you have a problem with it, talk to the experts, not me. i was just relaying info i saw. If thats not true, then its not true...leave it alone. i was just saying, this is what i saw, this is what i read.0 -
I've hated mayo my entire life. I still ended up chubby - so I don't think it's the mayo.
But I can completely sympathize with the deli counter people looking at you like you have 5 heads.
No mayo? Nope.
No mustard? No thank you.
No nothing? That's good.
You like your sandwich dry? Well, I don't want it wet.
I tend to end up with double lettuce, somehow they think this makes up for it I guess.
There are a lot of additives that are common in America (as well as many other countries) that tend to make the diets higher in calories. Portion size is probably the biggest issue IMO. We have a lot of food available (healthy and not), and we expect a bang for our buck. The bigger the portions, the bigger the calorie intake no matter what you consume.0 -
I totally agree mayo is super fatty. My questions is why do Europeans load their french fries with it and are still skinnier and healthier than Americans. I spent some time in Europe and all my friends their literally bought french fries on the street with mayo everyday for a snack. How is this fair.0
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I totally agree mayo is super fatty. My questions is why do Europeans load their french fries with it and are still skinnier and healthier than Americans. I spent some time in Europe and all my friends their literally bought french fries on the street with mayo everyday for a snack. How is this fair.
Europeans are usually more active and they pay more attention to what they are eating, when they are eating it. Overall portion sizes are lower, too.0 -
I totally agree mayo is super fatty. My questions is why do Europeans load their french fries with it and are still skinnier and healthier than Americans. I spent some time in Europe and all my friends their literally bought french fries on the street with mayo everyday for a snack. How is this fair.
I, too, would love the answer to this ha.0
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