what exactly falls under "lifting"
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i always wondered what was meant by "heavy". It's a very subjective term.
heavy is relative to the lifter.
i like to go by certain bench marks.
Men:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
1x body weight for chest/bench press
Women:
1.5x body weight for a dead lift
1x body weight for a squat
75% body weight for over head press
75%body weight for chest/bench press
Lifting heavy needs to be put into perspective of their experience, progression and, not as a percentage of body weight. It should relate to how many reps you can do to failure. Most of those percentages will put you into an intermediate or advanced lifter category.
According to this, I don't lift heavy for OHP as I can only do 60% of my body weight (assuming we are talking about 1RM) but I can deadlift over 250lb.
Also, the % make no sense anyway. Why are women the same as men for squats and bench and why is OHP = bench?
i got those numbers from here: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2012/02/23/a-newbies-guide-to-nerd-fitness/
i thought that the benchmarks given were a good guidline.
They are some guys idea of a 'spartan warrior' - that is all and have nothing to do with whether you are lifting heavy or not. I mean, one of them includes 'touch your toes'! They make no sense in the context of what 'heavy' lifting is. How can they possibly say, for example, that I am not 'lifting heavy' for OHP when I lift at the advanced status?. I would have to get into the elite status to apparently be considered lifting heavy. "Lifting heavy' should be related to how much you do to failure.
i saw the article, and it gave me some ideas about what would be some decent fitness benchmarks.
but it doesn't fit everyone.
not everyone can touch their toes.
not everyone can squat their body weight.
i'm not trying to say that because you don't do an OHP at 75% of your body weight that you aren't lifting heavy.
someone previously also said that if they go by this list, their warm up lifts are heavy. for them heavy lifting is defined by i different standards.
I agree that they are pretty good benchmarks, especially as they are based on body weight (although I still disagree with the OHP one being the same as bench for women) and are a good thing to strive for (and exceed). I actually like the fact that there are some non lifting or more conditioning benchmarks as well included in the list.
I was just trying to put it back into the context of 'lifting heavy' and to clarify that that people can be 'lifting heavy' even if they are not up to that progress level in case people read it to be a general definition of such.
i'm sorry, i wasn't being clear in my initial post.
i was trying to show some goals to shoot for. a lot of people start on lifting without having a goal, or idea of what they should be progressing to.
the person that commented about their warm ups being heavy has progressed further than those initial bench marks. for them, a new goal might be to bench twice their body weight.0 -
If I can do chin ups and pull ups and handstands am I lifting heavy? I can do pistol squats too, but much better on one side....must work on that.
First - respect to you, being able to do all that! Want to swap bodies for a week?
Second, I think the general populus are saying to be "lifting" in this sense, you have to have a barbell or dumbbells in your hands, but surely - if you are pushing or pulling your whole body are you not "lifting"?0 -
If I can do chin ups and pull ups and handstands am I lifting heavy? I can do pistol squats too, but much better on one side....must work on that.
First - respect to you, being able to do all that! Want to swap bodies for a week?
Second, I think the general populus are saying to be "lifting" in this sense, you have to have a barbell or dumbbells in your hands, but surely - if you are pushing or pulling your whole body are you not "lifting"?
no.
lifting is strength training with barbells and dumb bells.
body weight work outs are generally known as calisthenics and/or gymnastics.
i am not saying one is better then the other. i do both.
i can do 6-8 dips with a 25lb weight hanging from a belt. but i can't do more then two dips on a pair of gymnastic rings.0 -
If I can do chin ups and pull ups and handstands am I lifting heavy? I can do pistol squats too, but much better on one side....must work on that.
First - respect to you, being able to do all that! Want to swap bodies for a week?
Second, I think the general populus are saying to be "lifting" in this sense, you have to have a barbell or dumbbells in your hands, but surely - if you are pushing or pulling your whole body are you not "lifting"?
Sometimes I wonder....I just go for functional performance instead of counting reps in a gym...I'd prefer being able to climb and play on a jungle gym and swim and so on... numbers bore me. Oh well, I'll do what I enjoy..
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If I can do chin ups and pull ups and handstands am I lifting heavy? I can do pistol squats too, but much better on one side....must work on that.
First - respect to you, being able to do all that! Want to swap bodies for a week?
Second, I think the general populus are saying to be "lifting" in this sense, you have to have a barbell or dumbbells in your hands, but surely - if you are pushing or pulling your whole body are you not "lifting"?
no.
lifting is strength training with barbells and dumb bells.
body weight work outs are generally known as calisthenics and/or gymnastics.
i am not saying one is better then the other. i do both.
i can do 6-8 dips with a 25lb weight hanging from a belt. but i can't do more then two dips on a pair of gymnastic rings.
I guess it depends on your goals. 0 -
If I can do chin ups and pull ups and handstands am I lifting heavy? I can do pistol squats too, but much better on one side....must work on that.
First - respect to you, being able to do all that! Want to swap bodies for a week?
Second, I think the general populus are saying to be "lifting" in this sense, you have to have a barbell or dumbbells in your hands, but surely - if you are pushing or pulling your whole body are you not "lifting"?
no.
lifting is strength training with barbells and dumb bells.
body weight work outs are generally known as calisthenics and/or gymnastics.
i am not saying one is better then the other. i do both.
i can do 6-8 dips with a 25lb weight hanging from a belt. but i can't do more then two dips on a pair of gymnastic rings.
I guess it depends on your goals.
agreed.
everyone's goals are different.0 -
- and what floats your boat
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I "lift" while I eat.
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yeah....I do what I enjoy, I just find it hard at times when weightlifters can't balance on one foot in tree pose.
I don't plan on encountering many that can do things like one armed planks -
I just enjoy doing the basics.
Lifter I am not, please do not trash me for what I like to do....0 -
Bodyweight moves can be considered "lifting" for a beginner, but "strength building" is all about...*drumroll*...getting stronger. So if you aren't adding resistance to these movements, then you aren't building strength.
I tend to agree with this.0 -
I think Carl gets the gist of what I was looking for - thanks
Right now push ups and pull ups are extremely difficult for me. Actually I still can't to an unassisted pull up. Also can only do a handful of real push ups (not from knees). So, I think the three variations of push ups, and six variations of pulls, right now, is giving me the strength building I'm looking for.
Event though I need to stop P90X (whole different topic), I'm still doing the Shoulders and Arms disk with dumbbells.
I'm doing several types of squats, lunges, and calf lifts. I think I need to add weight to these.
I'm also reading up on dead lifts and I have the starting dumbbell weight for that. I'll work my way up from there.
No, I think I got the gist of what you were looking for and exactly how this thread would go within a few minutes of your original post. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the little roadmap I laid out on page one is exactly how this thread went.0 -
weight·lift·ing
/ˈwātˌliftiNG/
Noun
The sport or activity of lifting barbells or other heavy weights.
"Heavy" refers to 8 or less reps on working sets, where working sets come close to failure at the end. It's not that deep.
ETA: Under certain circumstances, I can see the upper limit being 12ish reps. Just want to say that before people jump down my throat about the 8-12 rep range.0 -
Can we stop beating around the bush here?
Obviously you want us to tell you to go lift weights at the gym, and then you're going to come back and say how your regimen of calisthenics, bodyweight exercises and climbing are equal to or superior to going to the gym, and someone doing the same thing will come in and cosign and say it's more useful in everyday life, and then we'll go back and forth on it, and then someone will say that different people have different goals, and then CARLO5 will come in and ask if you've tried yoga, and then someone will call me an ignorant meathead.
So just tell us what you're doing so I can slam it and let's get this party started. I ain't got all day.
You are wrong - no-one has called you an ignorant meathead yet.....you ignorant meathead you
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yeah....I do what I enjoy, I just find it hard at times when weightlifters can't balance on one foot in tree pose.
I don't plan on encountering many that can do things like one armed planks -
I just enjoy doing the basics.
Lifter I am not, please do not trash me for what I like to do....
I am a lifter. I can split on both sides,tree pose,swing from monkey bars and deadlift 1.5x my bodyweight. Do what's fun for you.0 -
Can we stop beating around the bush here?
Obviously you want us to tell you to go lift weights at the gym, and then you're going to come back and say how your regimen of calisthenics, bodyweight exercises and climbing are equal to or superior to going to the gym, and someone doing the same thing will come in and cosign and say it's more useful in everyday life, and then we'll go back and forth on it, and then someone will say that different people have different goals, and then CARLO5 will come in and ask if you've tried yoga, and then someone will call me an ignorant meathead.
So just tell us what you're doing so I can slam it and let's get this party started. I ain't got all day.
You are wrong - no-one has called you an ignorant meathead yet.....you ignorant meathead you There, fixed it!
yeah Dave, be quiet. I can do more handstand pushups than you. I win. :P
and I'm only 107 pounds! I still win. If we are ever in jail together, you will be my b*tch.0 -
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I think Carl gets the gist of what I was looking for - thanks
Right now push ups and pull ups are extremely difficult for me. Actually I still can't to an unassisted pull up. Also can only do a handful of real push ups (not from knees). So, I think the three variations of push ups, and six variations of pulls, right now, is giving me the strength building I'm looking for.
Event though I need to stop P90X (whole different topic), I'm still doing the Shoulders and Arms disk with dumbbells.
I'm doing several types of squats, lunges, and calf lifts. I think I need to add weight to these.
I'm also reading up on dead lifts and I have the starting dumbbell weight for that. I'll work my way up from there.
No, I think I got the gist of what you were looking for and exactly how this thread would go within a few minutes of your original post. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the little roadmap I laid out on page one is exactly how this thread went.
You don't know me, what my intentions, goals, or motives, happen to be.
Why do you keep trying to instigate something?
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Bodyweight moves can be considered "lifting" for a beginner, but "strength building" is all about...*drumroll*...getting stronger. So if you aren't adding resistance to these movements, then you aren't building strength.
I tried explaining this to my dh today. He said he wanted to be stronger, but he's not interested in free weights. He can already do 100+ (fairly poor form) press-ups, so I think he's nearly exhausted that option, unless he plans on putting on weight...
[Sorry. Not read whole thread. Off to look back through to find out how wrong I am 0 -
Picking things up, and putting things down...0
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I consider it both. Pushups, pullups and the like in my eyes fall under lifting. It's just quicker to say "lifting" rather than "strength training" but definitely heavier than "toning".0
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cool...my warmup sets are "heavy"
Ha I thought the same thing!0 -
I would consider yoga, pilates, body weight, etc. to all be strength training, but I'd only count barbells, dumbbells and weight machines to be weight lifting.
Similarly, walking, biking, stairmaster and elliptical are all cardio, but only running is running. You're not running on an elliptical, you're... um... ellipticalling. 0 -
So machines are not considered lifting and def cannot be labeled as heavy lifting?
I guess it depends on the person. I can sit in any machine at my gym, put the peg on max, and rip out 30 reps per set. Well except one, we have one machine that says 400lb on a bench press, I can only do that 3-4 times per set.
Now take those same numbers and put them on a bar? No way. In many cases half the number that is on the machine. 225 is my working bench and 275 so far is my max. NOTHING like the machine.
Moving to iron over machines was a rude awakening, and was the beginning of truely getting fit.0 -
try weighttraining.com. They have different workout plans, some free, some pro. I'm doing free, beginner ones with resistance bands through there right now. It can get you started.0
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I think Carl gets the gist of what I was looking for - thanks
Right now push ups and pull ups are extremely difficult for me. Actually I still can't to an unassisted pull up. Also can only do a handful of real push ups (not from knees). So, I think the three variations of push ups, and six variations of pulls, right now, is giving me the strength building I'm looking for.
Event though I need to stop P90X (whole different topic), I'm still doing the Shoulders and Arms disk with dumbbells.
I'm doing several types of squats, lunges, and calf lifts. I think I need to add weight to these.
I'm also reading up on dead lifts and I have the starting dumbbell weight for that. I'll work my way up from there.
No, I think I got the gist of what you were looking for and exactly how this thread would go within a few minutes of your original post. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the little roadmap I laid out on page one is exactly how this thread went.
You don't know me, what my intentions, goals, or motives, happen to be.
Why do you keep trying to instigate something?
Go away
now i am missing something. what do your intentions, goals, or motives have to do with the definition of a word or term?0 -
Can we stop beating around the bush here?
Obviously you want us to tell you to go lift weights at the gym, and then you're going to come back and say how your regimen of calisthenics, bodyweight exercises and climbing are equal to or superior to going to the gym, and someone doing the same thing will come in and cosign and say it's more useful in everyday life, and then we'll go back and forth on it, and then someone will say that different people have different goals, and then CARLO5 will come in and ask if you've tried yoga, and then someone will call me an ignorant meathead.
So just tell us what you're doing so I can slam it and let's get this party started. I ain't got all day.
You are wrong - no-one has called you an ignorant meathead yet.....you ignorant meathead you There, fixed it!
yeah Dave, be quiet. I can do more handstand pushups than you. I win. :P
and I'm only 107 pounds! I still win. If we are ever in jail together, you will be my b*tch.
I'm totally your b!tch right now0 -
Thanks Sara (assuming that's your name )
That's just her stripper name. Only her true friends know her real name. Here's a hint: Her real name rhymes with a female body part0 -
Bodyweight moves can be considered "lifting" for a beginner, but "strength building" is all about...*drumroll*...getting stronger. So if you aren't adding resistance to these movements, then you aren't building strength.
I tried explaining this to my dh today. He said he wanted to be stronger, but he's not interested in free weights. He can already do 100+ (fairly poor form) press-ups, so I think he's nearly exhausted that option, unless he plans on putting on weight...
[Sorry. Not read whole thread. Off to look back through to find out how wrong I am
There's actually quite a few different modifications you can make to a pushup before you've exhausted the option. Change arm position, elevate feet, elevate feet with diamond-hands...etc etc etc. But the first step should be to cut WAY back on bad reps and do as many good-form reps as you can, and stop when your form fails. IMO bad form reps don't count as reps at all.0 -
I think Carl gets the gist of what I was looking for - thanks
Right now push ups and pull ups are extremely difficult for me. Actually I still can't to an unassisted pull up. Also can only do a handful of real push ups (not from knees). So, I think the three variations of push ups, and six variaitions of pulls, right now, is giving me the strength building I'm looking for.
Event though I need to stop P90X (whole different topic), I'm still doing the Shoulders and Arms disk with dumbbells.
I'm doing several types of squats, lunges, and calf lifts. I think I need to add weight to these.
I'm also reading up on dead lifts and I have the starting dumbbell weight for that. I'll work my way up from there.
No, I think I got the gist of what you were looking for and exactly how this thread would go within a few minutes of your original post. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the little roadmap I laid out on page one is exactly how this thread went.
You don't know me, what my intentions, goals, or motives, happen to be.
Why do you keep trying to instigate something?
Go away
now i am missing something. what do your intentions, goals, or motives have to do with the definition of a word or term?
All I wanted was to understand what fell into the definition. Yes, I am doing something different, but I have to ask questions in order to learn and understand what I might do differently.
Several people have provided valuable information and links, while you just troll the thread trying to act like you are special. Guess what, you are special, you've made the short list of folks around here that are likely pretty smart and know what they are talking about, yet nobody cares about because you are really a waste of our time.0
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