Raw Milk Anyone?
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I prefer to be a government brainwashed sheeple on this one and use pasteurized dairy products. I cook meat before I eat it, so have my milk heated before I drink it hardly seems like some dangerous conspiracy to me.
And this has never been a country where you are free to do whatever you want. Ever. That has never been the definition of what a free society means. Laws and taxes, anyone?
Actually there was a time when the government did NOT regulate food and drugs. And we got along splendidly.
Yeah, life was so great way back then. Back when life expectancy was a good two decades lower, thanks to so many young people dying of infectious diseases. Now I can expect my kids to live into adulthood. Stupid government regulations.
Actually its very likely that you can now expect your kids to live less than you.0 -
More people get sick from fruits and vegetables too. Washing them doesn't do much to help with bacterial contamination also
Should the FDA start selling pasteurized and cooked cantaloupes now?
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/30/13574977-204-now-sick-from-salmonella-outbreak-in-cantaloupes?lite204 now sick from salmonella outbreak in cantaloupes
By Melissa Dahl, NBC News
U.S. health officials say the number of people sickened with the strain of salmonella linked to cantaloupe from an Indiana farm has grown to 204 in 22 states.
At least 78 people have been hospitalized as a result of the infection caused by salmonella Typhimurium, and two deaths have been reported in Kentucky. Here's a list of the number of ill people identified by state, according to the Centers for Disease Control:
Alabama (13), Arkansas (5), California (2), Florida (1), Georgia (4), Illinois (24), Indiana (22), Iowa (8), Kentucky (63), Massachusetts (2), Michigan (6), Minnesota (5), Mississippi (5), Missouri (13), New Jersey (2), North Carolina (5), Ohio (5), Pennsylvania (2), South Carolina (3), Tennessee (8), Texas (2), and Wisconsin (4).0 -
Not sure it's really illegal here in the states because all of the health foods stores near me sell it, and they ADVERTISE selling it. One of them has a huge road sign saying they have it and also advertise in the paper. I believe you have to sign a waiver at the store when you buy it saying you won't sue and you agree to the risks though.
I live just over the hill from a Hutterite colony and they will gladly sell me milk right off the cow, milked in front of me. If you live near a Menonite, Hutterite, or Amish colony you can get the milk fairly cheap. They said they'd charge me $1.00 a gallon. I've yet to buy any though because I am really not fond of milk.
It varies by state. Here is a map showing it by state: http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/raw_milk_map.htm0 -
So everyone who's eaten steak tartar or raw seafood should be dead too. If you doubt the source of your food so much then you shouldn't even eat it, raw or cooked.
Also risky to do. It's like Russian roulette. You might be fine, but there's a significant chance that you could come down with a life threatening disease that's completely preventable by eating fully cooked meat or pasteurized milk.
Anyway, it's rather odd that humans drink milk in the first place. We're the only species that does so past infancy.0 -
[Yeah, life was so great way back then. Back when life expectancy was a good two decades lower, thanks to so many young people dying of infectious diseases. Now I can expect my kids to live into adulthood. Stupid government regulations.
Actually its very likely that you can now expect your kids to live less than you.
Yes, but due to preventable diseases that occur late in adulthood. That's a big difference imo, and one individuals have much more control over than contamination in the food supply.0 -
So everyone who's eaten steak tartar or raw seafood should be dead too. If you doubt the source of your food so much then you shouldn't even eat it, raw or cooked.
Also risky to do. It's like Russian roulette. You might be fine, but there's a significant chance that you could come down with a life threatening disease that's completely preventable by eating fully cooked meat or pasteurized milk.
Anyway, it's rather odd that humans drink milk in the first place. We're the only species that does so past infancy.
We do a lot of other odd things that other species don't do as well. One example would be cooking food.
Its Russian roulette to eat anything. Its so easy for food to get contaminated that you take a bigger risk when you eat a salad, if anything. Most food borne illnesses come from contaminated fruits and vegetables. There's no way to tell when your produce is contaminated, but it would be silly to avoid eating it all together.0 -
Raw Milk? YES PLEASE!@!!!!
I live in Iowa and it is illegal to sell raw milk here. I was introduced to raw milk when in Missouri where it is legal to buy it at the farm where it is produced.
First, your raw milk should come from an organic pasture where there have been no chemicals to interfere with the healthy microbial actions of nature. I found such a place where the farm hand milks cows, puts the milk in sterilized jars, refrigerates it, and goes about the rest of his duties of the day. then, at the end of the day, the refrigerator is empty and the bowl on top is full of $5 bills. Trouble is, it is a 60 mile round trip partly on rough gravel roads.
Raw milk has protection from disease that comes from the preponderance of beneficial microbes in the milk from healthy cows that are not given antibiotics. The healthy microbes in raw milk are excellent for digestion. And raw milk is, as you say, glorious.
Like all foods, raw milk should be consumed in reasonable quantities.0 -
Why would you consider it O.o You aren't a baby cow... =/ If all pasteurization does is kill the bacteria then why go for raw? If we are able to kill off the bad bacteria in the milk then we should do that.
*Serious question....why would you want to drink milk with the bacteria?
I'd just like to add that not every little microorganism is creeping into your body to kill you.
I have had raw milk as a child, and it does taste better. I haven't seen any around here, but it's illegal to sell raw milk for human consumption in Georgia. It's all labelled for pets. These days I drink whole milk because skim, 2%, etc makes me vomit OR have an equally unhappy occurrence from another location. I'm not lactose intolerant.0 -
i have no axe to grind on this but why would you want raw milk over pastuerised milk?
Below is from the FDA
Raw Milk & Pasteurization: Debunking Milk Myths
While pasteurization has helped provide safe, nutrient-rich milk and cheese for over 120 years, some people continue to believe that pasteurization harms milk and that raw milk is a safe healthier alternative.
Here are some common myths and proven facts about milk and pasteurization:
Pasteurizing milk DOES NOT cause lactose intolerance and allergic reactions. Both raw milk and pasteurized milk can cause allergic reactions in people sensitive to milk proteins. ~ Lactose is not a protein. It is a sugar.
Raw milk DOES NOT kill dangerous pathogens by itself. ~ There are studies suggesting otherwise.
Pasteurization DOES NOT reduce milk's nutritional value. ~ This is only by measuring calories, fat, protein and sugars in milk. It does kill enzymes that help make milk digestible and microbes that also aid in digestion/ absorption of nutrients. It all depends on how you look at "nutrition".
Pasteurization DOES NOT mean that it is safe to leave milk out of the refrigerator for extended time, particularly after it has been opened. ~Absolutely! Once pasturized, milk is highly susceptible to spoilage because the healthy bacteria are no longer there to compete with microbes that get in there once the milk is opened. There is more wiggle room with raw milk, and it can even be allowed to clabber and is still tasty and healthy.
Pasteurization DOES kill harmful bacteria. ~Yes, right along with the myriad healthful ones.
Pasteurization DOES save lives. ????0 -
Oh, but I am a baby cow- have you seen my food diary?!? I LOVE fat, and I love real fat....and I like bacteria. It's good for your guts.0
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Oh, but I am a baby cow- have you seen my food diary?!? I LOVE fat, and I love real fat....and I like bacteria. It's good for your guts.
Not all bacteria is.0 -
If I was worried about it, I wouldn't drink it.0
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If I was worried about it, I wouldn't drink it.
Do whatever you want, as long as you don't sue the state or your doctor when you get sick.0 -
That would just be silly to sue the doctor or the state. They didn't jam it down my throat.0
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There s of course another issue to consider when buying milk - economics.
Here in the UK there has been recent uproard regarding the amount of money paid to Dairy farmers for milk, in that the supermarkets want to pass cuts directly to the farmer. For example, a farmer gets 57pence for four pints of milk. The COST of production is 68 pence. The retail value is £1.18 giving the retalier a 37p mark-up once processing costs have been taken out.
The farmer loses money EVERY single time he milks a cow.
Therefore, in the same vein as 'buying local' for our fresh produce and meat etc. We should aim to cut out the middle man and give farmers more of their hard-earned cash.
Don't for a moment think that heating milk is all that happens to it during processing. Remember as a child skimming off the 'top of the milk' as a delicious creamy extra? gone through homogenization How else do you think we get 2% milk or 1%? It used to be skimmed and semi-skimmed - the categories had varying fat contents within a band.
Personally if I could get hold of raw milk I would. I like the taste, and I like to make yoghurt with it (which incidentally heats it). Most of all I would like to support farmers into getting a fair price for their product, and get my foodstuffs from farms I believe in, rather than the big mix that goes into supermarket milk.0 -
Yea...The farmers get raped when it comes to milk around here. My hometown is mainly dairy farmers and they don't make a lot of money. They would get a lot more money selling it on the "black market" then selling it to be sold in grocery stores.0
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do you eat raw meat to?0
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do you eat raw meat to?
Yes, I do.
Like I wrote above in the thread - raw has risks and they can be important, therefore it is important that you know your sources and markets - I would not drink black market raw milk but I will and have had raw pork (Germany), raw beef (Belgium and France) for the taste.
I've also eaten things that most people would not touch - but when you trek you do what you got to do.
Love raw meat, am not a fan of raw milk often. But I will not hide the risks or try to falsely minimize them as some of the people in this thread do. In either case, I do not eat this foods with higher risks as a main part of my diet.
I'm not against raw anything - just against the fake justifications being thrown out.
Someone mentioned that "market economics" would have taken care of poor quality food without regulation? Laughable.0 -
I like my steaks rare to medium rare. I like raw veggies and fruits
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sushi is raw....how often do people die from that? I think to each their own. It's not like I'm eating a live rabbit or chicken. It's just raw milk.0
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mmmmm. rare steak.......pink lamb........sashimi........scallops straight from the shell on the boat five minutes after bringing them up......
yum.
still alive and kicking. Never had food poisoning.0 -
Ok.^Marry me
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I prefer to be a government brainwashed sheeple on this one and use pasteurized dairy products. I cook meat before I eat it, so have my milk heated before I drink it hardly seems like some dangerous conspiracy to me.
And this has never been a country where you are free to do whatever you want. Ever. That has never been the definition of what a free society means. Laws and taxes, anyone?
Actually there was a time when the government did NOT regulate food and drugs. And we got along splendidly.
Yeah, life was so great way back then. Back when life expectancy was a good two decades lower, thanks to so many young people dying of infectious diseases. Now I can expect my kids to live into adulthood. Stupid government regulations.
Longer life expectancy more than likely came form medical advances, not advances in food safety. I mean, have you ever SEEN the back of an Arby's?0 -
Longer life expectancy more than likely came form medical advances, not advances in food safety. I mean, have you ever SEEN the back of an Arby's?
No, this is quite wrong. The largest advances in life expectancy came from water quality, availability, personal hygiene, waste management and food safety - refrigeration, transport and management. Medicine is also a major factor but not the principal or sole factor. Discounting the other factors is silly, most people do not eat in the back of an Arby's.0 -
I buy 'fresh' organic milk; met a farmer at our local markets and got chatting to them and now go straight to the farm to collect. It contains all the enzymes to properly digest milk and is a living whole food. I have an autisic child whom I treat with diet and he cant tolerate shop milk but can 'fresh' milk. Its is illegal in Australia but just get talking to the local farmers
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The government has a duty to ensure what is sold to the public is safe. When the FDA, or it's equivalent in other countries, give food advice based on scientific research then that advice carries significant weight and is not issued lightly.
The advice may find its way into leglisation - like banning the sale of raw milk - but it doesn't prevent the consumption of same if that's what you want to do.
I like hiking and will drink water from mountain streams rather than carry it. I am sure the advice would be that there's a risk associated with this. i know that risk and decide on balance that it's acceptable because i dont want to carry an extra 3 kgs of water with me.
So the OP can drink raw milk if she wants - I just dont see the benefit other than it might taste better to her. I suppose it must. One poster was able to say raw milk tastes better than pasteurised milk even though they only ever drank raw milk.0 -
I prefer to be a government brainwashed sheeple on this one and use pasteurized dairy products. I cook meat before I eat it, so have my milk heated before I drink it hardly seems like some dangerous conspiracy to me.
And this has never been a country where you are free to do whatever you want. Ever. That has never been the definition of what a free society means. Laws and taxes, anyone?
Actually there was a time when the government did NOT regulate food and drugs. And we got along splendidly.
Yeah, life was so great way back then. Back when life expectancy was a good two decades lower, thanks to so many young people dying of infectious diseases. Now I can expect my kids to live into adulthood. Stupid government regulations.
If you love government so much, why don't you marry it?0 -
The government has a duty to ensure what is sold to the public is safe. When the FDA, or it's equivalent in other countries, give food advice based on scientific research then that advice carries significant weight and is not issued lightly.
The advice may find its way into leglisation - like banning the sale of raw milk - but it doesn't prevent the consumption of same if that's what you want to do.
I like hiking and will drink water from mountain streams rather than carry it. I am sure the advice would be that there's a risk associated with this. i know that risk and decide on balance that it's acceptable because i dont want to carry an extra 3 kgs of water with me.
So the OP can drink raw milk if she wants - I just dont see the benefit other than it might taste better to her. I suppose it must. One poster was able to say raw milk tastes better than pasteurised milk even though they only ever drank raw milk.
WRONG!
The government has a duty to protect our God-given rights! They have NO business telling us what we can or can't put in our own bodies. They do not OWN us!0 -
sushi is raw....how often do people die from that? I think to each their own. It's not like I'm eating a live rabbit or chicken. It's just raw milk.
Yeah, the problem comes in when other people want to decide what you can put in your own body. They think they own you.0 -
So everyone who's eaten steak tartar or raw seafood should be dead too. If you doubt the source of your food so much then you shouldn't even eat it, raw or cooked.
Also risky to do. It's like Russian roulette. You might be fine, but there's a significant chance that you could come down with a life threatening disease that's completely preventable by eating fully cooked meat or pasteurized milk.
Anyway, it's rather odd that humans drink milk in the first place. We're the only species that does so past infancy.
LMFAO @ "playing Russian Roulette"
OMG!0
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