"clean foods"

JustJennie1

They're regulated by the FDA and in small amounts like you are getting, there's no issue.

Yes. Because the FDA clearly has everyone's "best interests" at heart. They're the ones that approve drugs that have serious side effects such as fatal events (really?) TB (WTF?) "Uncontrollable muscle spasms that can become permanent" (WOW!) They also want to regulate vitamins and make them available by prescription only so those multi vitamins, COQ10 and Fish Oil that you take and can get at the supermarket won't be available unless you have a prescription.

Yes. The FDA clearly knows what they're talking about. :grumble:

No kidding! Have you heard about the new weight loss medication they're about to release?

No, but I can only imagine what the side effects are.

bcattoes

Food is a source of macro and micronutrients. No source is better than any other. It is just food. Meet your calorie goal, eat enough protein, and eat enough vitamins to not develop a deficiency; as long as you aren't allergic ot any component and it is satisfying, every single thing you ate to conglomerate into the whole is as healthy as every other thing.

Only an overall diet can be labeled healthy or unhealthy, the individual components of the diet are health neutral, neither healthy nor unhealthy. Just food.

All of that is not exactly true. While it is true on an individual level that the overall diet needs to be looked at to be labelled healthy or unhealthy. There certainly are foods that have a better overall nutrition "package" than others, making them more healthy in the general sense.

For example, if a food helps you meet your protein goal and provides 3 vitamins otherwise lacking in your diet, but also raises your blood pressure, I think most people would consider that less healthy than another food that also meets your protein goal, provides the same 3 vitamins and does not raise your BP.

Acg67

Yes. Because the FDA clearly has everyone's "best interests" at heart.

Contrary to what you may have heard on TV or read on some dude's blog, the government is not just a bunch of crooks with the interests of big business in mind as they look to screw people at every turn possible, in an effort to extract maximum cash from your pockets.

And businesses in general would like to do as much for their customers as possible, after all happy customers are repeat customers. Killing off or otherwise making your customer base unhealthy is not a wise course of action if you wish to stay in business.

You can always find a conspiracy theory if you are looking for one and want there to be one. No matter how much the theory is a load of crap, a herd of people with confirmation bias will make any conspiracy real. (heck look at the whole birther thing, that situation was comical, especially if you step back and look at the why behind it, it was obviously utter nonsense, but a huge herd of people wanted it to be real, so confirmation bias made it so)

Have you ever LISTENED to the ads for the new drugs that the FDA approves? And you're ok with the fact that the side effects are probably worse than the condition itself? You're ok knowing that a drug that the FDA deemed to be good enough to make might cause you to die? You're ok with the fact that they want to regulate HERBAL supplements that aren't bad for you and cause no side effects because they aren't getting kick backs or money from the companies that produce them?

I would much rather look into natural alternatives than to take a drug that does this to me:

should not be used right before or after certain heart surgeries.

Serious skin reactions, or stomach and intestine problems such as bleeding and ulcers, can occur without warning and may cause death. Patients taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers.

Tell your doctor if you have:

A history of ulcers or bleeding in the stomach or intestines
High blood pressure or heart failure
Kidney or liver problems

XXXXXshould not be taken in late pregnancy.

Do not take XXXXX if you’ve had an asthma attack, hives, or other allergic reactions to aspirin, any other NSAID medicine or certain drugs called sulfonamides.

Life threatening allergic reactions can occur with XXXXXXX. Get help right away if you’ve had swelling of the face or throat or trouble breathing.

Prescription XXXXXX should be used exactly as prescribed at the lowest dose possible and for the shortest time needed.

And this one was for rheumatoid arthritis! If a person does their home work they can find proven, natural alternatives with zero side effects to help with a lot of the diseases out there and not have to worry about a "fatal event, intestinal bleeding, ulcer, heart attack, stroke . . . ."

WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm. Do not take this product if you are pregnant or nursing. ... ...

^ Guess what that is on the label of?

JustJennie1

Yes. Because the FDA clearly has everyone's "best interests" at heart.

Contrary to what you may have heard on TV or read on some dude's blog, the government is not just a bunch of crooks with the interests of big business in mind as they look to screw people at every turn possible, in an effort to extract maximum cash from your pockets.

And businesses in general would like to do as much for their customers as possible, after all happy customers are repeat customers. Killing off or otherwise making your customer base unhealthy is not a wise course of action if you wish to stay in business.

You can always find a conspiracy theory if you are looking for one and want there to be one. No matter how much the theory is a load of crap, a herd of people with confirmation bias will make any conspiracy real. (heck look at the whole birther thing, that situation was comical, especially if you step back and look at the why behind it, it was obviously utter nonsense, but a huge herd of people wanted it to be real, so confirmation bias made it so)

Have you ever LISTENED to the ads for the new drugs that the FDA approves? And you're ok with the fact that the side effects are probably worse than the condition itself? You're ok knowing that a drug that the FDA deemed to be good enough to make might cause you to die? You're ok with the fact that they want to regulate HERBAL supplements that aren't bad for you and cause no side effects because they aren't getting kick backs or money from the companies that produce them?

I would much rather look into natural alternatives than to take a drug that does this to me:

should not be used right before or after certain heart surgeries.

Serious skin reactions, or stomach and intestine problems such as bleeding and ulcers, can occur without warning and may cause death. Patients taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers.

Tell your doctor if you have:

A history of ulcers or bleeding in the stomach or intestines
High blood pressure or heart failure
Kidney or liver problems

XXXXXshould not be taken in late pregnancy.

Do not take XXXXX if you’ve had an asthma attack, hives, or other allergic reactions to aspirin, any other NSAID medicine or certain drugs called sulfonamides.

Life threatening allergic reactions can occur with XXXXXXX. Get help right away if you’ve had swelling of the face or throat or trouble breathing.

Prescription XXXXXX should be used exactly as prescribed at the lowest dose possible and for the shortest time needed.

And this one was for rheumatoid arthritis! If a person does their home work they can find proven, natural alternatives with zero side effects to help with a lot of the diseases out there and not have to worry about a "fatal event, intestinal bleeding, ulcer, heart attack, stroke . . . ."

WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm. Do not take this product if you are pregnant or nursing. ... ...

^ Guess what that is on the label of?

Pretty much everything.

Acg67

Yes. Because the FDA clearly has everyone's "best interests" at heart.

Contrary to what you may have heard on TV or read on some dude's blog, the government is not just a bunch of crooks with the interests of big business in mind as they look to screw people at every turn possible, in an effort to extract maximum cash from your pockets.

And businesses in general would like to do as much for their customers as possible, after all happy customers are repeat customers. Killing off or otherwise making your customer base unhealthy is not a wise course of action if you wish to stay in business.

You can always find a conspiracy theory if you are looking for one and want there to be one. No matter how much the theory is a load of crap, a herd of people with confirmation bias will make any conspiracy real. (heck look at the whole birther thing, that situation was comical, especially if you step back and look at the why behind it, it was obviously utter nonsense, but a huge herd of people wanted it to be real, so confirmation bias made it so)

Have you ever LISTENED to the ads for the new drugs that the FDA approves? And you're ok with the fact that the side effects are probably worse than the condition itself? You're ok knowing that a drug that the FDA deemed to be good enough to make might cause you to die? You're ok with the fact that they want to regulate HERBAL supplements that aren't bad for you and cause no side effects because they aren't getting kick backs or money from the companies that produce them?

I would much rather look into natural alternatives than to take a drug that does this to me:

should not be used right before or after certain heart surgeries.

Serious skin reactions, or stomach and intestine problems such as bleeding and ulcers, can occur without warning and may cause death. Patients taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers.

Tell your doctor if you have:

A history of ulcers or bleeding in the stomach or intestines
High blood pressure or heart failure
Kidney or liver problems

XXXXXshould not be taken in late pregnancy.

Do not take XXXXX if you’ve had an asthma attack, hives, or other allergic reactions to aspirin, any other NSAID medicine or certain drugs called sulfonamides.

Life threatening allergic reactions can occur with XXXXXXX. Get help right away if you’ve had swelling of the face or throat or trouble breathing.

Prescription XXXXXX should be used exactly as prescribed at the lowest dose possible and for the shortest time needed.

And this one was for rheumatoid arthritis! If a person does their home work they can find proven, natural alternatives with zero side effects to help with a lot of the diseases out there and not have to worry about a "fatal event, intestinal bleeding, ulcer, heart attack, stroke . . . ."

WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm. Do not take this product if you are pregnant or nursing. ... ...

^ Guess what that is on the label of?

Pretty much everything.

All natural fish oil pills, ahhhhhh, freak out

JustJennie1

WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm. Do not take this product if you are pregnant or nursing. ... ...

^ Guess what that is on the label of?

Pretty much everything.

All natural fish oil pills, ahhhhhh, freak out

Mine don't have that warning on them.

*edited because I hate drawing out long quotes*

ilovemybuggy

They're regulated by the FDA and in small amounts like you are getting, there's no issue.

Yes. Because the FDA clearly has everyone's "best interests" at heart. They're the ones that approve drugs that have serious side effects such as fatal events (really?) TB (WTF?) "Uncontrollable muscle spasms that can become permanent" (WOW!) They also want to regulate vitamins and make them available by prescription only so those multi vitamins, COQ10 and Fish Oil that you take and can get at the supermarket won't be available unless you have a prescription.

Yes. The FDA clearly knows what they're talking about. :grumble:

No kidding! Have you heard about the new weight loss medication they're about to release?

No, but I can only imagine what the side effects are.

Here's one article.... enjoy *sarcasm overload*

2 New Weight-Loss Drugs Won't Reverse U.S. Obesity Crisis
By Amanda Gardner
HealthDay Reporter | HealthDay – Thu, Jul 19, 2012Share2EmailPrintTHURSDAY, July 19 (HealthDay News) -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of two new weight-loss drugs within the past month -- the first such medications in 13 years -- won't be a panacea for America's obesity epidemic, health professionals say.

And as the FDA's drug regulators reiterated when approving the two drugs, Qysmia and Belviq, no weight-loss medication should be used without also making lifestyle changes to facilitate weight loss.

"The bottom line is there's no such thing as a magic pill and I hope that individuals do not think by taking this pill that it will ensure long-term weight loss," said Keri Gans, a registered dietitian in New York City. "We need to be reminded that diet and exercise are still critical."

Qysmia, formerly called Qnexa, was approved on Tuesday and is a combination of the weight-loss drug phentermine (brand name Adipex-P, among others) and the anti-seizure medication Topamax (topiramate).

It is only approved for people who are obese (a body mass index, or BMI, of 30 or above) or overweight people (BMI of 27 or higher) and who also suffer from conditions such as high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes or high cholesterol.

Phentermine once was prescribed widely as the "phen" part of the fen-phen weight-loss drug, which was withdrawn from the market in 1997 after it was linked to both high blood pressure in the lungs and heart valve disease. The problems appeared to be related to the "fen," or fenfluramine, part of the combination, not the phentermine.

Qsymia was initially denied FDA approval in 2010 because of potential side effects, including heart palpitations and birth defects -- such as cleft lip in babies -- if taken by pregnant women.

Phentermine is believed to work by controlling appetite and Topamax by speeding up metabolism.

But Topamax also has side effects, including, possibly, numbness in the arms and legs, said Dr. Michael Aziz, an internist at Lenox Hill Hospital, in New York City, who added that having two drugs together could compound the side effects.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is stressing that Qsymia not be used by pregnant women. Nor should it be taken by people who have had a recent stroke or unstable heart disease as it can speed up heart rate. Neither should it be taken by people with glaucoma or hyperthyroidism.

And the drug can only be sold via specially certified drug stores.

"The concern is with it being overprescribed," Gans said. "There's the concern that too many people may have access to it when they simply need to make diet modifications and not look for some magic solutions."

The second drug approved in the last month was Belviq (lorcaserin), also for obese adults who have high blood pressure, high cholesterol or type 2 diabetes.

Belviq seems to work by controlling appetite, Aziz said, but in trials it produced limited weight loss.

Belviq may cause serious side effects, including "serotonin syndrome," particularly when taken with certain medicines that increase serotonin levels or activate serotonin receptors, such as drugs used to treat depression and migraine. The drug may also cause problems with attention or memory, the FDA said.

Other common side effects of Belviq in non-diabetic patients include headache, dizziness, fatigue, nausea, dry mouth, and constipation. In patients with diabetes, side effects can include low blood sugar, headache, back pain, cough and fatigue, the FDA said.

The cost of the drug is relatively modest, at least compared to other medications on the market, and may range between $100 and $200 for a month's supply, Aziz said.

But neither drug, despite the splash they've made in the news, is likely to make a significant dent in America's obesity crisis, with two-thirds of the population either overweight or obese.

"The problem that all the drug companies are overlooking is the fact that obesity is really multi-factorial," Aziz said. "It's not only related to diet and exercise but also to hormonal imbalances, stress and lack of sleep."

Acg67

WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm. Do not take this product if you are pregnant or nursing. ... ...

^ Guess what that is on the label of?

Pretty much everything.

All natural fish oil pills, ahhhhhh, freak out
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Mine don't have that warning on them.

*edited because I hate drawing out long quotes*
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See Prop 65 in CA

slkehl

Have you ever LISTENED to the ads for the new drugs that the FDA approves? And you're ok with the fact that the side effects are probably worse than the condition itself? You're ok knowing that a drug that the FDA deemed to be good enough to make might cause you to die? You're ok with the fact that they want to regulate HERBAL supplements that aren't bad for you and cause no side effects because they aren't getting kick backs or money from the companies that produce them?

The side effects that are worse than the condition itself are rare. It's your choice to determine whether or not you want to take that risk, but the FDA still needs to inform consumers of possible side effects. This is a common practice not just limited to the FDA. For example, when I got my wisdom teeth removed, I was informed there could be rare but life threatening complications during surgery. But I was willing to take that risk to avoid having my wisdom teeth come at an angle, as it showed they would do by x-ray, and misalign all my other teeth.

stonerdude

clean foods are a myth. calories in and calories out is what counts to lose weight.

Twinkie Diet: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

just my two cents.

What about health? It is not determined by weight, it is determined by the nutrients you consume!