Alcohol. How can you resist?!
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"Yes, I've had tests & I have a slightly fatty liver & so me elevated something or other that is an indication of too much booze. One doctor said I had high blood pressure & another said it was fine. My doctor is aware of these results. I'm not scared of eating but I dont consider it a social event & I eat if I'm hungry but I could happily not eat dinner or lunch because it seems like more calories that I dont need. Plus, I get vitamins, fibre etc from supplements so I tend to function ok.
I realise that most of you reading this are fully converted to a hardcore healthy way of life but maybe there are others that need some stimulation other than exercise? Yes, I admit that I drink too much (than recommended guidelines) & I need help, why else would I be here."
Yeah, we're all full on hardcore healthy people here who believe in fuel for the body not supplements instead of food. The damage you're doing to your body is going to catch up with you. Diabetes, heart disease, liver damage, muscle loss, memory loss, headaches, nerve damage, etc etc etc.. You're starving your body and your brain.
How much longer do you think your body going to function this way?0 -
What makes you so sure the body uses alcohol calories first and food calories last? That's not particularly logical. One thing is for sure though- Alcohol has EMPTY calories. There's no nutritional benefit to alcohol at all.
This reminds me of a woman I overheard while having lunch one day. She said, "well, i can either eat lunch or I can drink a 12 pack of light beer, so I'm only going to have a small salad." That is totally ridiculous.
If this is really the way you are living your life and how you're trying to lose weight, you should seek some help (professional help, not MFP). If this is a joke, well, har-har. You got us.
Not sure - I think I read that somewhere. Or maybe it was the other way around. Either way, total calories can get quite high when you add food and alcohol.
Lunch or beer - it's why I don't have lunch on weekends.
I've saught help from my doctor earlier this year. I had antidepressants which I stopped taking after 4 months and Cognitive Behaviour Therapy which was mutually stopped after 4 weeks as the councillor and I agreed it wasn't helping. No other alternatives were suggested so I came here (and a few other websites) to learn how other people 'in similar situations' have coped and increased motivation to exercise. And came to this post in particular to see if there was an alternative to alcohol.0 -
"WOW. Are you kidding?? Crazed AA converts?? You say you lost a friend to AA but you do you have any idea how many friends/family members have been SAVED because of AA? Just because your husband was able to "just quit" doesnt mean that everyone can. Some people do not have that type of control on their own hence why they are in the program to begin with and it takes A LOT of courage to admit you have a problem and allow the program to help you! It saves lives. Please don't discourage anyone who has a drinking problem from approaching it."
Thank you. :-)
Ummm no, I'm not kidding. If you do some research you will see that AA has ZERO effect on keeping people from stopping the drink for life (or at the least going back to drinking in moderation like people who don't NEED to be told what to do by a bunch of verbally abusive and controlling looney-tunes do). ZERO... that means that people have just as much success (or lack thereof) with or without AA. So some people either figure it out and quit or drink in moderation because they figure out that they need to change their needs and wants or NOT. It's that simple. Fact is that anyone in AA just swaps their alcohol addiction for another one. AA is NOT supportive and it does NOT WORK. The people who end up drinking in moderation or decide to quit altogether would have done it without the verbal abuse and degradation of regular AA meetings. Also... if you want to find drugs... go to an AA meeting.
And you are quite welcome. Thanks for stopping by!
PS - I used to think that AA was a positive, necessary support system for people who were at death's door struggling with serious problems. That is, until I did my research... This is just ONE link: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-not_good.html
My research was prompted by watching my dear, kind, once-loving friend evolve into a nasty-verbally abusive and toxic individual once she "found" AA and they got their meat-hooks into her.0 -
He's not talking about a couple of glasses of wine in the evening. He's talking about replacing food with supplements and alcohol. He skips lunch on the weekends to drink beer. He's talking about needing a constant buzz. And it doesn't mean a person is not an alcoholic if they open up about their intake. He already said he has been to the doctor and that his liver is fatty. Which means too much alcohol. Which means he drinks too much and is on the verge of liver disease if he keeps it up. That is a problem.Well like it or not your behavior is equal to a 14 yr old who is rebelling and is always right. You definatly have an addiction to the alchol and the "buzz" it gives you. Now choose to get help or not is up to you, but if you have ever seen anyone die of liver failure its not pretty.
If he's being honest about his intake, then he's probably not addicted. My brother is a recovering alcoholic. He went through a fifth of whiskey a day. The OP is talking about a couple glasses of wine in the evening. BIG difference!
I am glad the OP is being honest. It is also up to him to get the help he obviously needs. Good luck to you OP.0 -
I do drink at least 2 litres of water a day, but theres no buzz from that. Its just to keep my belly full so I dont have to eat.
The thing with exercise though, it doesn't make me feel good. I do it out of necessity not for fun. Not for a buzz. I'm one of these people who don't get this so called release of endorphins which is why I struggle with motivation.
I know that the body uses alcohol calories first & food calories last - which is why I dont eat much. Alcohol DOES make me less bored, thats the beauty of it. But there must be something else that can give you a buzz? (exercise doesn't, no matter how hard I workout).
I've always been dead against drugs but I'm starting to consider getting some legal (prescription) drugs as an alcohol substitute. I would never take illegal drugs, not that legal drugs can be any less addictive.
Clearly, you are an alcoholic and need to seek medical attention.
Edit to say I don't mean that in a nasty way. I have known several alcoholics and it worries me that you are so concerned about keeping a buzz that you're considering abusing prescription drugs. There are some helpful treatment facilities out there. Something to consider. Good luck.0 -
What makes you so sure the body uses alcohol calories first and food calories last? That's not particularly logical. One thing is for sure though- Alcohol has EMPTY calories. There's no nutritional benefit to alcohol at all.
This reminds me of a woman I overheard while having lunch one day. She said, "well, i can either eat lunch or I can drink a 12 pack of light beer, so I'm only going to have a small salad." That is totally ridiculous.
If this is really the way you are living your life and how you're trying to lose weight, you should seek some help (professional help, not MFP). If this is a joke, well, har-har. You got us.
Not sure - I think I read that somewhere. Or maybe it was the other way around. Either way, total calories can get quite high when you add food and alcohol.
Lunch or beer - it's why I don't have lunch on weekends.
I've saught help from my doctor earlier this year. I had antidepressants which I stopped taking after 4 months and Cognitive Behaviour Therapy which was mutually stopped after 4 weeks as the councillor and I agreed it wasn't helping. No other alternatives were suggested so I came here (and a few other websites) to learn how other people 'in similar situations' have coped and increased motivation to exercise. And came to this post in particular to see if there was an alternative to alcohol.
Your body doesn't "use" calories from alcohol before it "uses" calories from food first. It is just that alcohol is pure sugar and quickly enters your bloodstream because there is literally nothing for your body to break down no differently than fruit juice. The difference is that while the sugar content may be the same fruit juice won't cause agglutination: the process by which your blood cells clump up slowing the flow of blood. This causes a lack of oxygen to your brain. Hence, the buzz and subsequent drunkenness. OJ won't make you drunk but if you drink too much, it will make you just as fat as the vodka that the OJ might come in,0 -
I do drink at least 2 litres of water a day, but theres no buzz from that. Its just to keep my belly full so I dont have to eat.
The thing with exercise though, it doesn't make me feel good. I do it out of necessity not for fun. Not for a buzz. I'm one of these people who don't get this so called release of endorphins which is why I struggle with motivation.
I know that the body uses alcohol calories first & food calories last - which is why I dont eat much. Alcohol DOES make me less bored, thats the beauty of it. But there must be something else that can give you a buzz? (exercise doesn't, no matter how hard I workout).
I've always been dead against drugs but I'm starting to consider getting some legal (prescription) drugs as an alcohol substitute. I would never take illegal drugs, not that legal drugs can be any less addictive.
Clearly, you are an alcoholic and need to seek medical attention.
I agree. There must be something missing in this person's life ie effective coping mechanisms to the stresses of life. It would be quite helpful to find a competent mental health care professional, counselor that could guide such an individual to the right path. But stay THE HELL away from AA!!0 -
Talk to your physician about Antabuse.
Antabuse, generic name disulfiram, is used to treat chronic alcoholism. It causes unpleasant effects when even small amounts of alcohol are consumed, including include flushing of the face, headache, nausea, vomiting, chest pain, weakness, blurred vision, mental confusion, sweating, choking, breathing difficulty, and anxiety. These effects begin about 10 minutes after alcohol enters the body and last for 1 hour or more. Disulfiram is not a cure for alcoholism, but discourages drinking.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000726/0 -
You have an addiction. I have one too. Mine is food. The trick is to change what you are addicted to. There is a positive sensation that comes from drinking and you have to replace that and gradually lower your need for that positive boost in order to give it up. Fast cars, sex, roller coasters, scary movies, will all give your system a jolt followed by that since of calm you get from booze. It would be best to step away from the booze for now.0
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I would say TRY your best to cut down as much as you can, gradually try to cut it down to weekends, . One step at a time, there's no point in just deleting it from your life, It could even be harmful strangely enough, alcohol withdrawl can be fatal. You would be more likely to fall back into old habits anyway just like everyone on here preaches about healthy weight loss methods.
Cut down, move more and enjoy what you love in moderation. If you can do this then in the long run you may not have to cut it out completely. You have people you can talk to along the way if it helps. And talking about it and being honest is a great start. Good luck man
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Well like it or not your behavior is equal to a 14 yr old who is rebelling and is always right. You definatly have an addiction to the alchol and the "buzz" it gives you. Now choose to get help or not is up to you, but if you have ever seen anyone die of liver failure its not pretty.
If he's being honest about his intake, then he's probably not addicted. My brother is a recovering alcoholic. He went through a fifth of whiskey a day. The OP is talking about a couple glasses of wine in the evening. BIG difference!0 -
He's not talking about a couple of glasses of wine in the evening. He's talking about replacing food with supplements and alcohol. He skips lunch on the weekends to drink beer. He's talking about needing a constant buzz. And it doesn't mean a person is not an alcoholic if they open up about their intake. He already said he has been to the doctor and that his liver is fatty. Which means too much alcohol. Which means he drinks too much and is on the verge of liver disease if he keeps it up. That is a problem.Well like it or not your behavior is equal to a 14 yr old who is rebelling and is always right. You definatly have an addiction to the alchol and the "buzz" it gives you. Now choose to get help or not is up to you, but if you have ever seen anyone die of liver failure its not pretty.
If he's being honest about his intake, then he's probably not addicted. My brother is a recovering alcoholic. He went through a fifth of whiskey a day. The OP is talking about a couple glasses of wine in the evening. BIG difference!
I am glad the OP is being honest. It is also up to him to get the help he obviously needs. Good luck to you OP.
Thankyou. Tomorrow's goal is to go inside the gym (not just sit in the car park for 10 minutes then go home again, as sometimes happens) and to have no booze in the evening. This is going to be slow progress but I've got to start somewhere.0 -
Anyone who is willing to give up food for alchol is not talking about a couple of glasses of wine at night. I have seen and been assigned as patients many of alcholics. Withdrawl can physically kill you. He needs help.0
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I'm glad I gave up this silly, short-lived habit. It's definitely a reason why I put on some pounds in the first place. I don't understand why people drink alcohol in the first place. oh well.0
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So is there an alternative to alcohol? Something perhaps stimulating but not so calorific? I'm sure most evenings I drink 'cos I'm bored but deep down I know I'd rather not be drinking. I'll have maybe 1 booze free day a week but usually weekends are all dayers so large quantities are consumed. So what can give you a buzz that isn't alcohol?
Crack.0 -
The OP explained his problem and asked for suggestions for an issue that doesn't seem quite healthy (admitting he drinks more calories than he eats, drug seeking behavior) on a board about fitness and health.
The OP was given honest advice and suggestions. Addiction was brought up, he says noooo I'm not addicted, I'M JUST BORED. He whined and made excuses, accusing everyone of being health freak fitness nuts that didn't understand (when most of us are furthest from that). That's what I'm holy crapping about. Small children whine when they are bored. This guy is 37. I honestly thought when I clicked on his profile, that I was going to see the profile of a kid. If you have an addiction and want to change, then perhaps you need help. If you don't want to admit that you have a problem and you're "just bored" then I stand by my original suggestion of getting a hobby. Which is a nice way of saying get a life. Or grow the heck up.
I really need to stay out of stuff like this.
Haven't you ever heard that admitting is the hardest step? Do you know how many people live in denial because they're afraid to admit they have a problem? It's NOT whining, and if there is an addiction, then getting a hobby or a life or whatever other stupid suggestion you come up with is NOT going to help the problem one bit. The only thing I agree with you on is that you need to stay out of stuff like this.0 -
I love alcohol. Especially after a bad day at work. If my bf is visiting, that's when I tend to have more than one drink. I'm not addicted, the stuff just tastes good and helps take the edge off. So yeah, I drink socially. If I start drinking alone all the time, then I'll really have a problem.0
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^^^^THIS!0
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When I was very much younger and also got my driving license I found an interesting thing. If I started a social evening with an alcoholic drink and then switched to soft drinks that seemed enough to relax me and enable me to have a good time with friends who were getting quite drunk and it was almost like I was drunk too until we stepped outside where I found I could "snap out of it" and be sober enough to drive while they were plainly still drunk. For me this seemed like the best of both worlds - let your inhibitions go with some good friends and have fun, not have to pay for a taxi home and avoid the hangover the next morning.
After this discovery that is what I would normally do on a social evening - I almost never got drunk and still had fun. I did develop a taste for some drinks and would sometimes treat myself to a single malt or a beer in the evening even on some of days I didn't go out to socialise and so I continued for over 20 years, all the time pretty much staying within the UK government safe drinking limits.
During that 20 years I met my partner and we have two young children and then suddenly I had to go to hospital with excruciating pain on more than one occasion and stay there as an inpatient for several weeks. Although in my case this was not a classic drinker's problem (i.e. not any form of liver disease or stomach ulcers) and I was not drinking enough to cause such a problem I was advised by my consultant that I should avoid alcohol to avoid a recurrence so that is what I have done. I enjoy time with my partner and children too much to want to risk spending my time in hospital instead.
Having made that decision I find it easy to avoid alcohol. Occasionally I see an advert or spot the hand pumps in a pub and reminisce and there is a slight temptation but one I find easy to resist. I still socialise with friends and still enjoy it.
It is up to you if you want to replace the buzz you get from alcohol with something else whether that be a high adrenaline sport, roller coaster rides or standing on the stage somewhere but with anything like the effect only lasts so long and then it is over. For me genuine happiness comes from the love of my partner and our children, from my friends and in the form of satisfaction and respect in my job and some other voluntary activities I am involved in.0 -
I quit my friends. The drinking went along with them. I learned that having fun didn't have to involve and smoky bar and a bud light. It's amazing how many things there are to do out there. I found that finding things to do and then having a couple drinks was far more fun than going out specifically to drink.0
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Sorry if this is not quite 'food & nutrition' but it kind of is in my mind. Without doubt, my biggest downfall is alcohol. I dont really eat much but I reckon about half of my calorie intake comes from booze.
I take supplements for things like fibre, protein, vitamins etc and if there was a magic 'meal in a pill' I'd take it rather than having to eat actual food! Needless to say, if I stopped drinking then I'd probably lose some weight but I'd rather be able to drink & go to the gym to cancel each other out (in calorific terms at least).
So is there an alternative to alcohol? Something perhaps stimulating but not so calorific? I'm sure most evenings I drink 'cos I'm bored but deep down I know I'd rather not be drinking. I'll have maybe 1 booze free day a week but usually weekends are all dayers so large quantities are consumed. So what can give you a buzz that isn't alcohol?
Why avoid it? Just work it into your diet. Calories are calories. Just burn them up.
Alcohol is about the last thing I plan on giving up. If I have to stop living in the name of healthy eating I choose NO to healthy eating.
Aren't beer and BBQ the proper combo?0 -
^^^^THIS!
If this is directed at me, thank you. 0 -
This makes a lot of sense. Thankyou. Though to get rid of an unnatrual high, does that mean there are natural highs? (bearing in mind I dont seem to produce endorphins from things like exercise, sport etc.)
You're right though, I would like to drink less but I dont plan my day around it.
Take today for example. Had the day off work & my plan was to go to the gym & maybe do sone tidying in the garden. Instead, I read stuff on the internet, did some washing then went for a 30 minute walk (to the pub), had 3 beers, bought some food to cook for dinner then walked back. And here I am. So this was more of a spontaneous beer than a planned beer.
However.....I'm not going to have any booze at home tonight & I may trudge my way though to Thursday without any. One step at a time......
You're very welcome, and I wish you luck! It might take time, but believe in yourself. If you have a day where you stumble, just keep on going. As for the planning your day around it, I see what you mean. A lot of it is spontaneous, I'm sure, but you still expect it to happen, right? You even went out of your way to walk to a pub today. I'm not pointing fingers at you or anything, I'm just saying... sometimes we do things out of habit and don't realize it, and in a way that's planning, since you expect it to be in your day and, subconsciously (or not), make it happen.
Natural highs though... I would say, find something you love and become passionate about it. Something interactive, something you can read up about, something you can spend time with and invest into. Maybe volunteer. Do sports, if you can after your injury. Take up running — I know you said you don't enjoy it right now, but how good are you at it? If you get better, you'll probably like it more, but that can take some time. I'm not there yet either, but I slowly feel it coming on. What about things like biking? Hiking? Camping? Amusement parks? Find something you've always wanted to try, and give it a go. A little passion for something new is a great thing, and who knows what'll happen?
Again, good luck.
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There is a great forum you can join in called Hello Sunday Morning where all of the posters are trying not to drink alcohol and tell there stories. Similar to here but we are trying to lose weight. It's worth a look. Good luck!0
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There are some good substitutes for alcohol out there - Becks Blue Beer is pretty good or try mixing sparkling water with a nice organic cordial.
I haven't drunk alcohol for quite a few years now but understand what you mean by feeling bored. In my experience giving up opened up a whole new range of experiences that meant that I wasn't bored for long.0 -
Thanks for asking such a serious question and being so honest about your feelings.
As patty 139 says, there are a few people out there asking the same questions and perhaps there are some answers in the "Hello Sunday Morning " group.0 -
I'm 30 days sober today. It's possible. I used to be like you. I couldn't imagine. And the social pressure. I just say no and carry on. You don't need a buzz, you just think you do. I feel better than I have in the past 30 years. I feel clear of mind, never groggy, more energy than you can believe, it's amazing. Nothing beats the kind of buzz I have now. I now view alcohol as poison. You don't see it now and probably think that ridiculous, but it's amazing how your perspective can change.
Next time someone offers a beer or booze, just say no thanks, but hang out and chat.
I fel 100 smarter right now, quicker with wit, able to hold conversations. But, I also don't sit around for 4 hours doing nothing. That is what you do when you drink.0 -
"WOW. Are you kidding?? Crazed AA converts?? You say you lost a friend to AA but you do you have any idea how many friends/family members have been SAVED because of AA? Just because your husband was able to "just quit" doesnt mean that everyone can. Some people do not have that type of control on their own hence why they are in the program to begin with and it takes A LOT of courage to admit you have a problem and allow the program to help you! It saves lives. Please don't discourage anyone who has a drinking problem from approaching it."
Thank you. :-)
Ummm no, I'm not kidding. If you do some research you will see that AA has ZERO effect on keeping people from stopping the drink for life (or at the least going back to drinking in moderation like people who don't NEED to be told what to do by a bunch of verbally abusive and controlling looney-tunes do). ZERO... that means that people have just as much success (or lack thereof) with or without AA. So some people either figure it out and quit or drink in moderation because they figure out that they need to change their needs and wants or NOT. It's that simple. Fact is that anyone in AA just swaps their alcohol addiction for another one. AA is NOT supportive and it does NOT WORK. The people who end up drinking in moderation or decide to quit altogether would have done it without the verbal abuse and degradation of regular AA meetings. Also... if you want to find drugs... go to an AA meeting.
And you are quite welcome. Thanks for stopping by!
PS - I used to think that AA was a positive, necessary support system for people who were at death's door struggling with serious problems. That is, until I did my research... This is just ONE link: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-not_good.html
My research was prompted by watching my dear, kind, once-loving friend evolve into a nasty-verbally abusive and toxic individual once she "found" AA and they got their meat-hooks into her.
Have you ever been to an AA meeting? Maybe you should go to one and see if what you are reading is the norm on an aberration. I've been sober in AA for coming up on 5 years and I have seen NONE of the antics that you describe. It is a positive, loving, caring environment. What you found in your friend was probably that, once the alcohol was removed, her character defects had nothing to mask them any longer. Some are sicker than others.
AA works for millions of people around the world. I don't know how or from where you draw your conclusions, but you are just dead wrong. Period.0 -
"WOW. Are you kidding?? Crazed AA converts?? You say you lost a friend to AA but you do you have any idea how many friends/family members have been SAVED because of AA? Just because your husband was able to "just quit" doesnt mean that everyone can. Some people do not have that type of control on their own hence why they are in the program to begin with and it takes A LOT of courage to admit you have a problem and allow the program to help you! It saves lives. Please don't discourage anyone who has a drinking problem from approaching it."
Thank you. :-)
Ummm no, I'm not kidding. If you do some research you will see that AA has ZERO effect on keeping people from stopping the drink for life (or at the least going back to drinking in moderation like people who don't NEED to be told what to do by a bunch of verbally abusive and controlling looney-tunes do). ZERO... that means that people have just as much success (or lack thereof) with or without AA. So some people either figure it out and quit or drink in moderation because they figure out that they need to change their needs and wants or NOT. It's that simple. Fact is that anyone in AA just swaps their alcohol addiction for another one. AA is NOT supportive and it does NOT WORK. The people who end up drinking in moderation or decide to quit altogether would have done it without the verbal abuse and degradation of regular AA meetings. Also... if you want to find drugs... go to an AA meeting.
And you are quite welcome. Thanks for stopping by!
PS - I used to think that AA was a positive, necessary support system for people who were at death's door struggling with serious problems. That is, until I did my research... This is just ONE link: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-not_good.html
My research was prompted by watching my dear, kind, once-loving friend evolve into a nasty-verbally abusive and toxic individual once she "found" AA and they got their meat-hooks into her.
Have you ever been to an AA meeting? Maybe you should go to one and see if what you are reading is the norm on an aberration. I've been sober in AA for coming up on 5 years and I have seen NONE of the antics that you describe. It is a positive, loving, caring environment. What you found in your friend was probably that, once the alcohol was removed, her character defects had nothing to mask them any longer. Some are sicker than others.
AA works for millions of people around the world. I don't know how or from where you draw your conclusions, but you are just dead wrong. Period.
Totally agree. Saying that AA is bad is just absolutely ridiculous. The fact you know one person who the program did not work for means absolutely nothing. I know many people whose lives have been SAVED fully or partially by AA and they are far from "nasty-verbally abusive and toxic individuals". You could actually use those words to describe someone BEFORE they found AA. Do a little more research than one random website, and do not pass judgment based upon one person's experience.0 -
I was told something once about quitting smoking. That your brain craves nicotine for about 10 min. If you can get past the 10 min it the craving will go away (at least for a while). I don't know if that applies to alcohol too, but when my brain says "just go in the kitchen and make a drink" I try to ignore it and do laundry or something.
I've been trying to cut back on drinking during the week. I only have 1 or 2 a night but that's 200 extra calories! I'll think about it (like on my drive home) and make up an excuse for why I could just make one drink, or I just say *kitten* it and don't even bother with an excuse. But if I wait about 10 min or so the craving goes away and I'm distracted by something else.
I don't particularly like exercise either, but I do like the feeling when I'm done with it and seeing progress from all the hard work. Plus it cuts into my drinking time But it really does make a HUGE difference if you can find something you like so much you don't consider it exercise.
Also go to bed earlier if you aren't already. That'll cut into your drinking time too. It's all about breaking up those habits. If you pour a drink the minute you get home from work, try to push that back until after dinner or something. Then you won't have time drink as many as you were.
There are days where I literally tell myself over and over and over "you will go to the gym/workout tonight". Otherwise I'll have some stupid excuse not to. Like "it's too hot out" (when I'm going to an indoor gym).
It's up to you to decide "if" you have a problem. I'm sure you expected some of the more "over the top" responses. But I think you've received some good advice interspersed with the dramatic postings.0
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