STOP EATING AND DRINKING FAT FREE DAIRY! PLEASE READ
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Since cow milk is so bad, maybe we SHOULD switch to human?
We could contract women after they give birth to come into localized centers for pumping. If they keep getting pumped, they'll keep producing milk long after they drop out their baby. The milk would cost more, but think about all the benefits of switching to human milk as opposed to cow? And what about the social benefits???
"Are you an unwed mother who just dropped out a baby? Do you need income today? Come in to HMFBT - Human Milk For a Better Tomorrow and donate today. 10$ a gallon for your troubles."
That is plenty of supplemental income!
It will be costly, but we need a way to get the food supply into the factory. Also, we need to pump it onsite because if we send home pumping systems, people will water it down. We can't have that.
I foresee this being the trend of the future now that we know cow milk is evil.
Think of all those mothers out there, ready to donate. I'm sure they could keep donating for years after they give birth if they are pumped regularly. We could even export it to foreign countries. This could revolutionize our country.
In fact, it could be the jumpstart our country needs.
Before, there was war.
Then there was gold.
Then there was black gold.
Now... is the time for white gold.
"Human milk. Because you're human, not a cow."
You joke, but there's a place in London that sells breast-milk ice-cream... or at least there was, don't know if it's still there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/25/human-milk-ice-cream-sale
so.... you're down for being business partners?
I'm in if I can be in charge of working the pumps! LOL0 -
so are any of you currently producing?
we need to get on this before someone else capitalizes from it.
The trick is setting up a massive infrastructure immediately so we can meet the demands of local markets nationally.
We'll be the IPOD of dairy.0 -
Here is what I got out of the link:
Go buy a cow and let it roam and eat grass and get up and milk it daily.
works for me! wish I could afford a farm with room for a cow to roam.!0 -
Since cow milk is so bad, maybe we SHOULD switch to human?
We could contract women after they give birth to come into localized centers for pumping. If they keep getting pumped, they'll keep producing milk long after they drop out their baby. The milk would cost more, but think about all the benefits of switching to human milk as opposed to cow? And what about the social benefits???
"Are you an unwed mother who just dropped out a baby? Do you need income today? Come in to HMFBT - Human Milk For a Better Tomorrow and donate today. 10$ a gallon for your troubles."
That is plenty of supplemental income!
It will be costly, but we need a way to get the food supply into the factory. Also, we need to pump it onsite because if we send home pumping systems, people will water it down. We can't have that.
I foresee this being the trend of the future now that we know cow milk is evil.
Think of all those mothers out there, ready to donate. I'm sure they could keep donating for years after they give birth if they are pumped regularly. We could even export it to foreign countries. This could revolutionize our country.
In fact, it could be the jumpstart our country needs.
Before, there was war.
Then there was gold.
Then there was black gold.
Now... is the time for white gold.
"Human milk. Because you're human, not a cow."
You joke, but there's a place in London that sells breast-milk ice-cream... or at least there was, don't know if it's still there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/25/human-milk-ice-cream-sale
so.... you're down for being business partners?
I'm in if I can be in charge of working the pumps! LOL
sure thing. but your pay will be commensorate with your task.
I will be in charge of deployment, infrastructure, and growth.0 -
so are any of you currently producing?
we need to get on this before someone else capitalizes from it.
The trick is setting up a massive infrastructure immediately so we can meet the demands of local markets nationally.
We'll be the IPOD of dairy.
Nationally? Internationally my friend. Less of this small thinking please.0 -
Since cow milk is so bad, maybe we SHOULD switch to human?
We could contract women after they give birth to come into localized centers for pumping. If they keep getting pumped, they'll keep producing milk long after they drop out their baby. The milk would cost more, but think about all the benefits of switching to human milk as opposed to cow? And what about the social benefits???
"Are you an unwed mother who just dropped out a baby? Do you need income today? Come in to HMFBT - Human Milk For a Better Tomorrow and donate today. 10$ a gallon for your troubles."
That is plenty of supplemental income!
It will be costly, but we need a way to get the food supply into the factory. Also, we need to pump it onsite because if we send home pumping systems, people will water it down. We can't have that.
I foresee this being the trend of the future now that we know cow milk is evil.
Think of all those mothers out there, ready to donate. I'm sure they could keep donating for years after they give birth if they are pumped regularly. We could even export it to foreign countries. This could revolutionize our country.
In fact, it could be the jumpstart our country needs.
Before, there was war.
Then there was gold.
Then there was black gold.
Now... is the time for white gold.
"Human milk. Because you're human, not a cow."
You joke, but there's a place in London that sells breast-milk ice-cream... or at least there was, don't know if it's still there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/25/human-milk-ice-cream-sale
so.... you're down for being business partners?
I'm in if I can be in charge of working the pumps! LOL
sure thing. but your pay will be commensorate with your task.
I will be in charge of deployment, infrastructure, and growth.
So in other words, I'll be working for free cause of all the boobie fun I'll be having??0 -
doesnt matter to me, because I drink unsweetened almond milk. And I'm not giving up my plain nonfat yogurt anytime soon lol0
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I love skim milk. I'm not going to stop drinking it.0
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so are any of you currently producing?
we need to get on this before someone else capitalizes from it.
The trick is setting up a massive infrastructure immediately so we can meet the demands of local markets nationally.
We'll be the IPOD of dairy.
Nationally? Internationally my friend. Less of this small thinking please.
Obviously internationally. But we need to establish a national market and dedicated consumer base.
Expanding too fast depletes capital and leaves you open to failure.
Go pump some boobs and leave the big decisions to me.0 -
...I do wish people wouldn't post so much unsubstantiated rubbish. Some people will read this sort of thing and take it on board. My advice would be if there are no real studies referenced take it with a pinch of salt (or not cos we all know salt is bad for you!)
It's amazing the number of people on here thanking the OP for such great info. and planning on immediately switching their family to whole milk based on this thread. If made changes based on everything I saw or heard on the internet, my head would be spinning. I'd never make it to the checkstand from going back and forth picking up and dropping off items...:laugh:
Seems to me there are many more taking the opposite stance, and berating OP for posting.0 -
"4. It’s provides almost no nutritional value."
Lost all credibility for this grammar nut.0 -
Isn't this an argument against all commercially-produced milk moreso than it is skim specifically?
I can't afford to switch to "real" farm-raised milk, so I'll keep saving the calories, personally.0 -
I question the credibility of this article. Just looks like someone's random blog, and a lot of the points are so ridiculous. Take "3. It contains antibiotics, nasty bodily fluids, and GMOs"
Guess what, so do many of the other animal products you eat, fat free or not.0 -
ERMAHGERD!0
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I'm definitely not going to stop drinking fat free dairy. For one, I hate the consistency of higher fat content in milk. I've tried almond and soy milks and while I don't mind them in hot beverages, either one of them with cereal or to drink while eating something sweet makes me gag. Really. So give me a cookie, I'm reaching for that lovely jug of skim milk in my fridge and no alarmist post (which, really, is one of many about the same subject) is going to make me stop.
This. Hate the taste of full-fat milk. I still eat whole-fat cheeses on occasion. To each their own.0 -
Fezzes are cool.
6: Well, that's nice. Nor will watching Dr Who. But I still watch Dr Who because I like it.
Same here. I could watch it all day!
Bow ties are cool.0 -
I agree that fat-free stuff is gimmicky. Skim milk is too watery for... anything useful. I love coconut milk, and full-fat cheeses.
Gimmicky? I started drinking skim milk in my early teens (early 1980s, my mother was buying it) and realized how much I hated the taste of full-fat milk. A "gimmick" that's been around for approximately 30 years?
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Many of the "facts" in the article are incorrect. It is, at best, misleading.0
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This is certainly not the first article I have seen that suggests current ideas about cholesterol and saturated fat being bad for us are based on bad science and some of the other ones are based on the results of named studies with much better reasoning than this rather alarmist article.
For the claim that skimmed milk is more fattening than full fat I'd need to know more. Sure there is a kind of sugar in milk (lactose) and it has been suggested that sugar is more fattening than it's calorie count suggests but even if you believe that you will still be taking in that lactose in full fat milk. Of course, if you compensate by drinking more skimmed milk either because your calorie count says you can or because it doesn't produce satiety in the same way this may happen but then that's hardly a valid comparison. To be sure of this would need a study.
That skimmed milk was considered a waste product of cream production does not, of itself, make it bad for you. This is just a reflection of fashion and demand.
Some of the rest of the article is a criticism of the standards of dairy farming rather than skimmed milk itself and doubtless applies to full fat milk too if bought from a high volume producer.0 -
Yes, your body does need fats to function at it's healthiest but this article is pretty much rubbish. First of all, the claim that there is no scientific basis for the claim that saturated fat intake and heart disease have a correlation is ridiculous. I mean, really talk to a number of doctors and do some research in to medical journals and see if there really is no basis for the claim. By the way, the claim is that a high consumption of saturated fats MAY contribute to heart disease, not that it totally, definitely does. Big difference. Secondly, the claim that nobody suffered from "heart attacks around the turn of the century when everyone was still eating pounds of butter and cream every week." is simply false. While it is true that heart disease was not as prevalent as it is today, it is not to do only with diet (which also used to be more healthful as fatty foods used to be expensive enough that only wealthier people could afford it), but lifestyle-- before advent and widespread use of machinery, people had to perform a lot of manual labor (farm work, cleaning, getting water, etc.). And as for the nasty body fluids, antibiotics, and GMOs, those are found in ALL milk whether it's whole milk or skim so that really shouldn't be a factor in deciding what type of milk to drink. As to the point of skim milk not making you skinny, of course it doesn't! No drink makes you skinny and it's not meant to! If you lead a sedentary lifestyle and eat a high volume of food (especially food that has little or no nutritional value) then you'll still be fat. That's like thinking ordering a diet coke with your Big Mac and super sized fries is going to make you skinny. This is a very poorly researched article.0
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Yes, those are tiger cubs. Drinking pig's milk.
awww their sooo cute!!! i just wanna eat them up their so cute 0 -
I'd rather have a 1/2 cup of good whole fat raw milk than a gallon of skim milk!0
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Just an added note. If you google dairy and female INFERTILITY you will find a good research article on how women should have 1 cup of FULL fat dairy product a day. Your hormones are negatively affected if you don't get this in.
interesting food for thought.
I personally have been drinking skim to cut calories, but once down to where i want to be, I will resume a organic little whole milk for hormonal balance.0 -
I question the credibility of this article. Just looks like someone's random blog, and a lot of the points are so ridiculous. Take "3. It contains antibiotics, nasty bodily fluids, and GMOs"
Guess what, so do many of the other animal products you eat, fat free or not.
I would think that too. I just don't know, though, if some of those substances are fat-soluble and therefore concentrated in the butterfat in the milk.0 -
Fezzes are cool.
6: Well, that's nice. Nor will watching Dr Who. But I still watch Dr Who because I like it.
Same here. I could watch it all day! Bow ties are cool.
and stetsons... :bigsmile:0 -
Oh, but I am certain we could find opposing articles touting the excellence of skim. Higher in calcium after all (because it is added, but whatever). I personally am pleased to read they found a way to utilize what used to be waste. If we are going to use the animal, best to use as much as is viable.0
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I can only drink 2% milk, sadly when I was young, my body basically would bloat up from anything else as far as 1%, skim, and whole. But i don't even drink it that often. Cheese though, i eat it once a week if that.0
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None of the points made are relevant to me.
So no, despite your shouting, I will continue to keep drinking skimmed milk.
For a start, I prefer the taste these days.
If I'm going to have fat, I'll have it from a source I enjoy more.
From the points in the article:
1: Absolutely irrelevant as a reason to not drink or drink it.
2+3: It comes out of the orifice of a live animal. I bet it's got a hell of a lot of ingredients I don't know about. Nature has as many 'nasty' things as human lab-created chemicals.
4: Nor does water. Milk is much higher in protein and is tastier on my cereal.
5: Lost over 50lb so far. Seems to be working. I have many times yo-yo dieted. The reasons for putting weight on have not been related to food but other issues in my life. In some cases I have already been overweight and started eating a lot more bad stuff too. It's not to do with my weight at the time, but what's going on in my life.
6: Well, that's nice. Nor will watching Dr Who. But I still watch Dr Who because I like it.
AGREED! AGREED! AND AGREED SOME MORE! Thanks for this post!0 -
Full fat eh? Good way to get diabetes!!!
Sugar gives you diabetes not fat. They add sugar to many fat free items for flavor.0 -
I love raw organic dairy products, but if that is all I ate it's too many calories. So I balance it out on occasion with a limited amount of fat free yogurt and cheese only. When I was 100% organic fanatic I was obese. It is equally unhealthy for me to be obese and I had worse heath problems even though I ate all organic. I soaked all my own grains, made my own cheese and whey, milled my own grains, used only raw dairy, fermented my own kombucha and sauerkraut, and the list goes on. But I was obese. Too many calories is too many calories no matter how "clean". All "clean" won't help you lose weight, although I agree the food is better and mostly more fattening.
So I figure a few "bad" items to keep me sane and keep my calories in check is a trade off to being obese. When you are as small as I am you just don't get to have a very big calorie budget, even when maintaining.
Everything is a trade off.0
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