what exactly falls under "lifting"
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Thanks everyone.
It sounds like I'm not doing anything bad, but I could be doing more.
Do any of you have some references I can look at that will help me put together something at home? I don't have a lot of space or financial resources, and gym isn't option, so I'm always looking for inexpensive home options
Thanks
i am disappoint
I think I'm missing something0 -
So machines are not considered lifting and def cannot be labeled as heavy lifting? =( Guess I better work up the courage to walk into the free weights section of the gym ='(
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Thanks everyone.
It sounds like I'm not doing anything bad, but I could be doing more.
Do any of you have some references I can look at that will help me put together something at home? I don't have a lot of space or financial resources, and gym isn't option, so I'm always looking for inexpensive home options
Thanks
http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2009/12/09/beginner-body-weight-workout-burn-fat-build-muscle/ <~ best ever and you can level up to the next when you are ready or til you get weights or access to a barbell. Then switch to using it as your warm up.0 -
Check out the "You are your own gym" workouts0
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i always wondered what was meant by "heavy". It's a very subjective term.
heavy is relative to the lifter.
i like to go by certain bench marks.
Men:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
1x body weight for chest/bench press
Women:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
75%body weight for chest/bench press
Lifting heavy needs to be put into perspective of their experience, progression and, not as a percentage of body weight. It should relate to how many reps you can do to failure. Most of those percentages will put you into an intermediate or advanced lifter category.
According to this, I don't lift heavy for OHP as I can only do 60% of my body weight (assuming we are talking about 1RM) but I can deadlift over 250lb.
Also, the % make no sense anyway. Why are women the same as men for squats and bench and why is OHP = bench?0 -
So machines are not considered lifting and def cannot be labeled as heavy lifting? =( Guess I better work up the courage to walk into the free weights section of the gym ='(
Do it!! You'll never look back or regret it
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So machines are not considered lifting and def cannot be labeled as heavy lifting? =( Guess I better work up the courage to walk into the free weights section of the gym ='(
Do it!! You'll never look back or regret it
I felt the same way when I left the machines behind and moved to bodyweight exercising, as soon as I realised it wasn't just a few sets of push-ups and then no progress. It's horses for courses, but both ends are far way better than locking yourself into a machine.0 -
As far as affordability goes, you can usually find equipment for pretty cheap from second hand stores, or private sellers on places like craigslist. I bought some cheap weights from Walmart for somewhere between $20 to $40, and a cheap bench from Target for dumbbell work about 5 years ago. I was able to find extra weights for my set from second hand stores, so I had a pretty good collection. The biggest problem with what I had was that I couldn't go heavy enough for a good leg workout. I didn't have money, or ceiling height for a good squat rack.0
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i always wondered what was meant by "heavy". It's a very subjective term.
heavy is relative to the lifter.
i like to go by certain bench marks.
Men:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
1x body weight for chest/bench press
Women:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
75%body weight for chest/bench press
Lifting heavy needs to be put into perspective of their experience, progression and, not as a percentage of body weight. It should relate to how many reps you can do to failure. Most of those percentages will put you into an intermediate or advanced lifter category.
According to this, I don't lift heavy for OHP as I can only do 60% of my body weight (assuming we are talking about 1RM) but I can deadlift over 250lb.
Also, the % make no sense anyway. Why are women the same as men for squats and bench and why is OHP = bench?
i got those numbers from here: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2012/02/23/a-newbies-guide-to-nerd-fitness/
i thought that the benchmarks given were a good guidline.0 -
Can we stop beating around the bush here?
Obviously you want us to tell you to go lift weights at the gym, and then you're going to come back and say how your regimen of calisthenics, bodyweight exercises and climbing are equal to or superior to going to the gym, and someone doing the same thing will come in and cosign and say it's more useful in everyday life, and then we'll go back and forth on it, and then someone will say that different people have different goals, and then CARLO5 will come in and ask if you've tried yoga, and then someone will call me an ignorant meathead.
So just tell us what you're doing so I can slam it and let's get this party started. I ain't got all day.
^^ this
Lifting for me is free weights, with a few machines for my compound movements..... Anything else is just plain old fitness club stuff...
Mel0 -
Peace to you too Carl :-)
Mel0 -
And also with you0
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i always wondered what was meant by "heavy". It's a very subjective term.
heavy is relative to the lifter.
i like to go by certain bench marks.
Men:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
1x body weight for chest/bench press
Women:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
75%body weight for chest/bench press
Lifting heavy needs to be put into perspective of their experience, progression and, not as a percentage of body weight. It should relate to how many reps you can do to failure. Most of those percentages will put you into an intermediate or advanced lifter category.
According to this, I don't lift heavy for OHP as I can only do 60% of my body weight (assuming we are talking about 1RM) but I can deadlift over 250lb.
Also, the % make no sense anyway. Why are women the same as men for squats and bench and why is OHP = bench?
i got those numbers from here: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2012/02/23/a-newbies-guide-to-nerd-fitness/
i thought that the benchmarks given were a good guidline.
They are some guys idea of a 'spartan warrior' - that is all and have nothing to do with whether you are lifting heavy or not. I mean, one of them includes 'touch your toes'! They make no sense in the context of what 'heavy' lifting is. How can they possibly say, for example, that I am not 'lifting heavy' for OHP when I lift at the advanced status?. I would have to get into the elite status to apparently be considered lifting heavy. "Lifting heavy' should be related to how much you do to failure.0 -
My friend Elliot Hulse just addressed this question (more or less) in a video he posted yesterday. Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TBr8S8FZdE
In Short: Strength training is whatever you do with your body that stimulates the nervous system with effort. If you're lifting weights and it requires a lot of effort (pushups can be hard if you're a realtive newcomer to training or just haven't done anything with your body for a while). If you're lifting weights and day dreaming about that cute guy/girl checking you out, you're not lifting heavy enough.0 -
Lifting for me is free weights, with a few machines for my compound movements..... Anything else is just plain old fitness club stuff...
Mel
Isn't that backward? Free weights for compound movements and machines for isolation because that's more generally the way it goes.0 -
Why is a gym out of the question?
Distance is an obviously acceptable answer. Cost rarely is - most big box gyms are cheap as hell these days, health insurance (if you have it) often includes gym reimbursement, etc.
Also, "lifting" means "picking things up and putting them down". Bodyweight exercises are not lifting, they are calisthenics.0 -
Yeah, ok and a little bit of Peace to you to Mr Pul.And also with you
I agree with this, with the proviso that push-ups can be advanced to more intense movements to keep muscle stimulation up, so bodyweight exercises are more than entry level push-ups. Bodyweight can keep you busy for a fair while if you get into it (like what I am).In Short: Strength training is whatever you do with your body that stimulates the nervous system with effort. If you're lifting weights and it requires a lot of effort (pushups can be hard if you're a realtive newcomer to training or just haven't done anything with your body for a while). If you're lifting weights and day dreaming about that cute guy/girl checking you out, you're not lifting heavy enough.
edit: got my quote oblique in the wrong place - soz!0 -
bodyweight exercises wouldnt be considered "lifting"however it can be called resistance training.. but you can get good results from calisthenics if you know how to apply adequate resistance.0
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So machines are not considered lifting and def cannot be labeled as heavy lifting? =( Guess I better work up the courage to walk into the free weights section of the gym ='(
this does not require courage...JUST DO IT...who gives an F what anyone else thinks???????0 -
bodyweight exercises wouldnt be considered "lifting"however it can be called resistance training.. but you can get good results from calisthenics if you know how to apply adequate resistance.
I agree, not "lifting" as such but I felt the original poster was asking a question about lifting but also strength training in general. As you say, the essential part of bodyweight exercises is knowing how to apply increasing resistance through learning how to increase difficulties - or even in some cases how to make a bodyweight movement easier at the start, e.g. pullups for many - including me!.
Not as sexy as lifting weights for many, but I'm addicted!0 -
I think Carl gets the gist of what I was looking for - thanks
Right now push ups and pull ups are extremely difficult for me. Actually I still can't to an unassisted pull up. Also can only do a handful of real push ups (not from knees). So, I think the three variations of push ups, and six variations of pulls, right now, is giving me the strength building I'm looking for.
Event though I need to stop P90X (whole different topic), I'm still doing the Shoulders and Arms disk with dumbbells.
I'm doing several types of squats, lunges, and calf lifts. I think I need to add weight to these.
I'm also reading up on dead lifts and I have the starting dumbbell weight for that. I'll work my way up from there.0 -
I think Carl gets the gist of what I was looking for - thanks
Right now push ups and pull ups are extremely difficult for me. Actually I still can't to an unassisted pull up. Also can only do a handful of real push ups (not from knees). So, I think the three variations of push ups, and six variations of pulls, right now, is giving me the strength building I'm looking for.
Event though I need to stop P90X (whole different topic), I'm still doing the Shoulders and Arms disk with dumbbells.
I'm doing several types of squats, lunges, and calf lifts. I think I need to add weight to these.
I'm also reading up on dead lifts and I have the starting dumbbell weight for that. I'll work my way up from there.
A couple of variations of body weight or dumbbell squats that you could look into if you do not already do them are pistol squats, bulgarian split squats and goblet squats.
And pull ups are hard, especially for women so don't get discouraged.0 -
i always wondered what was meant by "heavy". It's a very subjective term.
heavy is relative to the lifter.
i like to go by certain bench marks.
Men:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
1x body weight for chest/bench press
Women:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
75%body weight for chest/bench press
Lifting heavy needs to be put into perspective of their experience, progression and, not as a percentage of body weight. It should relate to how many reps you can do to failure. Most of those percentages will put you into an intermediate or advanced lifter category.
According to this, I don't lift heavy for OHP as I can only do 60% of my body weight (assuming we are talking about 1RM) but I can deadlift over 250lb.
Also, the % make no sense anyway. Why are women the same as men for squats and bench and why is OHP = bench?
i got those numbers from here: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2012/02/23/a-newbies-guide-to-nerd-fitness/
i thought that the benchmarks given were a good guidline.
They are some guys idea of a 'spartan warrior' - that is all and have nothing to do with whether you are lifting heavy or not. I mean, one of them includes 'touch your toes'! They make no sense in the context of what 'heavy' lifting is. How can they possibly say, for example, that I am not 'lifting heavy' for OHP when I lift at the advanced status?. I would have to get into the elite status to apparently be considered lifting heavy. "Lifting heavy' should be related to how much you do to failure.
i saw the article, and it gave me some ideas about what would be some decent fitness benchmarks for myself.
but it doesn't fit everyone.
not everyone can touch their toes.
not everyone can squat their body weight.
i'm not trying to say that because you don't do an OHP at 75% of your body weight that you aren't lifting heavy.
someone previously also said that if they go by this list, their warm up lifts are heavy. for them heavy lifting is defined by i different standards.0 -
i always wondered what was meant by "heavy". It's a very subjective term.
heavy is relative to the lifter.
i like to go by certain bench marks.
Men:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
1x body weight for chest/bench press
Women:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
75%body weight for chest/bench press
Lifting heavy needs to be put into perspective of their experience, progression and, not as a percentage of body weight. It should relate to how many reps you can do to failure. Most of those percentages will put you into an intermediate or advanced lifter category.
According to this, I don't lift heavy for OHP as I can only do 60% of my body weight (assuming we are talking about 1RM) but I can deadlift over 250lb.
Also, the % make no sense anyway. Why are women the same as men for squats and bench and why is OHP = bench?
i got those numbers from here: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2012/02/23/a-newbies-guide-to-nerd-fitness/
i thought that the benchmarks given were a good guidline.
They are some guys idea of a 'spartan warrior' - that is all and have nothing to do with whether you are lifting heavy or not. I mean, one of them includes 'touch your toes'! They make no sense in the context of what 'heavy' lifting is. How can they possibly say, for example, that I am not 'lifting heavy' for OHP when I lift at the advanced status?. I would have to get into the elite status to apparently be considered lifting heavy. "Lifting heavy' should be related to how much you do to failure.
i saw the article, and it gave me some ideas about what would be some decent fitness benchmarks.
but it doesn't fit everyone.
not everyone can touch their toes.
not everyone can squat their body weight.
i'm not trying to say that because you don't do an OHP at 75% of your body weight that you aren't lifting heavy.
someone previously also said that if they go by this list, their warm up lifts are heavy. for them heavy lifting is defined by i different standards.
I agree that they are pretty good benchmarks, especially as they are based on body weight (although I still disagree with the OHP one being the same as bench for women) and are a good thing to strive for (and exceed). I actually like the fact that there are some non lifting or more conditioning benchmarks as well included in the list.
I was just trying to put it back into the context of 'lifting heavy' and to clarify that that people can be 'lifting heavy' even if they are not up to that progress level in case people read it to be a general definition of such.0 -
Since there are such good answers here... what is "classical compound 5 x 5 strength"? (Feel free to provide a good reference link instead of detail here, if you prefer.) Thanks in advance.0
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Since there are such good answers here... what is "classical compound 5 x 5 strength"? (Feel free to provide a good reference link instead of detail here, if you prefer.) Thanks in advance.
Basically it is 5 sets of 5 reps (plus warm up) of the following 5 compound lifts: squats, deadlifts, bench, rows (no always included) and OHP.
Stronglifts is the most common program: http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/0 -
Since there are such good answers here... what is "classical compound 5 x 5 strength"? (Feel free to provide a good reference link instead of detail here, if you prefer.) Thanks in advance.
Basically it is 5 sets of 5 reps (plus warm up) of the following 5 compound lifts: squats, deadlifts, bench, rows (no always included) and OHP.
Stronglifts is the most common program: http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/
Thanks Sara (assuming that's your name ) 0 -
A couple of variations of body weight or dumbbell squats that you could look into if you do not already do them are pistol squats, bulgarian split squats and goblet squats.
And pull ups are hard, especially for women so don't get discouraged
Some excellent variations there SaraUk.
Pistol squats can be made easier, weight and balance-wise by performing them in a doorway using the doorposts for extra balance and to take some of the weight.
I can't yet do a complete unassisted pullup. I am approaching these by hanging enough resistance bands off the pullup bar to equalise my body fat (28lbs) and dropping one knee through the loop to take some weight off. Then I plan to remove the bands one at a time until I can do unassisted pullups. My final set of pullups I do 5 negative reps - stand up on a chair, grab the bar and let yourself back down s-l-o-w-l-y I get about 4 seconds that way. Still no pullup yet but I always try to do one unassisted one at the beginning of my sets and each time I am closing towards the bar! Come on!!!!0 -
If I can do chin ups and pull ups and handstands am I lifting heavy? I can do pistol squats too, but much better on one side....must work on that.0
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