Paleo eating?
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I am just popping in to see if the poster who said that they maintain at a calorie deficit actually come back and explains such wizardry.0
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Coconuts, bunnies, and wizards.0
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I started eating this way just 3 months ago.
I initially had massive withdrawal symptoms in the 1st 2 weeks but after that I cant believe how better I have felt.
I have struggled with eating the wrong foods all my life but eating this way I have been able to maintain eating healthy foods.
The best part is Im down 27kg0 -
I am currently eating paleo as part of an experiment. Things I have noticed:
As someone with a family, career, and side business, there is absolutely no way I have time for all the cooking/food prep involved (I have two weeks off now, so have time to actually cook every meal, which is awesome).
The food I can make is awesome. I miss carbs, but am getting used to the Keto.
It is REALLY hard to eat at a surplus. I could easily eat 1500 cals per day and be sated. I think this is why many people who suck at self control, calorie tracking, and portion control start losing weight on this diet. I can down 3000 calories in a carb heavy meal, and have not been able to hit 3000 calories in a DAY on this diet, even doing things like adding ghee to my coffee etc.
I think most "paleo" people are pretty ignorant about both health/nutrition and about their own diet, but have met some who are extremely knowledgable.. I think the ignorant fanboys give the movement a bad rep.
Some things that I think are vital in recreating an ancestral lifestyle that are ignored by the paleo Taliban crown:
Intermittent fasting
Seasonally appropriate foods (i.e. eat foods that are locally available in your current season)
Climate exposure (sun/heat in summer, cold in winter... The affect metabolism significantly)
Seasonally appropriate Macronutrient intake (summer diet should include more carbs due to higher availability. Winter should be very low carb, rich in animal products, similar to what most people think of when they hear paleo).
I do not think paleo is necessary for exceptional health, just reasonable food intake, exercise, and low meal frequency/regular fasting. I think low-carb diets are overrated, and overused under the mistaken belief that low carb = low insulin. This is completely untrue, and insulin levels are easily controlled via regular fasting and low meal frequency. Also, even if protein produced 0 insulin, you would still get fat at a caloric surplus via the ASP pathway of lipogenesis.
I am trying paleo in the hopes that it will help with some nagging autoimmune issues, which, despite getting my HS CRP down under 1 with IF still seem to be an issue. Result so far have not been positive, but I intend to give it some time.
Edit: pardon typos. Typed on phone, too lazy to fix.
Well I agree with some of that and yes, I give thought to IF, practice it too, and seasonal foods (but I live in the Arctic, so that would mean pretty much ZERO plant foods, and I'm not willing to do that). I do a lot of research on health and back it up with how my body responds and by considering the experiences of others. I am NOT ignorant of how I eat.
"Paleo Taliban crowd"? Really? Funny how it's usually OUR lifestyle that gets attacked with a vengence. Do you see the title of the post? The OP ASKED for info from people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY TRIED this way of eating. It's like the notion of eating healthy food that excludes grain and legumes brings out religious fervor in others who have NOT ever tried this lifestyle. Who's acting like terrorists? (Which seems like quite the uncalled-for exaggeration.)
Newsflash: most of us are not trying to "recreate our ancestral lifestyle". We are choosing to eat foods that promote good health. Duh. Don't be freaked out about the fancy name. It's pretty simple.0 -
Yet another thread sacrificed by fire to Akimajuktuq, Lovecraftian God whose physical properties cannot be defined as she is not of this earth
Is that a compliment? LOL Granted, I am feeling pretty super-human these days; what with not being sick all the time from eating such healthy grains and legumes.
Nothing freaks me out more then when someone asks about a lifestyle and then those of us who know a bit about it come under fire by people who have never tried it.
And I'm bored.
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Paleo is not a diet. Please do some research (you might decide that eliminating grains is not for you) and then ask in the Paleo forum. Personally, I have had HUGE health benefits by changing my diet. But lots of people will come on here and trash talk it even though they have never tried it. For me it's about health and the weight loss is a nice side effect but not the primary purpose.
If it's not a diet then what is it?0 -
So uh, care to explain why you think you are a special snowflake? The statement was that a calorie deficit is needed to lose weight. You've now admitted that you eat a calorie deficit to lose weight. How exactly does the original statement not apply to you, seeing as it made no mention of any particular eating style, just that a calorie deficit is required, regardless of personal eating prefeerences?Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
So you're losing weight now, on Paleo, while also eating a calorie surplus?
Nope I eat in a calorie deficit because i no longer have UNCONTROLLABLE HUNGER, bingeing, chronic pain, fatigue, etc etc etc. Is it even possible to over eat on a ketogenic form of paleo/primal? Because as long as I keep my carbs low, I don't overeat, without even trying not to. Go figure. So, no, I can't stay in a calorie deficit when I am eating lots of unhealthy food. Imagine that.0 -
It is true that there exist both Paleo elitists, and anti-Paleo elitists. We like the happy medium.0
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Research and give it a try! It is possible! Lots of opinions but the only one that matters is yours!0
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Research and give it a try! It is possible! Lots of opinions but the only one that matters is yours!
And there is the best advice.0 -
And apparently some people like Paleo.0
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How does this effect you? Call it a diet, a lifestyle, a way of eating. Grab a thesaurus and have at it, what does it change?If it's not a diet then what is it?0 -
Eating a calorie deficit is good for weight loss
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If you think so, I suggest you do more research on the so called fat adaptation theory
And I encourage you to look into the energy expenditure difference in the same person who is in a carbohydrate rich diet vs someone who is three weeks into ketogenisis. I only know of one place and that's some guy at the eating academy. I have no clue if he is an LOL or legit but seems to have taken the time and got his own machine to measure vo2max in both states.
I would LOVE for a great semi conclusive study to be made that isn't biased, but for now, it really does seem to work for my snowflake. I have nothing else to ever add to it.
Carbohydrate rich? Is that like half your calories? More than half?0 -
How does this effect you? Call it a diet, a lifestyle, a way of eating. Grab a thesaurus and have at it, what does it change?If it's not a diet then what is it?
How does my asking the question effect you? She said it wasn't a diet. She did not say what it was.0 -
Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
Please enlighten us. Are you currently eating at a surplus and losing weight? Or do you just wave your magic wand and the lbs melt away?
Yup, that's exactly what I do. When one is no longer sick, it's amazing what can be achieved. Supernatural powers; at least against illness, obesity, and eating disorders. (did I say I am currently eating a surplus? Pretty sure that I claimed no such thing... love the lack of logic used to try to discredit others... LOL)
I am pretty sure the question mark at the end of "Are you currently eating at a surplus and losing weight?" means it was a question. My original post was also directed toward the person who actually created the thread so I'm not sure why you decided to answer about yourself seeing as I don't care about YOUR answer. I've seen you all over every paleo thread, I know your opinion on it. LOL. So I'm not sure where you're coming up with the "lack of logic" I used.
I was unaware that I am sick. I didn't know I has illness, obesity, and eating disorders. Learn something new every day. :flowerforyou:
I answered because I want to and because you are claiming someone's experience is false. I have similar experience, so I commented.
Yes, I do look at every Paleo thread THAT ASKS ABOUT PALEO/PRIMAL because I actually eat paleo/primal. Go figure.
Why do you respond to them?0 -
How does my asking the question effect you?
Touche sir!0 -
Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
So you're losing weight now, on Paleo, while also eating a calorie surplus?
Nope I eat in a calorie deficit because i no longer have UNCONTROLLABLE HUNGER, bingeing, chronic pain, fatigue, etc etc etc. Is it even possible to over eat on a ketogenic form of paleo/primal? Because as long as I keep my carbs low, I don't overeat, without even trying not to. Go figure. So, no, I can't stay in a calorie deficit when I am eating lots of unhealthy food. Imagine that.
So, when you were calorie counting and eating low-fat you were binging and eating a surplus and not losing, now you are not bingeing and are eating a deficit and are losing. That doesn't really = special.
You had cravings that you felt unable to control. Now you've found a way of eating that eliviates the need to control the cravings, which makes this diet a good fit for you.0 -
So, no, I can't stay in a calorie deficit when I am eating lots of unhealthy food. Imagine that.
Weird, cause a ton of people on this site manage to. Imagine that.
What does what others do have to do with what she can do?0 -
The paleo bashing is so annoying.. she didn't ask for articles or a debate, just for tips, ideas, and weight loss experiences. All these people bashing it probably have never tried it 100% for even 30 days... Let the people who are loving paleo and successful give her some answers .. Really she has nothing to lose for giving it a try.
This is why very few people who live the paleo LIFESTYLE (not diet) do not respond... as we are always bashed.. I lost 50 lbs tracking calories, and working out almost an hour and a half a day.. I could not even have one little cheat or I would gain.... losing the baby weight I decided I needed a change in my eating so switched to paleo, and it has changed my life 100% for the better ( i posted earlier all the non weight loss reasons)... I don't have to obsess over calories, and even if I cant work out (which I couldn't) , the weight still came off. Yes you can lose weight both ways as I did, but this was so much easier and the other benefits made this a better choice for me. I can eat this way forever (80/20 rule), I don't find it hard, or that I have to plan anymore than I did counting calories.
To the original poster- give it a try0 -
Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
So you're losing weight now, on Paleo, while also eating a calorie surplus?
Nope I eat in a calorie deficit because i no longer have UNCONTROLLABLE HUNGER, bingeing, chronic pain, fatigue, etc etc etc. Is it even possible to over eat on a ketogenic form of paleo/primal? Because as long as I keep my carbs low, I don't overeat, without even trying not to. Go figure. So, no, I can't stay in a calorie deficit when I am eating lots of unhealthy food. Imagine that.
So, when you were calorie counting and eating low-fat you were binging and eating a surplus and not losing, now you are not bingeing and are eating a deficit and are losing. That doesn't really = special.
You had cravings that you felt unable to control. Now you've found a way of eating that eliviates the need to control the cravings, which makes this diet a good fit for you.
I agree. I am not special at all. But some people want to call me a "special snowflake" and now I'm embracing the idea.
The bingeing and craving did not develop until after years of low fat/low calorie dieting. At times, in my youth, it seemed that I was being "successful" counting calories and portion controlling for short period of times. But over time, it damaged my health and I have done 20 years of personal experiments to explore what I eat versus exercise versus weight loss. No, I didn't "feel" unable to control cravings. I AM unable to control cravings when eat certain kinds of foods. It's not about control and lack of willpower, but nice try.
Nice passive aggressiveness, by the way. But if it makes you feel better to think that I choose this lifestyle due to my perceived lack of control, then so be it. :drinker:
Edit: I think that you weren't trying to be passive aggressive possibly, but you did make light of my experience and tried to attribute it to issues of control, or lack of. Craving, binging, depression etc are just as physiological as the other medical issues I have resolved. It's not psychological or merely a matter of willpower for me and many others. Really.0 -
Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
So you're losing weight now, on Paleo, while also eating a calorie surplus?
Nope I eat in a calorie deficit because i no longer have UNCONTROLLABLE HUNGER, bingeing, chronic pain, fatigue, etc etc etc. Is it even possible to over eat on a ketogenic form of paleo/primal? Because as long as I keep my carbs low, I don't overeat, without even trying not to. Go figure. So, no, I can't stay in a calorie deficit when I am eating lots of unhealthy food. Imagine that.
So, when you were calorie counting and eating low-fat you were binging and eating a surplus and not losing, now you are not bingeing and are eating a deficit and are losing. That doesn't really = special.
You had cravings that you felt unable to control. Now you've found a way of eating that eliviates the need to control the cravings, which makes this diet a good fit for you.
I agree. I am not special at all. But some people want to call me a "special snowflake" and now I'm embracing the idea.
The bingeing and craving did not develop until after years of low fat/low calorie dieting. At times, in my youth, it seemed that I was being "successful" counting calories and portion controlling for short period of times. But over time, it damaged my health and I have done 20 years of personal experiments to explore what I eat versus exercise versus weight loss. No, I didn't "feel" unable to control cravings. I AM unable to control cravings when eat certain kinds of foods. It's not about control and lack of willpower, but nice try.
Nice passive aggressiveness, by the way. But if it makes you feel better to think that I choose this lifestyle due to my perceived lack of control, then so be it. :drinker:
Edit: I think that you weren't trying to be passive aggressive possibly, but you did make light of my experience and tried to attribute it to issues of control, or lack of. Craving, binging, depression etc are just as physiological as the other medical issues I have resolved. It's not psychological or merely a matter of willpower for me and many others. Really.
I was not trying to be passive aggressive. But I do not believe there is any such thing as an uncontrollable craving. Sometimes when there is a bag of Cheetos around, I am not able to control my urge to eat the whole bag. But this is purely my lack of sef control. Were I physically restrained and unable to eat the Cheetos, I would suffer no ill effects, other than mood and possibly hunger (if I were really hungry at the time). And I don't believe you would have with whatever you were craving either. There was nothing physically forcing food into your mouth just because you craved it.
That is not meant to be agressive, passively or not. Most people who have had a weight problem at some time have food weeknesses. Some are stronger than others. But the fact that you did at some point stop eating these things pretty much proves that you could.0 -
I found this BBC documentary about low carb dieting on Youtube. It mainly comments on the Atkins diet and looks into the 'eat as much as you like' part of the diet. The "disappearing calories' everyone is on about. They researched the metabolic increase idea- not the answer, the ketones lost in urine idea- not the answer.
They compared reduced calorie diets against Atkins- Atkins won hands down to their surprise.
Then they repeated this, but this time all food eaten had to be logged. It turns out that if both groups ate the same number of calories per day weight loss was the same for both groups.
It seems that although Atkins has no restrictions on the amount of food you eat, it in itself is self limiting as the high protein is more filling so you eat less calories, as you feel full quicker.
Anyway the link is below, I am no expert in all of this so see for yourselves and see what you think.
It comes in 6 parts if I remember rightly.
BBC Story about Low Carb Dieting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_wxJageqw 0 -
Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
So you're losing weight now, on Paleo, while also eating a calorie surplus?
Nope I eat in a calorie deficit because i no longer have UNCONTROLLABLE HUNGER, bingeing, chronic pain, fatigue, etc etc etc. Is it even possible to over eat on a ketogenic form of paleo/primal? Because as long as I keep my carbs low, I don't overeat, without even trying not to. Go figure. So, no, I can't stay in a calorie deficit when I am eating lots of unhealthy food. Imagine that.
So, when you were calorie counting and eating low-fat you were binging and eating a surplus and not losing, now you are not bingeing and are eating a deficit and are losing. That doesn't really = special.
You had cravings that you felt unable to control. Now you've found a way of eating that eliviates the need to control the cravings, which makes this diet a good fit for you.
I agree. I am not special at all. But some people want to call me a "special snowflake" and now I'm embracing the idea.
The bingeing and craving did not develop until after years of low fat/low calorie dieting. At times, in my youth, it seemed that I was being "successful" counting calories and portion controlling for short period of times. But over time, it damaged my health and I have done 20 years of personal experiments to explore what I eat versus exercise versus weight loss. No, I didn't "feel" unable to control cravings. I AM unable to control cravings when eat certain kinds of foods. It's not about control and lack of willpower, but nice try.
Nice passive aggressiveness, by the way. But if it makes you feel better to think that I choose this lifestyle due to my perceived lack of control, then so be it. :drinker:
Edit: I think that you weren't trying to be passive aggressive possibly, but you did make light of my experience and tried to attribute it to issues of control, or lack of. Craving, binging, depression etc are just as physiological as the other medical issues I have resolved. It's not psychological or merely a matter of willpower for me and many others. Really.
I was not trying to be passive aggressive. But I do not believe there is any such thing as an uncontrollable craving. Sometimes when there is a bag of Cheetos around, I am not able to control my urge to eat the whole bag. But this is purely my lack of sef control. Were I physically restrained and unable to eat the Cheetos, I would suffer no ill effects, other than mood and possibly hunger (if I were really hungry at the time). And I don't believe you would have with whatever you were craving either. There was nothing physically forcing food into your mouth just because you craved it.
That is not meant to be agressive, passively or not. Most people who have had a weight problem at some time have food weeknesses. Some are stronger than others. But the fact that you did at some point stop eating these things pretty much proves that you could.
You are not accepting that my experience is my experience. I'm not talking about "normal" craving and bingeing is never normal. It has nothing to do with willpower. This is why I comment on paleo/primal threads, because I have experience with this lifestyle (more primal at the moment) and because many paleo/primal experts, including some doctors, have actually explained why over-eating is NOT just willpower or lack of, but physiological. Fine if many people don't agree, but this thread asked for opinions from people who have experience with this lifestyle. It would be great if people who think it is stupid, a fad, dangerous, or whatever, based on no first-hand experience would go amuse themselves with posts that fit with their own philosophies.0 -
You are not accepting that my experience is my experience.
I can accept that your experience has hijacked almost every thread I've seen on the primal/paleo lifestyle0 -
Reading this thread has been interesting and has given me something to do to pass the afternoon away at work. I did want to add one thing.
Weight loss happens by a caloric deficit and that is a fact. Eating and overeating are different for different people and for those of us who struggle with it, it is an emotional issue. For some people, when you tell them they are restricted to a certain number of calories they feel deprived and cannot stick to it, so if say you can eat whatever you want as long as you stick to this list, emotionally they can handle it. For others, if you say you cannot eat certain things to them, it makes them feel deprived and thus a low carb diet may not work for them. When you eat Paleo , you are in essence cutting out entire food groups and as a result creating a caloric deficit. Either way, you will eventually lose weight.
My point is, do whatever works for you and don't judge others for what they choose to do.0 -
Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
You are indeed a special snowflake if you think the energy balance equations don't apply to you.
What do you think your body burns in the place of calories?0 -
Eating a calorie deficit is good for weight loss
^^ This is the only way to lose weight.
Paleo is a lifestyle. You can eat at a deficit and lose weight while eating Paleo. Or you can eat too many calories and gain while eating Paleo. Or you can eat maintenance and maintain while eating Paleo.
If you like it and find it's something you can stick with, go for it. You will need to cook.0 -
This is why I comment on paleo/primal threads, because I have experience with this lifestyle (more primal at the moment) and because many paleo/primal experts, including some doctors, have actually explained why over-eating is NOT just willpower or lack of, but physiological.
Hmmm doing a quick search, I've found no recorded cases of food jumping into someone's mouth that caused them to become overweight, nor any cases of a food taking over your body and forcing you to eat more food against your will. So overeating is lack of self control/will power, there are some exceptions like binge eating disorder which is a mental disorder0 -
Excuses, vitriol, and lack of personal accountability (I CANNOT resist the evil carb mind control rays! It is not a willpower issue!)Eating a calorie deficit DOES NOT work for everyone!! Been doing that for years and I haven't lost a pound
This is false. You are not a special snowflake. Calorie deficit = weight loss. You are making a miscalculation somewhere.
Yes, I am a "special snowflake", by your standards, and so are other people that have experienced the same health improvements from a paleo/primal lifestyle. Stick to what YOU know. I did many years of low fat calorie counting and in return, I developed a body that became very effecient at NOT burning calories.
You are indeed a special snowflake if you think the energy balance equations don't apply to you.
What do you think your body burns in the place of calories?
The combination seems to generate a large quantity of calories from the ether for many people.0
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