Paleo Diet
annams76
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Looking into changing up my diet does anyone know about this paleo diet? I am concerned about not getting the proper nutrition and need some advise.
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It's a diet where you don't eat foods from the naughty list.0
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plaeo is a joke.0
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placebo is the joke \m/0
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placebo is the joke \m/
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What........no donuts or ding dongs.It's a diet where you don't eat foods from the naughty list.0 -
It's based on non-science and demonizes perfectly healthy foods, but you can get proper nutrition on the diet if you choose,
If you think a restrictive diet such a this will help you stick to your calorie goals and you can be satisfied not eating grains and legumes (beans, peas, some nuts) then give it a shot.0 -
What........no donuts or ding dongs.It's a diet where you don't eat foods from the naughty list.
If I enjoy donuts, excluding them absolutely without providing any context is silly.0 -
your not gonna get help here, all the paleo bashers will be out in full force , I suggest joining the paleo group . made that mistake before :ohwell:0
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Hi guys, here's my experience with the paleo diet:
1) I lost 3-stone of weight over 6-months.
2) I have stuck to it for 3 years without problem.
3) All my nasty digestive problems went away
4) I feel for once in my life like I'm "well" and that I have energy
5) Food cravings and hunger disappeared (a 24-36-hour fast now, which I do regularly, doesn't even register as a negative experience)
6) I feel like I appreciate food more. I spend a lot more time considering food's place in my diet.
It is based on good science - Especially the science behind the role of insulin in the human body (in both the storage of food and, by abuse, the development of inflammatory diseases, such as diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, Alzeimers, etc), the role played by fat and cholesterol in the human body (Ancel Keys was wrong; These nutrients are *essential* for a whole manner of body functions, including sex hormones), and what role carbohydrates should play in the lives of humans (The essential requirement for carbohydrates is 0g per day - And excepting manual laborers, athletes, and other very physical workers they should not be very prevalent in the every day diet, especially if the focus is fat loss).
There's also a lot of good science behind ketosis as the ideal metabolic state (not to be confused with ketoacidosis, a dangerous condition which comes about from uncontrolled type-1 diabetes. Ketosis is the state where the body uses fat-stores to produce energy in the form of ketones; It mobilizes body fat, but spares body muscle).
If anyone wants more information, add me as a friend on here and send me a PM. I'll be more than happy to answer every and any question I can.
I've read more about this than I did for my masters degree, so I can always recommend reading for anyone who's *really* interested too
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Hi guys, here's my experience with the paleo diet:
1) I lost 3-stone of weight over 6-months.
2) I have stuck to it for 3 years without problem.
3) All my nasty digestive problems went away
4) I feel for once in my life like I'm "well" and that I have energy
5) Food cravings and hunger disappeared (a 24-36-hour fast now, which I do regularly, doesn't even register as a negative experience)
6) I feel like I appreciate food more. I spend a lot more time considering food's place in my diet.
OP, I think this is a key thing to think about. If you have digestive problems you may need to cut something from your diet to solve them. Paleo restricts a lot of food, so it's possible one of those foods would be the cause of digestive problems, but you could likely get the same results by working with a dietician to determine the exact food(s) to restrict.0 -
It is based on good science - Especially the science behind the role of insulin in the human body (in both the storage of food and, by abuse, the development of inflammatory diseases, such as diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, Alzeimers, etc), the role played by fat and cholesterol in the human body (Ancel Keys was wrong; These nutrients are *essential* for a whole manner of body functions, including sex hormones), and what role carbohydrates should play in the lives of humans (The essential requirement for carbohydrates is 0g per day - And excepting manual laborers, athletes, and other very physical workers they should not be very prevalent in the every day diet, especially if the focus is fat loss).
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Physiologically we are supposed to eat everything of anything we can find...period, end of story. We just aren't supposed to have 50,000 calories available at our disposal in an unspoiled state ready to eat at all times...0
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the Paleo diet itself. Its very healthy. Its also very extreme. All of the health and wellness benefits claimed by Paleo, I achieved long before hearing about Paleo. My personal problem with Paleo is those who follow it who claim its the "One True Way" to eat. I've cut a lot of processed foods out of my diet. But I have never stopped eating bread. Or consuming sugar. My brother claimed (after years of him not believing me that the most important factor of weight loss was diet) that because he's on Paleo he dropped a bunch of weight. Well, in the past 3 weeks of me watching what I eat and tracking it, I lost about 10lbs already.
Its a simple formula. Eat less. Exercise more. If Paleo does it for you, great. But be prepared to embrace it for the rest of your life because losing weight isn't about a quick fix. Its a lifestyle change to be healthier and if you start Paleo it better become your lifestyle. If you can commit to that then go for it.
Personally, I'd rather just eat healthy foods. I stay mostly organic, lowered my meat consumption a bit and avoid the processed crap at the supermarket and restaurants. And I have that same 'clean' feeling that Paleo claims is exclusive to them. But you know what they don't get that I do? When I did my 11 mile long run on Sunday, I get a donut. 8)0 -
Physiologically we are supposed to eat everything of anything we can find...period, end of story.
Its the Omnivore's Dilemma (tm) 8D0 -
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Paleo diet itself. Its very healthy. Its also very extreme. All of the health and wellness benefits claimed by Paleo, I achieved long before hearing about Paleo. My personal problem with Paleo is those who follow it who claim its the "One True Way" to eat.
I would agree with you that there are a lot of Paleo enthusiasts out there who claim it is the "One True Way". It's not, it's an option and may or may not work with a person's lifestyle or preferences.
But I wouldn't say it's extreme... Sacrificing refined products, grains, and dairy just seemed like a no-brainer. Phytic acid in grains, for example, is just NASTY preventing the absorption of many essentially vitamins and nutrients in the gut.OP, I think this is a key thing to think about. If you have digestive problems you may need to cut something from your diet to solve them. Paleo restricts a lot of food, so it's possible one of those foods would be the cause of digestive problems, but you could likely get the same results by working with a dietician to determine the exact food(s) to restrict.
You're right - I did need to cut something from my diet. Through a lot of trial and error I realised that the spectrum of grains were causing my stomach problems - Years of terrible debilitating cramps and pain - and dairy was causing my skin problems.
But yet again, I don't feel restricted at all. Fact is, if I want a piece of cake, I'll have one (though I know I'll pay for it later). If I want red wine (our ancestors didn't drink red wine), I'll have some red wine. If I want a chocolate bar, I'll have one.
In the grand scheme of things, you have to make some concessions. There are intermittent fasters (as an example) I know who are so stuck in their ways, that they would rather avoid social interaction altogether than, say, break their fast early to go for an early lunch or whatever... Similarly, there are paleo eaters who'll point their finger at anyone who would praise dairy (it has its uses) or enjoy a slice of cake... Extremes are unsustainable.
The way that I see it, you take the principles and the science behind it and you work out how it's going to work for you, for your benefit, and you tweak and experiment along the way.
Humans aren't one-size fits all, and that is why paleo provided me with a greater awareness and a greater appreciation of food and its particular place in my diet.LOL
Great contribution. Did you think that witty retort up yourself, or did you have a crack-team of writers on stand-by?0 -
Looking into changing up my diet does anyone know about this paleo diet? I am concerned about not getting the proper nutrition and need some advise.
You can get nutrition by eating a paleo diet. The downside of paleo is that it cuts out way too many yummy, nutritious foods. You can get your nutrition from pretty much whatever foods you want. I find it best to eat things you enjoy. It helps with sanity/happiness.0 -
It is based on good science - Especially the science behind the role of insulin in the human body (in both the storage of food and, by abuse, the development of inflammatory diseases, such as diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, Alzeimers, etc), the role played by fat and cholesterol in the human body (Ancel Keys was wrong; These nutrients are *essential* for a whole manner of body functions, including sex hormones), and what role carbohydrates should play in the lives of humans (The essential requirement for carbohydrates is 0g per day - And excepting manual laborers, athletes, and other very physical workers they should not be very prevalent in the every day diet, especially if the focus is fat loss).
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Zero carb diet. OMG! My question is how much are people paying for these book that make such wild claims?!?0 -
our ancestors didnt eat any of the food we eat today, regardless if you are paleo or not. Everything has been selectivly bred over the last thousands of years to be bigger, taste better and last longer in storage.
That is a terrible argument for a diet if you ask me.0 -
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Paleo diet itself. Its very healthy. Its also very extreme. All of the health and wellness benefits claimed by Paleo, I achieved long before hearing about Paleo. My personal problem with Paleo is those who follow it who claim its the "One True Way" to eat.
I would agree with you that there are a lot of Paleo enthusiasts out there who claim it is the "One True Way". It's not, it's an option and may or may not work with a person's lifestyle or preferences.
But I wouldn't say it's extreme... Sacrificing refined products, grains, and dairy just seemed like a no-brainer. Phytic acid in grains, for example, is just NASTY preventing the absorption of many essentially vitamins and nutrients in the gut.OP, I think this is a key thing to think about. If you have digestive problems you may need to cut something from your diet to solve them. Paleo restricts a lot of food, so it's possible one of those foods would be the cause of digestive problems, but you could likely get the same results by working with a dietician to determine the exact food(s) to restrict.
You're right - I did need to cut something from my diet. Through a lot of trial and error I realised that the spectrum of grains were causing my stomach problems - Years of terrible debilitating cramps and pain - and dairy was causing my skin problems.
But yet again, I don't feel restricted at all. Fact is, if I want a piece of cake, I'll have one (though I know I'll pay for it later). If I want red wine (our ancestors didn't drink red wine), I'll have some red wine. If I want a chocolate bar, I'll have one.
In the grand scheme of things, you have to make some concessions. There are intermittent fasters (as an example) I know who are so stuck in their ways, that they would rather avoid social interaction altogether than, say, break their fast early to go for an early lunch or whatever... Similarly, there are paleo eaters who'll point their finger at anyone who would praise dairy (it has its uses) or enjoy a slice of cake... Extremes are unsustainable.
The way that I see it, you take the principles and the science behind it and you work out how it's going to work for you, for your benefit, and you tweak and experiment along the way.
Humans aren't one-size fits all, and that is why paleo provided me with a greater awareness and a greater appreciation of food and its particular place in my diet.LOL
Great contribution. Did you think that witty retort up yourself, or did you have a crack-team of writers on stand-by?
Actually, eating grains as part of an balanced, healthy diet is a no-brainer, unless you have some sort of medical condition. And dairy is awesome and healthy. This is what people mean when they say paleo folks claim it's the "one true way." To claim that *humans in general* should not eat grains or dairy or legumes is just silly. So silly, in fact, that it makes people laugh out loud when they hear it. *SOME* humans have intolerances/allergies to certain foods. But let's not make wild claims like, "Sacrificing refined products, grains, and dairy just seemed like a no-brainer."
This is why you find people who aren't on paleo making comments in these types of threads. Too many people tell too many lies. So don't eat bread or cheese of peanuts if you don't want to, or if a medical condition prevents it. But don't make false claims that are nothing but scare tactics to get people to buy books.0 -
...(our ancestors didn't drink red wine), ...
Mine did. And they drank whiskey too. I try to follow the same practices .... to keep the tradition alive.0 -
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Great contribution. Did you think that witty retort up yourself, or did you have a crack-team of writers on stand-by?
It's more of a involuntary response when someone makes a variation of the "carbs make you fat/insulin is the debil" argument. I thought we had dispensed with such nonsense in the 90's.0 -
My opinion that its a lot of nonsense intended to sell books - but fairly harmless and its additive and junk food free. It might help some people with food intolerances, but for most people it cuts out too many foods.
I use one of the recipe books sometimes, cause the recipes are good to eat and my kids like them.0 -
our ancestors didnt eat any of the food we eat today, regardless if you are paleo or not. Everything has been selectivly bred over the last thousands of years to be bigger, taste better and last longer in storage.
That is a terrible argument for a diet if you ask me.
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Zero carb diet. OMG! My question is how much are people paying for these book that make such wild claims?!?
It's not a wild claim.
There is no strict physiological need for dietary carbohydrates in terms of survival. The same is mostly true of fats except for a small number of EFAs. The only thing your body absolutely needs through dietary intake is protein.
Having said that I personally consume a lot of carbs mostly because a) I like eating them b) I have no real intolerance to them and c) I am very active.0 -
The people I know that have used a paleo-type diet successfully reduced their carbs and increased protein and fats. They didn't stop eating carbs though!!!! It goes like this:
When you are having a dinner, you put a scoop of mashed potatoes on your plate, one serving of the roast or chicken or whatever meat is available, a dollop of carrots, and a slice of bread (or roll) with a pat of butter and some jam. This could be a perfectly fine meal but a lot of people overdo portion sizes and their meat is not really the size of a deck of cards and their mashed potato scoop is not 1 cup. Anyway, that sort of meal has a lot of carbs (potatoes, carrots, bread, jam) compared to protein or fat.
If someone following the paleo diet were to be offered the same meal, they would add a very small dollop of mashed potatoes (maybe 1/4 cup-ish), add a pat of butter or two, put a very generous serving (or two) of the meat especially if it is fatty, and a few carrots, but no bread.
So, same meal and there are carbs included but the proportion of carbs to fats and proteins is smaller. I don't follow a paleo diet but I do prefer protein and fat whenever I can. I mean, paleo propaganda does include some really great foods (avocado, nuts, meat, coconut)! But you have to learn for yourself so I hope you find something that works for you and you can stick with
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If someone following the paleo diet were to be offered the same meal, they would add a very small dollop of mashed potatoes (maybe 1/4 cup-ish), add a pat of butter or two, put a very generous serving (or two) of the meat especially if it is fatty, and a few carrots, but no bread.
Then they would not be following the paleo diet. Apparently white potatoes and butter were the things that killed off the cavemen.0 -
The people I know that have used a paleo-type diet successfully reduced their carbs and increased protein and fats. They didn't stop eating carbs though!!!! It goes like this:
When you are having a dinner, you put a scoop of mashed potatoes on your plate, one serving of the roast or chicken or whatever meat is available, a dollop of carrots, and a slice of bread (or roll) with a pat of butter and some jam. This could be a perfectly fine meal but a lot of people overdo portion sizes and their meat is not really the size of a deck of cards and their mashed potato scoop is not 1 cup. Anyway, that sort of meal has a lot of carbs (potatoes, carrots, bread, jam) compared to protein or fat.
If someone following the paleo diet were to be offered the same meal, they would add a very small dollop of mashed potatoes (maybe 1/4 cup-ish), add a pat of butter or two, put a very generous serving (or two) of the meat especially if it is fatty, and a few carrots, but no bread.
So, same meal and there are carbs included but the proportion of carbs to fats and proteins is smaller. I don't follow a paleo diet but I do prefer protein and fat whenever I can. I mean, paleo propaganda does include some really great foods (avocado, nuts, meat, coconut)! But you have to learn for yourself so I hope you find something that works for you and you can stick with
Paleo do not eat white potatoes , I am paleo and would eat the meat and some carrots if offered this.0 -
Holy crap this is a lot of info for me to process. I am not looking for something super restrictive & I LOVE my carbs. I just not sure how to change my diet to achieve results. I know it needs to change and keep hearing about this diet. Thank you everyone for all the information.0
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Holy crap this is a lot of info for me to process. I am not looking for something super restrictive & I LOVE my carbs. I just not sure how to change my diet to achieve results. I know it needs to change and keep hearing about this diet. Thank you everyone for all the information.
In my opinion I think you should just get used to eating at a calorie deficit however that feels comfortable to you and eating whatever you would like to eat, rather than what you think you should eat.
You can then experiment with adding and taking things out of your diet to see how that makes you feel and how your body reacts.
Obviously if you feel comfortable with a diet high in lean meat, fruit and veg right off the bat then do that but it's not an absolute requirement.
Dieting does not have to equate with punishing yourself if you catch my drift.0 -
It's more of a involuntary response when someone makes a variation of the "carbs make you fat/insulin is the debil" argument. I thought we had dispensed with such nonsense in the 90's.
Well, yes... The way that a lot of people eat these days, I would say insulin is a problem. Chronically high insulin causes water and salt retention which drives hypertension. Triglycerides, which are strongly associated with heart disease, are elevated on high-carbohydrate eating (and this is due to carbohydrates providing the glycerol to make triglycerides so that insulin can "fix" then into the fat cells). Insulin itself and the accompanying ups-and-downs of blood sugar are associated with the whole spectrum of "diseases of modern civilization", including heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc. It has its positive functions, but not in excess.
I would consider it settled, but I wouldn't consider it non-sense. If you don't want to grow (muscle or fat), then carbohydrates aren't necessary. They're not a maintenance macronutrient, they're a growth macro (which interestingly explains their role in the development of tumours...)Zero carb diet. OMG! My question is how much are people paying for these book that make such wild claims?!?
I never said the diets were zero carb - I said that the essential requirement for carbohydrates is 0g per day. What that means is that humans do not need a single gram of carbohydrates to survive. However, if we went for an extended period of time without protein or fat, we'd get very unhealthy as they are essential.
I would actually advocate the approach made by Dr. Wulfgang Lutz in his work "Life without bread" which states that 6-Bread-Units per day is ideal for fat loss and human nutrition. That translates at about 72g of net carbohydrates per day, giving some flexibility in meal planning.
To answer your question: The original "low carb" diet was advocated by William Banting back in the 1700s. He was prescribed a diet by a London doctor by the name of Dr. William Harvey which emphasised that dietary carbohydrates were the cause of his rotund-belly. He wrote about his experience after losing substantial weight, his "Letters on Corpulence", and it was sold for a low cost, or given away for free. Any profits derived from sales were donated to hospitals and charities. The text is still available, for free, today and the diet is still very relevant to human health. Google it.Actually, eating grains as part of an balanced, healthy diet is a no-brainer, unless you have some sort of medical condition. And dairy is awesome and healthy. This is what people mean when they say paleo folks claim it's the "one true way." To claim that *humans in general* should not eat grains or dairy or legumes is just silly. So silly, in fact, that it makes people laugh out loud when they hear it. *SOME* humans have intolerances/allergies to certain foods. But let's not make wild claims like, "Sacrificing refined products, grains, and dairy just seemed like a no-brainer."
This is why you find people who aren't on paleo making comments in these types of threads. Too many people tell too many lies. So don't eat bread or cheese of peanuts if you don't want to, or if a medical condition prevents it. But don't make false claims that are nothing but scare tactics to get people to buy books.
Damn, you've caught me... I'm clearly trying to tell you all about my positive experience to lead you up to the crescendo of selling you a book!
Look, I'm presenting my experience here - that's all. It's not the one true way, it's it's a way. I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong, but it's undeniable (for example) that grains contain defence mechanisms, like phytates, which harm human health. They cause nutrient absorption issues and are just nasty.
Dairy causes uncharacteristically high insulin spikes which is odd considering its macro-nutrient breakdown. This is disruptive to fat loss. At the end of the day, when conducting my research and from my experience, it seemed like a no-brainer to cut these out. If it didn't seem like a no-brainer to you, then carry on.
The OP asked about paleo. I gave her an answer. That simple.0
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