Water Intake: The Final Debate
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Am I a 'bad girl' if I'm adding a known diuretic-lemon juice- to each bottle of water? I jus figured, the more sodium an toxins I can pee out- the better.. I typically add 2-4tbsp lemon juice to 3c water
No, and in fact, there is some evidence that lemon water does a better job of flushing toxins out of the bloodstream than just water alone. That is why lemonade on a hot day seems to quench one's thirst. But the sugar in it is a no-no---so lemon water is a better choice. Interestingly, a number of people I know who say that drinking water alone makes them nauseated, tolerate water with a squeeze of lemon much better.
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Seems unlikely, as it's full of holes.Since it's the "final debate," does that mean no one will ever discuss it again?
I just read a military nutrition study where none of the subjects had a total fluid intake over 1 gallon/day, with water in food etc included in that, and none were dehydrated. p57 of http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA248607
Our bodies are miracles of design and include many "fail-safe" systems. Those systems will conserve calories under conditions of starvation by lowering the metabolic rate, and conserve body heat (with shivering) in conditions of cold-exposure. So too, since hydration levels are critical to survival, our bodies have systems that attempt to prevent dehydration by conserving fluid when not enough fluid is being consumed. Those systems do not work as well in those with a small body mass (like children) or in the elderly. Dehydrating conditions that can be tolerated well by healthy soldiers may not be as easily tolerated by those with lower body masses. But, just because we don't seem to suffer any ill-effects from avoiding drinking plenty of water does not mean that we are at a level that will produce optimum results. I know that, for me, I tire much more easily if I am not properly hydrated and that an optimum level for me is at least six glasses a day---in addition to other beverages. I drink two per meal---one before--saving a few sips for during the meal, and one a half hour or so after. It is important to drink sips of water during a meal as it aids digestion but it is better to drink a full glass of water either on an empty stomach or after your stomach has had a chance to digest your food, as drinking a lot of water with a meal (or any beverage, for that matter) will dilute digestive enzymes and interfere with digestion. It isn't that your stomach cannot handle a quantity of beverage with a meal, because it can---but you will get the best results from prudence. So too, it is prudent to drink plenty of pure water for a lot of reasons---not just avoiding dehydration.0 -
The final answer: nobody cares.0
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that had virtually no correlation to anything that was in the original post, whatsoever.
The correlation was to your assertion that soldiers drink "lots and lots of water".
They don't actually, as it would mean carrying lots and lots of weight. They drink enough, as shown by that study, and it's less than a gallon a day in the case observed.
http://www.usariem.army.mil/pages/download/HydrationPDF.pdf advises that "CAUTION: Hourly fluid intake should not exceed 1½ quarts. Daily fluid intake should not exceed 12 quarts." It also has useful info about sodium intake requirements etc and Table II showing Institute of Medicine recommendations again below a gallon a day also reported at http://www.jacn.org/content/26/suppl_5/585S.full
It does say "Most healthy people adequately meet their daily water needs when they let thirst be their guide. Note, however, that this is not true for athletes, military personnel in hot environments, people who are ill, elderly individuals, or infants. The sense of thirst (or the ability to communicate it) of these populations is not an adequate reflection of their water needs. The AI for water is not a suitable guide for these populations." which agrees with some of the OP.
Umm, I was in the Army. We drank lots of water, carried 2, 32 ounce canteens ALL the time. We often stopped quite often for water breaks and such.0 -
The wording... the structure... it's more than just the best post ever.
It's quite possibly the most perfect execution of the English written language in human history.
Refreshing, isn't it...almost as good a tall, cold glass of water! :drinker: 0 -
Gorilla,
Are you one of those people who insist on drinking a litre of water first thing in the morning, and a litre before and after each meal?
Thank you muchly,
Zyxst
I drink 32 ounces of water first thing in the morning. It is a good wake me up!0 -
Bottoms up!:drinker:0
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I agree with you! People who are like YOU DON'T NEED EIGHT GLASSES A DAY THERE'S WATER IN FRUIT just irritate me. While eight glasses isn't the ideal amount for everyone (some need more, some need less, much like 1200 isn't an ideal calorie count for everyone) you're not going to hurt yourself drinking more. You have to drink CRAP TON of water in a very short amount of time to get water poisoning. Like... A LOT. Think frat hazing amount.
I personally find I need to drink a lot of liquids throughout the day. I dehydrate easily, and I easily polish off at least 2 32 oz Nalgenes a day, not to mention things I just drink out of cups throughout the day.0 -
Seems unlikely, as it's full of holes.Since it's the "final debate," does that mean no one will ever discuss it again?
I just read a military nutrition study where none of the subjects had a total fluid intake over 1 gallon/day, with water in food etc included in that, and none were dehydrated. p57 of http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA248607
It's kind of funny because I actually feel sick and get headaches if I drink a lot of water.
Hyponatremia is a real threat for some people. Endurance athletes must always balance their need for replacing fluids with the danger of hyponatremia. Some have more of a tendency toward it (some of the symptoms are nausea and headache). That is probably why many people tolerate diluted fruit juice much better than plain water alone.0 -
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I drink when I'm thirsty and don't when I'm not. And I only get maybe 1 unflavored glass of water a day. I poison the rest with MIO. I'm a rebel.0
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19 glasses of water here a day!! My goal is to drink half of my weight in water!
Woah! You need to think seriously about the possibility of hyponatremia if you could actually drink half your body weight in water in a day (although I doubt it---you would get far too sick before you ever got that far).0 -
Love water. It's all I drink. Except coffee and wine.
Did you know Andy Warhol died of hyponatremia?0 -
19 glasses of water here a day!! My goal is to drink half of my weight in water!
Woah! You need to think seriously about the possibility of hyponatremia if you could actually drink half your body weight in water in a day (although I doubt it---you would get far too sick before you ever got that far).
it has been said you should drink half your body weight (in oz) of water. I drink more than half my body weight, in oz of water, most days.0 -
I agree, I was buying bottled water and forget about it, I'm not going to spend money on what is probably just someone tapwater anyway. So now, I add bit of an actual lemon to each 16 oz. I need more, I know I do. I follow the book by a special ops instructor and yes, I need more water, so, thank you for the post and you are a talented writer at that;)
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Since it's the "final debate," does that mean no one will ever discuss it again?
Wishful thinking! The "drink more than 8 glasses of water a day" dilemma will never go away.
People with larger bodies can eat more and drink more water, smaller, shorter people can't. There are not rules that fit everybody. Just drink whatever you want, and pee as often as you need, and let other do their own thing.
I don't even keep track of how much water i drink, and i am doing very well.0 -
I love water.
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I love this post! Most folks don't know they're thirsty or dehydrated until AFTER they start feeling thirty. It's better to be proactive and drink as much water as you can.0
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I like the idea of dividing your body weight by two, and drinking that many ounces… I drink a ton of water as well.0
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19 glasses of water here a day!! My goal is to drink half of my weight in water!
Woah! You need to think seriously about the possibility of hyponatremia if you could actually drink half your body weight in water in a day (although I doubt it---you would get far too sick before you ever got that far).
it has been said you should drink half your body weight (in oz) of water. I drink more than half my body weight, in oz of water, most days.
Hmm. A gallon of water weighs about 8 lbs. The average adult weighs about 160 lbs. That would mean that the person would be drinking about ten gallons of water per day if they were going to drink half their weight in water. I suppose you can build up a tolerance but it could be a problem. From the Wiki article on hyponatremia: "Healthy kidneys are able to excrete approximately 1 litre of fluid water (0.26 gallons) per hour. However, stress (from prolonged physical exertion), as well as disease states, can greatly reduce this amount [and hyponatremia could set in with even less water]." You would need 40 waking hours in every day to process that much water. I would think 5-6 gallons would be the upper limit for average, healthy adults. But 10 gallons? No.
Hate to get gross here, but there is a simple test to see if you are drinking enough/not too much water. On test day skip your vitamins (thiamine excretion colors urine so it is impossible to gauge accurately if you have thiamine in your urine). Then drink your water as you normally would. Catch a specimen of urine in a clear cup. If you are hydrating properly, it should be "straw-colored" as they say in the medical literature--i.e. tinted pale yellow with a slightly amber tinge. If it is definitely light or dark amber, you are dehydrated. If it is colorless, you are over-hydrated and putting a strain on your kidneys and fluid balance system.0 -
Love water. It's all I drink. Except coffee and wine.
Did you know Andy Warhol died of hyponatremia?
No, I didn't know that! I wonder if he was in Congestive Heart Failure as a pre-condition? It is very easy for someone with CHF to slip into hyponatremia. That is why the whole water-thing is not a "one-size fits all."0 -
Note to self: Do not go to aroundthemulb's place for drinks. Especially not from clear cups.
And I'm not so sure of about most people's ability to judge on the clear-straw-lemonade-lightamber-darkamber-stout spectrum. Perhaps a urine color wheel is in order...stocking stuffer!0 -
Note to self: Do not go to aroundthemulb's place for drinks. Especially not from clear cups.
And I'm not so sure of about most people's ability to judge on the clear-straw-lemonade-lightamber-darkamber-stout spectrum. Perhaps a urine color wheel is in order...stocking stuffer!
LOL--You dirty dog! I almost spit a mouthful of water on my keyboard! :laugh: hahahaha!0 -
if you are not a thirsty person then how do you even start to make yourself drink this amount of water, I know currently I'm just drinking the 8 glasses and I'm living in the bathroom I can't imagine drinking so much more, what do you just live in there.....when I drink water I find it just makes me more hungry like it flushes the food right out of my system....I am trying for the first time to really make a success out of this, it is not easy to do....my weight loss is always so slow that is why I say...whatever I'm done....but I really do want to get threw this, my daughter is getting married in april and I don't want to be a fat mother of the bride0
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haha, you look like Pitbull.
exactly my thought :laugh:0 -
Those memes wreak of awesome.0 -
Grr.haha, you look like Pitbull.
exactly my thought :laugh:0 -
There shall never be a Final Debate about water intake!0
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Grr.haha, you look like Pitbull.
exactly my thought :laugh:
hey its nothing bad hehe! Pitbull rocks! his music makes me dance :drinker:0
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