OMG CARBS ARE INDEED THE DEVIL HIMSLEF DISGUISED AS FOOD.

lovetobeme

People need to understand that every person's body is different and for some weight loss is an simple as calories in vs. calories out
. That being said, for some it is not that simple and requires more careful consideration of what nutrients are being consumed. If someone finds success in low-carb dieting GOOD FOR THEM. Low carb doesn't mean no carb, it is usually making sure the carbs you eat are the best kind for you. If someone else finds success in other ways, GOOD FOR THEM too. People need to stop bashing each other and just be supportive. Everyone is different, isn't that what makes the world a great place to live?

tismyhardbody

You mean FAT isn't the devil? :bigsmile:

:sick:

Eagles802051

I have the following opinions:

1) Low carb dieting is a legitimate method for some people in some contexts. Diabetics being one of them.

2) Carbs are not essential.

3) However, I think the reason that low carb diets may work is very misunderstood, which leads to people spouting BS about low carb diets, and I think that's a problem. They pick up a Taubes book, think that the cherry-picked studies are convincing, and then become convinced that carbs are the singular cause of obesity and that somehow the insulin fairy is out to make them fat.

There's a whole lot of people who do just fine creating a calorie deficit with moderate carb intake. There are some people who will have better success by creating a calorie deficit AND eating low carb.

It's a tool, it's viable for some people and it's far from an ideal choice for others.

This is 100% fact. You can lose weight with or without carbs. With carbs the main source of energy is glucose. In low carb/no carb diets your body switches over to ketosis, which uses fats as your main source of energy. As long as you get enough protein ( .7-2 grams per lb. of LBM) enough healthy fats( .25-.6 grams per lb. of LBM) and get your daily micronutrients(vitamins)you can be healthy. There is no right way to lose fat.

lrkidd

I know this has probably been said 100 times through this thread but I feel I must say it again......

Everyone is different! I cannot tolerate carbs as well as the next person and their are many people out there like me. I have to take medicine to adjust the sugar levels in my body so eating 300 carbs a day would be diet suicide for me.

Please do not think just because it works for you it will work for me.

BBeccaJean

Considering that 8.3% of American population (25.8 million people) has Diabetes and that's going up...and 63% of America is overweight/obese...it indicates something. Namely, that almost everyone in America has a problem with food and have pre-existing medical conditions before trying to lose weight. It's not just the quantity of food that matters (calories), it's the QUALITY of food. We have to look at what we are eating as a nation...I think Fast Food is one of the worst things (drive-thrus especially) invented. Obviously we are doing something wrong...most of the carbs available today are simple-carbs that are processed. If you stick to QUALITY carbs that are unrefined, unprocessed, and in the right portion, that's fine. But most people don't. It has been shown that simple-carbs (which quickly turn into sugar) cause addictions and can actually confuse the body, making the body unable to process food the way it should.

debussyschild

First of all, there is a method for everyone. Yours works for you and meets your goals. That's wonderful. No need to bash what other routes people choose to meet their goals.

I for one follow a carb restricted/higher protein diet and strength train regularly. Following such regimen has thus far yielded great results with very little feelings of deprivation for me. I've also noticed that when I eat more carbohydrates than normal (especially if they come from refined sugars), I tend to weigh a little more. So, naturally, I up the water and go back to eating my complex carbs twice a day.

You are indeed correct, carbs are not the devil. Satan might take offense to that. However, stop to think about where people are starting out and what knowledge they may or may not have when choosing to adopt to one or another particular weight loss plan.

suelegal

the problem with all this is people who are on such strong low carb diets never really understand the difference between good carbs and bad carbs. Most of the people I know pretty much consider all carbs to be bad, which isn't the truth.

You can't generalize about that. The documentation is all there, on every low-carb site there is. There are always going to be people who want the easier softer way, but most of us who are really low-carb eaters know the difference between a good carb (vegetables for me) and bad carbs (white grains, rice processed foods and sugars). I have eaten low carb for years, my cholestrol is perfect, my blood pressure is great, and as a matter of fact, the time I stopped eating lowcarb is when I put on the 25 pounds that I'm in the process of losing now. So don't make than generalization please.

lrkidd

Why is it that people seem to think there's some special "trick" or shortcut to losing body fat? Why is it that people try to over-complicate weight loss by making up all these tricks and tips and fad diets (like the low carb or Atkins diets) that will supposedly just melt the fat off your body?

Cause people are lazy.

To you I would have to say that Karma really don't like ugly. I sure hope you don't meet her soon because you have no clue how hard it is to stay away from carbs. It is a constant struggle for me. I work out daily, keep my calorie intake under 1500, and I do not eat back my exercise calories.

That being said I don't do it cause I want to....I do it because my health depends on it and I would really rather not have to give myself daily shots in the gut.

So please think before you type....or better yet do some research first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

caraiselite

OK, I just keep seeing these stupid "no carb diet help pls" or "OMG I went over my carb limit what should I do??" Topics and just had to try and clear this up a little bit/.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/res_high_protein_diets.html

'Nuff said, honestly.

Why is it that people seem to think there's some special "trick" or shortcut to losing body fat? Why is it that people try to over-complicate weight loss by making up all these tricks and tips and fad diets (like the low carb or Atkins diets) that will supposedly just melt the fat off your body? Why would depriving your body of ANY crucial nutrient would be good, especially carbohydrates, which are the building blocks of energy?

I myself have lost a little over 20 pounds following calorie restriction combined with strength and cardio. It's really that simple, and almost anyone can do it. Expend more than your put in for a CONSISTENT amount of time;that is ALL you need to do. : )

So please everybody stop depriving yourself of carbs and fearing carbs; when you eat GOOD foods, like whole grains and fresh vegetables, your body will thank you, and you will get the result you want!

this 'doctor' sounds like a doctor oz ripoff.

there are plenty of real doctors that approve of a ketogenic lifestyle.

chivalryder

OK, I just keep seeing these stupid "no carb diet help pls" or "OMG I went over my carb limit what should I do??" Topics and just had to try and clear this up a little bit/.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/res_high_protein_diets.html

'Nuff said, honestly.

Why is it that people seem to think there's some special "trick" or shortcut to losing body fat? Why is it that people try to over-complicate weight loss by making up all these tricks and tips and fad diets (like the low carb or Atkins diets) that will supposedly just melt the fat off your body? Why would depriving your body of ANY crucial nutrient would be good, especially carbohydrates, which are the building blocks of energy?

I myself have lost a little over 20 pounds following calorie restriction combined with strength and cardio. It's really that simple, and almost anyone can do it. Expend more than your put in for a CONSISTENT amount of time;that is ALL you need to do. : )

So please everybody stop depriving yourself of carbs and fearing carbs; when you eat GOOD foods, like whole grains and fresh vegetables, your body will thank you, and you will get the result you want!

this 'doctor' sounds like a doctor oz ripoff.

there are plenty of real doctors that approve of a ketogenic lifestyle.

There are also a lot of doctors they tell you to "live with it" when you rip some ligaments in your thumb in a car accident.

Just sayin'.

yo_andi

I watch my carbs pretty closely due to insulin resistance. Before I did that I had a very, very difficult time losing bodyfat.

Check your premises before making a boneheaded argument. And realize that gross generalizations are just that; gross and general.

jcr85

Why do you care what diets people do. The only trick to dieting is finding one you like and can make it fit your lifestyle.

suelegal

Low Carb zealots would *kitten* themselves if they saw how many carbs I had on a frequent basis. lol

Actually we probably wouldn't even care, cuz it's you and your choice.

zyxst

I ate an 8", white flour tortilla while reading this.

raystark

Why would depriving your body of ANY crucial nutrient would be good, especially carbohydrates, which are the building blocks of energy?

Well, if you're diabetic you probably want to control your carb intake.

Yup

cartrat

If you'd like me to cite multiple sources, I can when I get back to my apartment. I've got books on this.

hitler wrote a book too.

raystark

Low Carb zealots would *kitten* themselves if they saw how many carbs I had on a frequent basis. lol

Why would they do that?

raystark

That why Gatorade is primarily sugar water.

Complex carbohydrates are a totally different story.

Gatorade doesn't have that much sugar in it... just saying...

Really? It seems to get all of it's calories from sugar.


Gatorade - Thirst Quencher - Orange Flavor
Servings:
Calories 50 Sodium 110 mg
Total Fat 0 g Potassium 30 mg
Saturated 0 g Total Carbs 14 g
Polyunsaturated 0 g Dietary Fiber 0 g
Monounsaturated 0 g Sugars 14 g
Trans 0 g Protein 0 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
Vitamin A 0% Calcium 0%
Vitamin C 0% Iron 0

Sabine_Stroehm

Low Carb zealots would *kitten* themselves if they saw how many carbs I had on a frequent basis. lol

Why would they care?

Sabine_Stroehm

I ate an 8", white flour tortilla while reading this.

great. What's your point?

Sabine_Stroehm

This thread baffles me. Why do people care how others approach health?? Why do they insist they are right? And feel the need to be snarky about it? Why insist there's ONE right way. And that you know it.
Particularly first time dieters and yoyo dieters. I'm seeing a lot of replies from folks who may not truly KNOW how to keep the weight off throughout their lives. But MAN are they quick to mock others.

carebear7951

I think that low carb works to lose weight...however, for me it made me feel very "down" and blah. I had no energy, mental, emotional or physical. I also have PCOS and I'm sure the low carb would help me...

to each his own! If you are losing weight and getting the nutrients your body needs: :flowerforyou:

cartrat

This thread baffles me. Why do people care how others approach health?? Why do they insist they are right? And feel the need to be snarky about it? Why insist there's ONE right way. And that you know it.
Particularly first time dieters and yoyo dieters. I'm seeing a lot of replies from folks who may not truly KNOW how to keep the weight off throughout their lives. But MAN are they quick to mock others.

it also baffles me as to what the OP expects from positng topics like this: feeling it's her duty to criticize a particular way of eating. does she expect us to read it and be like:

oh okay. you're right.

kimimila86

Why am I not surprised by yet another low-carb bashing thread? It's pretty clear that the OP doesn't have a clue about hormonal imbalance caused by this awesome macro conveniently dubbed as "carb" and is just frustrated with fad diets in general. I would be the happiest person in the world if I could continue eating whole grain pasta or breads, but I can't because of how it affects my insulin levels.

I digress... before you choose to bash on how someone else decides to nourish themselves, try understanding why they might be doing what they're doing. I would really love to go just one day without someone telling me my diet (aka- FOOD INTAKE) is "this" or "that".

Lina4Lina

On this site, I actually see more bashing of higher carb diets.

I think there is something that we can all agree with and that is that there is something wrong with the Standard American Diet/Western diet.

There are many countries in the world that thrive on high carbs with low levels of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, etc. There are also a few cultures that thrive on very high fat/low carb diets with similar results. The human body is very adaptable though and macronutrients can vary greatly without ill effects. I'm more inclined to believe it is the type of carbs and as someone who has had IR/hypoglycemic issues in the past, my blood sugar levels stay fairly normal on my current version of higher carb diet.

I think people should do what makes them feel best though. If someone wants to eat higher carb or lower carb or higher fat or lower fat, go for it. If you are having issues for one reason or another, look at tweaking to fix but I think overall, understand that your way of life may not be someone elses.

Sabine_Stroehm

On this site, I actually see more bashing of higher carb diets.

I think there is something that we can all agree with and that is that there is something wrong with the Standard American Diet/Western diet.

There are many countries in the world that thrive on high carbs with low levels of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, etc. There are also a few cultures that thrive on very high fat/low carb diets with similar results. The human body is very adaptable though and macronutrients can vary greatly without ill effects. I'm more inclined to believe it is the type of carbs and as someone who has had IR/hypoglycemic issues in the past, my blood sugar levels stay fairly normal on my current version of higher carb diet.

I think people should do what makes them feel best though. If someone wants to eat higher carb or lower carb or higher fat or lower fat, go for it. If you are having issues for one reason or another, look at tweaking to fix but I think overall, understand that your way of life may not be someone elses.

Actually, I'm not sure many folks WOULD agree with the fact that there's something wrong with the Western Diet.

raystark

On this site, I actually see more bashing of higher carb diets.

I think there is something that we can all agree with and that is that there is something wrong with the Standard American Diet/Western diet.

There are many countries in the world that thrive on high carbs with low levels of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, etc. There are also a few cultures that thrive on very high fat/low carb diets with similar results. The human body is very adaptable though and macronutrients can vary greatly without ill effects. I'm more inclined to believe it is the type of carbs and as someone who has had IR/hypoglycemic issues in the past, my blood sugar levels stay fairly normal on my current version of higher carb diet.

I think people should do what makes them feel best though. If someone wants to eat higher carb or lower carb or higher fat or lower fat, go for it. If you are having issues for one reason or another, look at tweaking to fix but I think overall, understand that your way of life may not be someone elses.

Actually, I'm not sure many folks WOULD agree with the fact that there's something wrong with the Western Diet.

Most Standard Americans wouldn't. Otherwise it would not be known by that name.

postrockandcats

This is still going on? For the love of peaches. Some people don't eat carbs. Deal with it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to eat the foods I want because you aren't the boss of me.

(not low carb, for the record)

Sabine_Stroehm

On this site, I actually see more bashing of higher carb diets.

I think there is something that we can all agree with and that is that there is something wrong with the Standard American Diet/Western diet.

There are many countries in the world that thrive on high carbs with low levels of diabetes, cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, etc. There are also a few cultures that thrive on very high fat/low carb diets with similar results. The human body is very adaptable though and macronutrients can vary greatly without ill effects. I'm more inclined to believe it is the type of carbs and as someone who has had IR/hypoglycemic issues in the past, my blood sugar levels stay fairly normal on my current version of higher carb diet.

I think people should do what makes them feel best though. If someone wants to eat higher carb or lower carb or higher fat or lower fat, go for it. If you are having issues for one reason or another, look at tweaking to fix but I think overall, understand that your way of life may not be someone elses.

Actually, I'm not sure many folks WOULD agree with the fact that there's something wrong with the Western Diet.

Most Standard Americans wouldn't. Otherwise it would not be known by that name.

ha. Exactly. I think most folks would say: it's fine. I just need to watch my portions.

mmapags

Why would depriving your body of ANY crucial nutrient would be good, especially carbohydrates, which are the building blocks of energy?

Actually fat is the building main block of energy...? The reason carbs become what our bodies use to fuel themselves is because the average diet has such an over abundance of them coming in. Carbs are necessary to stimulate proper brain function, but it really doesn't take that many to do it...

LOL, total Broscience! Main building block of energy?? ROFL