cardio is pointless in my opinion

Yogi_Carl

My vote is for the Kenyan marathon runner.

75in2013

Trollololol still going strong I see.

WendyTerry420

My vote is for the Kenyan marathon runner.

The Kenyan will be able to outrun Arnold, so Arnold will be eaten by the zombie. It's just common sense. :laugh:

WendyTerry420

Trollololol still going strong I see.

myofibril

and this thread only shows how people cannot think out side the box and do not read the OP correctly, using context clues form the first post.

let me rephrase what i said, people that ONLY DO CARDIO are waisting their time, when compared to people that only weight lift. come on. lets see who looks better? a guy that doesnt do any cardio but does weights only or a person that only does cardio and no weights.

wild example, A marathon Runner form Kenya (120lb) vs Arnold (220lb) on stage?

That's a pretty asinine example though innit?

Both the runner and Arnold have trained very specifically dictated by the needs of their goals and respective sports. The average punter just doing cardio or just doing weights won't end up looking like either so the comparison is pointless.

You know what else is pointless?

This thread.

And your face. If you didn't have a nose.

furenaef

and this thread only shows how people cannot think out side the box and do not read the OP correctly, using context clues form the first post.

let me rephrase what i said, people that ONLY DO CARDIO are waisting their time, when compared to people that only weight lift. come on. lets see who looks better? a guy that doesnt do any cardio but does weights only or a person that only does cardio and no weights.

wild example, A marathon Runner form Kenya (120lb) vs Arnold (220lb) on stage?

That's a pretty asinine example though innit?

Both the runner and Arnold have trained very specifically dictated by the needs of their goals and respective sports. The average punter just doing cardio or just doing weights won't end up looking like either so the comparison is pointless.

You know what else is pointless?

This thread.

And your face. If you didn't have a nose.

im just face paliming @ the close minded people that cant take a hypothetical situation and get butt hurt because i challenge their beliefs.

then these same people bring strawman arguments that have nothing to do with the OP, just like this thread became pointless when they started talking about "heart health" or wtf "zombies" , it really shows how people are drones to one way of thinking and cant for a second entertain the thought of other ideas.

but hey im not claiming i know everything, but this thread has a bunch of psudo intellegent people.

ppl here: "oh you dont do cardio, your heart health suckz Luz!",
"i lost X amount of weight doing cardio, so you must be wrong Lolzz",
"troll thread LoLZz" , "calorie defecit all day everyday" .

seriously?

same people that say "you need carbs to work out or else you cant run a marthon or cycle for 40miles"

close minded people

inb4 you call me close minded for saying weight lifting is better then cardio

threeohtwo

why use all your energy tying to create a deficit in your body to lose weight? why not just channel that energy to muscle development.

and before anyone gets butt hurt, i kayak and cycle every weekend.

unless you are in a sport that requires aerobic fitness, then yeah there is a point, but other then that just a waste of time.

Umm....this is wrong. Period. Want to know what sport needs aerobic fitness? Living. I have genetically high blood pressure and no matter what I eat it stays high. If I get in 30-40 minutes of cardio a day my blood pressure magically drops. Your heart needs the activity. While lifting does raise your heart rate it doesn't offer the same benefits as cardio does for training your heart.

I think it's hilarious when people offer such general sweeping statements. Not everyone is the same.

repmlrs

i do cardio because if i didnt i dont think id be able to pass a pt test and end up getting kicked out of the army

scottb81

wild example, A marathon Runner form Kenya (120lb) vs Arnold (220lb) on stage?

You need anabolic steroids to look like Arnold. I read his book and that's what he said.

heagler870

Well when I was 315 pounds I was more concerned with NOT building muscle so cardio it was! Plus, I really enjoyed the elliptical machine. Squats and lunges are about the extent of my "weight training"

gwicks54

(and this, from the book brain rules)

The human brain evolved under conditions of almost constant motion. From this, one might predict that the optimal environment for processing information would include motion. That is exactly what one finds. Indeed, the best business meeting would have everyone walking at about 1.8 miles per hour.

Researchers studied two elderly populations that had led different lifestyles, one sedentary and one active. Cognitive scores were profoundly influenced. Exercise positively affected executive function, spatial tasks, reaction times and quantitative skills.

So researchers asked: If the sedentary populations become active, will their cognitive scores go up? Yes, it turns out, if the exercise is aerobic. In four months, executive functions vastly improve; longer, and memory scores improve as well.

Exercise improves cognition for two reasons:

Exercise increases oxygen flow into the brain, which reduces brain-bound free radicals. One of the most interesting findings of the past few decades is that an increase in oxygen is always accompanied by an uptick in mental sharpness.
Exercise acts directly on the molecular machinery of the brain itself. It increases neurons’ creation, survival, and resistance to damage and stress.

woodsygirl

Weight training IS my cardio

aproc

It's pointless in weightloss because heavy lifting and diet will do it, but it's still an important thing to do every once in a while for other reasons like cardiovascular health, etc. I rarely do cardio so when I do it, it is a lot harder on me now when I used to be able to go an hour with no problem or run a certain distance.

tlinval

Arnold looks like crap.

SideSteel

Statements that fail to consider goals and context are more pointless.

That being said, I don't do any cardio because it's not necessary given my set of circumstances.

therealangd

Why does it have to be an either/or question? Strength training and lifting improves metabolism long term as muscle is more thermogenic than fat. Strength training and lifting also improve bone density. Cardiovascular improves heart function, hence the reason it is called Cardiovascular. Cardio=heart in latin, vascular=veins. Improved heart function improves lung function and endurance.
Sure, you can lose weight doing just one or the other, but then you miss out on other health benefits. Just like we focus on balanced nutrition we should also focus on balanced fitness. Not everyone can join a gym or buy weights, but everyone can go out for a walk, take the stairs, and other cardiovascular exercises. Form matters much more in strength training to prevent injury, not everyone can develop good form without a trainer.
I think instead of criticizing people who are focused on one over the other people should understand that everyone's abilities and resources are different and anything that leads to weight loss and healthier lifestyle should be applauded.

There is absolutely NO NEED of any common sense in this thread. *high five*

myofibril

inb4 you call me close minded for saying weight lifting is better then cardio

I don't think you are close minded. I just think you could have presented your case a whole lot better.

This really is about maximising results with the least amount of time commitment.

Let's take an overweight trainee. They have no difficulty with dietary adherence once they are shown what to do. They have no preference one way or other between weights and cardio. Their primary goal is to lose body fat / look good naked. They have a busy life and are time limited.

What would be the most efficient way for them to achieve their goals? Good diet to achieve a consistent calorie deficit and a resistance training programme to preserve LBM (and possibly even increase it slightly.) Cardio is not necessary as their diet is handling their deficit. They do not have an additional endurance goals (running a marathon, riding in the TdF) and so are content with the CV benefits of weights.

However, in the real world many people do not fit into those neat little boxes. Some people have difficulty with dietary adherence so cardio provides a useful insurance policy against over eating. Some people prefer to cardio and find it fun. Some people find weights tedious etc etc.

The statement weights is better than cardio is meaningless without context and bearing in mind an individuals strengths, weaknesses and goals.

mcrowe1016

Bumping because broscience (on both sides of this argument) makes be laugh :laugh:

lynnacuff

i bicycle and walk simply because i was totally inactive..have mild breathing problems. so i want to build myself up a little before i even attempt anything else.

bcf7683

HA.... butt hurt.

BigGuy47

Statements that fail to consider goals and context are more pointless.

I would guess that 90% of the statements made on MFP fall into this category.

Eat more.
Eat less.
Cardio sucks
Strength training is awesome
Low carb is for everyone
etc.

penrbrown

Statements that fail to consider goals and context are more pointless.

I would guess that 90% of the statements made on MFP fall into this category.

Eat more.
Eat less.
Cardio sucks
Strength training is awesome
Low carb is for everyone
etc.

I hate people who...
I love people who...
I am sexy.
You are sexy.
Let's get sexy.

n0ob

Prepare for a statement that will blow your mind:





























Strength training IS cardio.

HardLocker

for me , cardio is my best choice. I must do cardio OR i will end up eating nothing.

Pandasarecool

I HATE cardio and LOVE lifting, but I try to do both because I have a layer of fat over my muscle that needs, to be gone, and its also good for your lungs and heart.

Pandasarecool

I HATE cardio and LOVE lifting, but I try to do both because I have a layer of fat over my muscle that needs, to be gone, and its also good for your lungs and heart.

Also, so I can eat some sweets once in a while :blushing:

furenaef

inb4 you call me close minded for saying weight lifting is better then cardio

I don't think you are close minded. I just think you could have presented your case a whole lot better.

This really is about maximising results with the least amount of time commitment.

Let's take an overweight trainee. They have no difficulty with dietary adherence once they are shown what to do. They have no preference one way or other between weights and cardio. Their primary goal is to lose body fat / look good naked. They have a busy life and are time limited.

What would be the most efficient way for them to achieve their goals? Good diet to achieve a consistent calorie deficit and a resistance training programme to preserve LBM (and possibly even increase it slightly.) Cardio is not necessary as their diet is handling their deficit. They do not have an additional endurance goals (running a marathon, riding in the TdF) and so are content with the CV benefits of weights.

However, in the real world many people do not fit into those neat little boxes. Some people have difficulty with dietary adherence so cardio provides a useful insurance policy against over eating. Some people prefer to cardio and find it fun. Some people find weights tedious etc etc.

The statement weights is better than cardio is meaningless without context and bearing in mind an individuals strengths, weaknesses and goals.

when you put it like that, i some what agree with you, i guess the fact that most people dont even know how to weight lift and dont use percenteges in weight training. As well as their personal goals are, and yes i could of stated this better, as you can see thread was derailed pretty bad with broscience on all sides.

i still think that eating at a deficit and doing tons of cardio is doable, but its just not efficient in the long term.

and for the guy that said arnold looks bad, please take a look at your self in the mirror and repeat what you just said.

furenaef

inb4 you call me close minded for saying weight lifting is better then cardio

I don't think you are close minded. I just think you could have presented your case a whole lot better.

This really is about maximising results with the least amount of time commitment.

Let's take an overweight trainee. They have no difficulty with dietary adherence once they are shown what to do. They have no preference one way or other between weights and cardio. Their primary goal is to lose body fat / look good naked. They have a busy life and are time limited.

What would be the most efficient way for them to achieve their goals? Good diet to achieve a consistent calorie deficit and a resistance training programme to preserve LBM (and possibly even increase it slightly.) Cardio is not necessary as their diet is handling their deficit. They do not have an additional endurance goals (running a marathon, riding in the TdF) and so are content with the CV benefits of weights.

However, in the real world many people do not fit into those neat little boxes. Some people have difficulty with dietary adherence so cardio provides a useful insurance policy against over eating. Some people prefer to cardio and find it fun. Some people find weights tedious etc etc.

The statement weights is better than cardio is meaningless without context and bearing in mind an individuals strengths, weaknesses and goals.

when you put it like that, i some what agree with you, i guess the fact that most people dont even know how to weight lift and dont use percenteges in weight training(real weight training takes math, patience, knowledge, strategy and actual know how, not just blindly lifting things up and putting them down), so most people here would disagree with my poorly written statement on the OP. As well as their personal goals are, and yes i could of stated this better, as you can see thread was derailed pretty bad with broscience on all sides.

i still think that eating at a deficit and doing tons of cardio is doable, but its just not efficient in the long term, if you are only doing that!

buzzcogs

Life is a sport that requires cardiac fitness!

fasterandbetter

why use all your energy tying to create a deficit in your body to lose weight? why not just channel that energy to muscle development.

and before anyone gets butt hurt, i kayak and cycle every weekend.

unless you are in a sport that requires aerobic fitness, then yeah there is a point, but other then that just a waste of time.

doing cardio is great for health reasons not just weight loss, overtime your heart rate slows down your blood pressure improves decreasing the risk of cardiac/renal and vascular disease among others.