Would I classify ____________ as water?
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I dont bother logging any liquids anymore. I just drink what I want and not care0
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water is water is water.
if its not water, then why would you log it as water?
can i log a full rack of ribs as grilled chicken? they're both meat.
Hydration has nothing to do with calorie counting, but thanks for playing along.
you're missing the point.
logging water has everything to do with logging water. not logging something that isn't water.
No, I think it is you who misses the whole point of logging water. It obviously has no calories, therefore the point is hydration...items that contain calories obviously should be counted towards your calorie goals...which has NOTHING to do with the water ticker, designed to ensure a good level of hydration.0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.0 -
I classify water as water. I know other things hold water, but it just doesn't seem right to classify anything else as water BUT water. Teas and Coffees are tracked as teas and coffees in my diary.
I agree, that is what I was confused about.. I understand hydration and other things hydrate but I thought people were asking if they could just log it on their ticker as water. Silly me.0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
Any reliable sources to back that statement up? Just curious.0 -
I dont bother logging any liquids anymore. I just drink what I want and not care
Me too, I never track liquids.0 -
You should really only consider h2O as water.0
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OKay well I looked and didn't see "taking out the garbage" under the strength exercises, but I'm betting I burned close to 200 calories, so I'm going to log that. Also, I over microwaved my chicken just now and had to push down really hard on the knife to cut it, so there's another 100 cals burned right there.So you're saying that I can count taking out the garage as exercise now too?
No, carrying a garage is strength training <snare drum>0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
Science says otherwise. Believe what you'd like.0 -
This seriously made me LOL.I just ate two boxes of Raisinettes. Logged it as water.
i just drove back to work from my lunch break. logged it as water.0 -
I'm new here, but when I see the words "Water Consumption", I assume you are only supposed to put how much WATER you drank that day. But who know's maybe I'm just stupid.0
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If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.0 -
I'm new here, but when I see the words "Water Consumption", I assume you are only supposed to put how much WATER you drank that day. But who know's maybe I'm just stupid.
Maybe we are just thinking to deep into it? lol I tend to over analyze0 -
OKay well I looked and didn't see "taking out the garbage" under the strength exercises, but I'm betting I burned close to 200 calories, so I'm going to log that. Also, I over microwaved my chicken just now and had to push down really hard on the knife to cut it, so there's another 100 cals burned right there.So you're saying that I can count taking out the garage as exercise now too?
No, carrying a garage is strength training <snare drum>
Sorry, I was making a joke based on the fact that you typed "garage" instead of "garbage".
What counts as exercise is a whole other thing, and causes just as much judgement and angst as the whole "should I log g 99.9% pure water (also known as "coffee") as 99.99% pure water (also known as "tap water")"? issue.
The net answer for both is: Whatever works for you. Your water does not have to be laboratory-pure in order to count toward bodily hydration, and your exercise does not have to involve a gym membership and $400 sneakers to count as exercise, as long as you are being realistic about whether the exercise you are counting is already accounted for in your lifestyle, and whether the calories burned are being calculated somewhat accurately.0 -
You should really only consider h2O as water.
Unless the point is just adequate hydration and not making the MFP virtual water glass spill.
But whether or not you choose to fill your virtual water glass with just water or watermelon, I sincerely do not care. Me? I'll continue not to track either water or watery foods.0 -
LMAO! I didn't even notice that I typed garage instead of garbage!! That's hilarious! And thanks for the long explaination about logging, however, I must tell you I was being 100% sarcastic. Isn't that what the forums are for?
OKay well I looked and didn't see "taking out the garbage" under the strength exercises, but I'm betting I burned close to 200 calories, so I'm going to log that. Also, I over microwaved my chicken just now and had to push down really hard on the knife to cut it, so there's another 100 cals burned right there.So you're saying that I can count taking out the garage as exercise now too?
No, carrying a garage is strength training <snare drum>
Sorry, I was making a joke based on the fact that you typed "garage" instead of "garbage".
What counts as exercise is a whole other thing, and causes just as much judgement and angst as the whole "should I log g 99.9% pure water (also known as "coffee") as 99.99% pure water (also known as "tap water")"? issue.
The net answer for both is: Whatever works for you. Your water does not have to be laboratory-pure in order to count toward bodily hydration, and your exercise does not have to involve a gym membership and $400 sneakers to count as exercise, as long as you are being realistic about whether the exercise you are counting is already accounted for in your lifestyle, and whether the calories burned are being calculated somewhat accurately.0 -
Then, of course, after all the angst, judgement, and people calling each other stupid for logging incorrect things, there's the real question. One that is far more important than "did I make the little virtual cup on the MFP home page spill over?"
And that question is: Am I properly hydrating my body?
The best way to answer that is very simple. When you pee, check the color.
- Clear to pale yellow = no matter what you are doing, no matter what you are counting, your body is well-hydrated. Keep doing what you are doing.
- Bright yellow = think about adding a glass of something made at least mostly of water (or pure water, if you prefer) to your daily regimen, check back tomorrow.
- Cloudy, moderate yellow, etc = drink a few extra glasses of water today, check tomorrow, if it's not cleared up to pale yellow in a few days of increasing water intake, see your doctor.
- brownish or reddish = cut back on the fresh beets.
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And thanks for the long explaination about logging, however, I must tell you I was being 100% sarcastic. Isn't that what the forums are for?
Unless you have a stunted sense of humor like I do. (grin) :flowerforyou:0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.
If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.
Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU002830 -
Some more you might find interesting:If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.
If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.
Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283
http://www.jacn.org/content/22/2/165.short
http://www.jacn.org/content/19/5/591.short
http://bjsportmed.com/content/40/5/406.abstract (sports drinks might actually be more effective than plain water)
http://www.jacn.org/content/26/suppl_5/592S.short (food counts too)
About the effect of caffeine:
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/12187618/
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/128345770 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
Looks like a bunch of folks answered the question. You responded to a prior post as wrong. Well, if you look at all the studies, they were not wrong, unless you would like to provide some actual reputable sources that says otherwise.
How about you call the mayo clinic and call them utterly ridiculous and stupid?0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
We all know if you don't log it as water, your body will surely not use the water content to hydrate itself...right? :huh:0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.
If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.
Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283
yes, i am aware that everything a patient ingests is logged.
if you want to use your "water tracker" as a "fluids tracker" instead, by all means go right ahead. but if it was mfp's intent to have its participants be concerned only with how much fluid they're ingesting rather than how much water they're ingesting, wouldn't you think that would be evident?
this is a diet and fitness website, not a hospital. if you want to log something that isn't water as water, then that's your choice. but as someone else on here already said, its usually those people that then complain that they're not getting the results they want.0 -
if you log your coffee or diet coke as water, then i'm logging vodka as water.
only fair.
And....time for the obtuse 'funny' comments.
I like to think of my type of humor as being acute. (But it still isn't right.)
I love oblique references to math!0 -
if you want to use your "water tracker" as a "fluids tracker" instead, by all means go right ahead. but if it was mfp's intent to have its participants be concerned only with how much fluid they're ingesting rather than how much water they're ingesting, wouldn't you think that would be evident?
Water trackers are there to assist in reaching proper hydration. As someone who works for the health care industry, I'd think you at least would find that self-evident, and tend to use it in the same way you use similar logs with your patients at work, or at least accept that others might use it in a similar manner.
If someone is not getting the results they want, fine. But calling other people "WRONG", "foolish", "stupid" and the other various judgemental comments you've made about others who are staying hydrated quite successfully is simply not helpful. If it's used as a hydration tracker, it's being used by people to further a healthy lifestyle. Being nasty and snarky because you feel that a water tracker is for a very specific (and honestly useless!) purpose just makes you look nasty and snarky.0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.
If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.
Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283
yes, i am aware that everything a patient ingests is logged.
if you want to use your "water tracker" as a "fluids tracker" instead, by all means go right ahead. but if it was mfp's intent to have its participants be concerned only with how much fluid they're ingesting rather than how much water they're ingesting, wouldn't you think that would be evident?
this is a diet and fitness website, not a hospital. if you want to log something that isn't water as water, then that's your choice. but as someone else on here already said, its usually those people that then complain that they're not getting the results they want.
I think you were the one that first mentioned the healthcare industry as a reference to back up your point, hence my comment about hospitals.
You also asked for the Mayo clinic reference regarding counting counting other fluids as water which I provided for you. I'm still waiting for a reference to your statement that other liquids don't hydrate as well as water.
Liquids that contain water can be counted as water whether for general fitness and health or for sick patients.
Count whatever makes you happy for water. My point is that if contains water, your body counts it as water.0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.
If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.
Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283
yes, i am aware that everything a patient ingests is logged.
if you want to use your "water tracker" as a "fluids tracker" instead, by all means go right ahead. but if it was mfp's intent to have its participants be concerned only with how much fluid they're ingesting rather than how much water they're ingesting, wouldn't you think that would be evident?
this is a diet and fitness website, not a hospital. if you want to log something that isn't water as water, then that's your choice. but as someone else on here already said, its usually those people that then complain that they're not getting the results they want.
I think you were the one that first mentioned the healthcare industry as a reference to back up your point, hence my comment about hospitals.
You also asked for the Mayo clinic reference regarding counting counting other fluids as water which I provided for you. I'm still waiting for a reference to your statement that other liquids don't hydrate as well as water.
Liquids that contain water can be counted as water whether for general fitness and health or for sick patients.
Count whatever makes you happy for water. My point is that if contains water, your body counts it as water.
no, i wasn't. it was someone who started throwing the words "Mayo Clinic" around that started that.
and as i've said, if you want to use your water tracker as a fluids tracker instead, then fine! my whole point was that logging EVERYTHING towards water, be it soup/coffee/tea/soda, is most likely not going to give you the hydration you're needing if you're counting each 8 oz as 8 oz of "water". even the Mayo Clinic, in their all mighty powerful article that so many people have thrown around on here, clearly state that. if you're not drinking any water, yet think you're reaching your 8x8 through soup/coffee/soda/milk, then you're sadly mistaken.0 -
I would just like to add......I am by day a chemical engineer who specializes in high-purity water treatment. The stuff used for electronics manufacturing and power plant high-pressure boilers. Nothing that you drink is pure water. It's not even close. If you really drank 8-glasses of high purity water a day you would get diarrhea from it. High purity water is unstable, and needs the "contamination" of various salts and minerals to make it safe to drink.
So all you water purists, guess what? Your water isn't THAT much more pure than other liquids.
Just sayin'.
(P.S. I feel like a massive douche for dropping credentials, but so be it.)0 -
If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.
WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".
How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.
i would like to see your links to reference.
i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.
if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.
if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.
If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.
If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.
Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283
yes, i am aware that everything a patient ingests is logged.
if you want to use your "water tracker" as a "fluids tracker" instead, by all means go right ahead. but if it was mfp's intent to have its participants be concerned only with how much fluid they're ingesting rather than how much water they're ingesting, wouldn't you think that would be evident?
this is a diet and fitness website, not a hospital. if you want to log something that isn't water as water, then that's your choice. but as someone else on here already said, its usually those people that then complain that they're not getting the results they want.
I think you were the one that first mentioned the healthcare industry as a reference to back up your point, hence my comment about hospitals.
You also asked for the Mayo clinic reference regarding counting counting other fluids as water which I provided for you. I'm still waiting for a reference to your statement that other liquids don't hydrate as well as water.
Liquids that contain water can be counted as water whether for general fitness and health or for sick patients.
Count whatever makes you happy for water. My point is that if contains water, your body counts it as water.
no, i wasn't. it was someone who started throwing the words "Mayo Clinic" around that started that.
and as i've said, if you want to use your water tracker as a fluids tracker instead, then fine! my whole point was that logging EVERYTHING towards water, be it soup/coffee/tea/soda, is most likely not going to give you the hydration you're needing if you're counting each 8 oz as 8 oz of "water". even the Mayo Clinic, in their all mighty powerful article that so many people have thrown around on here, clearly state that. if you're not drinking any water, yet think you're reaching your 8x8 through soup/coffee/soda/milk, then you're sadly mistaken.
Still not sure why you think fluids that contain water cannot hydrate you as well as "plain" water.0
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