SUGAR IS EVERY DAMN WHERE!!!

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  • lulu386
    lulu386 Posts: 20
    Now that I'm trying to "watch" my sugars, I average about 80 - 100 grams a day. It's ridiculous. I blow my MFP limit by the time I finish breakfast. I drink kefir, I eat yogurt, I eat fruit and I indulge in sweets sometimes. I know that people say that sugar is sugar and it doesn't matter what the source is, but I try to subtract out the fruit and dairy sugars and only count the refined sugar from sweets to figure out if I'm truly "over the limit".

    Ditto.
  • PANZERIA
    PANZERIA Posts: 471 Member
    I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

    They should really separate processed sugars from natural sugars. There's a massive difference. =(
  • kayemme
    kayemme Posts: 1,782 Member
    You realize that organic farming uses insecticides and pesticides too, right? From the article that you didn't bother to read:

    it does, yes, but often on small-scale organic farming practices, pesticides are used as a last effort, not as part of the practice.

    edit; i grow a good portion of my own food organically. the only pesticide i have ever used was one i made myself consisting of garlic & peppers boiled in some water. mostly i let the bugs feast unless they're damaging the plants. they provide nutrients for other bugs that benefit the garden in general.

    the other pesticide i use is my own hands. i squish bugs that kill plants with my fingers.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

    They should really separate processed sugars from natural sugars. There's a massive difference. =(
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  • JustinM86
    JustinM86 Posts: 37
    Call it whatever you want, at the root all the information being given out here, lies reality.

    And the reality is that HCFS is no different than regular sugar, and that organic foods are no more nutritious than non-organic.

    On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/

    But that doesn't "feel" right to you so you continue to stick your head in the sand and shift your argument when shown otherwise.

    So you're ok with your produce being doused with insecticides and pesticides? Good for you. The abundant use of antibiotics does pose a real potential issue, but whatever, we'll cross that bridge when we get there, right? My point is not solely rooted in Organic VS. Conventional. Natural VS Processed...There is no contest. Have yourself an Oreo, you should be proud of yourself.

    You realize that organic farming uses insecticides and pesticides too, right? From the article that you didn't bother to read:
    The third issue with organic food is what is not in, or on them – pesticides, hormones and antibiotics. Here, again, we can take the same two approaches as with nutrition: Is there any evidence of a difference between organic and conventional produce, and is there evidence for a health benefit? There seems to be a consensus on the first question. There are lower levels of synthetic pesticides in organic produce and lower levels of hormones and antibiotics in organic meat than in conventionally grown equivalents. But is this safer for health? The review cited above is also relevant to this question, and essentially there is no evidence for greater safety of organic food over conventional food.

    With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.

    Also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxE9sYatPAs

    Now who's "Shifting the goalposts"? Good job, I like what you did there.

    Do you even grasp what "shifting the goalposts" means? I doubt it.

    I was directly refuting YOUR claim that organic food is inherently healthier. How, pray tell, does this equate to shifting the goalposts?

    The origin of the post deals with sugar. Then HFCS vs Sugars, then Natural VS Processed. Now you're getting into the details of organic vs conventional... As I said before, Organic VS conventional doesn't bother me. Natural VS Processed is what bothers me.

    There are things that are good for you, and things that aren't. Can you honestly tell me you'd rather eat a Snickers Bar instead of some Walnuts, or Whole milk? Does the essay-length list of ingredients in a Snickers Bar not deter you? There's a reason why I'm capable of doing what I do physically. I eat well. You think the US Olympic team is being fed McDonalds, or is drinking soda because it falls within their Macro-nutrient range? Doubtful...
  • kmm7309
    kmm7309 Posts: 802 Member
    Mine averages at 45 grams a day, not bad. If you are worried about all of your sugar, replace your fruits with vegetables. Add me if you want to see my food diary.
  • LesterBlackstone
    LesterBlackstone Posts: 291 Member
    Call it whatever you want, at the root all the information being given out here, lies reality.

    And the reality is that HCFS is no different than regular sugar, and that organic foods are no more nutritious than non-organic.

    On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/

    But that doesn't "feel" right to you so you continue to stick your head in the sand and shift your argument when shown otherwise.

    So you're ok with your produce being doused with insecticides and pesticides? Good for you. The abundant use of antibiotics does pose a real potential issue, but whatever, we'll cross that bridge when we get there, right? My point is not solely rooted in Organic VS. Conventional. Natural VS Processed...There is no contest. Have yourself an Oreo, you should be proud of yourself.

    You realize that organic farming uses insecticides and pesticides too, right? From the article that you didn't bother to read:
    The third issue with organic food is what is not in, or on them – pesticides, hormones and antibiotics. Here, again, we can take the same two approaches as with nutrition: Is there any evidence of a difference between organic and conventional produce, and is there evidence for a health benefit? There seems to be a consensus on the first question. There are lower levels of synthetic pesticides in organic produce and lower levels of hormones and antibiotics in organic meat than in conventionally grown equivalents. But is this safer for health? The review cited above is also relevant to this question, and essentially there is no evidence for greater safety of organic food over conventional food.

    With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.

    Also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxE9sYatPAs

    Now who's "Shifting the goalposts"? Good job, I like what you did there.

    Do you even grasp what "shifting the goalposts" means? I doubt it.

    I was directly refuting YOUR claim that organic food is inherently healthier. How, pray tell, does this equate to shifting the goalposts?

    The origin of the post deals with sugar. Then HFCS vs Sugars, then Natural VS Processed. Now you're getting into the details of organic vs conventional... As I said before, Organic VS conventional doesn't bother me. Natural VS Processed is what bothers me.

    There are things that are good for you, and things that aren't. Can you honestly tell me you'd rather eat a Snickers Bar instead of some Walnuts, or Whole milk? Does the essay-length list of ingredients in a Snickers Bar not deter you? There's a reason why I'm capable of doing what I do physically. I eat well. You think the US Olympic team is being fed McDonalds, or is drinking soda because it falls within their Macro-nutrient range? Doubtful...

    Two words: Michael Phelps.
  • JustinM86
    JustinM86 Posts: 37
    Two words: Michael Phelps.

    Were you referencing this? http://www.michaelphelps.net/michael-phelps-diet/

    Aw, that's cute. Know what's funny. I eat 10-12 whole eggs a day on average. Why can I do this? Because of the way I exercise. Michael Phelps swims miles everyday. The average person, does not. Same goes for other Olympic Athletes. Aside from the pasta, bread, and other carbohydrates - he mainly sticks to whole foods. Carbohydrates are fuel, and he happens to need a lot of it. I don't see any Happy Meals in there. Shocker...
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Call it whatever you want, at the root all the information being given out here, lies reality.

    And the reality is that HCFS is no different than regular sugar, and that organic foods are no more nutritious than non-organic.

    On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/

    But that doesn't "feel" right to you so you continue to stick your head in the sand and shift your argument when shown otherwise.

    So you're ok with your produce being doused with insecticides and pesticides? Good for you. The abundant use of antibiotics does pose a real potential issue, but whatever, we'll cross that bridge when we get there, right? My point is not solely rooted in Organic VS. Conventional. Natural VS Processed...There is no contest. Have yourself an Oreo, you should be proud of yourself.

    You realize that organic farming uses insecticides and pesticides too, right? From the article that you didn't bother to read:
    The third issue with organic food is what is not in, or on them – pesticides, hormones and antibiotics. Here, again, we can take the same two approaches as with nutrition: Is there any evidence of a difference between organic and conventional produce, and is there evidence for a health benefit? There seems to be a consensus on the first question. There are lower levels of synthetic pesticides in organic produce and lower levels of hormones and antibiotics in organic meat than in conventionally grown equivalents. But is this safer for health? The review cited above is also relevant to this question, and essentially there is no evidence for greater safety of organic food over conventional food.

    With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.

    Also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxE9sYatPAs

    Now who's "Shifting the goalposts"? Good job, I like what you did there.

    Do you even grasp what "shifting the goalposts" means? I doubt it.

    I was directly refuting YOUR claim that organic food is inherently healthier. How, pray tell, does this equate to shifting the goalposts?

    The origin of the post deals with sugar. Then HFCS vs Sugars, then Natural VS Processed. Now you're getting into the details of organic vs conventional... As I said before, Organic VS conventional doesn't bother me. Natural VS Processed is what bothers me.

    There are things that are good for you, and things that aren't. Can you honestly tell me you'd rather eat a Snickers Bar instead of some Walnuts, or Whole milk? Does the essay-length list of ingredients in a Snickers Bar not deter you? There's a reason why I'm capable of doing what I do physically. I eat well. You think the US Olympic team is being fed McDonalds, or is drinking soda because it falls within their Macro-nutrient range? Doubtful...

    Can you substantiate that body composition or athletic performance would significantly differ between two identical diets in cals and macros, but differed in the types of foods in the diets?
  • Squeezalsize10
    Squeezalsize10 Posts: 109
    I don't count sugar in fruits. Your body processes those different. I try to watch refined sugars.

    Yes i agree with that.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Call it whatever you want, at the root all the information being given out here, lies reality.

    And the reality is that HCFS is no different than regular sugar, and that organic foods are no more nutritious than non-organic.

    On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/

    But that doesn't "feel" right to you so you continue to stick your head in the sand and shift your argument when shown otherwise.

    So you're ok with your produce being doused with insecticides and pesticides? Good for you. The abundant use of antibiotics does pose a real potential issue, but whatever, we'll cross that bridge when we get there, right? My point is not solely rooted in Organic VS. Conventional. Natural VS Processed...There is no contest. Have yourself an Oreo, you should be proud of yourself.

    You realize that organic farming uses insecticides and pesticides too, right? From the article that you didn't bother to read:
    The third issue with organic food is what is not in, or on them – pesticides, hormones and antibiotics. Here, again, we can take the same two approaches as with nutrition: Is there any evidence of a difference between organic and conventional produce, and is there evidence for a health benefit? There seems to be a consensus on the first question. There are lower levels of synthetic pesticides in organic produce and lower levels of hormones and antibiotics in organic meat than in conventionally grown equivalents. But is this safer for health? The review cited above is also relevant to this question, and essentially there is no evidence for greater safety of organic food over conventional food.

    With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.

    Also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxE9sYatPAs

    Now who's "Shifting the goalposts"? Good job, I like what you did there.

    Do you even grasp what "shifting the goalposts" means? I doubt it.

    I was directly refuting YOUR claim that organic food is inherently healthier. How, pray tell, does this equate to shifting the goalposts?

    The origin of the post deals with sugar. Then HFCS vs Sugars, then Natural VS Processed. Now you're getting into the details of organic vs conventional... As I said before, Organic VS conventional doesn't bother me. Natural VS Processed is what bothers me.

    There are things that are good for you, and things that aren't. Can you honestly tell me you'd rather eat a Snickers Bar instead of some Walnuts, or Whole milk? Does the essay-length list of ingredients in a Snickers Bar not deter you? There's a reason why I'm capable of doing what I do physically. I eat well. You think the US Olympic team is being fed McDonalds, or is drinking soda because it falls within their Macro-nutrient range? Doubtful...
    Essay length list of ingredients in a Snickers Bar? It has a dozen ingredients, including egg whites, lactose, salt, skim milk, peanuts, and milk chocolate. Yeah, full of some terrible stuff all right. Oh, and it actually has sugar, not HFCS. Stop making uninformed, exaggerated false claims. That's called fear mongering, trying to scare people by making things sound worse than they are. Just stick to facts.
  • JustinM86
    JustinM86 Posts: 37
    Can you substantiate that body composition or athletic performance would significantly differ between two identical diets in cals and macros, but differed in the types of foods in the diets?

    http://bmb.oxfordjournals.org/content/55/3/683.full.pdf

    The next time I get a group of individuals that are willing to do a double blind study, I'll let you know asap. Being concerned only with macros and calories and not with vitamin and mineral content? Really? You honestly think there would be no difference in body composition or athletic performance? B-Vitamins, Iron (especially for females), calcium for muscle contraction. The list goes on and on. My worry would be that in order to obtain optimal amounts of these micro nutrients, you'd have to go beyond the macro range while consuming processed foods. So no, I wouldn't consider processed foods to be any better in that regard either. There's still quality to consider, even with the vitamin and mineral content. Where they're derived from, ect.
  • JustinM86
    JustinM86 Posts: 37
    Essay length list of ingredients in a Snickers Bar? It has a dozen ingredients, including egg whites, lactose, salt, skim milk, peanuts, and milk chocolate. Yeah, full of some terrible stuff all right. Oh, and it actually has sugar, not HFCS. Stop making uninformed, exaggerated false claims. That's called fear mongering, trying to scare people by making things sound worse than they are. Just stick to facts.

    Snickers Bar:

    "Milk chocolate (sugar, cocoa butter, chocolate, lactose, skim milk, milkfat, soy lecithin, artifiical flavor), peanuts, corn syrup, sugar, skim milk, butter, milkfat, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, lactose, salt, egg whites, artificial flavor."

    So, corn syrup and trans fat. Yup, healthy...

    Whole Milk:

    "Whole milk, vitamin D and Vitamin D3 added"

    Both contain protein, carbohydrates, fat and sugar. Which one is better for you? It's no rocket science.
  • LesterBlackstone
    LesterBlackstone Posts: 291 Member
    Yaay., let's add "false-dichotomy" to the list of logical fallacies. Because, as we all know, you have to consume either fruit or Snickers bars. Nobody could possibly consume both --- that would just be silly.

    Especially Olympic athletes with high caloric needs -- no room in THAT diet for any discretionary calories.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    Yaay., let's add "false-dichotomy" to the list of logical fallacies. Because, as we all know, you have to consume either fruit or Snickers bars. Nobody could possibly consume both --- that would just be silly.

    Especially Olympic athletes with high caloric needs -- no room in THAT diet for any discretionary calories.

    ^ This.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excluding-the-middle.html
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    my solution was to remove the sugar column from my diary. i don't distinguish between "sugar" and "carbohydrates".
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    my solution was to remove the sugar column from my diary. i don't distinguish between "sugar" and "carbohydrates".

    ^ I do the same.
  • agentscully514
    agentscully514 Posts: 616 Member
    I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

    They should really separate processed sugars from natural sugars. There's a massive difference. =(

    No, there really isn't.
  • mstpoynter
    mstpoynter Posts: 1
    I agree!!! It is everywhere. Sugar is my weakness. I did the Atkins diet before and was extremely sucessfull, but it required me to eliminate sugar completely. Although it was difficult, I did it and lost 25 lbs in 2 months which was 2 yrs ago. Since then, I've tried multiple diets, but none keep my attention longer than 2-3 weeks because of limitations. This time, I did the Atkins for 2 weeks to get in the habit of watching my sweets/carb intake. I eliminated sweets and now I'm working them in very slowly. I've lost 8 lbs in the last month....
  • IronPlayground
    IronPlayground Posts: 1,594 Member
    33 grams of sugar is supposed to be my limit according to MFP, I take in over 100 grams of sugar and I feel like I'm eating pretty well! What are you guys getting in one day for sugar intake!!! I feel like that's what I need to eliminate to shrink my belly, but SUGAR'S EVERY DAMN WHERE!!!!

    I don't track it. Sugar is a carb, I track carbs.

    Unless you have a medical condition where you need to control sugar intake, it really isn't necessary to track.
  • agentscully514
    agentscully514 Posts: 616 Member
    Can I just say it is cracking me up to watch an argument between two sets of headless abs?
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
    Can I just say it is cracking me up to watch an argument between two sets of headless abs?

    Sure. Go right ahead and say it. :happy:
  • EmilySG2011
    EmilySG2011 Posts: 82
    I have heard many others say not to pay a lot of attention to the sugars on here because it is ridiculously low. Like others posting here...I pay more attention to overall carbs than the actual sugar amount. You may want to even take that off of your daily tracking just so it doesn't irritate you so much!
    33 grams of sugar is supposed to be my limit according to MFP, I take in over 100 grams of sugar and I feel like I'm eating pretty well! What are you guys getting in one day for sugar intake!!! I feel like that's what I need to eliminate to shrink my belly, but SUGAR'S EVERY DAMN WHERE!!!!
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
    33 grams of sugar is supposed to be my limit according to MFP, I take in over 100 grams of sugar and I feel like I'm eating pretty well! What are you guys getting in one day for sugar intake!!! I feel like that's what I need to eliminate to shrink my belly, but SUGAR'S EVERY DAMN WHERE!!!!

    I don't track it. Sugar is a carb, I track carbs.

    Unless you have a medical condition where you need to control sugar intake, it really isn't necessary to track.

    The flip side to this is that all carbs are processed into glucose - sugar - as part of the digestion process.
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
    my solution was to remove the sugar column from my diary. i don't distinguish between "sugar" and "carbohydrates".

    Smart fella. :smile:
  • Spanaval
    Spanaval Posts: 1,200 Member
    my solution was to remove the sugar column from my diary. i don't distinguish between "sugar" and "carbohydrates".

    Same. I didn't even know I was supposed to track sugars, actually.

    To be perfectly honest, I don't know what all the angst over this stuff is all about. Eat about as healthy as one can while staying within the calorie goals. Do it in a manner that is sustainable. Stop hand wringing over sugar or carb or fat or whatever the evil food of the day is (unless there is a medical reason for it). It ain't rocket science.
  • JustinM86
    JustinM86 Posts: 37
    Can I just say it is cracking me up to watch an argument between two sets of headless abs?

    haha, I agree. This is stupid. I'm not an "all or nothing" type of person. I eat sensibly, not super strict. I eat cleanly enough that if I want to have some "junk food", I can eat it. On that note, I'm not claiming to know everything, because obviously I don't. No one does. No two people should consume the same diet either.
  • Taryn1627
    Taryn1627 Posts: 118 Member
    as long as my sugars are from things like fruits and greek yogurt, i try not to worry about them too much...it's the processed sugars you gotta watch out for! (cookies, cakes, ice cream, soda)
  • TXBelle1174
    TXBelle1174 Posts: 615 Member
    I know that I am going to get backlash from this.. but thats ok. I am pre-diabetic and my dietician and endocrinologist said that your body does not differentiate between types of sugar. Sugar is sugar. Of course, natural sugars coming from natural foods like fruits and veggies will be accompanied by the nutrition that comes along with eating healthy, natural food BUT it is still sugar. I am allowed to have 20g of sugars per day whether it comes from ice cream or strawberries. If I sit down and eat a big ol bowl of watermelon, I get a blood sugar spike just as though I drank a can of coke. So perhaps they are metabolized differently, I am not a scientist, I dont know but I know that MY body responds to sugar the same way - from fruit or from refined sugar. Just throwing my non-expertise out there.
  • fredgunnerson
    fredgunnerson Posts: 7 Member
    I track carbs, protein and fat. I've been running 50% protein, 30% carbs, 20% fat. P90X 6 days a week for exercise, 1800 calories a day total.

    It's all about keeping your blood sugar level. Any type of sugar makes it spike and then drop. Think of your body like a car. It needs gas to run. First it uses the gas that's in the gas tank. When that runs out you have to go to a gas station. When the gas station runs out they need a big tanker truck to haul in more fuel. That big truck get's it's load from another big storage tank. So you need to quit topping off your tank and start drilling for crude oil if you get my drift....

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