SUGAR IS EVERY DAMN WHERE!!!

JustinM86

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

wewon

i don't eat any sugar except for natural ones in veggies.

Ditto.

Unless I'm giving myself a treat (I love the cookies at Barns & Noble) I get all of my sugar from fruits and veggies and the only time I go over 40 grams is when I deviate from that and have that treat.

What is everyone eating that causes them to go over 100 grams of sugar.

On a lark I went into my diary and plugged in some fruit combinations just to see how much before I went over and I can get 3 apples, or a few cups of berries, or various other fruits before I get near my 40 grams.

Its when I start adding manufactured stuff that I start to go over.

sbedwards1077

I added you. I struggle with sugar intake also.

wewon

So, aside from HFCS being metabolized the same as natural sugars, there's no true drawback to consuming it? I can not think of many foods of any true nutritonal value that have HFCS contained within them. Sugar is sugar, yes. I don't see any benefit from The consumption of HFCS aside from the fact that it's usually cheaper. A few pieces of fruit may contain the same sugar content as a cup of soda, but the nutrient profile is completely different. Quality over quantity.

100% agree.

This ladies and gentlemen is where the rubber meets the road.

If all you are concerned with is "disproving Lusting" then fine, here's your cookie (made with HFC of course).

Now, I'll give you $5 for each nutritionally balanced item that you can find in your cupboard/refrigerator that is made with HFC and you can give me $5 for each item made with HFC that is basically garbage or nutritionally out of whack.

Let's see who walks away with the net gain.

coliema

I was going over on sugar everyday and then I realized 90% of it was from fruits, so I stopped tracking it.

carinnaj

I finally took the sugar and carbs line off of my diary so I don't see it. it was stressing me out too much seeing it and going way over every day. I'm trying to focus on upping my intake of protein and fiber right now.. maybe later I'll get to adding the carbs and sugar line back on and work on lowering that...

wewon

Also, Snickers bars contain HFCS. They also contain peanuts, which are a good protein and fat source. If I've hit my fruit limit for the day, but need some sugar, protein, and fat, then a Snickers bar is relatively healthy choice, compared to an apple. Food doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's all a matter of context and overall diet.

I think that this is the first time that I've someone say that a snickers bar is relatively more healthy choice than an apple.

You get all the sugar you need in fruit. Your stomach couldn't accommodate enough apples before they become toxic. However, the transfat and 250 cals of a snickers bar has a lot lower dosage before you see negative side effects. but the peanuts are good for you.

wewon

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

Brilliant!!

Melissa82434

Try REAL sugar sub. I believe the best ones are Truvia or Stivia (spelling??) Stay away from yellow, blue & pink packets....... very artificial & can actually cause weight gain. This is according to Dr. Oz BUT I totally trust what he says

misskatibear

According to MFP i'm only allowed 24g of sugar a day, it is hard and sometimes I do go over it but I am definitely learning to get better at keeping it down. Feel free to add me to watch what I eat

lacewitch

yes sugar is sugar and eating fruit ( as long as it is not in excess) is a good thing
but hidden sugar and processed sugar are bad because (if we don't log) we may not realize it's in food and i think that's the problem (the problem of low fat food and high fat people)
I hope everyone realizes fruit has sugar in it but did you know there is ( lots of added) sugar in pasta sauce, fat free salad dressing, reduced fat yoghurt and Multi-Grain Cereals and Crackers. and thats wrong becuase we may consider these foods healty and eat more than we thiink

scientific studies show that we eat more of foods that are labled ''light, low fat and healthy'' and we underestimate the calories we percieve in 'hjealthy foods'

this is the problem
i try to avoid anything that has added sugar - because it is replacing taste!

Acg67

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVarZ2Mx0I

wewon

yes sugar is sugar and eating fruit ( as long as it is not in excess) is a good thing
but hidden sugar and processed sugar are bad because (if we don't log) we may not realize it's in food and i think that's the problem (the problem of low fat food and high fat people)
I hope everyone realizes fruit has sugar in it but did you know there is ( lots of added) sugar in pasta sauce, fat free salad dressing, reduced fat yoghurt and Multi-Grain Cereals and Crackers. and thats wrong becuase we may consider these foods healty and eat more than we thiink

scientific studies show that we eat more of foods that are labled ''light, low fat and healthy'' and we underestimate the calories we percieve in 'hjealthy foods'

this is the problem
i try to avoid anything that has added sugar - because it is replacing taste!

Good post.

Another downside to process foods, as everything in bold was fiddled with in some way and had their nutritional value made loopy. When eating whole foods those kinds of issues are eliminated.

_Mimi_

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Hendrix7

33 grams of sugar is supposed to be my limit according to MFP, I take in over 100 grams of sugar and I feel like I'm eating pretty well! What are you guys getting in one day for sugar intake!!! I feel like that's what I need to eliminate to shrink my belly, but SUGAR'S EVERY DAMN WHERE!!!!

This thread has gone a little of topic but if you are getting over 100 grams of sugar per day I would seriously look at what you are actually eating.

Looking back at my dairy, even when my calorie intake was 3000 per day, (which I assume is much higher than yours) I was rarely getting over 60 grams of sugar per day.

If you are going to eat ready meals or pre-packed proceeded foods, these are going to come with a lot of sugar added.

yes sugar is sugar and eating fruit ( as long as it is not in excess) is a good thing
but hidden sugar and processed sugar are bad because (if we don't log) we may not realize it's in food and i think that's the problem (the problem of low fat food and high fat people)
I hope everyone realizes fruit has sugar in it but did you know there is ( lots of added) sugar in pasta sauce, fat free salad dressing, reduced fat yoghurt and Multi-Grain Cereals and Crackers. and thats wrong becuase we may consider these foods healty and eat more than we thiink

scientific studies show that we eat more of foods that are labled ''light, low fat and healthy'' and we underestimate the calories we percieve in 'hjealthy foods'

this is the problem
i try to avoid anything that has added sugar - because it is replacing taste

Said it better than I did.

PrincessNikkiBoo

bump

JustinM86

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVarZ2Mx0I

You honestly think that's a viable resource for proving your point? Do we know if that guy is taking steroids, what his exercise routine was like? You can eat just about anything if you're on steroids, and your body will soak it up like a sponge. Would you say that regular beef is the same as grass fed organic free range beef. There are differences. If you continued to eat McDonalds for more than a month I doubt you would be healthier for it. Anyone thinking this is a viable option for their nutrient sources has a pathetic standard for themselves and their health.

Athijade

33 grams of sugar is supposed to be my limit according to MFP, I take in over 100 grams of sugar and I feel like I'm eating pretty well! What are you guys getting in one day for sugar intake!!! I feel like that's what I need to eliminate to shrink my belly, but SUGAR'S EVERY DAMN WHERE!!!!

This thread has gone a little of topic but if you are getting over 100 grams of sugar per day I would seriously look at what you are actually eating.

Looking back at my dairy, even when my calorie intake was 3000 per day, (which I assume is much higher than yours) I was rarely getting over 60 grams of sugar per day.

If you are going to eat ready meals or pre-packed proceeded foods, these are going to come with a lot of sugar added.

I have to agree, and I am not the cleanest eater by any stretch of the imagination. I went back over my diary to check sugars out as I don't usually track them and the only day I hit 100 grams of sugar was on a splurge day where I ate some cake. Otherwise, even with stuff like ice cream, lots of fruit, and some processed foods I usually fall within the 60 grams range. That includes a banana and chocolate almond milk in the morning and an apple with peanut butter at night... plus whatever else I get during lunch, afternoon snack, and dinner.

Acg67

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVarZ2Mx0I

You honestly think that's a viable resource for proving your point? Do we know if that guy is taking steroids, what his exercise routine was like? You can eat just about anything if you're on steroids, and your body will soak it up like a sponge. Would you say that regular beef is the same as grass fed organic free range beef. There are differences. If you continued to eat McDonalds for more than a month I doubt you would be healthier for it. Anyone thinking this is a viable option for their nutrient sources has a pathetic standard for themselves and their health.

Did you think posting a crappy study on HFCS and rats was a viable resource for proving your point?

wewon

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVarZ2Mx0I

You honestly think that's a viable resource for proving your point? Do we know if that guy is taking steroids, what his exercise routine was like? You can eat just about anything if you're on steroids, and your body will soak it up like a sponge. Would you say that regular beef is the same as grass fed organic free range beef. There are differences. If you continued to eat McDonalds for more than a month I doubt you would be healthier for it. Anyone thinking this is a viable option for their nutrient sources has a pathetic standard for themselves and their health.

Did you think posting a crappy study on HFCS and rats was a viable resource for proving your point?

So you're saying that the link was or wasn't viable proof of your point?

luvmyleo

You're right- lots of processed foods have added sugar- especially "low fat" diet foods.

The way my doctor explained it is if it ends in ose (fructose, sucrose, lactose) it is metabolized in your body as a carbohydrate. Excess carbohydrates (those not used in glycogen reserves) are converted to fat tissue. The more sugar you eat, the more insulin you produce to try to decrease the amount of sugar in your blood stream. Besides a whole slew of other cardiovascular issues, having/producing all the excess insulin promotes fat storage as well.

The difference between eating a milky way and a banana is the fiber and nutrients. He put it like this,

"How often do you eat a banana and immediately want to eat a second one? You don't because of the fiber. Now how often do you eat a candy bar and immediately want another one?"

agentscully514

Its fructose that's in fruit not sucrose. That's the difference between sugar from fruit and refined sugars! They are metabolised differently and surplus of each is stored and utilized differently. Sucrose (which breaks down to glucose) is stored as fat!! Fructose remains in the blood stream and is used by mitochondria to form energy!!

That is not really true. Fruit contains MANY kinds of sugars, not just fructose. Some fruits are actually high in sucrose, which *will* cause insulin spikes if you are sensitive to it. For this reason, I limit my fruit.

JustJennie1

I just keep out for the added sugar in the ingredients of the items that I buy. I realize that things like fruit, yogurt and milk are going to have natural sugars in them. IMO it's the added crap that you need to look out for. If sugar is close to the first ingredient on the label I don't buy it and if it has HFCS in it I avoid it like the plague.

I'm not too concerned about the increase due to my fruits and dairy.

JustinM86

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVarZ2Mx0I

You honestly think that's a viable resource for proving your point? Do we know if that guy is taking steroids, what his exercise routine was like? You can eat just about anything if you're on steroids, and your body will soak it up like a sponge. Would you say that regular beef is the same as grass fed organic free range beef. There are differences. If you continued to eat McDonalds for more than a month I doubt you would be healthier for it. Anyone thinking this is a viable option for their nutrient sources has a pathetic standard for themselves and their health.

Did you think posting a crappy study on HFCS and rats was a viable resource for proving your point?

The difference between the information you're providing vs the information I'm providing comes down to responsibility. It's down right irresponsible to try and say the average person can consume McDonalds with little or no consequence. That's absurd. The same goes for the consumption of HFCS. Give me a bunch of foods that contain that sweetner that are good quality food sources. You can't, because the use of HFCS lends itself to processed and refined/crappy foods. Those aren't good for you... The fact that you'd debate the quality of whole foods vs processed garbage like McDonalds or anything sweetened with HFCS is pathetic, and irresponsible. When people are looking at this as information attributing to a sound and complete diet, the last thing they need is someone advocating fast food as being ok to consume on a regular basis.

akaOtherWise

I blame Robert Lustig for a lot of this and the hate towards sugar all together. If I remember correctly, Alan Aragon shut down every claim Lustig made bashing both of them to which Lustig had nothing to even come back with lol

LOL @ Aragon with his "science" and "logic". All you need to do is look at the number of YouTube hits to see who is right.

If you really think that YouTube hits determines someones knowledge, your input is unneeded. As far as your statement on Alan's "science and logic", he has a masters in nutrition along with a TON of other credentials...he has to know a little something..

wewon

I blame Robert Lustig for a lot of this and the hate towards sugar all together. If I remember correctly, Alan Aragon shut down every claim Lustig made bashing both of them to which Lustig had nothing to even come back with lol

LOL @ Aragon with his "science" and "logic". All you need to do is look at the number of YouTube hits to see who is right.

If you really think that YouTube hits determines someones knowledge, your input is unneeded. As far as your statement on Alan's "science and logic", he has a masters in nutrition along with a TON of other credentials...he has to know a little something..

And Lustig is a medical doctor and lecturer, educated and intelligent people disagree all of the time so being impressed by credentials is a fools errand.

Acg67

So it's just calories in calories out? It has NOTHING to do with the quality or source of the food you put into your body? By that definition I could be getting all of my calories from McDonalds instead of varied natural sources for my macros... Also, you have a "fruit limit" for the day, and you would reach for a Snickers bar for protein, sugar and fat? Why not just have some whole milk? Might be a bit better choice. I'm most likely just arguing apples and oranges with this though. Just eat McDonalds and take a multi vitamin for all of your macros and your vitamin and mineral requirements. I had no idea caring where my food came from and how it was prepared was a logical fallacy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVarZ2Mx0I

You honestly think that's a viable resource for proving your point? Do we know if that guy is taking steroids, what his exercise routine was like? You can eat just about anything if you're on steroids, and your body will soak it up like a sponge. Would you say that regular beef is the same as grass fed organic free range beef. There are differences. If you continued to eat McDonalds for more than a month I doubt you would be healthier for it. Anyone thinking this is a viable option for their nutrient sources has a pathetic standard for themselves and their health.

Did you think posting a crappy study on HFCS and rats was a viable resource for proving your point?

The difference between the information you're providing vs the information I'm providing comes down to responsibility. It's down right irresponsible to try and say the average person can consume McDonalds with little or no consequence. That's absurd. The same goes for the consumption of HFCS. Give me a bunch of foods that contain that sweetner that are good quality food sources. You can't, because the use of HFCS lends itself to processed and refined/crappy foods. Those aren't good for you... The fact that you'd debate the quality of whole foods vs processed garbage like McDonalds or anything sweetened with HFCS is pathetic, and irresponsible. When people are looking at this as information attributing to a sound and complete diet, the last thing they need is someone advocating fast food as being ok to consume on a regular basis.

Can you point me to where I said fast food was alright to consumer on a regular basis?

And the fact that you would fear monger is quite pathetic and shows a lack of intelligence. Way to include any dosage or context to consumption of fast food or HFCS that makes it "bad"

LesterBlackstone

I blame Robert Lustig for a lot of this and the hate towards sugar all together. If I remember correctly, Alan Aragon shut down every claim Lustig made bashing both of them to which Lustig had nothing to even come back with lol

LOL @ Aragon with his "science" and "logic". All you need to do is look at the number of YouTube hits to see who is right.

If you really think that YouTube hits determines someones knowledge, your input is unneeded. As far as your statement on Alan's "science and logic", he has a masters in nutrition along with a TON of other credentials...he has to know a little something..

If you really think that was a serious comment, you need to have your sarcasm meter checked.

LesterBlackstone

Would you say that regular beef is the same as grass fed organic free range beef. There are differences.

This study basically backs up what I’ve been saying for years: a single fast food meal, within the context of a calorie controlled diet, is not death on a plate. It won’t destroy your diet and it won’t make you immediately turn into a big fat pile of blubber. And, frankly, this can be predicted on basic physiology (in terms of nutrient digestion) alone. It’s just nice to see it verified in a controlled setting.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/hormonal-responses-to-a-fast-food-meal-compared-with-nutritionally-comparable-meals-of-different-composition-research-review.html

ronaldmcyd

I pay close attention to sugar, but it is naturally in fruits, vegetables, and milk. So I just ignore any sugar from anything in those categories, and try to keep it low everywhere else.